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First And Last Time? JFK-FCO-MUC, Alitalia 777  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

First and Last Time? JFK-FCO-MUC on Alitalia 777 & A319


Intro
Alitalia's 777 and A319 are featured in report no. 2 about my recent weekend transatlantic journey to New York. All users who want to read about the background of the tour or want to know details about CSA's A310-300 long-haul or ATR 42-500 short-haul service only need to click here:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/123697


JFK Holiday Inn Express
Hotels around JFK tend to be quite expensive in comparison, but some 85 Euro for the Holiday Inn Express (including breakfast) seemed to be reasonable. The hotel is still quite new, with clean floors and rooms. Friendly staff welcomed me at the front desk and checked me in quickly, offering two free bottles of water and cookies (I'm not sure whether this is only for Priority Club members). The rooms are well-equipped, e.g. with flat TV screens...



...and a really large bed.



The breakfast even included warm omelets and hamburger meat, not bad for a budget hotel. However, the location next to a highway can be annoying at night because the windows aren't soundproofed. So anyone who isn't really tired may have trouble to find any sleep. Anyway, the hotel is much better than the JFK Radisson where I stayed some time ago. Next time I may try the Days Inn.



Sunday, 06 April 2008
New York (JFK) - Rome (FCO)
Alitalia, AZ609
16:01-06:20 (16:05-06:15)
Flying time: 07:36 (hrs)

Boeing 777-243ER
EI-DBK "Ostuni" (s/n 455), delivered in 10/2003
Economy Seat 42A



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Check-in Concerns & Empty Seats
I checked out at around 11:00 and took the shuttle which dropped me off at Terminal 1. According to some Alitalia staff, check-in was supposed to open at 12:30, but the counters were used by JAL until at least 13:00. Then all the JAL signs were replaced by Alitalia signs and the AZ agents started working. After some 20 minutes in line I was welcomed by a friendly female agent. I had decided to switch from my pre-reserved double-excuse-me-window-seat to an aisle seat for the night flight and expressed my request. She nodded but suddenly seemed to face some trouble after entering my data. After two minutes she contacted a male colleague who grabbed my passport and my e-ticket itinerary and walked away. "Is there a problem?", I asked and the agent replied that "apparently the connecting flight to Munich is cancelled". What a great start with Alitalia, I thought...  Yeah sure
However, the male agent came back shortly and said everything would be alright. Then he continued the check-in process and asked again about my seat preference. At first he offered me an aisle seat in row 17 but I asked for another row in the back of the cabin, probably the second last row. The he replied: "You can sit where ever you want because there are more than 100 empty seats on the flight." So I chose 43C and hoped to get a whole row for me alone.

Free Seating
Since there was plenty of time left, I spend another hour at the spotting spot at AirTrain station Terminal 2/3 before passing security. The check-in agent hadn't added the infamous SSSS-code to my boarding pass so I didn't expect a special treatment. The officer at the security lines entry point immediately said "Guten Tag" and "Gute Reise when he saw my German passport. Then he told me to turn left towards the checkpoints with all that "special treatment equipment", but I was glad they opted for the standard check. At the gate EI-DBK, a 2003-model, was being prepared for flight AZ609:



After a short walk I returned to my gate, not even ten minutes after boarding had been started. No more queues, thanks to the light load. A friendly female FA welcomed me at the door and I walked down all the way to row 43 - the last window row on the plane. While most Economy pax were seated in the front Y-cabin section, the rear section was almost totally empty. When I headed to my seat another friendly female FA in the late 30s smiled and looked a bit surprised, apparently because I didn't stop walking. "Row 43", I said and she asked: "Row 43???" Before I sat down she had kindly offered me to choose another seat as soon as boarding would be completed. And about three minutes later she came back, smiled again, reached out her arms over some empty rows and said: "You can choose whatever seat you want."  Smile
I decided to switch to row 42, stored my hand luggage under the middle seat in front and moved into the window seat. Three seats for private use in the second last row of a 777 - what else do you need?  Wink

Cabin Comfort
One major difference in comparison to other carriers' birds is that you won't find a row with only two seats in the rear section on AZ 777s - there are even three seats in the last window row (43). While the grey color of the seats looks somehow elegant, you can easily detect even tiny dirty spots on the cloth seat covers. My original seat 43C (below) was a bit dirty, but row 42 looked much better.



Another bad surprise is the relatively large IFE-box under the window and aisle seats. I was glad that I got a whole row for me alone - it wouldn't have been a pleasure on a full flight.



