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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi, this is my first trip report for quite some time so I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the trip.

For some background, I’ve been wanting to visit South America for a while so with 2 bank holidays in a week and 4 days off work I managed to find 10 days to jet off to Santiago, Buenos Aires and Rio de Janeiro. Due to the high prices to South America from the UK I decided to cash in some of my many bmi miles for a first class award. I booked 2 one way tickets for 25,000 miles + £170 cash each which I think is pretty good value for F class. My routing on the outbound was ZRH-SCL on LX (with brief stop in GRU) with a stopover in Santiago, then SCL-EZE on AC. My return award ticket was SCL-GRU on LX with a stopover in GRU (from where I made a side trip to Rio into SDU) and then from GRU-MUC-LHR on LH.

Anyway, on with the show. I’ve decided to focus mainly on the photos rather than words because that’s mainly what I focus on when I read trip reports. This report is just part 1, focusing on the trip from ZRH-SCL-EZE. I will make a separate report for the other legs of the trip when I get more time.

ZRH-GRU // LX96 // A340-313X // HB-JME // Seat 2K
Load in F: 8/8 (100%)

I arrived in ZRH about 2.5 hours before the flight after a 1.5 hour BA delay (as usual) from LGW so lucky I factored in plenty of time. I checked in online to ensure I got my favourite pre-reserved seat (2K) but went to the first class island to drop my bag which was a breeze. After check-in I went straight to the new F class lounge, which whilst comfortable was nothing special. There was the option to have a proper sit sown meal in the lounge but I opted to eat on board.


Boarding pass

The flight departed from the E pier and I was given a chauffer drive from the lounge over to the E gates. I didn’t really see the point as they just drop you off at the security check point then you are on your own. Not like in FRA where they drive you to the aircraft. Anyhow I chose this option over the train just coz it is different.

Boarding was quick and I was soon being welcomed on board. All boarding was through door 2L (for some reason the jetway to 1L was not attached). I was greeted by name and told to cross the aisle and turn left. On doing so I was shouted at by another FA to turn right. Not a good start. Maybe because I am relatively young looking and wearing jeans she thought I was in Y. I didn’t respond and just carried on towards the first class cabin whilst I could hear the FA who greeted me at the door correcting her colleague. However it got better and I was soon welcomed to my seat and offered a drink. I was also brought a snack but it contained meat so as a vegetarian I refused it and they brought me some warm nuts instead (but I don’t like nuts!!). I had ordered a vegetarian meal and to the crew’s credit meat was not thrust in my face for the remainder of the flight.

Pushback was around 10 minutes late and we were soon heading towards runway 34 in a convoy with 2 other A340s heading to JNB and HKG. After watching the other 2 blast off we lined up on the runway and then held there for an eternity. Eventually the captain made an announcement that the wind had changed and as we were at our MTOW (The flight was 100% full I think) we were awaiting instruction from ATC as to whether we would have to change runway. After about 5 more minutes though (and around 20 actually waiting on the runway itself) the engines spooled up and we were on our way taking off on runway 34. The take off roll was VERY long and looking out of the window there wasn’t much runway left when we parted with the ground. The climb was pretty bumpy as the weather wasn’t great and obviously very slow (which is why I love the A343 so much).

The Swiss service on the first sector to GRU was very good but all a bit awkward and over fussy in an attempt to seem as posh as possible. Even though the crew had established I was an English speaker each member of crew started talking to me in German first (you would think they would have a list in the galley of which language each pax prefers to be greeted in after the initial introductions). I decided to stay awake for the meal service and watched the excellent movie “Juno” before going to bed. I was given a menu even though I had ordered a special meal as it contained the wine list, although I never drink alcohol when I fly. Good job I ordered a veggie meal as all the options on the menu were meaty. Meal service was very slow with a full cabin. I actually don’t know what I had for dinner and neither did the FA but he just described it as a rice dish so I will leave it at that. This rice dish was preceded by salad and followed by Swiss cheeses. After watching Juno I went to the bathroom to change into my own pyjamas (this trip was a matter of days before Swiss finally introduced PJs in F). Other amenities provided included a Bally amenity kit and slippers. On my way to the loo I gave the nod to the FA and when I returned my bed was made up (I wish this happened at home!)


