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VS 744 In Y & AF 343 In J - Trip To CDG W/ Pix  
User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Background:

One of my best friend lives in Paris and he's been bugging me to come visit him for quite some time. About 4 weeks ago I decided that I'd use Easter weekend to go see him plus take one day off work to make it a solid 4-day weekend. Since I work for the airlines, airfare wasn't a problem. I purchased tickets on Air France, British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, hoping that I wouldn't get stuck among all the Easter travellers.

Intended routing: SFO - CDG - SFO
Actual routing: SFO-LHR-CDG-SFO

Flight # 1
SFO-LHR
Virgin Atlantic VS020
Boeing 747-400 / REG # G-VHOT
STD: 1825 PUSH: 1819 TAKEOFF: 1838 TOUCHDOWN: 1038 ARRIVAL: 1121

SFO INTL TERMINAL

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SFO INTL


Our 744 to LHR
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VS744


I arrived at SFO via BART and proceeded directly to the VS check in counters. The international terminal at SFO is just beautiful. Very nicely laid out and everything is very easy to find with monitors everywhere. Check in was very fast and the staff were very helpful and curteous even though they recognized me as an employee of one of their rivals. To my surprise, I received a boarding pass right away - and it wasn't even a middle seat! Off to a pretty good start. I had checked the loads prior to leaving for the airport and AF looked terrible as did BA. VS was leaving at a convenient time because I could work a full day and still catch the flight. I had always wanted to try VS for their AVOD system!

SFO INTL is very neat because the layout is so that the boarding gates are actually downstairs in relation to where all the shops are and where people walk. I think this is a really neat layout because it really helps with controlling the amount of people in ther terminal. If you've ever been to Philly airport, you'll know what I'm talking about - its usually mobbed with people hanging around their gates. SFO Int'l is really nice because you don't have that - the main walkway is reserved for shoppers and people in transit to their gates. Here's kind of an example:

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SFO INTL


Boarding commenced early and everyone was on board and ready to go about 20 mins prior to scheduled departure. We ended up pushing back from the gate a good 6 minutes early but then suffered along taxi from the A concourse of the INTL Terminal to RWY 28R. Long takeoff roll and rotated into the San Francisco twilight just about 18:38 local time.

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VS744


Space isn't plentiful - as you'd expect in economy but VS' AVOD system totally makes up for it. I had nobody sitting next to me which was ideal because I found the seats quite narrow. I'm not sure if they're any narrower compared to other carriers but for some reason it felt extra narrow. Anyway, I was so busy with VPORT that it didn't even really bother me. VPORT really is great - not only is everything on demand but for geography geeks like me, it has an interactive moving map so you can follow the plane - zoom in and out as you want and see information about altitude, heading, winds, temp, etc.. I think most INTL carriers have the moving map but I don't know of any other than VS that have the "interactive" feature. Very cool indeed!

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VS


Food onboard VS was pretty average in my opinion. I had some pretty average beef with mashed potatoes and gravy and all it did was remind me of what airplane food is really like. I've had very few GREAT meals aboard airplanes - mainly because most U.S. domestic carriers don't even offer hot meals anymore. If they have meals at all, you have to pay $5 or even now $7 for a cold, not-so-tasty sandwich. I haven't been on an INTL flight in quite some time so it didn't bother me that he food wasn't great - I was just happy to actually be served something hot aboard an airplane! Anyway, I spent most of the flight using VPORT and taking snoozes. I watched "30 Days of Night", a documentary called "Fear of Flying" which I found pretty neat because it had cockpit views and stuff... plus I was curious as to how they'd try to convince someone that flying is VERY safe! By the time I had finished one movie and three documentaries, the flight was somewhere over greenland and just about halfway to Heathrow.