Seat pitch itself was absolutely sufficient:



Empty cabin, load factor was probably some 40 percent or less in Eco (pic taken later in the flight):




IFE
Alitalia's 777s are equipped with an Audio/Video on Demand (AVOD) system which offers a range of 16 movies (new ones and classics, e.g. Forrest Gump), three TV short programs, 15 video games, 10 audio channels, inflight shopping, destination and company information pages as well as an airshow channel. Here's the main menu:



First of all, the handsets weren't in good shape, with one or two buttons being defect, and it wasn't easy to get them out of the armrest storage bins. Additionally, the operability of the system partly lacked some logic. Another issue is the choice of languages: Most movies were available in Italian and English, some of them also in Japanese, Portuguese and Spanish, but not in German. In contrast, both Air France and KLM do offer movies in German. As for the games: the all-time favorite Tetris wasn't available and the Inflight Trivia didn't work. Last but not least, the low-quality headseats didn't help to improve the overall impression of the IFE either...  thumbsdown  Anyway, the airshow channel worked which was most important.


The Endless Line-up
Shortly after cargo doors had been closed were pushed back some minutes early at 16:01. Sistership I-DISE (on the very left) was scheduled to depart as AZ605 to Milan in the evening.



Another troubled carrier...



Just after the (enjoyable) GE90 start-up with noise, vibration and black smoke the captain welcomed us on board. "As usual at JFK it is a very long way to the runway", he said. And indeed, we would spend the next 30 minutes on the taxiway, followed by a Lufthansa 744...



...and various other aircraft...



...including CSA's A310-300 OK-WAB which had flown me to JFK on the day before:



Finally, exactly 40 minutes after pushback it was our turn and the two GE90s accelerated the 777 for a powerful takeoff on runway 04L. The mighty twin lifted off shortly and I enjoyed some good views of the airport and Manhattan in the background, even though the weather wasn't great at all. Busy time at JFK with interesting birds from around the world, e.g. Aerolineas Argentinas A343, Air Berlin A333, EL AL 744, Emirates 77W, Israir's new A332 (in Eurofly colors), Kuwait Airways 777, South African A343, Swiss A332, Virgin Atlantic A346...



...Aer Lingus A330s, Air India 77L and 77W and Royal Jordanian A342.



The new jetBlue Terminal, quite a large building:



Last look at JFK...



...and some housing areas...



...before breaking through dense clouds.




The Ginger Ale-Test
FAs started offering drinks shortly and I decided to do a Ginger-Ale-test: It's one of my favorite soft drinks and definitely NOT available on many carriers - usually it's available on certain carriers famous for good service in general. After I had expressed my request a yound and friendly male FA intensified his smile, opened one of the trolley's compartments, took out a green can, showed it to me while smiling even more and handed it out to me together with a cup, filled up with ice. Well, it was Canada Dry and not Schweppes like on SriLankan, but hey, it was Ginger Ale! Well done, Alitalia.  thumbsup 




Delicious Dinner
Dinner was served some 60 minutes after takeoff. There was a choice of meat/veal and fish and I opted for the former.



The main course was a kind of veal goulash with pieces of tomato and broccoli - the sauce as well as the tender meat and the vegetables tasted delicious. In addition to the goulash, there was an extra plate with tasty scalloped cannelloni. I wasn't sure about the filling, I guess it was a mixture of spinach and ricotta cheese. I also liked the slices of ham on top of the carrot and celery salad. The two bread rolls weren't bad either, not as hard as the stuff available on numerous carriers. Dessert consisted of some fresh pieces of melon and two grapes. I would have preferred a piece of cake, e.g. Tiramisu or Tartufo, but nevertheless, it was a very good meal - much better than most of the food I have got on various European and American long-haul carriers.  thumbsup 

Joking FAs
The friendly male FA offered wine for dinner, but I ordered Tonic this time. After he had already handed out the cup to me, I requested some ice. He took it again and asked his colleague, the female FA in the late 30s, to put some ice into the cup. Apparently she misunderstood and filled the cup with water. When the male FA told her about the mistake, she quickly took a new cup and entirely filled it up with ice. The male FA then returned the cup to me and humorously said: "She's new."  Wink

Into the Night
After dinner I admired the scenery, with the sun slowly going down. It's always a pleasure to watch the own plane's contrail:



Seen so often, but never getting boring - beautiful light effects during sunset:



Last look at the sun:



I tried to find some sleep and killed some time by exploring the AVOD system. Other than expected, FAs passed through the cabin frequently and offered cups with water. They had also placed a tray with water and juice for self-service in the galley. Airshow check some hours later:



Back in European skies:




Breakfast
About one hour prior to arrival a small breakfast was served, consisting of a ham and cheese sandwich and a pastry filled with chocolate. The sandwich was quite hard - but both the blood orange juice and the coffee tasted excellent. It was probably the best coffee I have ever got on a plane - good to see Alitalia takes care of brewing coffee which Italy is so famous for.