Amenities

I must say the Swiss F class bed is the most comfortable I have tried and I actually managed to get some sleep which is very rare for me even in F or C class. I must have got around 5 hours actual sleep and didn’t wake up until around 1.5 hours before landing in GRU.

On waking there was a queue for the bathroom (there is only 1 in the F cabin!) so lay in bed watching the air show until it was free. I again gave the FA the nod on my way to change and my bed was back in seat config and made up for breakfast when I returned. I had a cheese omelette which was very nice. It wasn’t long before the coast of Brazil came into view and we started our decent into GRU. As we got closer the cloud got thicker and as we began our approach it was raining quite heavily. Regardless touchdown was quite smooth, although the taxiways in GRU probably need resurfacing as it was very bumpy on the way to the stand.

Pax travelling on to SCL were asked to remain on board during the 45 minutes on the ground and as everyone disembarked it became clear I was the only F pax going on to SCL. There is a crew change at GRU with the crew on this trip stopping 1 night in GRU before doing a return to SCL next day, stopping again overnight in GRU before heading back to ZRH. During the stop in GRU I took advantage of the empty cabin to take some photos


My Seat (2K)


F Cabin


Mini C Cabin

Once the new crew boarded they welcomed me and chatted to me about the flight from ZRH and they told me the weather in Santiago was much better than Sao Paulo. When boarding recommenced I was joined by 2 other pax who I think were connecting from the LH FRA flight. Looking at how many people came on board at GRU it seems LX doesn’t do too badly on this sector.

GRU-SCL // LX96 // A340-313X // HB-JME // Seat 2K
Load in F: 3/8 (38%)

I wasn’t sure what time we were supposed to leave GRU but I got the feeling we were running late and I later found out we left GRU 30 minutes late, probably due to our delay in ZRH. Once we had pushed off the stand we taxied very quickly to the runway and there were no queues for take off so we were soon rolling. This time we took off pretty quickly and climb rate was clearly improved with our lighter fuel and pax load.


Take off from GRU

Flying time to SCL was around 3:50. Having watched a movie on the first sector I didn’t have the attention span to watch another so just watched a few episodes of the Simpsons and Joey and watched the air show and aircraft cameras. Service on this leg was much more relaxed and the crew seemed less formal and more willing to chat and have a laugh, probably because all 3 pax seemed to be vacationers rather than biz people as opposed to the flight to GRU.


Another cabin view once we were in the air

Drinks were obviously on demand and my water glass was always kept topped up, facilitating several trips to the toilet. Lunch was salad, cheese and another omelette.


Lunch salad (the table is huge!)

I was especially looking forward to this leg of the flight as it would mean flying over Los Andes on the decent to SCL, something I have always wanted to do. As a result of my excitement the flight dragged on a bit with pretty boring scenery until the last 30 minutes of the flight. Doing my research for the flight I was informed that the best side of the aircraft to sit is the right side. However as we set out over the mountains the captain announced we would be making an approach into SCL from the North and those on the left will get a great view of Mt Aconcagua. Unfortunately the other 2 pax were occupying seats 1A and 2A so I couldn’t swap. However as we flew over the mountains the captain kept the seat belt sign off and the pax in 2A didn’t mind me taking photos through her window.


Shot out of the left hand window


Flying past Aconcagua we were so close it looked like we were going to hit it!

The captain did a pretty good job of commentating on the views and the cabin crew were pretty excited by the views as both those working the F cabin got their cameras out and started taking pictures along with all 3 of us pax. I was chatting with one of the crew on arrival and she said she doesn’t get to work SCL very often so it is good for them when they get to fly in on a clear day like today. She was also disappointed that they don’t overnight in SCL as it would be preferable to GRU.


The views are so good even the FAs got their cameras out!

After those shots I went back to my seat and the views from the other side were great as well. I was so glad the weather was clear as I’ve seen some great photos on a.net from people taking this flight was wanted to get some good photos myself. It is very strange too that in the middle of a mountain range we are actually descending for SCL.


