Sponsor Message:
Aviation Trip Reports Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Korean Air KE 822: 24/OCT/07: NAN-ICN: J Cabin  
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Feedback always appreciated.

Trip Report: 045
Flight Category: J-ILR (See Report End)
Date: 24Oct-07
SDT/SAT/Delay: 0955/1740/10:45 hrs (Delayed by 1:20)
Flight: Korean Air Lines KE 822, 5042 miles
Routing: NAN-ICN
Aircraft: 332
Seat: Business, 9A

I > Background:

Ok, I am back! After taking a sabbatical from trip reports for 5 months, here is the first installation from a series of trip reports. Mid-August to mid-November 2007 saw the craziest of my travel plans. 69 flights totalling 175,028 kms on 35 airlines, visiting 49 airports in 34 countries in all 6 continents. And, here is the best part … all of them were part of a 4 month break from life … pure vacation, and pure food for the mind, body, and soul. Together, they mounted to 21/2 round-the-worlds that was truly insane. As usual, all long haul flights were on Business or First Class; short haul was on Economy Class.

This is definitely not the first Business class flight review of Korean Air. However, it is definitely the first review of the NAN-ICN sector which provides an insight on KE’s long haul Asian product, and also on product positioning on the rarely discussed Oceania-North Asia market.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Korean Air provides an excellent hub-spoke system from their beautiful and efficient hub at Incheon airport in the outskirts of Seoul. ICN is a far cry from those of us who remember SEL. Though, I must admit that getting to/from ICN is so much worse than SEL.

Given the complicated routing, booking for this segment was done through my super awesome travel agent in Caracas. She is an angel and my life here in CCS would be a logistical nightmare without her! I was surprisingly issued a paper ticket (despite all being e-ticket stations, and the entire itinerary being on Skyteam) which was viewable online on the websites of CO, but not on KE. I called KE’s toll-free number in the U.S. and procured ideal seat selections with ease.

b) At Airport:
Woke up at 08.00am for a short 10 minute drive to Nadi airport. Upon arriving at the KE line, I was greeted by an extremely unruly crowd of Koreans who had taken over all of the 6 open counters including the Premium check-in desk. There was this one guy who apparently led a group of small term investors and was checking in boxes that would put the Balikbayan boxes of the Philippines to shame. This random guy was driving traffic and I thought for a long time they were all flying J. So anyways, lets call him Mr. Korean Leader (MKL) decides to yell to coordinate queue flows and talk loudly as others fought to get into appropriate queues. Then, a random Korean woman comes in and talks to MKL and he allows her to proceed to check-in. After she is issued a Y class boarding pass (its been like 30 minute of waiting by this time), I start figuring out that the “J” line wasn’t really for premium passengers … so ignoring the clearly bullying commentary in Korean, I push myself past MLK to check-in where I am greeted by a super incompetent KE manager who has no excuse for MLK’s behaviour. When questioned on whether he or MLK was in charge of queue management, he gave me a blank stare and looked confused. Additionally, he had a hard time changing my FFP number to Delta from Air France?! How the hell did Korean send him to Nadi to be the airport manager. GRRRR. Anyway, after the 45 minute ordeal, I got my boarding passes and headed to the immigration and security.

After a relatively painless immigration and security, and a lacklustre Air Pacific lounge, I went to the boarding area to witness even more chaos. KE Nadi does not have a remotely logical boarding process. There is no priority to J class passengers and absolutely no zone based boarding. So as soon as boarding was called, everyone rushed to the gate and there was much pushing and shoving from the mainly Korean clientele. I have been to over 120 countries and never had I witnessed such a farcical boarding process … especially disappointing as KAL is trying to move upstream with its products and services.