Approach
After passing Bastia on the island of Corsica it was just a short hop into Italian airspace. Minutes from touchdown I wanted to take one or two more pics, but had forgotten to switch off the flash - one FA then immediately told me to switch off the camera. Well, at least I switched off the flash.  Wink



EI-DBK touched down gently and was stopped slowly without using reverse thrust. We taxied to a remote parking position, where busses were already waiting. While walking down the stairs I thought about taking a pic of the huge GE90 powerplant, but there were simply too many ground crew members around. And I had heard before that Rome-Fiumicino is not a really spotter-friendly airport...


Rome Fiumicino Airport
While Terminal B is not a fancy new building, it's still easy to find the right way. Not beautiful with rather dark floors and low ceilings, but functional. I took me about 15 minutes to reach the gate area where my flight to MUC was supposed to depart from. Unfortunately, the check-in agent at JFK had not only reserved an aisle seat for the long-haul flight, but also for the short-haul sector. So I went to the agent at my gate and asked for a window seat in the rear section. The friendly agent explained that the printer wouldn't work, but he immediately changed my seat in the computer and wrote down the new seat number on my boarding pass. Then he said that there would be many empty seats on the plane anyway. Another half-empty AZ flight?  scratchchin 
There aren't many areas which are recommendable for spotting, but I found a place at a glass front and got some taxiing aircraft. In the end, I added 25 new registrations to my collection (68 new regs at JFK).



Monday, 07 April 2008
Rome (FCO) - Munich (FCO)
Alitalia, AZ432
09:11-10:42 (09:00-10:40)
Flying time: 01:14 (hrs)

Airbus A319-112
I-BIMA "Isola d'Elba" (MSN 1722), delivered in 06/2002
Economy Seat 23A



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A319? A320? A319!
My original itinerary showed an A319 on the FCO-MUC sector, but only weeks prior to departure it was switched to an A320. No big deal because I hadn't flown on an Alitalia Airbus before, but in general I prefer the A319 due to its (usually) better takeoff performance. However, when our bus stopped at the aircraft's remote parking position, I was surprised to see I-BIMA would operate the flight, Alitalia's first A319, delivered in 06/2002.




Cabin Comfort
The welcome at the door wasn't as pleasant as on the 777. Just a short "Buongiorno" without a smile. Instead, the FA was intensively chatting with one of the pilots. The other two FAs (both between 40 and 50) in the back of the cabin were chatting with each other, too. Again just a short and distanced - almost a bit arrogant - welcome, without a smile. The green seat color looks quite attractive - not the common grey, dark blue or black used in these days.



Though the seats aren't the latest models, they were quite comfortable...



...and pitch was sufficient, too. However, the seats and the cabin in general looked worn and weren't as clean as on the 777.




Light Load
Both airshow and TV features were shown on the foldout screens. The load factor was very low, even worse than on the long-haul flight. I guess there were some 40 pax on the plane - the ERJ145 which was used for so many years to and from MUC would have been sufficient. Anyway, I was glad about having the much more comfortable A319 than the tiny Brazilian tube.




Powerful Takeoff
We were pushed back eleven minutes late and then didn't move for a while before finally lining up for takeoff at runway 25. While an AZ A321 was just getting airborne, our A319 turned in and was severely accelerated just some seconds later. It was probably the most powerful takeoff I have ever experienced on an A32X series aircraft, and a shaky one, too.



I-BIMA lifted off quickly...



...and later turned right over the sea.




Snack & Turbulence
FAs offered cold and hot drinks as well as a quite tasty almond cake.



Again, AZ served a good coffee, but I had to drink it very fast because we were hitting an area of turbulence over the Alps.




Approach
The sunshine over the Alps was soon replaced by the common screens of fog around MUC...



Erding Air Base, the home of the 5th Air Defense Missile Squadron and the 1st Air Force Maintenance Regiment:



Three minutes after passing the air base we touched down on runway 26L and arrived at the gate at 10:42, almost on time.





