The outside of T5 was nicely lit in the dark, looking so clean and fresh, next to no chewing gum ground into the floor yet!
View through the fence
Hmm, someone forgot to install the lift!
Headed inside to a self service machine, plenty of them around. They print out the paper type tickets now instead of the card you used to get – I’m a fan of the card so don’t like these flimsy bits of paper.
Here are a coupe of landside shots to give you an idea, it’s pretty roomy, has a nice open and fresh feel to it.
BA has decided to ignore Club passengers and not provide them with their own check-in or fast bag drop facility, they must share it with normal economy passengers, BA claim is it not required as passengers will never have more than one other person in front of them at the self service check-in or fast bag drop – let’s wait and see shall we………….
Passport/security control was quite easy to find and get through. There are 2 areas in the terminal, North and South as they are called. North security has 14 lanes, ie once through there could be up to 14 x-ray machines open to process passengers, the South security lane has 4.
Once through passport control you hit the x-ray lines, a lady was on hand to direct passengers to the shortest queue, she noted my Business Class boarding pass and directed me to Fast Track, however once heading in the direction she indicated I noted there were no signs for it and there was a barrier blocking further access, some BAA security staff and I asked them where it was, they shrugged their shoulders and suggested I join the next nearest queue, hmm, good start!
Anyway, got through, here are a few pictures of T5 airside.
As always it looks like a shopping mall. I’m concerned the area is not going to be big enough in a few years, it really does not feel hugely roomy at all on the concourses.
Upon arrival at the North Galleries I discovered it was closed, no reason given.
I had to walk down to the South Galleries – well I wanted a few pictures for you good folks!
The lounge was nice, this being the Club lounge. Classical music is piped through the lounge, quite soothing! Food & drink offerings were up to the usual standards, nice variation of seating, chairs, sofas, benches at breakfast bars, it’s pretty cool really.
The lounge is announcement free, though I discovered the FIS were not rotating, after pointing this out, boarding announcements were made over the PA system.
A quick visit to the toilet revealed individual units, complete with art work! – The bins are too small though, a few paper towels and they will be overflowing.
Looks like the builders forgot something else!
There are quite a few areas like this, I assume the BAA has some clause in the building contract which penalises the builders for late completion of the project, must be costing a fortune!
The aircraft was departing from A13 this morning, this being part of the main T5, so not far to walk.
On the way, Nicole’s favorite shop.
Again, no priority boarding for Club passengers, I had hoped BA would rectify this with T5, perhaps they have but not on this flight, that said, we were only 4 in Club this morning. Economy looked quite busy, but can’t say for sure how full.
Once aboard I took 4A as assigned, but moved to 6A as the guy in 3B was already reclining, thought it safer to move and have as much room as possible.
I’m not keen on these 767’s, they feel quite dark and gloomy, much prefer the A32X series for my trips around Europe.
Due to ATC restrictions, our departure was slightly delayed - hence the late push back. We took a slow taxi out to 27L.
One of the Club passengers, an American, had asked one of the FA’s if the A380 was here today, she advised yes and we would pass it as we headed out to the runway. The FA must have told the captain as he stopped behind the A380 and made an announcement, I thought that was a very nice touch.
Finally our turn to depart, wheels up at 08:05.
Breakfast was a choice of Continental or a Hot meal, I of course too the hot one, can’t beat these BA breakfasts, a great start to a long day of spotting love them!
The rest of the flight was quite uneventful.
We began to descend in to the cloud, it seemed to take forever before I could see the ground. Weather this morning was terrible, not good weather for pictures, that’s for sure!
Wheels touched down at 10:11, just behind schedule, we had to park on a remote stand as they have dug up the BA one for some work.
The police met the flight, we had to show our passports as we left the plane, they must have been looking for someone……
From the bus.
On the deck I managed to make 54 new planes, would have made more but some aircraft were using the far runway and never came close to T2.
Here are a few pictures from the day.
05.04.08 BA913 A319-131 G-EUOH 1A
1st Flight on this aircraft & 57th A319 Flight
SCH DEP 20:25 SCH ARR 21:10
ACT DEP 21:16 ACT ARR 21:42
After freezing my butt off, and thawing out in Macdonald’s with a coffee to get more planes (the deck closes at 5pm, hopefully it’s open longer in the summer) it was time to head home.
I noted the flight had picked up an hours departure, never a good thing when your tired and just want to get home.
Some lady was resting on the self serve check-in machine, didn’t even bother to move off it as I used it, some people are just rude!
I by passed the duty free, and headed to the lounge, here are a few pictures.