Crossing Los Andes – The views from my window weren’t bad either


Getting closer to SCL

Once the flightseeing was over the Captain made another announcement to say he hoped we enjoyed the breathtaking views and he switched the seatbelt sign on in preparation for landing. Coming into SCL the views of the green fields and mountains surrounding Santiago were also quite impressive.


A few minutes from touchdown in SCL

Touchdown was again smooth and before long we were on our stand, parked next to an AF 772. We disembarked through a jetway, although I ended up behind a lot of pax as I was chatting to the FA.


We parked next to the AF 772 which flies non-stop from CDG

Immigration was quick with no flights in front of us and I was soon waiting for by bag and ready to step out into South America for the first time. Quite interesting that after immigration on the way to baggage claim you have to walk through the duty free shop, a pretty good trick and one I’m surprised BAA haven’t picked up on yet. The bags took a while and the priority tag didn’t seem to work but I didn’t mind. Just to say that Santiago de Chile is a great place to spend time and I’ll definitely be back for more.

SCL-EZE // AC92 // B767-333ER // C-FMWU // Seat 4A
Load in J: 17/24 (71%)

My brief stay in Santiago soon passed and I was back at SCL ready to complete my outbound ticket to EZE. As Air Canada do not have F class I had to travel in business class for this final leg. Check-in was quick and I was given my boarding pass and an invitation to the American Airlines Admirals Club.


AC Boarding pass SCL-EZE

After getting my exit stamp and going through security you are again deposited in the duty free shop, rather like getting off a ride at Disneyland. After a quick tour of the terminal I headed to the lounge to catch up on emails and just chill out prior to departure.

My entry and exit stamp from Chile

The SCL Admirals club is surprisingly large although didn’t offer much in the way of food or snacks other than a fruit cocktail and some crackers. Drinks selection was ok though but I just had a Pepsi and some questionable orange juice.


A pretty empty Admirals Club

I was pretty early checking in so spent around 90 minutes in the lounge. They had copies of American Way (3 different issues) and the Iberia inflight mag so I read through them and took them with me as a souvenir (I’m a bit of a collector of inflight mags).

Before boarding was announced in the lounge I left for a final wander around the terminal and to look at the aircraft. It is interesting to see how many aircraft are parked up during the day and there were several LAN widebodies and at least 1 AA 767 parked up for the day in distance.


LAN 763 at SCL

As this was a short day flight I was hoping for the old AC business class configuration with the single A seat, which is what showed on the seat maps leading up to the flight. For this reason I pre-reserved 4A. I really dislike the herringbone seats for daytime flights as it is difficult to look out of the window and I find them generally less comfortable than conventional seats. The only time they are better is at night when you want to sleep. I knew the SCL route was going to be one of the last 767 routes to get the XM treatment so had my fingers crossed for the old config. However on boarding as I approached the door I could see the blue seat coverings on the crew seat and knew I was on an XM plane which was soon confirmed. However it wasn’t the end of the world and I know these equipment swaps can happen. Luckily the positioning of the window in 4A isn’t too bad and made viewing/photography not too strenuous.

The load in J was pretty impressive and I think there were only 7 free seats so I guess AC doesn’t do too badly from this extension to the flight, particularly as check-in at SCL was quite busy suggesting plenty of people just flying this leg as a stand alone rather than coming from YYZ. Makes me wonder why AA parks aircraft at SCL for the day instead of flying them somewhere else. However AA already fly direct to EZE from the USA so that wouldn’t really work I don’t think.

Boarding was completed and we pushed back slightly ahead of schedule. The crew gave the safety demo manually using a voice recording. When it got to the life vest part the voice carried on but the crew stopped doing the demo and looked at their colleague to stop the tape. He did and apologised and explained that the life vest section is not required for this flight. I thought they may as well have carried on as just because you are not planning to fly over water doesn’t mean you won’t be if something goes wrong.

Yet another smooth take off and I got a great view of the airport terminal. I could also see the city of Santiago de Chile as we climbed out but it wasn’t very clear through the layer of smog which was visible.