One thing I noticed about VS staff is they are extremely anal about keeping the floor area clean. I know that it is a safety hazard to have bags/trash/ etc laying around on the floor prior to landing, but I had at least 4 different flight attendants tell me to move my stuff. I had a small bag that I carry my book in, a pillow and a blanket on the seat next to me and I was told I couldn't even have it there... It wasn't just one F/A walking up and down the aisles, it was like 4-5 of them and they'd say conflicting things to me.. One said I could have my bag there and one said no, etc.. Anyway, I thought it was a bit annoying.

The only other thing that kinda bothered me about VS is they turned off VPORT at the top of descent. I understand they don't want people being distracted on landing etc but they could have at least kept the interactive map on so we could see the route for arrival into Heathrow. We ended up circling for quite some time and it woulda been nice to see where we were...Heathrow apparently was real busy when we arrived at 11 a.m so we circled for a good 20 minutes before continuing to final. Entered the HOLD at 10:38 and touchdown was at 11:05. The landing was absolutely HORRIBLE by the way.. It was extremely windy at Heathrow and it was one of those landings where it wasn't straight at all so they had to correct with the nosegear. It almost felt like we were gonan skid off the runway for a few seconds before the captain straightened her out and put us on the taxiway en route to T-3. When we arrived at T-3, the SQ A380 was actually occupying our gate so we had to wait a few minutes b/c of our early arrival. It was amazing seeing the A380 at LHR!! I wasn't able to get a picture b/c I was seated in the center section of a 3-4-3 config and everyone was crowding around the windows to check out the 380.



Heathrow was just as hectic as it usually is. I didn't get on the first flight to Paris so I ended up waiting at heathrow from 11:20 to 16:00 when BA 316 pushed off the gate en route to CDG.

FLIGHT # 2
LHR-CDG
British Airways BA316
Airbus A-319 REG # G-EUPS
STD: 15:15 PUSH: 16:00 TAKEOFF: 16:25 TOUCHDOWN: 18:09 ARRIVAL: 18:17

I can't wait for BA to open T-5 in just a few short days. Heathrow is a clutter **** and is just sooo annoying to transfer through. I had to go from T-3 to T-4 and it took me well over an hour (I know it can take MUCH longer). The security line for T-4 was short but there was only one x-ray machine being manned and they were taking their jolly good time getting people through. Anyway, after taking a bus and gettin through security, I got my standby boarding pass to CDG and headed up to check out the heavies - most of them heading off to North America.

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LHR


When BA 316 FINALLY boarded, some 30 minutes after scheduled departure, I realized I had the last row, middle seat.. great.. I guess I can't complain though since I was on standby. At least I got to sit next to two very interesting people, one from Greece and one from Lebanon. Had some good conversation on the quick hop across the English channel and northern France. Flight time from T/O to T/D was only 44 minutes - real nice.

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A319 BA


I can't say enough bad things about Charles De Gaulle airport in Paris. EVERY time i've gone there, there has been mass chaos and just absolute anarchy among the people. Our flight disembarked and of course I was the last one off the plane, but it took about 20x as long as it should have because the CDG airport staff couldn't get the jet-bridge onto the plane for some reason. They had to call an engineer to fix it and we sat there aboard the hot airbus for about 20 mins. Once off the plane, the line for passport control was the size of the entire plane because they had ONE person checking passports. Even though it didnt' seem like he was even looking at the passports, it took a good long time considering he had to get through some 100+ passports for already irate passengers. More ranting about CDG in a bit...

FLIGHT # 3
Paris CDG - San Francisco SFO
Air France AF084
Airbus A-340-300 REG # F-GLZN
STD: 10:15 PUSH: 10:25 TAKEOFF: 10:41 TOUCHDOWN: 13:53 ARRIVAL: 14:05

