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JFK-DKR-JNB On SAA W/pics  
User currently offlineSshank From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18864 times:

This was a long planned trip that has had at least two false starts. Finally, it was time to really go. Even the pesky Botswana visa finally arrived in time. As I made it to JFK from PHL (JFK should easily win the most inaccessable airport in the US award), I was excited - this was really happening. Soon enough it was back to reality as I made my way to Terminal 4 - the SA check in area was a big mess. All systems were down and the staff looked thoroughly confused with supervisors looking even more flummoxed. There were a bunch of DKR bound passengers who seem to have come in with everthing they own (including their neighbour's kitchen sink), all wrapped in saran wrap (it seems to be the latest fad among Africa bound passengers).


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Eventually they figured out a way to get things going and I had my boarding pass.



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As I walked to the gate I saw ZS-SXE (A340-300e) bring prepped for the long haul.
You can spot the AI 77L in the background.


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Eventually boarding commenced for the 5:20 PM departure and we pushed back more or less on time. This is rush hour at JFK and it we would be taking the scenic route to 13R. We crawl past the other AI 77L.


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After what seemed like days we finally make it to 13R - you can see the Jetblue Embraer just starting its roll.


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The line up behind us for 13R - included world beaters such as Air Berlin, Air Tahiti Nui and Aerosvit.

Finally we were airborne about an hour after we pushed back and the crew began the dinner service. SA wines were on the menu and were surprisingly good.

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The AVML appetizer!

After an efficient dinner service - it was time to relax a bit. The AVML catering out of JFK was good though not exceptional in any way, and service on this leg was professional (the service on the return was only adequate). The SA business class seat is among the best, the flat bed being a true lie flat - but the multiple segments of the seat that make up the bed do not all line up quite the way one would like - and I feel I slept better on the narrower and (alteast on paper) inferior BA club seat. In any case, you really can get too comfortable because by the time your body goes to sleep - it is time to begin the descent to DKR. We pulled into a corner of the DKR airport apron at a local time of 5:00 AM and a New York time of 2:00 AM for what is essentially a fuel stop.


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Looking out at DKR via the door 2L.

There is a cabin and flight crew change and the flight deck was abuzz with activity. The stop is billed as a one hour fuel stop - however, passengers are off-loaded and on this particular day there seemed to be a bunch of DKR bound passengers.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/sshanka/SA_343e-1.jpg I used this time to talk to the flight crew who were a very friendly bunch. SAA 340s have a sleeper bunk right behind the cockpit for the relief pilot - and it looked pretty comfy.

There was a mix up with catering and 2 hours later we were still in Dakar. We had a full business class cabin and only 22 meals. We were short 14 and frantic gesturing takes place and a call to catering. Food trays are counted and recounted. Then we have the entrees and not enough desserts - so another call to catering.


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Well, by now quite bright and its going to be hot and muggy day in Dakar.

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Another view of the Léopold Sédar Senghor International Airport at Dakar - said to be a strong contender for the Worst Airport in the World title. The touts and hustlers there are supposedly among the best in the business. I suppose that's the reason SA does not allow passengers to disembark (a real pity though in my opinion).


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We finally get our meal situation all sorted out and we head north on runway 36. A view of Dakar as we pick up altitude in a leisurely manner - this is after all a 343.


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In a little while its time for lunch, the food was well - ok I guess, and by then I was quite famished and I finished the meal in short order.


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We make landfall over Africa for a second time - this time south of Luanda over Angola.


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We have made up some time and a little before 5 PM over Gabarone, Botswana we start our descent to JNB. The setting winter sun casts a golden glow as we line up for arrival on 21L.


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A few minutes past 5:30 and about 18 hours after we left JFK, we touch down on 21L and taxi past a slew of european carriers to the gate.

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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18704 times:

Loved the pics - thanks for this SA Linhas Aereas">TR!

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
SA wines were on the menu and were surprisingly good.

maybe not that surprising since RSA has an ideal climate an excellent soils for all kinds of grapes - in fact AFAIK the wine industry in RSA was much more established and recognised ahead of other 'New World' wine producing countries, but trade embargoes and lack of importers, especially into the US, meant that they never reached the mass market until recently.

In fact, I have a vague recollection from the Vergelegen Estate tour that vines were brought from France by the escaping Hugenots who made up a significant portion of the colonial immigrant population, so in some ways could claim to be an 'Old World' wine producer!


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17882 times:
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Thankyou for the interesting report.
Was SA's catering for J done in multiple courses or just a one tray affair?

How's SA's amentity kit?


User currently offlineHAIRyBUS From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17793 times:

Nice TR! Did you fly SA to GBE? I was in GBE last year, but flew a rather long way across Europe to get there. GBE has a rather interesting airport. Enjoy your stay in JNB/Gabs!

[Edited 2008-07-23 07:00:25]

[Edited 2008-07-23 07:01:12]

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17460 times:
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Nice report and pictures thanks.

The service seems a little improved over previous SA Linhas Aereas">TR's though SAA still seems like a carrier with work to do.

The meal service lacks detail, can I assume it was a course by course affair?

As per LHRBFSTrident, SA has perfect conditions for wine production, I'd expect the national carrier to serve up a decent choice.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16810 times:

Wow, cool! Great report. Thanks for sharing your opinions and pictures sshank  Smile

I have always been intrigued by South African Airways and would like to try their product, especially if it is the premium, long haul service! Plus, I really want to go to Cape Town, Johannesburg and the Kruger park. Some day!

Again, thanks for taking the time to write and upload the report, and congrats on your four years of a.net membership.