Terminal view on take off from SCL

I was hoping for more great views of the Andes but after the spectacular arrival into SCL the departure was an anti-climax and the views were nothing really special. About 20 minutes in the entertainment was switched on and I realised that AC still haven’t got the map function working yet. Not as it turned out was any programme I wanted to watch. Wasn’t a problem on such a short flight though.

A cold lunch was served about 40 minutes into the flight. My vegetarian meal was a salad with some fruit and bread. Service wasn’t great and contrasting this with the LX flight it was easy to see what you get for the extra money flying First.


Vegetarian meal in AC J SCL-EZE

After lunch I filled out the overly complicated Argentine entry forms and played with the seat a little bit, bringing it to the fully reclined position to test comfort for any potential long haul flight I might consider taking with AC up front. Comparing it with the VS J seat, the AC seat is more comfortable in the seated position as there are more recline options as the VS seat folds over to create a bed meaning limited recline positions when upright. However for sleeping the VS seat is much more comfortable and seems more roomy.


Chilling out in the AC J Seat

Before long we were descending into EZE and I have to say that from the view out of the window I could have been in England, it is so green. As it wasn’t very interesting I didn’t take any photos on approach and we were soon touching down very smoothly on a very clear and hot day. Taxiing in I could see quite a few AA/CO/DL aircraft parked up for the day and it was almost like being in the USA. However I wasn’t, I was in Argentina for the first time and I really enjoyed it.

Hope you enjoyed this trip report and I will try to do a report on the rest of my trip soon, including CGH-SDU-CGH with GOL and TAM with spectacular approach over Rio and SCL-GRU-MUC-LHR with LX/LH in F.

Thanks for reading  Smile


Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Good TR.........excellent views an approach to SCL

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great Report!! do you some more pictures of the LX first class food ??

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
When boarding recommenced I was joined by 2 other pax who I think were connecting from the LH FRA flight. Looking at how many people came on board at GRU it seems LX doesn’t do too badly on this sector.

maybe also local traffic, as I understand LX has 5th freedom between GRU and SCL



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice TR! A first TR in F, now that is a what to call a good TR debut!
The first TR on LX First Class that I've read so far.
Would have been nice with some pics of the F food, but hey, i shouldn't complain since it's your TR  Wink.
I'm really looking forward to part 2 and thank you for sharing.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks you for the excellent report and for confirming the excellent results of LX in its operations in GRU.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
ZRH-GRU // LX96 // A340-313X // HB-JME // Seat 2K
Load in F: 8/8 (100%)

Very impressive loads in F.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
Even though the crew had established I was an English speaker each member of crew started talking to me in German first (you would think they would have a list in the galley of which language each pax prefers to be greeted in after the initial introductions).

You made an important point here. Do you know whether LX crew could also make annoucement and speak Portuguese?

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
watched the excellent movie “Juno” before going to bed

Honestly, I really didnt like this boring movie.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
I must say the Swiss F class bed is the most comfortable I have tried

You have to try AF new F seats, it is excellent.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
Regardless touchdown was quite smooth, although the taxiways in GRU probably need resurfacing as it was very bumpy on the way to the stand.

They are renovating/repaving the runaway in GRU.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
Pax travelling on to SCL were asked to remain on board during the 45 minutes on the ground and as everyone disembarked it became clear I was the only F pax going on to SCL

Again, it shows that LX could well operate GRU dedicated. GRU got upgraded last year from 6 x week to daily, and is one of the few remaining intercontinental destinations of LX.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
Looking at how many people came on board at GRU it seems LX doesn’t do too badly on this sector.

SCL-GRU traffic is strong, with very good yields and loads. If my memory does not fail, there are about 8 daily SCL-GRU flights.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
She was also disappointed that they don’t overnight in SCL as it would be preferable to GRU.

This is questionable. Many would prefer the night of Sao Paulo over the tranquilty of SCL. It will certainly depend on the age of the crew member.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
ope you enjoyed this trip report and I will try to do a report on the rest of my trip soon, including CGH-SDU-CGH with GOL and TAM with spectacular approach over Rio

You are right, in my opinion the landing in both SDU and SCL are the two best landings I have ever experienced. SDU airport just got renovated and it is a very shiny, modern, glassy airport; enjoy!