CDG Airport is worse than Heathrow. MUCH worse. I proceeded to terminal 2E (which is supposedly the nice* terminal). In fact, the facilities are quite nice but the operational aspect of things is just a disaster. After trying to find what area my flight to SFO was checking in at, there were like 4 different queues for who the heck knows. I had to ask what the queues were for from the people standing in them and they didn't even know!! Finally, I realized the right line to be in wasn't even a line, it was a glob of people pushing towards one AF employee who was supposedly checking passports. He wasn't checking passports in fact, he was just standing there making sure people don't fill in too quickly into the self service kiosks. After being told to use the kiosk, it wasn't working and I knew it wouldn't because I have a staff ticket. You have to physically check in to get a staff standby card as they have to check your documents, tickets etc....Anyway, for some crazy reason the check in counters were roped off and there was a mob of people trying to get through to the check in agent because it seemed like none of the kiosks were working correctly. The AF agent had no clue what she was doing as she was sending people to check in agents and the agents would refuse the people b/c they weren't in the right line... ughh.. It took over 90 minutes for me to check in AND I didn't have any baggage. If I had had luggage, I should've made a 180 and gone back to my friends house because the line for baggage was at least an hour long ( who knows why ) and that woulda made me miss the flight (I arrived over 2:30 hours ahead of flight dept time).

That was the worst part, passport control and getting to the gate was indeed annoying but it was manageable. Security was strange - they designated cetain lines by certain colours and the agent in charge of putting people in specific lines had decided to go on break or something, so there were a bunch of asian people holding up the line questioning what the colours meant... at this point was about to throw something at someone....

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CDG


I finally got to the gate and asked for a boarding card but was told to wait as they'd issue me a baording card in 20 minutes time. I took some pics of the AF airbus that we were about to board:

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AF343


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Boarding was fine and I boarded last as I've leart that this gives the highest chance for an upgrade. I proceeded to the check in desk and two men were standing there looking real grumpy. I asked for my boarding card and they gave me something wayyy in the back. I asked if there was any space up front and they didn't answer me, so I went to the lady who was collecting boarding passes. She had previously told me that Economy was full and Business was half full, so I'd have a good chance for an upg. I asked her for the upg but she told me "maybe onboard". I was one of the last people on board and made casual convo with the cabin crew and subsequently the captain. I was very surprised that they were excited to see me when I told them I work for one of their competitors!!! The captain and I talked about ATC for a few mins then he gave me a tour of the A343 cockpit!


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343


I was thrilled to see the cockpit! The crew proceeded with their briefing and didn't even mind me standing there taking pictures. Real cool of them! The cabin services director then advised me to "follow her" and she directed me to seat 01E. I was very happy that she was so nice to give me a complimentary boost up to biz. I made myself comfortable and was real proud of myself for charming the crew and using my knowledge of airlines to my advantage to get me the upgrade. Keep in mind I paid FAR LESS than anyone on board that flight, that's for sure. (ZED ZM)

J cabin on AF was great - they have pretty much lie-flat seats and have comfortable pillows. I had the first row so nobody in front - which was great. I couldn't believe my luck, a 11 hour flight back to SFO and I was deathly tired - nothing better than being boosted up to J so I could sleep!

I ended up sleeping for a good 5 hours. Didn't make much use of the AVOD system as I found it somewhat difficult to work. I think my handset was worn out or something. I did manage to watch half ot he movie Juno, which I had previously seen anyway.

Meals were very poor in my opinion. They served two meals, one an hour after dept. and one an hour before arrival. The menu looked real nice but the food was far from average. I was very disappointed in the food. You would think a French airline would pride themselves in serving good food... Not the case. The chicken was very mediocre, vegetables soggy and the pototes dry and tastless. The only good part of the meal was the wine and the cheese. I would've given it a 1/10 if it weren't fo rthe wine & cheese.

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Second meal was just as bad. It was some real tough lamb with again, tastless and dry potatoes with some tomatoes with fried something on top. I managed to eat half of it before then again ordering wine & cheese - which kept me going for the last leg of the flight.

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Sorry for the bad quality in pictures. I didn't want to use flash as it would bother people and I don't have a great camera. I think you get the gist on most of the pictures though.

Overall, Air France had an extremely friendly crew, great seat, great service. The food was quite honestly bad (the food I had on VS was better - and that was in economy). The ground staff at CDG were downright abysmal, but the cabin crew made up for their misfortunes. Because I was upgraded and treated so well by the cabin crew, I will definitely fly AF again.


