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Trijets Rule OK: Biman Bangladesh DC10-30  
User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22653 times:

…Biman has been facing serious troubles in maintaining flight schedules due to acute shortage of aircraft for quite some time.
Biman currently owns three types of aircraft — four McDonnell Douglas DC10-30s, four Fokker F28s, and three Airbus A310-300s… Of the 11 planes of Biman fleet, only four or five are now operational while the rest are grounded.


Daily Star, Dhaka, Bangladesh
30 May 2008





There are few certainties with traveling on Biman Bangladesh Airlines: one is that your flight will be delayed… assuming it’s not cancelled altogether. Once you’re mentally psyched up to face the delay – because it will happen – the rest is really a breeze. Making sure you take an extra day (or two, if you’re very prudent) off work and packing gear for camping overnight at the airport departure hall are the only essentials I can think of. Unless you want to get yourself unnecessarily stressed and bothered, don’t even think of complaining: it’ll do no good. As they say on some airlines, just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

Miss Ho, my very patient travel agent, already knows my travel quirks but this is strange, even for me. She leaves it to the last moment to issue my Singapore-to-Bangkok ticket “in case you change your mind.” (Miss Ho tells me how shocked she is to hear Biman’s very own appointed sales and ticketing agent in Singapore recommend flying TG instead!)

But I am determined traveler if nothing else. A day before the flight, my ticket gets churned out and so is news of my first delay. “Your flight has been retimed,” says Miss Ho. The best thing that can be said about the nine hour delay is that it’s anticipated. As delays on Biman go, this is of the middling variety: over the past week or so, BG085 has been running between 4 and 21 hours late.



Being thankful for small mercies, at least I am sitting at home comfortably monitoring the flight on my computer. In the morning it is nine hours late; by the afternoon, the flight is running thirteen hours behind schedule.



By the time I get to Singapore’s Changi Airport the next morning, the departure time has changed yet again. The queues for check-in are long but remarkably orderly despite the delay. No one shouts or makes a fuss. Sayed, who’s standing next in line to me with a Sony Wega TV, shrugs off his overnight wait at Changi with a laugh that seems to say: “it’s Biman, what do you expect?”



At check-in I am issued with a meal voucher. Unusually excited and a little hungry, I quickly make my way through immigration and upstairs where I follow a trail of Bangladeshi migrant workers to an aunty who seems to be missing her hawking days: “Biman here, Biman here, you can have one sandwich and a drink… Biman here, Biman here!”



The end result is not so impressive but it keeps one occupied for a little while.



If ever there was an airport you’d want to be stuck at in a delay, it’s Singapore Changi. There’s plenty to do, like catching the last minutes of the Holland-Romania match (Holland wins 2-0).



Or you can catch up on some correspondence – with a short detour to airliners.net – at the many available terminals, for free.



Walk a few steps, and there are more of those free internet terminals. No queues. This airport really does think of its users, and the many accolades are well deserved.



The plane from Dhaka has not landed yet but queues are already forming at the gate. Those of you familiar with Changi will no doubt notice that the carpeting here is identical to that of the new Terminal 3 – that’s because gate C1 at Terminal 1 forms the boundary between the two terminals. All three main terminals at Changi are inter-connected.



Low on Changi’s priority list of customers to please is the plane spotter. I so want to catch the arrival of the DC10 on camera but find it almost impossible to do. Eventually, I locate an outdoor cactus garden on the roof (well, which self-respecting airport doesn’t have one?) and brave the thorns to capture this blurry image.



Unsatisfied with the result, my quest for a picture feels a little like an obsession now. I scour the cactus garden and probably kill a couple of priceless plants in the process but nope, there’s no decent vantage point. As the DC10 disappears from view, I fly down two flights of stairs and sneak into the transfer desk area, where there’s a window – albeit tinted blue – that looks promising.

As I wait, camera ready in hand, for the trijet’s appearance, a strange scene unfolds on the tarmac below. A woman who seems to be carrying her shopping appears to be waiting for a ride home. I wonder if anyone told her taxis don’t normally come past this way.





Finally, the Biman DC10 peers its head from around the corner. Wow, I hadn’t seen one of these for a very long time – let alone fly on one!



Meanwhile, the poor woman on the tarmac finally decides to go elsewhere to hail a cab. Evidently she wasn’t planning to catch a DC10 home.



