Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
Hi, dear readers
It took a while to get something online again. Not due to the lack of flights taken by me, but more due to lack of time lately. Thank you for those who waited patiently for this report
Summer time in Europe, means working time for me. As I am an employee with a large Asian airline, I might have to work at other airport to cooperate or organize the handling of charter flights. Every year, my company is chartered to operate a series of charters, and I was entitled to pay a visit to Sweden on this purpose. Not bad at all, of course!
E-tickets (KL) were arranged by my collegues from the administration department, and were delivered into my mailbox a few days in advance of the actual travel. Strange enough, the outbound flight got a different class-coding then the return flight, and I was only able to check-in for Y-class. Never mind, thinking that C would be full, and as a duty-traveller, I have less rights then revenue passengers.
So, I checked in online, took one of the vacant window seats; 24A, and printed my boarding pass. I checked the airport systems and they showed PH-BGC (dlvd 28May2008) for my flight, which would mean the newest addition to the Boeing 737 fleet! I was quite happy to see this one for my flight.
July 20, 2008
Quite early for me, this Sunday morning. I arrived in the departure hall at Schiphol Airport, and was badly astonished to see queues of about 200 metres (!) for KL’s Economy class. All these people were waiting for baggage drop-off. I was really not happy with the situation, and not likely to queue. I decided to wear my airline ID, jumped through the waiting people into the Business Class area, which was more quiet. Also 2 staff travel check-in desks are located near this section, which I queued. But since I flew confirmed, I tried my luck at one of the empty drop-off points for C class, and I was served promptly.
Security was a breeze, nice for a change (AMS security people are usually a bit domineering). I checked my gate, and noticed C08 was assigned to handle my flight. During my walk down to the gate, I bought some magazines to spend my time off in my hotel room.
C concourse at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport
A less nice surprise came at the gate; I noticed an aircraft change on my flight! I would still be a new registration for me, but not on the new PH-BGC.
Meanwhile my collegues also arrived, and we had a small chat about our seating assignments. The others were all seated in C, and therefore I tried my luck at the counter. They informed me about a ticketing error but couldn’t change it at this stage. They advised me to introduce myself with the purser during boarding (she was informed about my case by groundstaff).
My aircraft, Boeing 737-800(WL) PH-BXK prior to boarding
After my try at the counter finished, I boarded immediately. A friendly female purser greeted my during embarkation, and I introduced myself to her. She confirmed a mis-ticketing and offered my an upgrade to any available seat in C. Since 02F remained empty, I decided to take this window seat. The rest of my row was empty for the rest of the flight.
Doors closed on time, and a welcome was given by the purser, in Dutch, English, and Swedish (!) language. I was positively surprised by her skills in Swedish. KLM, !
Also the captain said hello. He informed about our departure runway, the weather, the route to be flown (we would avoid Danish Airspace due to radar construction works) and the short flighttime (estimated 1:35hrs).
Meanwhile, a selection of (international) newspapers were offered, including the Sunday issue of the ‘Telegraaf’.
Pushback on schedule, and we had to taxi to runway 36L, using the ‘South’ taxiway and parallel to runway 36C. Some rainshowers passed the airport.
Until takeoff, no further service was given to C class. No pre-flight drink etc.
Takeoff was powerful, and I enjoyed watching outside. I was able to see the city of Amsterdam on my right side. Lot of clouds as well, which let me decide to continue reading.
Taking off from runway 36L
A view outside after take-off
Service started shortly after we reached a calmer stage of the flight. Hot towels were given out. Followed by a selection of water and juices. I really prefer the orange juice served by KL in C-class over any other inflight OJ. It seems to be freshly squeezed and taste is very good!
Another juice was given later.
Then the breakfast was served to all passengers, except me. The purser came to apologize that she was out of meals and they didn’t have a spare one for me. Instead of a tray, I was offered 2 sandwiches from Economy class, wrapped in plastic. What can I say about that; although I shouldn’t expect anything, a legacy carrier should always have one or more spare meals available in case they will have ‘show-go’ on the flight. Last minute additional (revenue) passengers might expect the same treatment on a carrier like KL, I think.
Anyway, I took the sandwiches (one with strawberry jam, the other cheese), and got another juice, and a coffee.