Conclusion
Flying Alitalia was a positive experience - actually better than expected. Flights were on time, ground staff at both JFK and FCO and most FAs on the long-haul flight were friendly and service-orientated. Well, it was a bit different on the short-haul sector. Catering on AZ609 was good, with a large choice of drinks and partly delicious food. Breakfast was traditional Italian style, so I don't complain. The almond cake on AZ432 was a welcome change in the world of ever-identical sandwiches. Seating was comfortable on both flights, but the big IFE boxes on the 777 can be a torture on full flights. The AVOD system can't match the ease of use and programing of other carriers' products (e.g KLM, NWA and of course Emirates) and may not be in best shape, but it still helps to stay entertained on long flights. The 777 cabin was mostly clean and in relatively good shape, while the A319 cabin was worn and partly dirty.
In the end I'd rate the long-haul flight to be more important than the short European hop, so my my overall impression of Alitalia is mostly positive. I wouldn't hesitate to fly on AZ's 777 again - but only after the airline has been stabilized again. After the latest reports about another cash injection it seems AZ keeps flying for the time being - and hopefully a new investor will be able to turn Alitalia into a profitable carrier again. But who knows, probably it was my first and last time on Alitalia.


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter


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User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great trip report. I hope to try Alitalia also before they go under if they go. I have never flown with them and want to experience them at least once. Need to collect some miles for my OK PLUS account before the end of the year.

The almond cake looks very nice.

Ales



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User currently offlineTriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Good TR on AZ. I see their 777's in NRT all the time. That accounts for some Japanese programming you saw. And I liked the pics as you took off from JFK. Still the same circular design as 40 years ago, but almost all new terminal buildings.
I flew on an AZ 321 a few years ago and it had the green seats. I thought it was a nice, soft interior.
And I hope AZ doesn't go under. While I have never flown them on a long haul flight, they are a fond reminder of Italy and the time I spent there (I flew TWA and Pan Am 747's to and from FCO).



Have you kissed a 777 today?
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4455 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Alespesl (Reply 1):
The almond cake looks very nice.

Yes, and it tastes great, too bad such a small portion.
I am glad I have flown AZ last year, am over with it.
Thanks for the TR, seems like you had a very good experience with the light loads. I was literally about to break my seat in half when I flew last year on a full load.
Nice photos also. I didn't realize that B6 terminal is getting to be so big, compared to the old TWA terminal.


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice TR!
AZ seems to be a good carrier when it comes to meals and drinks, that almond cake looked really delicious!
I have to agree with you on that Ginger Ale is the best soda, it's a good change to the usual coke and fanta.
It was only until now that i realised how big those IFE boxes are and it sure must be a hell having the window seat. What is the point of having two boxes anyway?
I hope that AZ gets back on its feet again soon.
Thank you for sharing.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks for the first round of feedback!

Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
I was literally about to break my seat in half when I flew last year on a full load.

Which type did you fly on?

Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
I didn't realize that B6 terminal is getting to be so big, compared to the old TWA terminal.

Yes, I was surprised, too, after seeing its dimension from the air.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 4):
It was only until now that i realised how big those IFE boxes are and it sure must be a hell having the window seat.

Fortunately, the size and number of the boxes have been continuously decreasing - and some carriers and manufacturers have already found other ways how to store the stuff.


PH



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6361 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Excellent TR. I remember seeing the Alitalia 747 landing at MEX many years ago. I love Ginger Ale too. I sually drink cognac and ginger ale. Great cocktail.

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks for the great trip report. I like Alitalia except I always worry that they will lose my luggage on a connecting flight so I recheck the bags in Rome / Milan. It's a shame that they are completely mismanaged and will unlikely survive in my opinion.

User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

very detailed and entertaining report with lots of great pics. I was especially looking forward to this report, as I have recently been on a very similar routing with Alitalia. As you know, it was MXP-JFK-MXP, also on the B 777. I'm glad to read that your overall impression was as positive as mine.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
There was a choice of meat/veal and fish and I opted for the former.

This is interesting: fish was one of the two options on my two flights as well. Obviously they always offer a "fish dish".

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the coffee tasted excellent. It was probably the best coffee I have ever got on a plane - good to see Alitalia takes care of brewing coffee which Italy is so famous for.

 checkmark  Definately true. Nothing is better than a good, strong coffee on a long-haul flight.