Heading towards gate C1: S2-ACR at 20 years old is the youngest DC10-30 in Biman’s fleet. It’s already 8.55 am and there’s no way this baby will be turned around in 20 minutes so I’m expecting another delay to the retimed schedule of 9.15 am. Yup, that’s the fourth delay to this flight.





Singapore – Bangkok
Biman Bangladesh Airlines flight BG 085
Dep. 1016 Arr. 1140 – arrives 15 hours late, but at least we get there  trophy 
DC10-30 S2-ACR
18 June 2008

The gate area is packed. Everyone is already there, and sporadic queues (I don’t know what for) have started to form in various parts of the lounge.



There’s a much better view of the plane from the gate. Outwardly, this bird still looks pretty good, doesn’t she?



A classic trijet at the gate: unlike the boringly efficient twins of today, this plane has character! The DC10 will also always have a special place in my heart – it was the first widebody I flew as a kid.



Half an hour after our retimed departure time, we are invited to board. Watching the boarding process for BG085, you would not have guessed this was for a seriously delayed flight. Passengers queue quietly, and behave with incredible restraint and much polite decorum. (A passenger is taken off the plane in handcuffs but that too is handled without fuss – almost like an everyday occurrence.)



As we near door 2L, the childhood memories come flooding back. I remember being fascinated by the automated DC10 doors (the Tristar had a similar mechanism too) that disappear into the fuselage when open. It was the stuff of space ships and science fiction, and the motorized sound of a closing DC10 door then always marked the start of a real adventure. Nowadays, the only reason I notice doors is for the extra legroom it provides: how times have changed.



A senior looking steward is at the door. A nod and smile which pass for civility at these occasions is standard, and yet my attempt to create some sort of rapport is met with a grunt and a cold push down the aisle. “Seat 35A, go that way.” I’d been snubbed.

Never mind, I thought, I still have pictures I can take as we move slowly down the aisle. I start snapping. But even that is put to an end when another steward shouting from the opposite aisle starts with: “Hello! Hello! Hey you… hello… no photo!”

I am not entirely certain there’s a no photography rule on Biman (and of course, I conveniently forget the warning when he’s out of sight) but I suspect he’s more concerned that his photo isn’t taken.



The front cabin is full but my seat is in the next cabin, among the last few rows in the plane. It is emptier at this end, and I later discover that the dozen passengers headed for Bangkok are all seated in this segment. Everyone else packed 9-abreast up front are Dhaka-bound. Here’s my window seat with an empty seat next to me:



The many empty seats here are jealously guarded by two fierce looking stewards (with the exception of two sari-clad hosties, every other crew member is male). Passengers from up front brave enough to walk down the aisle to look for some extra room are shooed away with words, and sometimes brute force: “You go back… Bangkok (conversation continues in Bengali)… already four, five passengers come here…” In other words, get lost these seats are reserved for Bangkok-boarding passengers only; and we’re equally rude to everyone else, not just you.



The passengers – mostly Bangladeshi migrant workers – may not be the most savvy of travelers but they’re a decent bunch. The crews, on the other hand, employ thuggish crowd control techniques and don’t make requests – they bark orders: “hello, you sit down,” and “hello, toilet closed now!”
[This is of particular interest to me. Everyone has his/her biased way of rating airlines, and mine is based on how well (or more usually badly) an airline treats the most inexperienced and least empowered travelers like migrant workers. After all, you’ve a pretty good chance of decent service if you look rich or educated, but the real test, I feel, is in the treatment of those passengers who aren’t likely to be frequent flier members or demand their rights at the boarding gate.]



I finally get the chance to sit back and enjoy my surroundings. The DC10 still feels spacious with its large windows and ample headroom (it’s not just the misplaced impressions of a smaller, shorter and younger me); hard to believe it’s a 40-year old design. The retro flowery panels and seats and dirty, stained windows however inject a large dose of the ‘now’ reality.



As pre-takeoff drinks are served (plain water poured from a jug), we push back at 10.16 am, fifteen hours late – but really, who’s counting? There’s firstly a hiss, then a comfortable little hum emanating from the CF6 above us as we taxi: it’s a nice reassuring sound. With no further delays, we’re soon set for a powerful take off. It’s a short 2 hour leg to Bangkok.