...you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you shall return
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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

What an absolute wonderful trip report Magnus!!!! I have to say I am ooo soo jealous of your travels. CDG sucks because it is manned by French who are pretty much worthless, but moving onto better things. You have an astounding VS 744 picture that I would die to go on. What do you think personally can be done to make the food better on the AF flights? Keep up the good work and make another trip report on your travels to Southeast Asia this summer with fellow member Slovacek747. Have a good ne mate!

User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8578 times:



Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 1):
What do you think personally can be done to make the food better on the AF flights?

Increase the quality of food? Hell man, I'm no catering expert so you got me on that one but if the likes of CX, BA, TG can provide their customers with great food, I'm sure AF can too. Perhaps I got a bad batch of food but if not they need to get a new catering company.



...you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you shall return
User currently offlineB707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Thanks for a great report. I see things haven't changed on AF J since I worked for them and was on it all the time! I always prefered DL over the water, still do. It's sad because when AF is good, they're very good, but so often the ground/check-in experience and CDG is a nightmare. I really don't understand how a somewhat new terminal can be so difficult. I've never, and I've been through Paris a lot, had an easy trip through. And let's not even talk about connecting and the lost bag stories.

The old addage of Air Chance, sadly fits. You can hit a great crew and great meal or you get it bad both ways. I find LH a far better experience. I've lately connected through FRA, another airport I'm not crazy about, to stay with LH, over AF. Oh, I'm not a huge BA fan either! LOL But am raising faith that T-5 will be the proverbial answer to all things icky at Heathrow.

As to your upgrade, that's one thing I"ll say for AF. Before I worked for them, back in the 70's, I worked for AA and once, on a morning CDG-JFK flight which was empty, I was comfortable in 3 seats at the rear feeling content i'd lay down when the F/A came to me and asked me to collect my bags. I figured TWA cancelled and I was being thrown off. Turns out, as I passed the curtain, the Chef du Cabine was standing there, threw the curtain closed and said, "Monsieur, we would like you to fly First Class with us today." I was dumbfounded and delighted. To say the least, that 707 ride was one of two AF trans atlantic trips in "F" that I'll never forget. Though the AF Service Plus French guy sitting next to me complained they sat a non rev next to him. They moved me one row back, still in F, which was better!

I left the aircraft with champaign, chocolates and all sorts of gifts. IT was ironic I ended up working for them some 4 years later.


User currently offlineThomsonfly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 229 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7999 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
a pillow and a blanket on the seat next to me

Often pax don't see this as a problem but it's a trip hazard as well as a flying object through the cabin in an emergency! Moving these underneath the seat infront just minimises the chance of it causing obstruction should something go wrong. I'm forever telling passengers to do things we have ALREADY asked them to do in a PA eg put pillows and blankets under seats (that includes the empty one next to you), make sure bag is FULLY underneath the seat infront, no headset or laptop leads trailing, tables up, seats back, windowblind FULLY up, armrest down oh the list goes on and on, but if passengers done this when asked the 'disturbance'
wouldn't go on!!! You'd be supprised at how many px challenge us too, act dumb or think they know better, who's done the safety training on VS pax or crew?!?!?!

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
One said I could have my bag there and one said no

If numerous crew distrupted you about this bag, did you ever move it? If by random off-chance one said it was 'ok' (which if left would have been picked up by the flight service manager on their final checks and moved anyway, and the crew member appropiate performance monitoring to be reflected accordingly under safety, which is a no-go area!) it should have only took one more crew member asking you to stow it? why four or five? We were shown a video in cabin safety highlighting the cabin environment regarding 'clutter' at different stages of the flight and the impact it could have if something went wrong so it's not being 'anal' it's us doing our job according to the rules VS state, and can take time if like I said pax don't follow the PA's! and is taken so seriously onboard management check it.

