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Visting University Of North Dakota..On United!  
User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

Greetings!
After my last college trip(to Embry-Riddle Prescott) 3 weeks ago, I had decided to visit University of North Dakota Grand Forks(UND) with my dad to see the campus and (mainly) their aviation program. We flew out from Boston to Fargo(1hr south of Grand Forks) on United on February 7th via ORD, returning yesterday, February 9th via DEN. Due to the high airfares(400+) we used our miles.

Now on to the trip report....

My dad an I got to Logan around 4:30AM after driving through an hour of wet snow and slippery roads. After parking at the garage, we walked over to C and arrived at a near empty UA counter. With no bags to check, we used the kiosk to check in and then got breakfast at Dunkin Donuts. After having my bag searched at security(toothpaste set it off), we proceeded to gate C12 which was 5 feet from the checkpoint. Our 737 was there luckily and around 5:15 the gate agent arrived and offered to sell an Economy plus seat for $29 which I declined. $15-$20 would be more reasonable for such a short flight.
UA A320

February 7th, 2008
United Airlines #525
Boeing 737-300(no reg # sorry, couldn't see it)
Depart: 6:05AM EST
Actual: 5:58AM
Arrival: 7:52AM CST
Actual: 7:26AM
Seat: 15A

Boarding began at 5:35AM and about 2 minutes later, I was walking down the jetbridge to the awaiting 737. One thing which annoys me about the UA 737s is the asle width. I could not get my rollaboard(which fit in a 757) down the asle so I had to shuffle sideways until I got to my seat. It wasn't a full flight, so boarding didn't take long. Channel 9 was on for this flight, so I was happy. We pushed back early and taxiied out to runway 15L. Sorry, no pictures, during taxi, it was dark and sleeting. We rocketed down 15R rotating within about 5000ft. We climbed to FL360 with a flight time of 2hrs 20minutes. Inflight service consisted of a beverage and biscoff snacks(I love those things).


Climbing out...

Cruise...

Descent....


We were ordered by ATC to descend somewere over michigan, and started our approach to 22R. We landed 15 minutes later and taxxied to B12.

UA 735 and 767

I was able to get a flight deck shot in as well..


Overall(out of 100)
Check-in/Boarding: 20(simple, fast, efficient)
On-Time: 20(early getting in)
In-flight: 16(service was standard)
Comfort/Amenities/IFE: 18(pillows and blankets and Channel 9 all a plus, the seat was ok)
Cabin Crew: 14(ok, but not great)

Total: 88/100=88% B+

After arriving in ORD we took the shuttle over to the E/F gates which were a madhouse. Our departure gate(F1) was mobbed with people. UA should really add more seating as there were probably only 50-60 seats, with 3 flight departing F1 within 30 minutes of one another caused people to sit on the floor. Luckily we found an empty CO gate for my dad to sit and rest, while I went off spotting.
AmEagle ERJ

CO Express ERJ and JetBlue A320

"Blue Skies Ahead"

NWA DC-9

After spotting, we went over to F1(which had cleared up a bit) to wait for our flight to Fargo. About 10 minutes later, boarding was called and we walked down the stairs and crossed the ramp to the remote stand where our CRJ was waiting.

February 7th 2008
United Airlines #6015 operated by SkyWest N980SW
Bombardier CRJ-200
Depart: 9:50AM
Actual: 10:10AM CST
Arrival: 11:49AM
Actual: 11:55AM CST
Seat 8A(exit)

There were only 19 people aboard(including myself and my dad) so boarding was quick. We had to wait 20 minutes to get deiced and once that was over, we pushed back and taxiied out to runway 32 for an intersection departure. After wating for a 747 to take off, we roared down the runway and took off within 4000ft and climbed up to 35000ft. In-flight service began shortly after. An hour later, we descended and then landed on Fargo's runway 36. We then taxiied into the gate and disembarked into the 19 degree weather.
UA 744 and ANA 777-300




Fargo...

Pulling in next to a G4 MD-80



Overall(out of 100)
Check-in/Boarding: 15(quick, but kinda chaotic)
On-Time: 17(late getting out, but not too late getting in)
In-flight: 16(service was standard)
Comfort/Amenities/IFE: 18
Cabin Crew: 18

Total: 92/100=92% A-

A few minutes after getting off the plane, we proceeded to the Alamo rental car counter, and 5 minutes later, we were enoute to Grand Forks.
The flattest area I've been through...



An hour later, we arrived at the Hilton Garden Inn, convienently connected to UND's aviation department via skywalk(or gerbil tube as UND calls it).


After resting for an hour, we drove around Grand Forks to get a sense of the area, and then had dinner at Boston's, which was pretty good for a chain-like restaurant.
The next morning, we woke up around 10:30 and had a quick breakfast at the hotel. After that we drove over to the campus visit office for the 12PM tour, then the 2:30PM aviation department tour.
UND Campus pictures.