Rgs,


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 3):
Would have been nice with some pics of the F food, but hey, i shouldn't complain since it's your TR

Yeh, I did intend to take more food shots then I kept eating the food before I remembered to take photos and you don't want to see photos of half eaten food!!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
maybe also local traffic, as I understand LX has 5th freedom between GRU and SCL

Yes there were lots of people boarding in GRU and it looked like Y loads were pretty good.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
You made an important point here. Do you know whether LX crew could also make annoucement and speak Portuguese?

All anouncements were made in German and English (including from the flightdeck) and some also in French and Portugese and later Spanish on the second leg. So they did have at least 1 Portugese-speaking crew member.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
This is questionable. Many would prefer the night of Sao Paulo over the tranquilty of SCL. It will certainly depend on the age of the crew member.

The crew were quite old so maybe they prefer tranquility  Wink Anyhow Santiago is anything but tranquil if you know where to go and it is a safer city to be wandering around as well (IMO)

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
You are right, in my opinion the landing in both SDU and SCL are the two best landings I have ever experienced. SDU airport just got renovated and it is a very shiny, modern, glassy airport; enjoy!

Yes both airports were fantastic to arrive/depart. The new terminal at SDU is nice but it means you can't board via stairs as I believe you used to do.



Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

wow great report! and u got a 25000mile one way F class award? AMAZING! with 25000 in the us u get a round trip domestic Y class. one of my favorite reports keep up the great work!!!

User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

First off, I started reading your report and as soon as I heard about how you got the tickets, I first have to ask how. I just flew CO from EWR-HKG-EWR in F one way and Y the other. I purchased a discount Y fare and I had to use 25,000 miles each way plus 450$ to upgrade from discount Y each way. I did not get the upgrade on the way back, hence I did not use the miles. But how did you get an award ticket with 25,000 miles and 170 pounds (whatever amount that is worth to you because I only price things in USD) without paying some type of Y fare? I know all airlines work differently but especially because LX has a three class config., how did you get it!? Probably since you used BMI miles, you couldn't have purchased a Y fare and then upgraded so how did you get a full reward fare with 25,000 miles each way? For most airlines it costs 200,000 miles for a flight like that and if you're lucky, you get the capacity controlled less mile reward but please explain to me because I am baffled!

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great TR and amazing photos . LX F sure looks comfortable. The best in their type IMHO. What a great journey to make.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
I booked 2 one way tickets for 25,000 miles + £170 cash each which I think is pretty good value for F class.

Did you pay much in taxes ??? I'm wondering if they added fuel supps etc... into the taxes???


OA260


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
Again, it shows that LX could well operate GRU dedicated. GRU got upgraded last year from 6 x week to daily, and is one of the few remaining intercontinental destinations of LX.

but for what they should operate GRU dedicated... before the baby is all the day long on ground they can use it very well for a SCL flight, feeded by own passengers, LH passengers and local traffic... and everybody is happy...  Smile
well IMO LX remainding intercontinenatl destinatios arent so few... they are present at all key-markets...

Cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hola Manchester Man!

Loved your TR.

Pictures of the Andes are astonishing. I would like to have had such a clear day when crossing the Rockies last week. Great!

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
The views are so good even the FAs got their cameras out!

LX crew did the same thing when flying over the Alps on my way to BOM last January. It was great. I guess Nature's beauty is always something great to take home with you.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
bmi miles for a first class award. I booked 2 one way tickets for 25,000 miles + £170 cash each which I think is pretty good value for F class.

Wooooooooow! How much worth is every BMI mile compared to Miles&More? I need to use at least 180,000 for this trip.