As we level off, I explore my surroundings further. Still a little concerned that I should not be taking any pictures, I cautiously capture those objects closest to me. Like the entire contents of my seat pocket:



The arm rest has controls you don’t see a lot of these days, but they’re only for show. I push the light switch and pull the crew call button – nothing happens. I would guess the IFE is non operational too.



The life vest is not located under your seat but on the seat back.



I am intrigued by the sheer number of A.net members who have posted knee photos on their trip reports. Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!” pic. Joining the club today, what more can I say but: here are my knees! (Be sure to catch next week’s episode: “Elbows!”)



The flight is relatively uneventful until the distinct smell of cigarette smoke wafts from the aft toilets. As the obvious culprit, a youngish chap, walks back to his seat, the fearsome stewards guarding the back galley hunt him down and march him back aft. He is given a stern lecture in Bengali while we watch: imagine a teacher reprimanding his student… I was almost expecting a public caning! The passenger having understood the gravity of his actions, is eventually released to return to his seat with his head drooped in shame.

Breakfast is served shortly after and I am disappointed it’s a rather bland omelet. I had been hoping for a tasty Bengali curry.



Being able to fly on a DC10 again is a luxury. In fact, it is already rarer than flying on an A380. I try to savor the moments – this could be my last flight. Many have criticized the oldness of designs of the DC10 (and MD11 its successor). Granted, the interior of a DC10 may be a little dated and less sleek compared to today’s twins, but is it so different? The composite materials used may be lighter and more advanced today but the design aspects are familiar. Ahead of me I see a cabin that’s wide, ceilings that are tall and seemingly less claustrophobic than on current day Airbus A330/A340s and a generally nice environment. I am sitting on a seat that isn’t less comfortable than on today’s planes – and one that I wouldn’t mind flying 18 hours in if Biman hadn’t refitted the cabin with the snug legroom fit of an LCC. The only things obviously missing are the fancy audio visual distractions which you find on the newer planes. Has so much really changed in 40 years?



All too soon we are descending into a wet Bangkok Suvarnabhumi in rainy season Thailand. Time to get back to reality, and return to work. Sad



Thanks for reading.

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User currently offlineHenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22633 times:

Fun report. Good read.

You can fly MD-11s for some years to come on KLM if you're interested.



Wherever you go, there you are!
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22624 times:

Probably the wittiest and most attention keeping trip report I've ever read on a.net. Stuff like this should be published. A true treasure and such a rare trip report that won't soon be forgotten.

This made my night! Thanks....



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22610 times:

Yoo hoo... Another guaranteed good read coming from the master himself...

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
BG085 has been running between 4 and 21 hours late.

Good grief... Why does this airline even survive till today is anyone's guess.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
I quickly make my way through immigration and upstairs where I follow a trail of Bangladeshi migrant workers to an aunty who seems to be missing her hawking days: %u201CBiman here, Biman here, you can have one sandwich and a drink%u2026 Biman here, Biman here!%u201D

This auntie is probably so used to handling delays for BG that this is 2nd nature to her already.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
As I wait, camera ready in hand, for the trijet’s appearance, a strange scene unfolds on the tarmac below. A woman who seems to be carrying her shopping appears to be waiting for a ride home.

WTF? A Japanese tourist lost in translation who ended up on the tarmac? On closer inspection, she is actually wearing an airport pass...

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
A passenger is taken off the plane in handcuffs but that too is handled without fuss – almost like an everyday occurrence.

Air rage even before the plane got air borne? Or did they finally nab Mas Selamat trying to pass off as a migrant worker?

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
The passengers – mostly Bangladeshi migrant workers – may not be the most savvy of travelers but they’re a decent bunch. The crews, on the other hand, employ thuggish crowd control techniques and don’t make requests – they bark orders: “hello, you sit down,” and “hello, toilet closed now!”

I think I can hypothesise the situation. The cabin crew belong to some of the country's wealthier caste whereas it is the opposite for these migrant workers who are from the villages outside of Dhaka. And hence, the treatment you see with the FA barking orders at servants rather than serving passengers.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
I am intrigued by the sheer number of A.net members who have posted knee photos on their trip reports. Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!” pic. Joining the club today, what more can I say but: here are my knees! (Be sure to catch next week’s episode: “Elbows!”)

LOL.... Hilarious... I am one platinum member of the KNEES club so welcome! *double kiss of each cheek* I thought that TR's pitch was bad but BG's seems tight beyond disgusting... Or are your legs really that long?