Aviation Department.

Altitude Chamber, where they practice rapid decompression.







The tour got over at 6PM, by which time my dad and I were both hungry and had dinner at a place called Whitey's in East Grand Forks, MN(across the river from Grand Forks, ND) which was pretty good. We drove around for a bit, then went back to the hotel. The next morning, we woke up around 9AM and had breakfast. By the time we got on the road back to Fargo, the winds had picked up, and snow was blowing everywere. The ride down to Fargo was, well, an experience, with visiblity at times close to zero, it got pretty crazy.
Sundog...

Driving to Fargo...



We finally got to the Fargo airport by 11:15AM, about 1hr before our flight. Check-in took about 2 minutes and security took only 5 minutes. I was able to do a bit of spotting while waiting for my flight.
NWA CRJ-200.

Our CRJ arriving from ORD, late..


We were called to board about 15 minutes after our scheduled boarding time..

February 9th, 2008
United Airlines #5849 operated by SkyWest N941SW
Bombardier CRJ-200
Depart: 12:25PM
Actual: 12:45PM CST
Arrive: 1:22PM MST
Actual: 1:40PM MST
Seat 8D(Exit)

There was about 46 people on this flight, so boarding took a bit longer than the last flight. We taxxied out quickly to runway 36, then took off and rotated within 3500ft(I'm assuming due to strong headwinds). It was a very fast climb and about 15 minutes later, service began.



We began descending into DEN 45minutes after the service ended, and landed on runway 26. Taxi in was rather long, and finally we made it to B86 about 20 minutes late. I was able to get a flight deck picture as well. Big grin

Me.



Overall(out of 100)
Check-in/Boarding: 17
On-Time: 17(late getting out, but not too late getting in)
In-flight: 19(2 beverage services)
Comfort/Amenities/IFE: 18
Cabin Crew: 18

Total: 89/100=89% B+

After having lunch, I had about 90minutes to spot..

Lynx Q400s

Great Lakes Embraer 120 and Beech 1900D


Frontier A319


After spotting, I went to the gate only to find my flight to BOS was delayed for about an hour, due to the aircraft being late. Around 3:30 the aircraft arrived and the passengers disembarked. At about 4PM we were called to board the awaiting 757.


United A319

Republic E170 in the Republic house colors. Sorry for the bad quality, it was really far away and even with my 12X zoom this was the best I could do.

NWA A319

Delta 757-200



February 9th, 2008
United Airlines #354
Boeing 757-200 (No reg sorry)
Depart: 3:35PM
Acutal: 4:28PM MST
Arrive: 9:19PM
Actual: 9:50PM EST
Seat 33A

Due to this not being a full flight(75%in econ is my best guess), the boarding process was relativly quick. However, we had to wait for the bags to be loaded which took about 10 minutes. We finally pushed back and taxiied to 34R. We rocketed down the runway and lifted off in about 6000ft. We climbed up to 39000ft. In-flight service began about 20 minutes after takeoff, which consisted of the BOB snackboxes(I got ritebite, which had tuna, crackers, cheese, chocolate, raisins and hummus, it was pretty good actually) and a beverage service.

Contrail from our aircraft.

Wing

We started to descend around 9:20PM and landed on runway 22R at Boston. We taxiied into one of the C gates(It was the one with the flag on it) and since I had no checked bags, my dad and I went right to the car, and were home by 10:45PM.

Overall(out of 100)
Check-in/Boarding: 18
On-Time: 16
In-flight: 18
Comfort/Amenities/IFE: 20(row to myself)
Cabin Crew: 18

Total: 90/100=90% A-

The entire trip went very well. I was highly impressed by UND's aviation program, it seems like a top notch program. The campus is nice, however the weather is crap compared to Embry-Riddle Prescott, AZ. UND remains one of my top choices for colleges though. I will be visiting Embry-Riddle Daytona Beach, FL next wendsday(the 20th), and will write a trip report on that as well.

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User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8798 times:

Great report, loved all the pics. If you can handle the weather it's a good place to be, but if you can't, ER is probably ok too (but a heck of a lot more $$!). Would be cool to have another a.netter here though! And yeah, people always talk about their cheap airfares (99$ transcon!), when I'm dishing out 560$ a pop between home and school. Give us some love!!


Airport Management - UND
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8539 times:
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You are correct about the weather. It sucks! But on the other hand, I think UND is more bang for the buck than Riddle. I looked at UND myself, but ended up in Mankato, MN. Good thing about weather that sucks is that you'll get real IFR time.