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 7):
First off, I started reading your report and as soon as I heard about how you got the tickets, I first have to ask how. I just flew CO from EWR-HKG-EWR in F one way and Y the other. I purchased a discount Y fare and I had to use 25,000 miles each way plus 450$ to upgrade from discount Y each way. I did not get the upgrade on the way back, hence I did not use the miles. But how did you get an award ticket with 25,000 miles and 170 pounds (whatever amount that is worth to you because I only price things in USD) without paying some type of Y fare? I know all airlines work differently but especially because LX has a three class config., how did you get it!? Probably since you used BMI miles, you couldn't have purchased a Y fare and then upgraded so how did you get a full reward fare with 25,000 miles each way? For most airlines it costs 200,000 miles for a flight like that and if you're lucky, you get the capacity controlled less mile reward but please explain to me because I am baffled!

The standard award amount for bmi from UK to South America is 50,000 return or 25,000 one way for Y. For first class it is double this amount i.e. 50,000 one way, 100,000 return. However bmi have "Cash and miles" which allows you to use half the miles if you pay a cash contribution as well. In this case the standard cash contribution for UK-South America for a return is £170 or £85 one way. For first class you have to doble it, hence for each way I paid 25,000 miles plus £170 cash (+taxes as well of course). Tip: To turn £ into "real" money just double it.

Say what you want about bmi but they do have the most generous frequent flyer scheme, especially as they give you 9000 miles for joining at the moment (enough for a return flight within Europe) and give away 20,000 for signing up for their Amex card.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Did you pay much in taxes ??? I'm wondering if they added fuel supps etc... into the taxes???

The whole lot cost around £500 including the cash and taxes, so taxes would have come to around £160. I saved quite a lot in taxes by not departing from the UK. Not sure about fuel surcharge, as you know BD are not very transparant when it comes to breaking down the costs on award tickets.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 10):
Wooooooooow! How much worth is every BMI mile compared to Miles&More? I need to use at least 180,000 for this trip.

I fear bmi miles will soon be Miles and More miles anyway  Sad



Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 5):
All anouncements were made in German and English (including from the flightdeck) and some also in French and Portugese and later Spanish on the second leg. So they did have at least 1 Portugese-speaking crew member.

Excellent crew, indeed.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 5):
Yes both airports were fantastic to arrive/depart. The new terminal at SDU is nice but it means you can't board via stairs as I believe you used to do.

SDU and SCL both have extraordinary landing approach, provided you are on the right side of the plane and the day is clear! SDU renovated terminal is very impressive, a piece of art, all made of glass to maximise the beautiful landscape.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
but for what they should operate GRU dedicated... before the baby is all the day long on ground they can use it very well for a SCL flight, feeded by own passengers, LH passengers and local traffic... and everybody is happy...
well IMO LX remainding intercontinenatl destinatios arent so few... they are present at all key-markets...

You are right, in the case of SCL-GRU, due to restrictions in the bilateral, LX can explore the 5th freedom rights for the route. It seems LX is doing quite well in the route, and interesting enought LH flight is doing better than its mother LH.

Well, then you say that GRU is the only key market of the whole of Latin America. I would say LX is still present in markets which I has been perforing well in its previous operation network.

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 5):
The crew were quite old so maybe they prefer tranquility Anyhow Santiago is anything but tranquil if you know where to go and it is a safer city to be wandering around as well (IMO)

Sorry but you simply cannot compare night life of Sao Paulo. But Santiago is also a fantastic city, no doubt.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
We parked next to the AF 772 which flies non-stop from CDG

Btw, next to the AF B772 you can see the tail of DL which operates ATL-SCL nonstop B763.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 756 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Wow what a great TR!! Some of the pics you took on approach to SCL, with the wing and those those beautiful CFM56's, and the Andes in the background is absolutely stunning!!

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Thread starter):
obviously very slow (which is why I love the A343 so much).

I will fly one of SK 340's to BKK in a week's time and I can't wait for the slow climb out of CPH Big grin

Thanks again for a really nice report with stunning pictures  Smile

Stein



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User currently offlineLX64A332 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wow...Excellent TR!

Like many others, I am still amazed at how few miles you had to spend in order to get an award ticket. For instance, this summer I booked a North America-Zurich-North America award ticket for 90,000 miles in BUSINESS class. Is it worth switiching to BD, and even if I never fly them?