Anyways, I gave up on trying to board early and waited until everyone had boarded. When last call is made, I gently went to the KAL airport manager (the same check-in dude) and politely asked him if he had heard of sequenced boarding and/or J boarding first … this dude has the nerve to tell me that Korean Airlines has a system wide policy NOT to give priority boarding at any airport outside Incheon. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Anyways, I took his name and moved on … as all I wanted at this point was my welcome drink. Boarding happens through outdoor gateways and I am welcomed on board the beautiful 332 by two FA’s in KE’s striking new uniform. I super appreciated the cold water bottles placed on our seat and the immediate welcome drink order. The aircraft cabin was hotter than the Sahara and its always not comforting when the engine starts giving out black smoke (see pic)!!! Apparently there was some engine issue. Throughout the whole thing, the pilot made no announcement on the smoke and never apologized for the subsequent hour long delay. Uugh. J load was around 60%.

Airport - External:

(Nadi Airport)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/001-1.jpg

Check-in:

(Super Chaotic)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/002-1.jpg

Airport - Internal:

(Check-in area)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/003-1.jpg

(FID)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/004-1.jpg

(Post security and immigration duty free)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/005-1.jpg

Scenes of the tarmac:

(FJ 744)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/006-1.jpg

(FJ 763 and 738 – the entire international fleet type)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/007-1.jpg

Lounge

(Entrance to the Tabua lounge)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/008-1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/009-1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/010-1.jpg

(A nice touch – a shower)


Boarding:

(Boarding area)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/012-1.jpg

(Chaotic boarding)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/013-1.jpg

III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
Drink at take-off. Hot towel post take-off. Brunch service and a lunch service.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
Korean’s 332 are configured in old style J seats. I can understand that lack of competition on primarily leisure routes such as NAN-ICN can lead to complacent cabin offerings … but these old style seats are also the norm on the 772’s that I flew on BKK-ICN and ICN-AKL routes which are long … and which I assume generates significant premium traffic.

The 332 is a beautiful aircraft and I am always impressed by the sense of space in the aircraft. KE has maintained the aircraft well – it was clean throughout and the bathrooms are especially well maintained. Alas, I wish I could say the same thing about the J class seats. For a 10 hour 45 minute flight, there is absolutely no reason why a “premium” airline cannot have flat beds in J. Why am I paying up the wall for these crappy seats? They are made of crappy cloth, and the recline is mediocre at best. The only saving grace was the super generous pitch. C’est la vie.

Aircraft:

(I LOVE KE’s colors)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/014-1.jpg

Views from Aircraft:

(No idea what the source of the smoke was)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/015-1.jpg

(Nadi airport)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/016-1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/018-1.jpg

(FJ)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/017-1.jpg

(Goodbye Fiji – interesting country – not my thing – I am not a fan of resort after resort after resort after …)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/019-1.jpg

Seat Leg-Room:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/020.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/021.jpg

Seat Recline + Angle View:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/022.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/023.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/024.jpg

Cabin:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/025.jpg

(Old school)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/0233.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/026.jpg

c) Meal + Beverage:
Korean Air had 2 meal services on this flight. A brunch service an hour after take-off, and a “lunch” service an hour or so before landing. Throughout the time, you can also avail of the snack bar located in the front galley for snacks and refreshments.

For my brunch (see menu for options), I had the fresh seasonal fruit accompanied by yoghurt. For my main course, I chose the rather filling Pork wonton noodle soup – which surprised me by the sheer quantity as well as the taste. Along with my soup, I had a rather stale croissant … but overall, a pretty decent meal that kept me filled until “lunch.”

In between the meals, and while watching IFE, I also was able to get some of the excellent KE guava juice and crackers … enough sugar to keep me going. An hour or so before arrival, “lunch” was served. This included an interesting asparagus and prosciutto roll – which was as unappealing as the weird shrimp pre-drink starter served by AC on its transpacific flights. Some airlines should just not experiment! Both the soup and the appetizer were good. Of course, one of the three main courses was the Korean “bibimpap” … and of course, I chose it. Uugh. Why do I fall for it each time? But seriously, as I have complained before, as much as I LOVE “Bibimpap”, I really hope KE got a little more creative with their food options. I have had “Bibimpap” on 10 KE J flights this year. Korean food is so diverse and there could be so many exciting things that Korean could present. Despite the unimaginative menu, the actual “Bibimpap” as always was excellent. Finishing it off, was a uninspired cheese trolley and a very limited dessert option. All in all, pretty good … but MUCH room for improvement.