By the way, regarding the inflight meal - Alexandra Hospital serves better food to their patients.

Cheers
Ryan



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22579 times:

Hi

very nicely written report. You're very much into details. Thanks!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
There’s plenty to do, like catching the last minutes of the Holland-Romania match (Holland wins 2-0).

Hollands next match, against Russia, wasn't fun anymore  Sad

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!” pic. Joining the club today, what more can I say but: here are my knees!

LOL! Welcome  Silly

OK, flying the DC-10 would be awesome!, but with such an attitude of the crew, I couldn't stay calm. Good thing that I'm not onboard this airline. I think, that with this level of 'service', an airline as BG should not be allowed to fly at all anymore, especially not on such international routes.

Thanks for the report, really enjoyed it!

 wave 



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22501 times:

What can I say... certainly worth the wait. So when are you churning out your next TR?

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
[This is of particular interest to me. Everyone has his/her biased way of rating airlines, and mine is based on how well (or more usually badly) an airline treats the most inexperienced and least empowered travelers like migrant workers. After all, you’ve a pretty good chance of decent service if you look rich or educated, but the real test, I feel, is in the treatment of those passengers who aren’t likely to be frequent flier members or demand their rights at the boarding gate.]

Hear hear... I agree completely with this observation. It's a given that First and Business class passengers are treated by the FAs like potential sugar-daddies/mummies or prospective well to do mates.

For me, the mark of a good airline, or rather one that bothers, is how they treat their Y class passengers (me!), and what amenities are given to the cattles at the back, or how their "hosties" (I like this word...so politically incorrect, so apt) personalize their service delivery.

For this, many Asian carriers stand out. No prizes for guessing which is my personal favorite. When CX or BA reserved AVODs for the upper classes, SQ's cattle class beings were already enjoying watching Forrest Gump run backwards... and which airline hosties offer so much cleavage for the enjoyment of the deprived straight male passenger??!! Only on SQ I say...  Wink

Ok back to BG... loved the colorful seat covers, and those wallpapers! I'm sure the inflight service would have been totally different if the aircraft was packed with non-bangladeshi workers.



There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22424 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 5):
and which airline hosties offer so much cleavage for the enjoyment of the deprived straight male passenger??!! Only on SQ I say...

You deprived? Oh you are so not fooling anyone...

[Edited 2008-06-25 03:17:34]


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User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22416 times:

Airpearl, I just love your sense of humour. Nealry died laughing at your observation of the chick tring to hail a bus/cab airside. She did realy look like she was wanting to go home after shopping! Hilarious.

You know, guys like you reporting on trips like us are lifesavers! I'm just not game enough to fly the dodgey Biman, so it's world we rarely ever see. Sammy Chui also does these exotic reports and I enjoy them immensely. The cabin sure looks almost rustic and very retro. Don't think people fly them at all for their service.
The last time I flew a sub-continental airline was PIA around 10 years ago from Karachi to Lahore on a very old 742. I had a window seat and when I sat down into the well worn seat and gazed out the window, I noticed the view was a little blurred. On closer inspection, there was a large slab or someone's dried mucous and snot smeared on the window....stuck there because it had dried out completely. It made for a particularly uncomfortable 2 and a half hours!

Well done and keep up the great trip reports!

Cheers,

Qantasclub



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22203 times:

Was there any business class - or was it all economy? I am just looking at doing this flight myself (in J class after reading your report lol) - but cannot see any fares.

User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22162 times:

haha great read and nice pictures!

BritPilot777



Forever Flight
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2050 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21981 times:

Thanks for sharing. Didn't know you could fly Biman between SIN and BKK. I'm going to Bangkok for a weekend in mid September, so I might choose them just for the fun of flying an old jet.

How much was the ticket? I was thinking of booking the usual LX flight which is around SGD250.

And where can I book it? I'd be great if you could point me to a travel agency in Singapore.

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: VA SYD-CBR-SYD | QF SYD-DFW | AA DFW-TLH-MIA-DFW | QF DFW-SYD
User currently offlineSIN7 From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 21929 times:

Wow . . . we all must have been well behaved to be given such an awesome mid-week treat! What an outstanding TR and pics.
One of my favorites of all time!
Many thanks!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
The DC10 will also always have a special place in my heart . . .

Yep, Yep, who can forget the Lockheed Tristar too ya?

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
The retro flowery panels and seats . . .