I don’t recall the exact time boarding was called, however do recall the long walk to gate 50. The gates in this area are quite a walk and don’t have any ramp views. The area is dirty, the lack of bins result in waste papers, drink containers etc being left on the seats, it’s not a nice area at all, hopefully this is just a temporary thing until the ramp/gate area is repaired.
Bussed out, don’t mind this, made my last registration of the day, or so I thought.
Crew seemed pretty nice as we boarded, took my seat and read Business Traveller, been saving it all day!
Doors were closed, I had the entire Club cabin to myself, it’s been a while since that last occurred!
The captain apologised for the delay, he said it was down to the baggage system failing yet again, he sounded quite annoyed to be honest. I guess the crew’s must be getting fed up as it messes them up too.
Push occurred at 21:16 and we headed out to the runway that feels like it’s on the other side of the country, forget the number but you know which one I’m referring too!!
Wheels up as 21:34.
Since I was on my own this evening I figured service would be pretty good, unfortunately not so, the 1 FA for the cabin was not particularly attentive, took a good while to bring out any drinks, spent most of her time hidden behind the curtain.
That said, the food was tasty, even the coffee was pretty decent so can’t complain.
A pretty uneventful flight really, a bit of reading, listened to some music, that was it.
Descent was over London, not too much cloud either so it looked very nice, my pictures all came out terrible, really need to work on these night shots!
Wheels touched down at 21:34 on 27L, we taxied past my last new reg for the day, Air China’s B-6075, the A332 which arrived earlier in the day carrying the Olympic torch.
EUOH pulled onto stand 548 which is T5 B after a few minutes of delay, appears we needed someone to see us onto stand.
The walk from this gate to the transit system is quite long, en-route some of the signage appears a little confusing. The ride to T5 main on the transit train is very quick.
The whole arrivals/immigration was quick though some of the signage appeared confusing.
T5 is nice, it appears there is quite a lot of work required to finish it off, hopefully that can be done quite quickly and problems with the baggage system can be sorted even quicker.
BA, overall can’t complain, though as with every carrier, they are only as good as the service the crews provide.
Thanks for reading, hope you enjoyed the trip.
Marcus, forgot to e-mail you, sorry, owe you a beer next time.
Future confirmed flights:-
BE MAN-IOM D84
BE IOM-MAN D84
BA LGW-PMI 735
BA PMI-LGW 735
BA LHR-JFW 744
CO EWR-HNL 764
AA HNL-LAX 752
BA LAX-LHR 744
DanTaylor2006 From UK - England, joined Feb 2006, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
Nice report, thoroughly enjoyed reading it The photographs both at T5 and FRA are great!
When I was at T5 I noticed about 10-15 check-in desks had "Club" displayed on the board behind them, but none of them were opened when I was there (it was only 5:15 when I passed through security, so check-in desks had only been opened 15 mins prior). Your photographs of the Club Lounge are nice... makes me unable to wait til I get to try them out in July!
Rogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1202 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7686 times:
Thanks for the TR.
It is nice to have another sight into T5; for all the reports I have seen so far, the structure looks much like Madrid Barajas' T4. No doubt they were designed by the same person: Richard Rogers.
T5 has though lower ceilings at departures which makes it look warmer. Everytime I have been at Barajas I find it a cold terminal, especially the T4S, satellite, which is huge but with fewer shops and cafes, all concentrated at the center area with very few, or none, scattered around.
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter): I'm not keen on these 767's, they feel quite dark and gloomy, much prefer the A32X series for my trips around Europe
I totally agree with you; I think these dark leather seats give a real cramped view of the cabin.
"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
Yeah - it does! From what I recall from a visit a few years ago, it is opened till 8pm in the summer month. Same applies to the deck in terminal 1.
Quote: Push occurred at 21:16 and we headed out to the runway that feels like it’s on the other side of the country, forget the number but you know which one I’m referring too!!
FRAs equivalent to AMS "polderbaan" - runway 18. Just used for departures into the south (by the way: when it was built in the 80s, there were so many protests against it - several people got killed) - to me, it seemes like quite a miss-planning, 'cause FRA would have needed (and desperately needs) a more flexible runway for departures AND landings... let's see, when the fourth runway (with even longer taxi-times) will finally be built and opened...
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1): I didnt know EU citizens needed passports to travel between EU countries
Well, ID-cards do it as well...
The reason is that Britain, even though it's part of the EU, doesn't participate in the Schengen-treaty, which abolished passport-controlls between participating countries (e.g. Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium and many more EU countries as well as some NON-EU countries such as Switzerland since recently). So, EU citizens are treated the same way Britains are, but flights between Britain and other EU-countries are still considered international and operate from the international areas...
EMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7508 times:
Brilliant trip report. Am flying Club Europe to Rome from T5 in August and am looking forward to it. The lounge looks brill, am sure it will be busier at 4:00pm lol. Flying on an A320 and back on a 767. Will be able to compare the two when I get back.
Gkyip From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7292 times:
Hi Mark, great report as always! Fantastic pics, just wished the weather was better for you!
T5 looks pretty good. Have a few flights from there in the future so will get the chance to get to know it! Are the North and South galleries lounges the same or is one bigger than the other? Be interesting to see what the lounges in the satellite terminal are like as well.
I agree, it was bad enough when they swapped the colour cards for black and white cards. The only times you find the old ones is when you fly BA from worldwide airports. HKG I know for a fact still uses the old colour cards. Look much better!
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter): BA has decided to ignore Club passengers and not provide them with their own check-in or fast bag drop facility, they must share it with normal economy passengers
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter): Again, no priority boarding for Club passengers, I had hoped BA would rectify this with T5,
Oh dear, not good for BA to treat their Club passengers like this! I thought half of the point of T5 was better facilities for Club and FIRST passengers and being able to compete with VS's new facilities in T3. Is there no zone R equivalent in T5?
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6561 times:
Another top notch report! The detail you put into your reports are great!
Also, FRA is to me a special airport, so I just love to read stories about FRA and spotting at FRA!
The T2 terrace is quite good for spotting, but when the use rwy 18 for main departures, you'll miss most LH and other T1 users when spotting!
Thanks for sharing!
Joost ( D-ALCE )
flown on : F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,319,320,321,333,AB6.
Eurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6537 times:
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 10): - Either a passport or ID car is required, hopefully it will vanish one day, but with security, who knows?
I suspect it has less to do with security and more to do with our being an 'island race' - I can't believe it will ever be politically acceptable for us to sign the Schengen Treaty.
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter): don’t recall the exact time boarding was called, however do recall the long walk to gate 50. The gates in this area are quite a walk and don’t have any ramp views
Mark, you should count yourself lucky you weren't flying with BE - their gates are a good 30 minute walk from T2 security along endless corridors that swing right and left and go on for miles without any windows. Then when you get to the gate area, you find its the most soulless place on earth. When I flew back from FRA last month, I pitied the poor sods who were still waiting for the morning SOU flight at 18h00 in the evening - what a depressing place to wait.
Forget A vs B - Give me E or BAe any day of the week!
Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13): Hopefully those crazy teething problems will eventually wear off.
- I'm sure they will and we will forget all about the problems.
Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13): What is the BA Galleries Lounge? This is the first time i see it.
- They are the new name for the Terraces, they have done a good job from first impressions.
Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13): Your spotting pics are amazing! I especially loved the TAM A345 above the SAA A346 pic! .. Any chance we can see more?
- Sorry, I've only a few good pix and hardly and good flying ones like the TAM, weather was just too poor.
Quoting DALCE (Reply 14): Another top notch report! The detail you put into your reports are great!
- Many thanks Sir.
Quoting DALCE (Reply 14): Also, FRA is to me a special airport, so I just love to read stories about FRA and spotting at FRA!
The T2 terrace is quite good for spotting, but when the use rwy 18 for main departures, you'll miss most LH and other T1 users when spotting!
- FRA is one of my favorite places to spot, just a shame the T1 spotting deck is closed, hopefully it will re-open one day.
Quoting Eurohub (Reply 15): you should count yourself lucky you weren't flying with BE - their gates are a good 30 minute walk from T2 security along endless corridors that swing right and left and go on for miles without any windows. Then when you get to the gate area, you find its the most soulless place on earth
- Yikes, sounds even worse than these late 50 gates, thanks for the warning!
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5840 times:
just jumped in and then I saw this report. Great writing and good decision to go off to FRA that day. Although the 767 looked dark inside indeed, I would love it on any European 'short-haul' service nowadays, as it's hard to get on nowadays. I saw the evening AMS service by BA is now also flown with B767 equipment. Maybe I'll give it a try some day.
Nice spotting pics too! Thanks for sharing,
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5572 times:
Nice SA Linhas Aereas">TR
Loved the pictures from the new T5. It does look very airy and roomy..the sofas look comfy but i am sure during holiday season one won't be able to enjoy those.
Also loved the pictures of TAM and SA A345 and A346 in the same shot. AI 744 looks nice in the new colours.
Somehow the BA interiors on the 767 is not too appealing, i wish they would introduce some colours in that cabin. Also on your return trip, the FA could have been a little more attentive, its just a matter of professionalism, IMO.
Where are you heading next, hope to see a SA Linhas Aereas">TR then as well!!!