(Welcome drink – refreshing guava)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/027.jpg

(Menu Options)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/042.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/043.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/044.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/045.jpg

(Brunch)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/028.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/029.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/030.jpg

(Lunch)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/031.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/032.jpg

(The famous BIBIMPAP)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/033.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/034.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/035.jpg

(Drinks at arrival – something with honey)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/036.jpg

d) Inflight Entertainment:

Old style uninspired IFE left me uninspired as well. Very limited selection of movies (10) played on loop is not my thing. Worse, the selection of movies were outdated, irrelevant, and just bad. Thankfully, I had my iPod and the always excellent MORNING CALM magazine which calmed from an overall poor product offering. And, what is up with the cheap headphones?

(Outdated IFE)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/037.jpg

(Outdated IFE controls)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/038.jpg

(Movie and snacks)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/039.jpg

(In-flight magazines, Boarding Passes, etc.)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/041.jpg

(Boarding Pass)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/040.jpg

e) Crew:
Probably the highlight of an otherwise mediocre flight. They were charming and radiant throughout and always willing to be on call. Best part is how they handled an interesting situation. So, in the seat in front of me was a super obnoxious drunk Australian who insisted on turning around and sitting on his chair and unfurling rather obscene language. The rather “docile FA’s tried to calm him down and were constantly talking to him and asking him to sit down and just handle things gently. Since he was on the seat in front of me and was bothering me most, I went up to him and basically told me if he didn’t shut up, I would file charges and have KE security wait for him at ICN. Clearly that freaked him out, and he restrained himself for the rest of the evening on the flight. The FA’s were “won over” my behaviour and I was treated like a “knight in shining armour” for the rest of the flight. Each of them came up and thanked me in the end. As a token of their appreciation, they made me a KE gift bag … which included all these cheesy gifts they give to children … but it was sweet and the thought is what matters.

IV> Post-Flight:

Touchdown in Incheon was perfect and I was soon waiting for my bags after clearing a super efficient immigration and disembarkation procedure.

(Landing in ICN haze)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/046.jpg

(ICN Traffic)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/047.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/048.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/049.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/050.jpg

(Both flights arriving from BKK)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/051.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/052.jpg

(ICN Arrivals)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/053.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/054.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/055.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/056.jpg

V> Impressions + Scores:

While cosmetic changes are underway, KE needs to operatinalize the new seats and IFE throughout their entire fleet. There is absolutely no reason to pay for a premium J seat if the seat itself is so poor. The almost 11 hour flight highlighted this deficiency and made their poor IFE arrangement stand out even more. Additionally, their menu needs to be changed and the Nadi ground handling manager needs to be fired. While the cabin crew made up for some of their overall shortcomings, it wasn’t enough to leave me convinced that KE is still an airline that can be taken seriously in Asia. Definitely would fly with them again … but they would not be my choice when far superior products exist in Asia … such as NH, OZ, JL, CX, MH, SQ, TG, 9W, etc.

1.0 > RESERVATION: 7.0
2.0 > CHECK-IN: 1.0
0.5 > LOUNGE: 6.0
0.5 > BOARDING: 1.0
2.0 > SEAT: 7.0
0.5 > AIRCRAFT OVERALL AMBIENCE: 8.0
1.0 > IFE: 6.0
2.0 > CREW: 9.0
2.0 > FOOD: 7.0
0.5 > BEVERAGES: 8.0
0.5 > A.KITS + OTHER FREEBIES: 7.0
0.5 > DISEMBARKATION: 9.0
1.0 > ON-TIME RECORD: 7.0
WEIGHTED OVERALL IMPRESSION (WOI): 6.25
(Pre-flight WOI of all reviews: 6.40)
* Weighted Overall Impression (WOI) aligns scores with what matters most. Weights are indicated alongside each category.