Regarding your top of decent switch off of the avod system, there is just a PA at top of decent. The cabin at that point is 'pre-prepared' for decent and subsuquently landing. The avod system is turned off when we collect headsets at seat belt sign (20,000ft and 15mins after top of decent pa) at which point you could be on the ground in minutes or nearly an hour depending on traffic. my last flight went straight into heathrow giving crew minimum time from seat belt signs to our double ding which is the signal for us to have had the cabin secure and take our seats. This unpredictability means we have to switch off the avod system (which on our ac unfortuantly includes the map but does mean everyone is aware of landing just in case of emergency) when we do.

I love passengers, its why I work with them but sometimes I do wish more of them had something inbetween their ears. Blankets over their head for take off, sitting on crew jump seats, feet on the escape slide bustle, trays infront of doors, infants nowhere near a seatbelt when signs are on, kids running through galleys (one tried to get in the cart lift of a 747 the other day!), pax asking why they can't smoke, ipods playing on take off - it goes on but its a tin full of fuel at the end of the day and we along with pax are responsibly for safety so we do things we are trained to upkeep this so if ever told by a crew member to do something, just help us guys and do it!

Sorry to rant! Glad you had a nice flight overall.


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

Yea, it just seemed bad that many of the crew were asking us to do the same thing multiple times. One crewmember didn't budge when I left my blanket/pillow in the saet next to me, and the next one told me to put it under the seat, then the next one told me to put it in the overhead compartment... It was just a bit irritating having so many people tell me to do different things. If it was consistent, it wouldn't have been so annoying.

Wish the map wasn't connected to AVOD - its nice being able to see where you are, especially on approach.

Overall VS is great, as I advised  Smile



...you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you shall return
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7411 times:
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Nice report, enjoyed the read, thanks.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
To my surprise, I received a boarding pass right away - and it wasn't even a middle seat!

- Nice, seems like an quiet flight.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
One thing I noticed about VS staff is they are extremely anal about keeping the floor area clean. I know that it is a safety hazard to have bags/trash/ etc laying around on the floor prior to landing, but I had at least 4 different flight attendants tell me to move my stuff. I had a small bag that I carry my book in, a pillow and a blanket on the seat next to me and I was told I couldn't even have it there... It wasn't just one F/A walking up and down the aisles, it was like 4-5 of them and they'd say conflicting things to me.. One said I could have my bag there and one said no, etc.. Anyway, I thought it was a bit annoying.

- Interesting, never had this issue before.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
I can't say enough bad things about Charles De Gaulle airport in Paris

- Yep, a real nasty airport, hate using it, even the lounges are rubbish.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
I was very surprised that they were excited to see me when I told them I work for one of their competitors!!! The captain and I talked about ATC for a few mins then he gave me a tour of the A343 cockpit!

- Now that is cool.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
The chicken was very mediocre, vegetables soggy and the pototes dry and tastless.

- Not sure what that picture is of, but it's not an impressive looking meal at all.

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7347 times:



Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 1):
CDG sucks because it is manned by French who are pretty much worthless

Pretty contraversial statement! I'm not saying I disagree but I dont think you'll be too popular (well I know one person who will support you)



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27033 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7303 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
CDG Airport is worse than Heathrow. MUCH worse

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Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
They served two meals, one an hour after dept. and one an hour before arrival. The menu looked real nice but the food was far from average. I was very disappointed in the food. You would think a French airline would pride themselves in serving good food... Not the case. The chicken was very mediocre, vegetables soggy

Very bad to hear that AF dont have good food in J class. If you paid a few thousand the least you can expect is a decent meal.....

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
The ground staff at CDG were downright abysmal


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Very nice TR and pics , great to see a true and real account of your trip.... tell it like it is thats my motto !!!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Great TR

The pics are really good.

Glad that you got upgraded to J.

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
but I don't know of any other than VS that have the "interactive" feature

I know that SQ have something similar.



Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

The food in economy on AF is great. Interesting that it was so bad in C. I heard that the seats on VS economy are very tight with legroom.

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