After looking at the cabin pics, flower fabric seats, my gut tells me this a/c used to be SQ's. Am I right?

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
a cabin that's wide, ceilings that are tall and seemingly less claustrophobic than on current day Airbus A330/A340s and a generally nice environment

Oh YES !!! Never a keen on these two a/c.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
two sari-clad hosties,

I was hopping you managed to snap a short of them. What did they do on the flight?
Were they as brute to the passengers too?

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
The cabin crew belong to some of the country's wealthier caste whereas it is the opposite for these migrant workers who are from the villages outside of Dhaka. And hence, the treatment you see with the FA barking orders at servants rather than serving passengers.

Same situation on PIA too.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
Breakfast is served shortly after and I am disappointed it's a rather bland omelet. I had been hoping for a tasty Bengali curry.

The original flight should have a spicy option as it was a 7pm dinner flight per BG weekly schedule. This breakfast must have been quickly assembled from whatever was available in the kitchen for the new breakfast flight. The earlier dinner meals prepared would have been disposed.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
Quoting SQ772 (Reply 5):
and which airline hosties offer so much cleavage for the enjoyment of the deprived straight male passenger??!! Only on SQ I say...

You deprived? Oh you are so not fooling anyone...

Ha, ha, ha . . . You both are hilarious  rotfl 


User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21832 times:

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Hey guys, thanks for your comments. You know I fly these airlines just for your amusement, don't you?  Wink

Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 1):
You can fly MD-11s for some years to come on KLM if you're interested.

If only I could! I'd love to try one some day... a long multi-stop South American run would be just right!

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
This made my night!

Glad it did, and many thanks for your nice words.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
Or did they finally nab Mas Selamat trying to pass off as a migrant worker?

Hahaha, yeah that's it. He would have chosen better than Biman I think... this was an immigration offence, my guess fake passport



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
the treatment you see with the FA barking orders at servants rather than serving passengers.

I think you could be right there... it really was condescending

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
LOL.... Hilarious... I am one platinum member of the KNEES club so welcome! *double kiss of each cheek* I thought that TR's pitch was bad but BG's seems tight beyond disgusting... Or are your legs really that long?

Well, thank you! And yes, the BG pitch is worse than TR.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 4):
Hollands next match, against Russia, wasn't fun anymore

Sorry man.. I was rooting for Holland as the champs too Sad

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 5):
which airline hosties offer so much cleavage for the enjoyment of the deprived straight male passenger??!! Only on SQ I say...

Seeing Ryanair's comments... I am now intrigued!

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 7):
On closer inspection, there was a large slab or someone's dried mucous and snot smeared on the window....stuck there because it had dried out completely. It made for a particularly uncomfortable 2 and a half hours!

Oh yuck, that can't have been nice at all!

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 8):
Was there any business class - or was it all economy?

They're selling only Y Class - in fact this aircraft is configured all Y, to my surprise.

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 9):
haha great read

Glad you liked it.

Quoting Coal (Reply 10):
How much was the ticket? I was thinking of booking the usual LX flight which is around SGD250.
And where can I book it? I'd be great if you could point me to a travel agency in Singapore.

It's more expensive than LX because they're not selling special fares, that's according to Biman. In fact, they do have them, but it's still more expensive. I gather they're not to keen to sell tickets to BKK. Will check with Ms Ho and revert to you on the SIN agent that handles Biman.

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 11):
After looking at the cabin pics, flower fabric seats, my gut tells me this a/c used to be SQ's. Am I right?

If I am not mistaken, this is one of those that was delivered directly to Biman

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 11):
I was hopping you managed to snap a short of them. What did they do on the flight?
Were they as brute to the passengers too?

They were serving the front cabins, probably a bit nicer than the guys but not by much... I passed one as I was boarding and showed her my boarding pass (ok I was trying to play the lost pax so I'd build some rapport), she didn't even look at it and pushed it aside!


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21807 times:

Thanks for an amazing and excellent TR. I think this is one of the best I have read in a while.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
[This is of particular interest to me. Everyone has his/her biased way of rating airlines, and mine is based on how well (or more usually badly) an airline treats the most inexperienced and least empowered travelers like migrant workers. After all, you’ve a pretty good chance of decent service if you look rich or educated, but the real test, I feel, is in the treatment of those passengers who aren’t likely to be frequent flier members or demand their rights at the boarding gate.]