(Scores are based on comparison with other airlines in THAT class of service – No comparison of Y vs. F for example)

VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.70: KLM: EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)

VII> Other Pictures:

It has now become customary to share some other connected aviation images, and some images of the place I went to. Hope everyone enjoys!

(Random gifts complimentary of KE crew and the amenity kit)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/KE822/057.jpg


Live, and let live.
13 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3006 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32659 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Excellent trip report and pictures!

The old seats on the A330 are indeed a shame. The seats on the A330 are scheduled to be replaced with lie-flat ones by 2009-2010. Sorry to hear about the chaos at check-in too, it doesn't seem like KE has ground service down pat at certain airports...



The biggest mistake made by most human beings: Listening to only half, understanding just a quarter and telling double.
User currently offlineQantasA333 From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32411 times:

Another excellent TR from you! How many of KE's aircraft have been refitted with new interiors?

QantasA333


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3006 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32359 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR



Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 2):
How many of KE's aircraft have been refitted with new interiors?

AVOD, Old F class, New Business Class, New Economy Class
744 (11): HL7402, HL7404, HL7460, HL7461, HL7465, HL7473, HL7488, HL7489, HL7493, HL7494, HL7495

AVOD, New F class, New Business Class, New Economy Class
744 (6): HL7472, HL7487, HL7490, HL7491, HL7492, HL7498
772 (6): HL7733, HL7734, HL7743, HL7750, HL7751, HL7764 (Not yet delivered: HL7765, HL7766)



The biggest mistake made by most human beings: Listening to only half, understanding just a quarter and telling double.
User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32242 times:



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 3):
AVOD, Old F class, New Business Class, New Economy Class
744 (11): HL7402, HL7404, HL7460, HL7461, HL7465, HL7473, HL7488, HL7489, HL7493, HL7494, HL7495

AVOD, New F class, New Business Class, New Economy Class
744 (6): HL7472, HL7487, HL7490, HL7491, HL7492, HL7498
772 (6): HL7733, HL7734, HL7743, HL7750, HL7751, HL7764 (Not yet delivered: HL7765, HL7766)

Hoons90!
Thanks for the good info!
As I heard, HL7486 has been refitted with new interiors. (old F, New C&Y) Is it true?


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 32088 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Great report and selection of pictures as always, thanks, enjoyed as always.

Whilst clearly unimpressive in-flight product, at least you had a decent bunch of crew for the trip, none of those UA oap's that still fly!

ICN is an airport I'd like to visit, more from a spotting point of view.

Regards

Mark



111,732,3,4,5,7,8,BBJ,741,742,743,744,752,762,763,764,772,77L,773,77W,L15,D10,30,40,AB3,AB6,A312.313,319,320,321,332,333
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 31520 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Great Trip Report. Do you think it was wise to confront the drunk guy? Just a question, I'm not implying anything by it. It's just that with these types, you never know how they will react, and usually, they react badly. I suppose if they are bothering me, personally, I would act like you did. He should not have been allowed to board, in the first place.


MGGS
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 30603 times:



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 1):
Sorry to hear about the chaos at check-in too, it doesn't seem like KE has ground service down pat at certain airports...

= It was surprising as I have flown KE several times, and their ground staff is usually great.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
ICN is an airport I'd like to visit, more from a spotting point of view.

= ICN rocks. While I sentimentally miss SEL, ICN is an excellent hub.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):

Great Trip Report. Do you think it was wise to confront the drunk guy? Just a question, I'm not implying anything by it. It's just that with these types, you never know how they will react, and usually, they react badly. I suppose if they are bothering me, personally, I would act like you did. He should not have been allowed to board, in the first place.



Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 1):
Sorry to hear about the chaos at check-in too, it doesn't seem like KE has ground service down pat at certain airports...