The low load factors on both flights are really alarming. I guess the recent events might have made it even more difficult for Alitalia to sell their tickets for reasonable prices (from the airline's point of view). I really do hope that they get back to their feet. It would be really sad to see this airline disappearing.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hey, PH,

now the long awaited return-from-JFK story is online.
For sure, a great one and good pix, too.

I´ve had the same impressions on my four AZ legs some weeks ago.
Flying AZ is not that bad as always said, so I´d like to go with them again,
if it´s ever possible.

Thanx for posting and best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

BTW, May, 1th is still fixed?.



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User currently onlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH,

It sure was worth waiting for your return trip report! I keep on being surprised about the quality of AZ, which always seems higher than expected. Are they really that good, or do they have a too bad image?
As usual you have included tremendous pics, which makes reading your reports great fun!

Thanks for sharing!
Cheers,
Joost ( D-ALCE )



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Another bad surprise is the relatively large IFE-box under the window and aisle seats

 Wow! That is a realy monster! It seems one wouldn't have room for any carry-on luggage under those seats! But other than that, the 777 interior looks nice and the food looks very good. Thanks for a very interesting report!



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

I find it interesting that the IFE box is located in the middle rather than either left or right. Do you feel it's more comfortable like that than having to put both feet together opposite to the box?

I've flown AZ for the first time back in 1995 between MLA and FCO. Since 2004 I've flown 3 times BRU-MXP-BEY return with them, once BRU-MXP-DXB return, and will (hopefully) fly BRU-FCO-BEY return in July.

Sure they're not the best of the crowd but they also are far from being the worst, especially taking price/quality ratio into account. I hope they turnaround and get well. Loosing less bags and improving some meals would make things right as far as I'm concerned.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27125 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Very nice TR and pics. I hope they can save AZ , its a shame the way the went.

OA260


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Hi PH,

Great read and pictures, especially the shots of JFK, that B6 terminal area is massive!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the grey color of the seats looks somehow elegant, you can easily detect even tiny dirty spots on the cloth seat covers

- Not the kind of seat colout I'd have chosen, will look dirty very quickly.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Another bad surprise is the relatively large IFE-box under the window and aisle seats.

- Wow, those are big boxes!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I decided to do a Ginger-Ale-test: It's one of my favorite soft drinks

- Mine too, very refreshing  Smile

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Dinner was served some 60 minutes after takeoff. There was a choice of meat/veal and fish and I opted for the former

- Not a bad looking meal, shame about desert being a bit weak though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had heard before that Rome-Fiumicino is not a really spotter-friendly airport...

- They are ok really, they don't like camera's though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
There aren't many areas which are recommendable for spotting, but I found a place at a glass front and got some taxiing aircraft. In the end, I added 25 new registrations to my collection

- That's pretty darn good for such a short period. My day trip last year only got me about 30, very disapointed.

Best Wishes

Mark



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice TR,

You got quite a nice surprise flying AZ, i must say.

From your TR, i gathered, the a/c's were clean, food decent and ground staff pretty attentive. what more can you ask for??!!?? However, the almond cake on the FCO-MUC should have been the dessert on JFK-FCO, cos that piece looks scrumptious  Smile

I loved the pics that you took off the tarmac at JFK, amazing the different tails you can see at JFK.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks for all your replies!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 8):
Nothing is better than a good, strong coffee on a long-haul flight.

So true!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 8):
The low load factors on both flights are really alarming. I guess the recent events might have made it even more difficult for Alitalia to sell their tickets for reasonable prices (from the airline's point of view).

Yes, I guess all the events of the past few weeks were a reason for the low loads on my flights.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
BTW, May, 1th is still fixed?.

Nothing has changed yet, except for the re-timing of all three flights. Now I have to get up earlier and I will return homer later...

Quoting DALCE (Reply 10):
Are they really that good, or do they have a too bad image?

Their product isn't bad at all, but the image has permanently been suffering from strikes, lost bag statistics etc...

Quoting LH459 (Reply 11):
It seems one wouldn't have room for any carry-on luggage under those seats!

Not possible at all.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 12):
Do you feel it's more comfortable like that than having to put both feet together opposite to the box?

Yes, more comfortable for the legs, but I prefer to have my carry-on with me all the time.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
- They are ok really, they don't like camera's though.

And I have heard that certain police officers don't like reg spotters either...

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15):
However, the almond cake on the FCO-MUC should have been the dessert on JFK-FCO,

Very true.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15):
I loved the pics that you took off the tarmac at JFK, amazing the different tails you can see at JFK.