= You and me think EXACTLY alike. In my book, a society should be judged by how it takes care of its least fortunate; a date by how she/he talks to the wait staff; and an airline by how they take care of their least fortunate passengers. Using the last criteria is primarily why I stop flying Emirates and most other Gulf airlines (I make this distinction because MEA, Syrian, Iranair are totally different). Emirates is especially horrible with the way their flight crew treats migrant laborers. Dubai has been built on their backs, and its time they are shown some gratitude. Of course, they might not understand how to behave, but there is a classy way of making someone understand than scolding and barking. Kudos for you to recognize this!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
I am intrigued by the sheer number of A.net members who have posted knee photos on their trip reports. Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!” pic. Joining the club today, what more can I say but: here are my knees! (Be sure to catch next week’s episode: “Elbows!”)

= Guilty as charged. I am very much part of this club  Smile.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 21703 times:

I really am disappointed I never got to catch their JFK-BRU-DAC service. Their NYC agent offered me business round tirp to BRU for like $900.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21547 times:



Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
As we near door 2L, the childhood memories come flooding back. I remember being fascinated by the automated DC10 doors (the Tristar had a similar mechanism too) that disappear into the fuselage when open. It was the stuff of space ships and science fiction

I think the Trident 2 possibly pioneered this - although they were manually 'slid' into the upper fuselage. If not the Trident 2, something else British, I think!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
I am intrigued by the sheer number of A.net members who have posted knee photos on their trip reports. Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!” pic. Joining the club today, what more can I say but: here are my knees! (Be sure to catch next week’s episode: “Elbows!”)

I've never taken a 'knee shot' in any of my reports (I don't think...) but please allow me to comment on yours: You have very thin legs  Wink

Many thanks for sharing this report. I enjoyed reading it. I took the NW option for my first DC-10 flight but am still tempted to take a flight on BG for the DC-10 & F28. Maybe even the gaudy ex-NW B747-200 they're operating too.


User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21483 times:

Wow another blockbuster...

I loved loved loved the DC-10 back when I was more obsessed with planes although the A300B4 was my first. I didn't fly on a DC-10 until 1999; in fact, didn't fly much of anything until 1993. Thank heavens for NW, without whom I would never have experienced this classic trijet (nor the DC-9). Now, if DL had kept a few L-1011 Tristars...

Hats off to you for braving BG... I don't think I'm zen enough to do that. What's your next adventure? An Illyushin or a Tupolev perhaps?

... and those are some photogenic knees. Have they ever considered a career in modelling?
 biggrin 


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21433 times:

Interesting TR! I flew the DC10 when I was 12, in 1996 with Air Liberté, it is indeed a spacious bird, but now, so outdated!


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 21281 times:

Great entertaining report! Indeed it's such a pity to see the tri-jets go. Actually I had already said goodbye to the DC-10s on NWA, but who knows, Biman would be worth a ride. The seat design alone is an attraction.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
The crews, on the other hand, employ thuggish crowd control techniques and don’t make requests – they bark orders: “hello, you sit down,” and “hello, toilet closed now!”

Wow, what an arrogant attitude!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
Still a little concerned that I should not be taking any pictures, I cautiously capture those objects closest to me. Like the entire contents of my seat pocket:

Well, the question is: Were those airsickness bags produced with brown paper or did the paper turn brown over the last two decades on that DC-10?  Wink

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
I am intrigued by the sheer number of A.net members who have posted knee photos on their trip reports. Most members may be too shy to expose their faces or reveal their names, but will happily submit a “here are my knees!”

Come on, it's not about the knees, but the thighs...  Wink

Seriously, the seat pitch looks horrible, that even beats what Meridiana has to offer on the MD-82.

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
As the obvious culprit, a youngish chap, walks back to his seat, the fearsome stewards guarding the back galley hunt him down and march him back aft. He is given a stern lecture in Bengali while we watch: imagine a teacher reprimanding his student… I was almost expecting a public caning! The passenger having understood the gravity of his actions, is eventually released to return to his seat with his head drooped in shame.