Wonderful approach into SCL, reminded me of some wonderful views I had of the alps when flying OD from GVA to LUG!

Happy Flying,

Cheers,

LX64A332



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2049 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great TR and cool pics!

And we have very similar stamps on our passports (M'sia, RSA, and USA).

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 15):
Like many others, I am still amazed at how few miles you had to spend in order to get an award ticket. For instance, this summer I booked a North America-Zurich-North America award ticket for 90,000 miles in BUSINESS class. Is it worth switiching to BD, and even if I never fly them?

Depends how many miles you fly each year and where you are based. One of the best things about Diamond Club, apart from the awards, is low qualification threashold for *A Gold which gets you lounge access, even on domestic US flights. So if you currently collect UA miles for example and only just qualify for *A gold it might be worth it for the lounge access alone rather than having to buy a RCC pass. On the other hand if you currently earn lots more status miles then it might be better sticking in a programme that has a level higher than gold for extra perks, such as Miles and More. If you are currently with M&M I'd probably stay put anyway given likely developments over the next 12 months or so.

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 14):
I will fly one of SK 340's to BKK in a week's time and I can't wait for the slow climb out of CPH

There really is no finer aircraft to fly.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
SDU and SCL both have extraordinary landing approach, provided you are on the right side of the plane and the day is clear! SDU renovated terminal is very impressive, a piece of art, all made of glass to maximise the beautiful landscape

I did and it was! See the second part of my report here:

EZE-LHR: 5 Airlines Via SCL/GRU/CGH/SDU/MUC F/C/Y (by ManchesterMAN Mar 30 2008 in Trip Reports)



Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
Well, then you say that GRU is the only key market of the whole of Latin America. I would say LX is still present in markets which I has been perforing well in its previous operation network.

for an airline like LX, yes, I would say GRU is the only key-market, can not imagine them these days to other airports, hey it would be great to see them at airports like BOG, CCS, LIM etc... but I do not see them there in the next years....

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 11):
The whole lot cost around £500 including the cash and taxes, so taxes would have come to around £160. I saved quite a lot in taxes by not departing from the UK. Not sure about fuel surcharge, as you know BD are not very transparant when it comes to breaking down the costs on award tickets.

thats a bargain!!! wow



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User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 11):
Tip: To turn £ into "real" money just double it.

Ehh, the Euro might become "real" money. And, I know the USD-GBP is 2:1, but that doesn't mean 170 Pounds is worth 340 USD, that is just the exchange. For you 170 pounds might be like me spending 170USD. It has to do with inflation anfd other factors like PPP which are extremely comfusing.

Oh and also, you flew with LH, so I thought that there was no monetary upgrades/rewards allowed when flying on another airline in the same alliance. Do LH and BMI have a special agreement because I had to spend more than what you spent for a one-way upgrade on CO after I purchased a discount Y fare (25,000 miles + 450USD!) I think I need to take a college course to completely understand the upgrade and reward system on airlines. On BMI are these rewards capacity controlled or can you get a reward at any time?

Oh and one more thing. Can I get points on DL for a CO EWR-HKG-EWR trip I just completed even though I have a OnePass account. Because I know that when I flew AF a year or so ago, I did not credit those miles to my OnePass or Skymile account and I do not have an AF FF account. Let's just say you had accounts on like five different airlines in the same alliance, everytime you fly an airline within the alliance, can you credit those miles to all of the different accounts?


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Beautiful pictures. This is the area when in the late 1940s a British passenger plane vanished and it was only found 50 years later. This link talks about it.

http://www.far-eastern-heroes.org.uk/Norman/html/love_of_adventure.htm


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 19):
Oh and also, you flew with LH, so I thought that there was no monetary upgrades/rewards allowed when flying on another airline in the same alliance. Do LH and BMI have a special agreement because I had to spend more than what you spent for a one-way upgrade on CO after I purchased a discount Y fare (25,000 miles + 450USD!) I think I need to take a college course to completely understand the upgrade and reward system on airlines. On BMI are these rewards capacity controlled or can you get a reward at any time?