911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8528 times:

That was a great TR! I loved the pics of UND! As a current student-but on internship in Aspen for OO, this made me miss the place! Being biased of course I say go for UND (only us and a couple others have Glass Warriors...), but where ever you choose good luck!


Don't you want to hang out and waste your life with us?
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Thread starter):
had dinner at a place called Whitey's in East Grand Forks, MN(across the river from Grand Forks, ND) which was pretty good

It used to be an old Al Capone hideout more or less. A lot of operations ran through here in Grand Forks.

Should have came next weekend and got tickets to the hockey games.

There is one thing that I learned, don't go to a school just for nice weather. A group I was with was just down at ATL and they have more respect for those who don't fly in fair weather all the time. I don't fly anymore, im a marketing major and have a lot of good friends from Embry. But again, just don't pick a school because the weather is always going to be sunny and 75. Oh, and when you get back... let me know if you also think the same of ERAU Daytona, it didn't feel like a campus whatsoever when I was there this summer.

[Edited 2008-02-11 08:20:06]


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2298 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8276 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
You are correct about the weather. It sucks! But on the other hand, I think UND is more bang for the buck than Riddle.

I agree there.

Clint



"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney
User currently offlineRcardinale From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

Great trip report! I was supposed to go to Daytona next week also but DL's loads are very heavy for the week so I won't be able to non rev. Cant wait for the next TR keep em comin!

User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8176 times:

ever thought about Purdue?

Purdue's got an amazing Flight program too! Class D 727 simulator, you get to fly a King Air for 15 hours, Warriors, Arrows, Seminoles.

You should consider Purdue too and its a pretty high ranked aeronautical engineering school!

Tim



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8157 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Good thing about weather that sucks is that you'll get real IFR time.

Actually, for most of the year you won't. It may be cloudy, but it's cold, and the clouds have ice in them, and you don't have de-icing equipment in a little training plane. No go.

I had many instrument flights cancelled at UND due to icy clouds, which was frustrating as all hell.

That said, the program at UND is damn good. The only reason I'd take ERAU over UND is if you can't stand living in the middle of nowhere.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

I really enjoyed your trip report, thank you! Wow that place looks cold. I love those shots during deep deep winter that almost look like someone's used the 'desaturate' adjustment in Photoshop.  Smile

Good luck with your studies!

-Chris


User currently offlineASE747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

GO SIOUX GO

Great report. It's nice to see pictures of my old stomping grounds.

Forever Fighting Sioux!!!!



What's our vector, Victor?
User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7892 times:

Nice trip report!

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
The only reason I'd take ERAU over UND is if you can't stand living in the middle of nowhere.

...and have an aversion towards women.  Wink

I never made it up to UND, it was far and pretty darn expensive to get there. UND really seems to have a well respected and very well run aviation program. I'd definitely give them a good hard though.

Enjoy the Riddle Daytona "campus" /office park/airport industrial area. I honestly wasn't too impressed when I visited.

Checko



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Nice report! Excellent flying weather!
I'd like to point out that the plane @ DEN that you identified as an A319 is in fact an A320, as evident by the two overwing exits.



DH3 DH4 CR1 CR2 CR7 CR9 F70 732 733 734 73G 738 752 762 763 772 742 743 319 320 321 333 343
User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Thanks guys!!

Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 7):
ever thought about Purdue?

Purdue's got an amazing Flight program too! Class D 727 simulator, you get to fly a King Air for 15 hours, Warriors, Arrows, Seminoles.

I looked into them, but it looks like engineering only, not the type of flight program I'm looking for.

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 12):
I'd like to point out that the plane @ DEN that you identified as an A319 is in fact an A320, as evident by the two overwing exits.

Whoops, my bad. I sometimes confuse those two.


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Nice trip report. Was good to read about domestic service. I am surprised you didn't take the $29 upgrade to prem y. I've only flown E+ on UA on the 777 in 2002/3 but it was a lot better than Y and the flight was +2 hours so i think it would have been well worthwhile.

Chris



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

Great report. My advice, save money as much as you can, learn something other than Aviation. Those pics of UND were great but you don't need any of that to get into that CRJ you were in. If you're looking for a particular flight academy, look for places in CA. You'll get plenty of actual without the worry of icing, and plenty of variety of weather/scenery. AZ is mostly VFR weather and it's hot.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7445 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Thread starter):
February 9th, 2008
United Airlines #354
Boeing 757-200 (No reg sorry)
Depart: 3:35PM
Acutal: 4:28PM MST
Arrive: 9:19PM
Actual: 9:50PM EST
Seat 33A

You flew with N565UA



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7396 times:

What was the temperature in Fargo and GFK?

User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7383 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):
What was the temperature in Fargo and GFK?

The first few days it was in the upper teens to 20s during the day, single digits at night. The day we left it was -8 and windchill of -35.