Priceless!  Smile


PH



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User currently offlineSq_eK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 21071 times:

Great report! Having had to fly to Dhaka almost on a weekly basis for a time a few years ago, I've flown on all types of the BG fleet - the DC 10, A310 and F-28. The most harrowing of my experiences with them were on their completely run down F-28s, but I've had much actually scarier times on their A310s and DC10s, and from memory I have never been on a BG flight that left on time, with the most delayed flight of the lot being over 24 hours. A quick search of the forum will render my old trip reports on BG where I experienced an emergency landing on one occasion, and further delays on other occasions.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 12):
Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
Breakfast is served shortly after and I am disappointed it's a rather bland omelet. I had been hoping for a tasty Bengali curry.



Quoting Airpearl (Reply 12):
The original flight should have a spicy option as it was a 7pm dinner flight per BG weekly schedule. This breakfast must have been quickly assembled from whatever was available in the kitchen for the new breakfast flight. The earlier dinner meals prepared would have been disposed.

Be glad that they switched out the meals from the previous night! When I flew between Dhaka and Kathmandu, I had gotten used to the curry they served on the way out and the tea pastries/muffins they served on the way back (apt given the timing of the flights). It was obvious on one occasion when we experienced a 21 hour delay that the meals hadn't been switched and the pastries served on the flight were stale beyond belief!

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
I'm sure the inflight service would have been totally different if the aircraft was packed with non-bangladeshi workers.

Ryanair!!!'s statement couldn't be more true - I was always blatantly treated much better than any of the Bengali passengers that seemed to be migrant workers, even to the extent of making me feel uncomfortable with it. Expats and wealthier Bangladeshis were also usually seated towards the front of the aircraft I noticed, especially on flights ex Dhaka. A majority of my experiences with BG were on Business Class, and at times I was the only passenger in J (back then even their DC10s had Business seating), and the service was always very nice.

With that, I couldn't agree more about your philosophy of judging an airline, and I'd agree with B772's assesment of SQ, and not only because my significant other workers for them as cabin crew. And I'd have to further agree with Abrelosojos about EK's service in the Y cabin; for the most part, the hardware is there, but the software is distinctly lacking, which is why I have avoided EK of late. I truly hate seeing that disparity in service, and I'm really glad you pointed it out in your travel philosophy!

Great report, glad to have read another BG report out here, its been a while! Though I'll never fly them again (for the sake of my sanity), it did bring back memories!



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 21003 times:

Another masterpiece. Certainly different material to work with than you previous report (CX F!!!) but it made for an equally enjoyable report to read!

Quoting Airpearl (Thread starter):
A woman who seems to be carrying her shopping appears to be waiting for a ride home. I wonder if anyone told her taxis don’t normally come past this way.

When my wife and I landed at SIN from NRT we found about two dozen women hiding in the shade underneath the jetbridge eating food!!  biggrin  Maybe this woman was heading out for a takeaway to bring back to the ladies??



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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1680 posts, RR: 65
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 20779 times:
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Hi AirPearl

There shouldn't be any problems taking photo or recording video onboard Biman, in fact if you made yourself known to the FA or Pilots, they will be mostly accomadating.

I still think the only Biman ontime flight was mine, DC-10 BG057 Dhaka to Rome via Jeddah , on S2-ACR as well.  Smile
Not sure you've read mine
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/92446/

I believe they have taken away the Business Class seating in the front section of the DC-10? Can you confirm that?

Very lovely reports from you (and the CX, and few others) sadly I don't have time to write and post anymore....  Sad


Sam


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 20690 times:

One of the best TR's I have read here. Thanks a bunch.
I miss the DC-10s, the sounds and the wings.
I also love the inside of this plane, what a nice design taste with an ethnic flavor.


User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 20578 times:

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Thanks for comments guys. I’m glad to see so many of you share my love for the DC10. It's one special plane. Many apologies for the succinct responses and for not replying to everyone. I really do appreciate all your comments but I’m now in place with a devilishly slow internet connection!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 13):
= You and me think EXACTLY alike.

 cool 

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
You have very thin legs



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 13):
Guilty as charged. I am very much part of this club



Quoting Econojetter (Reply 16):
... and those are some photogenic knees. Have they ever considered a career in modelling?



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
Come on, it's not about the knees, but the thighs...

Guys, this is getting to be a slightly unhealthy interest for a group of plane enthusiasts, isn't it? hahaha

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
Biman would be worth a ride. The seat design alone is an attraction.

There are very limited routes that the DC10 now flies... so you have to choose carefully. Europe is served by A310s only I believe.