Just to clarify this was not an upgrade but a mileage redemption. I redeemed miles for a first class award ticket which are very much capacity controlled and it can be a real pain to get a trip like to this to work out with availability on all sectors so I am very happy I managed it. Might want to look on flyertalk.com for a more detailed discussion on these issues.

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 19):
Oh and one more thing. Can I get points on DL for a CO EWR-HKG-EWR trip I just completed even though I have a OnePass account. Because I know that when I flew AF a year or so ago, I did not credit those miles to my OnePass or Skymile account and I do not have an AF FF account. Let's just say you had accounts on like five different airlines in the same alliance, everytime you fly an airline within the alliance, can you credit those miles to all of the different accounts?

You can sure credit CO flights to DL so long as the booking class is eligble for mileage acrual (within Skyteam most are). However you can only earn miles for one flight in one programme so you have to choose which one you want. I put all my skyteam flying into my OnePass account as I think the CO programme works better for me but it is a matter of opinion. Either Skymiles or OnePass are much better than the AF/KL programme that's for sure.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:
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Very nice, excellent reading and superb pictures, very nice indeed!

I tend to fly BA as a general rule, that said I do use BMI for UK domestic trips, better have a look at my reward points, might be worth something - never checked!

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 21):
You can sure credit CO flights to DL so long as the booking class is eligble for mileage acrual (within Skyteam most are). However you can only earn miles for one flight in one programme so you have to choose which one you want. I put all my skyteam flying into my OnePass account as I think the CO programme works better for me but it is a matter of opinion. Either Skymiles or OnePass are much better than the AF/KL programme that's for sure.

So basically if I am flying AZ or AF or KE for example, all airlines I do not have milage accounts in, I can credit those miles to my OnePass or Skymiles account. However, if I do have accounts in them, the miles will only be credited to those accounts. But, let's say if I have enough miles in my CO account to upgrade on SV, I can use those miles for a reward ticket.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 23):
So basically if I am flying AZ or AF or KE for example, all airlines I do not have milage accounts in, I can credit those miles to my OnePass or Skymiles account.

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Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 23):
However, if I do have accounts in them, the miles will only be credited to those accounts.

You can credit to whichever skyteam account you want. Depends which number you add when you make the reservation or check-in. e.g. I fly DL and have a DL Skymiles account, but usually credit to CO as I find CO miles easier to use.

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 23):
But, let's say if I have enough miles in my CO account to upgrade on SV, I can use those miles for a reward ticket.

I'm sure continental.com can help better than I can but didn't think SV were a CO partner but you can use your miles for a reward ticket on any of their partners absolutely - that is what they are for! Upgrades are another matter but I don't know enough about it. It is all very simple really. Best to read the programme rules for more info. I'm not really an expert  Smile



Flown: A300,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340.A380,717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,MD11,MD80,F100,F50,ERJ,E190,CRJ,BAe146,Da
25 AFKLMLHLX : Oh sorry, I was thinking Aeroflot's code was SV for some reason. SV isn't part of any alliance I believe. My mistake.
26 Post contains images Buck3y3nut : Another great trip report. really enjoyed it a lot... thanks
27 B747forever : Awsome TR The pics are fantastic. Seems that LX have a really good F product. Wow, the views you had are just amazing. Thank you for sharing B747forev
28 Post contains images ManchesterMAN : I've added some more photos to breathe some new life into my TR. Enjoy! Food The Andes The Andes close up of CFM 56 approaching SCL Arrival at SCL fro
29 LH431 : Oh, I know this moment! You have your camera placed next to the table, start eating and suddenly your (girl)fried says: Didn't you want to take a pic
30 Evan767 : GREAT trip report. I visited Buenos Aires over the summer. Nice town, definitely want to go back and hit up Santiago as well! Question for all the Swi
31 AntonovA330 : No prob, it might indded appear quite messy at first sight, but it's actually not that difficult (to make a long story short): Swissair SR perished a
32 Post contains links and images ManchesterMAN : Would have definately been Swissair. SR were around until 2001. View Large View MediumPhoto © GDF Photography
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