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
After what seemed like days we finally make it to 13R

I know. I flew on July 13 JFK-MEX on AM 0403 scheduled to depart at 17:25 and we took off 3 hours and 10 minutes later. It was really horrible. Thank goodness I was on an emergency exit window seat and there was nobody on the middle seat... otherwise I think I would have gone crazy. I am thinking of switching to EWR for my future trips to New York... or to a one-stop fligt to LGA. Seriously!



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Nauru, joined Oct 2007, 1826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 16360 times:

Nice trip report !

I didn't know that SA has has 5th freedom between USA and Senegal since Delta has a lot of Dakar bound flights.


User currently offlineT7ILS13LatJFK From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 84 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15721 times:

First off, awesome report. Nice pictures too.

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
Soon enough it was back to reality as I made my way to Terminal 4 - the SA check in area was a big mess. All systems were down and the staff looked thoroughly confused with supervisors looking even more flummoxed. There were a bunch of DKR bound passengers who seem to have come in with everthing they own (including their neighbour's kitchen sink), all wrapped in saran wrap (it seems to be the latest fad among Africa bound passengers).

That is too bad to hear poor customer service at JFK while checking in. I worked as an SA check in agent for two years, at Terminal 4 at JFK. I just quit last week to commence flight training. It seems to me you were there exactly the week I was on vacation. Check out my trip report here:http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/131321/. However, I will tell you that, in general during the summer, check in at SA gets pretty crazy and hectic. With the computers not working, it obviously made matters worse. It's happened before to me. Not pretty. The supervisors (SA and Swissport) running SA's JFK station aren't the most friendly nor are they the brightest.
However, on a side note, I must say that reading your description of the DKR passenger's items they were traveling, with made me laugh. Just hilarious (not from an onlooking passenger's perspective at all). But you hit it right on the spot. They transport (or at least try to transport) almost anything imaginable. I've seen sinks. The funniest things I've seen were truck tires and car batteries. We didn't let the passenger travel with these items of course. Anyway, I just think it's interesting now that the outside world knows about what passengers try to travel with. Don't get me wrong though, the Senegalese are very nice people for the most part.



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15706 times:



Quoting T7ILS13LatJFK (Reply 7):
I must say that reading your description of the DKR passenger's items they were traveling, with made me laugh. Just hilarious (not from an onlooking passenger's perspective at all). But you hit it right on the spot. They transport (or at least try to transport) almost anything imaginable. I've seen sinks. The funniest things I've seen were truck tires and car batteries

Wow... i thought he was kidding when he mentioned the sinks..... but it guess you've seen it as well....

So tell me, when a passenger brings a sink or a truck tire to the airport and you guys turn him away.. does he get rebooked on a different flight ?? I'm sure they don't just leave the truck tire at the check-in desk and walk away....


User currently offlineT7ILS13LatJFK From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 84 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15524 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 8):
So tell me, when a passenger brings a sink or a truck tire to the airport and you guys turn him away.. does he get rebooked on a different flight ?? I'm sure they don't just leave the truck tire at the check-in desk and walk away....

Isn't that just hilarious...hahaha
Well what we'd do is tell the passenger that they are not allowed to check such items in. If they persist, the supervisor can offload them from the flight, I believe. Generally what happens is the passenger will leave it behind with his colleague. And trust me, the DKR passengers bring along a large group of people. My guess why so many come to see of their friends, family, etc., is just for this reason. Simply to take any "unwanted' items back home.
They do not leave any items behind at the check in counters. At least never when I was around.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

Interesting report with some nice pics included.

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
The AVML appetizer!

Looks good - are these pineapple slices?

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
There was a mix up with catering and 2 hours later we were still in Dakar. We had a full business class cabin and only 22 meals. We were short 14 and frantic gesturing takes place and a call to catering. Food trays are counted and recounted. Then we have the entrees and not enough desserts - so another call to catering.

What a mess...

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
Another view of the Léopold Sédar Senghor International Airport at Dakar - said to be a strong contender for the Worst Airport in the World title.

Says who? Even worse than some other African airports?

Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
The touts and hustlers there are supposedly among the best in the business. I suppose that's the reason SA does not allow passengers to disembark (a real pity though in my opinion).

But those guys haven't access to the gate area, have they?


PH



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1725 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14733 times:

Very nice report of a well known but uncommonly reported carrier on here.
I especially like the picture at JFK with the AI 77L, but not because of that plane.
If you look good, you see 3 LX A330-200's in this one picture  Smile
This is quite an appearance at JFK for such a small carrier ( where I happen to work for )

It seems that SA C-class is about the same service level as the top Y-products in the market.
This means that there is still some work to do!

Thanks for sharing and Brgds,
Joost ( D-ALCE )



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27342 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14535 times:

Nice report and nice pictures of something not covered .

OA260


User currently offlineSshank From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

T7ILS - too bad I missed you. Looks like they could have used your help. The supervisors fit your description as not too friendly.

On your comment on the DKR bound passengers- I can see what you mean  Smile They all seem to have come in with others who I can only describe as "baggage support team".

Quoting T7ILS13LatJFK (Reply 9):
Isn't that just hilarious...hahaha
Well what we'd do is tell the passenger that they are not allowed to check such items in. If they persist, the supervisor can offload them from the flight, I believe. Generally what happens is the passenger will leave it behind with his colleague. And trust me, the DKR passengers bring along a large group of people. My guess why so many come to see of their friends, family, etc., is just for this reason. Simply to take any "unwanted' items back home.
They do not leave any items behind at the check in counters. At least never when I was around.



User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13763 times:
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Quoting Sshank (Thread starter):
The line up behind us for 13R - included world beaters such as Air Berlin, Air Tahiti Nui and Aerosvit.

Great line-up shot.

I loved this TR for it's unique and exotic photos. I especially like how you darkened the area around the pilot. Helpin' him out eh?  Wink Well Done.

-HSII



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