= Ya. But I am not known for being passive  Smile. If he reacted badly, I was well prepared to press charges upon arrival. As they say in India, "only if your back is bent will someone jump over you, so stand up straight and you'll be fine."

Cheers and thanks for the comments,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 30446 times:

Again, awesome report. I really like the NAN tarmac pics, the lighting is very impressive. Keep em coming.

User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 30217 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
but they would not be my choice when far superior products exist in Asia ... such as NH, OZ, JL, CX, MH, SQ, TG, 9W, etc.

I'm pretty surprised that you think of OZ higher than KE. Is this predominately because of the lousy check in at NAN? I was under the impression that OZ was even farther behind in their cabin refurbishments than KE. Most of the Koreans I know prefer KE over OZ. Awesome trip report! I can't wait to see some more from your travels!



/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 30075 times:

Great TR! I always enjoy reading them!

I am glad you stood up for the crew. One of the signature lines on flyertalk is "We think Sir has had enough to drink." I apologize I forget whose it is, but saddly no one told it to this boor before it was beyond to late.

Was the ice cream the sweet in a J cabin??? Please tell me it was a snack! It looks to tacky to be in C!

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineDavico68 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 27262 times:

Great trip report! I love the new advertisement on American television and looked to see if anyone had posted any reports. It all makes me want to fly Korean Air. The in flight slipper package was tops with the small toy airplane, thanks for the report.
David


User currently offlinePuercaeli From South Korea, joined Sep 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26249 times:

I think KE really should upgrade their IFE as soon as they could.

They are getting behind the competition very very quickly...


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4267 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 26122 times:

Hi,
great supurb report!
About the smoke; you mention about the very high cabin temperature upon boarding. This might be because the APU system was broken? In those cases, aircraft engine startup will be done by use of an jetstarter. I've seen many jetstarters producing huge clouds of smoke when in use, so that's my guess in your case  Wink

The A332 is having a outdated cabin indeed! No way that this is on the same level with other carriers. I think until now KE also uses the A332 on European services. I think the airline might loose a lot of pax when they try the KE seats, and find out that KL and AF offer much better Skyteam quality. Although, from the winterschedule equipment on some European routes will be changed, e.g. ICN-AMS-MAD will be combined and see the B772.

Cheers,
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Korean Air KE 822: 24/OCT/07: NAN-ICN: J Cabin
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Trip reports only! Other topics here
  • If criticizing an airline, express yourself in a dignified manner.
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
Korean Air KE 702: 07/OCT/07: NRT-ICN: J Cabin posted Sat Mar 8 2008 15:28:34 by Abrelosojos
Pacific Sun FJ 5: 14/OCT/07: NAN-SUV: Y Cabin posted Sat Apr 5 2008 09:06:25 by Abrelosojos
Air India AI 601: 24/SEP/07: HYD-BOM: Y Cabin posted Thu Jan 3 2008 23:35:15 by Abrelosojos
Air Rarotonga GZ 612: 09/OCT/07: RAR-AIT: Y Cabin posted Sat Mar 8 2008 17:56:16 by Abrelosojos
CO Micronesia CS 892: 04/OCT/07: ROR-YAP: Y Cabin posted Wed Jan 30 2008 21:09:03 by Abrelosojos
JetLite S2 202: 24/SEP/07: BOM-GOI: Y Cabin posted Mon Jan 7 2008 21:06:51 by Abrelosojos
Go Air G8 376: 23/SEP/07: MAA-HYD: Y Cabin posted Thu Dec 27 2007 20:30:28 by Abrelosojos
Singapore Air SQ 415: 11/OCT/06: CCU-SIN: J Cabin posted Sun Nov 12 2006 16:46:40 by Abrelosojos
Alliance Air CD 7243: 08/OCT/06: CCU-IXA: Y Cabin posted Fri Oct 27 2006 07:11:07 by Abrelosojos
Air New Zealand NZ 47: 12/OCT/07: RAR-NAN: Y Cabin posted Wed Apr 2 2008 20:54:29 by Abrelosojos

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format