User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7301 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 13):

I looked into them, but it looks like engineering only, not the type of flight program I'm looking for.

are you kidding me? they have a fleet of 13 warriors, 4 arrows, 2 seminoles, 1 beechjet, 2 king airs and 1 decatholon and 1 727 Class D Simualtor and you say they dont have an aviation program? yeah their engineering school is good but they do have an aviation program JUST LIKE ERAU and UND, first year Private, Second year Insturment Commercial, thrida year MEL, fourth year frozen ATP. graduate with 250+ hours and if youre CFI 400+ hours...

what type of flight programme are you looking for their system is just like UND and ERAU....

http://www.tech.purdue.edu/at/academics/undergraduate/flt_pos.cfm

tim



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7206 times:



Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 19):
are you kidding me? they have a fleet of 13 warriors, 4 arrows, 2 seminoles, 1 beechjet, 2 king airs and 1 decatholon and 1 727 Class D Simualtor and you say they dont have an aviation program

The beechjet isn't used for student training, they only allow something around 70 students into their flying school. Also if one or two or Purdue's planes goes in for maint its a nightmare.

UND has over 80 aircraft at their Grand Forks campus, with another 25 or so spread out through the other flight schools they have (North Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota (2), and Williston) if only a few go down here its not a big deal for the warriors and arrows anyway. Siminoles are another story. UND is also getting I believe 5-6 jet aircraft here soon, but obviously not for students to fly because insurance reasons.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineEbs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Ive also been looking into UND. The only turn off I had was that its in the middle of nowhere as others have said. How easy/hard is it to commute back and forth? I live just south of Chicago and I wouldn't mind going somewhere warm I would able to use my moms flight benefits. Now I know my education is more important than the climate I want to be in...
How does it compare in terms of price to Embry Riddle ? Great pics by the way



Viva la Vida
User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 21):
Ive also been looking into UND. The only turn off I had was that its in the middle of nowhere as others have said. How easy/hard is it to commute back and forth? I live just south of Chicago and I wouldn't mind going somewhere warm I would able to use my moms flight benefits. Now I know my education is more important than the climate I want to be in...
How does it compare in terms of price to Embry Riddle ? Great pics by the way

You can fly out of GFK which has NW to MSP , however they can be expensive from what i've heard. FAR is an hour to the south. They have UA to ORD and DEN, F9(starts in may) to DEN, NW to MSP, DL to SLC and G4(Allegiant) to IWA(Phoenix's other airport) and LAS. FAR is cheaper from what i've heard. I flew on a UA mileage plus award to FAR because i didn't want to pay $350+ for a ticket.

ERAU is more expensive in tuition, 26K as opposed to 20K. Flight costs are about the same. Plus UND has twice as many girls as ERAU(48% as opposed to 24%)  Wink

[Edited 2008-02-15 16:04:38]

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7111 times:
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Another thing to keep in mind also is looking into regular universities that offer an aviation program. I went to Minnesota State University and had a great time. Mankato is a great little town, and I kinda miss living there. Also, MSU has an agreement with Mesaba, letting you interview with Mesaba upon graduation. You also get to fly something other than a Piper Warrior as MSU uses the Diamond DA20 for training.


911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7083 times:



Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 21):
How easy/hard is it to commute back and forth?

Not hard, since there are direct flights from FAR to ORD. But you will pay a price for it - the airlines know that you're pretty much at their mercy in the Upper Midwest, and they charge accordingly.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 22):
FAR is cheaper from what i've heard.

Sometimes is, sometimes isn't.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 Post contains images Mkeflyer717 : Nice report and pictures! I was accepted to UND, Purdue, and ERAU (Daytona). Never actually toured UND but I did for the other two. It was a tough dec
26 Ebs757 : Does anyone know how southerns aviation program compares to UND and ERAU?
27 CaptainTim : the beechjet is flown by a select group of studnets, 12 studnets a year are allowed to fly the beechjet, they are flown to Flight Safety for a SIC ty
28 Burnsie28 : Its not in the middle of no where, there are about 95,000 people in the Grand Forks area. Its no Chicago but its not in the middle of no where. There
29 AndyinPIT : Great TR. Have you ever thought about going to CCBC for aviation? It's got a great program (I'm in ATC) and A. it will get you done in 2 years versus
30 Post contains links Je89_w : Nice trip report! Yeah, that's what I've heard, unfortunately. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Riddle+Vision UND huh? If you want bette
31 LGAtoIND : Actually, I am a current student here at the Aviation Technology department at Purdue. We have exactly the same type of flight program that they have
32 Mir : Which is about the same percentage as UND's, to be honest. -Mir
33 Burnsie28 : Not if your on the main part of campus, the aviation buildings of course its like that.
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