Quoting Sq_eK_freak (Reply 19):
A quick search of the forum will render my old trip reports on BG



Quoting N178UA (Reply 21):
Not sure you've read mine

Guys, your trip reports were what interested me to fly Biman - it's such a unique experience today that I had to do it! Thank you!

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
Certainly different material to work with than you previous report (CX F!!!)

Yes indeed, quite a difference!

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
Maybe this woman was heading out for a takeaway to bring back to the ladies??

LOL hahaha

Quoting N178UA (Reply 21):
I believe they have taken away the Business Class seating in the front section of the DC-10? Can you confirm that?

Yes Business Class seats are gone, it's all Y now.


User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 20482 times:

WOW!

You flew Biman!!!! ...How fabulous!

The only way to smoothly get by a long delay, especially one that is expected of certain airlines, is to kick back, relax, and enjoy it.

The interior does not look bad at all, or perhaps it is your super pics.

I love trijets myself, and for one of the reasons you do too; those electronic doors that slide up at the touch of a button when opening!

I would kill to fly one today, especially a TriStar  Smile Smile Smile

Thanks a lot for sharing! .. Gosh, i wonder what'll you fly next?

Keep them coming!
Roni



A Stop Away From One-Stop, Is Non-Stop : Airbus A340-500
25 Khaleej777 : Hi Airpearl, Thanks for a great trip report. One of the best I've read - fantastic, witty writing. Amazing BG even bother with the inconvenience of ha
26 TUGMASTER : QUALITY.....!!!!! filler filler filler
27 Netdhaka : Thanks for the report. I think that Biman should have been sold off or let go off. I don't think airlines like this should be allowed to stay in Busin
28 Tsentsan : Great report! May I know how much the ticket costs? Hmm seems like a good way to spend some of my excess leave
29 EIRules : Hey excellent trip report. Great to see so any pictures of such an historic aircraft, even if the airline itself isn't quite so grand. Well done again
30 Loran : Great TR! Any Info how long the DC-10's are scheduled to fly with BG? Wiki says 2012-15, but hard to imagine they will fly for another 4-7 years. Did
31 Post contains links Econojetter : Congratulations to Biman Bangladesh Airlines... http://www.sqtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=61229&postcount=21 "The KLIA Awards are presented annually
32 CF-CPI : A great read, like a novel: filled with irony, class struggle, and social commentary! The pictures are priceless, like a time capsule. The retro desig
33 Ojas : Airpearl, your TR came at the right time when me and my friend have booked our tickets on the SIN - BKK leg on the DC-10. Well we are all prepared to
34 Brilondon : Thanks for bringing back memories of my experience with Biman. I flew the DC-10 back to LHR and as you thoroughly enjoyed it. As for those who can't s
35 OA260 : Excellent report. Id love to do that trip. Always wanted to fly BG even with the lack of customer service and delays. Enjoy it while you can it will s
36 FLIEGER67 : Hi, Airpearl, what an enjoyable read, thanx for posting. It´s really hard to catch such an special machine like the D10 nowadays. Especially the inte
37 NWOrientDC10 : I agree with the first statement. Also, my first trip on a widebody (as a UM) was also on a DC-10, a Northwest Orient DC-10. I was also fascinated by
38 DCA-ROCguy : I'll just echo the chorus--thank you, Airpearl, for a fascinating trip report about a very exotic (from an American viewpoint) airline. The DC-10 was
39 Mxp : A wonderful TR i am seriously thinking to fly BG next october as i will spend probabily my next holidays in that area. I want to do Bkk to Sin with dc
40 Post contains images SQ772 : KLIA just awarded Biman the "Foreign Carrier of the Year".... I guess for its colorful interiors and consistency in being 'off' time all the time. Wel
41 Airpearl : This is just so NUTS! Yeah, little did I know I was flying on KLIA's Foreign Carrier of the Year! Wow.
42 Ryanair!!! : Hate to say this but KLIA's cedibilility has serious been eroded by awarding this trophy to BG. Are they so happy that BG's passengers spend the MOST
43 BA319-131 : Great report and pictures, really enjoyed the trip, never seen such a long delay, just amazing!! Still hate the seat fabric design though! Regards Mar
44 9W748Capt : Great report! I remember my first and only DC-10 flight quite fondly as well (AMS-BOM on NW). There's just something unique about that bird that the A
45 Infodesk : A fascinating insight into a ride on the DC-10 and very amusing as well. Imagine a 15 hour delay here...passengers running riot, screaming for voucher
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