JFK is a great airport - now if they only had a good spotting spot...


PH



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User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Don't worry. I think the new italian "government" (if we can use this word to define it) will find a way to inject tons of €€€€ in AZ empty pockets.

And it's really sad, but it isn't a nightmare, it's real life


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great report with again some excellent pics. Isn't it a miracle, how "normal" passengers seem to avoid Alitalia according to the loads on your flights, probably because they fear Alitalia will cease to exist. However the a.netters try to catch Alitalia, because they fear Alitalia will cease to exist.

I for one wouldn't worry too much about Alitalia. Either they'll be bought by some other airline, or we will see a "new" carrier (AZ Roma Airline) taking over their aircraft, staff, routes, ...

Once again thanks for sharing, Alex.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting F.pier (Reply 17):
Don't worry. I think the new italian "government" (if we can use this word to define it) will find a way to inject tons of €€€€ in AZ empty pockets.

I still hope they can find a private investor...

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 18):
Isn't it a miracle, how "normal" passengers seem to avoid Alitalia according to the loads on your flights, probably because they fear Alitalia will cease to exist. However the a.netters try to catch Alitalia, because they fear Alitalia will cease to exist.

Hi Alex - yes, it describes the situation well.

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 18):
I for one wouldn't worry too much about Alitalia. Either they'll be bought by some other airline, or we will see a "new" carrier (AZ Roma Airline) taking over their aircraft, staff, routes, ...

Will be interesting to see what happens. But I have just read an FAZ article about Alitalia unions - what a mess...


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi PH!

Very nice trip report!

Glad that you liked the food; the wasn't very good when I lfew AZ JFK-FCO about five years ago on I-DISE and they served pasta.....

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 20):
Glad that you liked the food; the wasn't very good when I lfew AZ JFK-FCO about five years ago on I-DISE and they served pasta.....

Hi Lars, yes I remember your comments, I had read your report again just before my trip. Alitalia has apparently improved catering and service (several rounds of water during the night).


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Another great report, I really enjoyed both this one and the CSA one.


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Busy time at JFK with interesting birds from around the world, e.g. Aerolineas Argentinas A343, Air Berlin A333, EL AL 744, Emirates 77W, Israir's new A332 (in Eurofly colors), Kuwait Airways 777, South African A343, Swiss A332, Virgin Atlantic A346...



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...Aer Lingus A330s, Air India 77L and 77W and Royal Jordanian A342.

One reason why JFK is one of my favourite airports for spotting, the selection of planes and airlines from all over the world is simply stunning.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
FAs started offering drinks shortly and I decided to do a Ginger-Ale-test: It's one of my favorite soft drinks and definitely NOT available on many carriers

Great to read that AZ is offering Ginger Ale, I like the stuff as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Well, it was Canada Dry and not Schweppes like on SriLankan, but hey, it was Ginger Ale!

I never compared Canada Dry and Schweppes directly but I remember that Canaday Dry Ginger Ale tastes pretty good.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Flying Alitalia was a positive experience - actually better than expected.

Good to read. Usually you don't read good things about AZ but I can't complain either, all my flights with them were ok, a friend and me even got an upgrade on a MXP-DUS flights a few years ago.

Thanks for sharing your one day trip to the USA, it was a very entertaining read!

Patrick


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1331 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Question - do you have any problems with US Immigration, i.e. trying to explain why you are entering the country for one day?

An observation, given the empty seats on the respective flights, I'm not surprised AZ are in financial difficulty.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6829 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 22):
Another great report, I really enjoyed both this one and the CSA one.

Thanks, Patrick.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 22):

Good to read. Usually you don't read good things about AZ but I can't complain either, all my flights with them were ok, a friend and me even got an upgrade on a MXP-DUS flights a few years ago.

It's amazing that positive reports about AZ clearly outhweigh the negative ones here.

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 23):
Question - do you have any problems with US Immigration, i.e. trying to explain why you are entering the country for one day?

Not with immigration, but I have repeatedly faced trouble with various security officers in the past (for being a spotter). And you never know how much about that is somewhere saved in their databases, probably resulting in odd conclusions.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 AirxLiban : Great report! Great to hear that a US TSA Officer said that. They have just bad reputations that I could almost never imagine one being as sympathetic
26 PlaneHunter : Hi AirxLiban, thanks a lot for your feedback! Unbelievable... That sums it up well. I'd recommend to take that flight. Who knows how long it will be a
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