By the way; seating in KL Europe Select C-class is 3-3, same as Economy offers. All seats are for sale, also middle seats . The cabin on my flight was set with 15 seats, occupied by 2 revenue pax and 4 non-rev’s (me and collegues). Economy was pretty fully loaded, with at least one seat available (to be 24A LOL!)
Blue is in the Air
Rest of the flight was uneventful. No good views down to earth. To many clouds around. During approach, we got a pre-landing informations about our arrival gate (gate no. 13) and the local weather forecast.
Getting closer in to ARN / Stockholm Airport
We softly touched the Arlanda concrete of runway 19R. Parking was indeed in front of ‘SkyCity’ at gate 13. I later discovered that my hotel room would be facing this apron. Other traffic around was mainly all Scandinavian (SAS, Air Express, Sterling, Nordic etc.).
Baggage took about 20 minutes to arrive, but it was delivered without fail, and that’s most important!
During my stay I was able to pay a afternoon visit to downtown Stockholm, enjoyed the cleanliness of this city and took the “Under the Bridges of Stockholm” 1:50hrs boat tour. This is a city to visit again!
Info for airline staff; the Arlanda Express trainservice offers a 50% discount to airline staff (ID ticket), which is quite worth it.
The actual handling of my flight went without troubles, so the overall experience was successful and we had an ‘ahead of schedule’ departure. This is how we like it. After my work, I finalized the flighthandling (documents, after briefing etc.) and said goodbye to the local people involved with it.
Meanwhile, date should be set to July 22, 2008. Time to fly back home!
I check myself in for seat 04A, confirmed in C, this time. Baggage checked in at the counter. Priority label was attached without fail, and I got information about where to find the lounge.
Still 90 minutes to spend, me and a collegue quickly passed security and headed for the Menzies lounge at ARN. Once we checked in the lounge, we found a poor selection of food. Only some crisps and nuts, some cheese and small cookies available. Of course a normal selection of drinks. Also (I think free) PC’s with internet. The lounge looked cheaply furnished and colour settings were not my personal taste. On the other side, it offered a few good seats with nice views on the apron. And a good chat with a collegue always helps to enjoy the time in a lounge.
Menzies Lounge at Arlanda Airport
Menzies Lounge Arlanda
Menzies Lounge Arlanda ; view on the apron
My aircraft to serve ARN – AMS, an old-generation Boeing 737
Once back at the crowded gate no. 12, boarding was announced at 17.10hrs, 20 minutes before departure. Greeted by a very friendly purser. I took my seat. In front of me (3A/3C) 2 very loud speaking American citizens, which reclined seats immediately. I decided to move on to 05A, last row in the C-class cabin.
ARN-AMS
Flight No.: KL1116 Date: 22JUL08
STD: 1730 ATD: 1740
STA: 1935 ATA: 1923
A/C: Boeing 737-400 Reg No.: PH-BDR
Seat: 04A – Business Class, change to 05A
This was my 9th ride on a Boeing 737-400 and the second time on this PH-BDR..
Also my 91st time on any Boeing 737 Quite an impressive number of times already.
The cabin was hot inside, apologies from the crew and information about a broken APU. After engine start it would become more comfortable. Also newspapers offered in C. Welcome by the purser in Enlish and Dutch.
Load in Europe Select; 9 pax out of 27 seats (33%) of which only 4 revenue pax. The other were my team mates.
Late block-out, due to startup with the use of a jetstarter. Short taxiing although, we used runway 19R.
Climbing into the air!
Europe Select class was served by the purser. This was a more senior female, and she is for sure a person who knows how to treat passengers. She gave so much attention to me (and the others), that it almost didn’t look like the general KL service. This flight was to become a really good experience!
First drink was offered; I ordered white wine. When it came, she also gave an additional glass of water, and a small bag of smoked almonds. I now firstly noticed her extra attention into details.
First drink service
Not long after, she handed me a hot towel and asked me about the dinner. She served beef, or pasta meals. I asked if any pork/meat was used in the pasta, and she confirmed it was vegetarian. Good for me, so I opted for the pasta. When it came, on a tray, she also presented another bottle of white wine. She said, Mr. M.., you will like another wine together with your meal. There you go!
The meal itself was good. It was called ‘Fiochetti Mediterranean’. Temperature was alright, presentation was good. Also 2 pieces of bread were given to me. Only negative opinion is about the cutlery used; it were plastics. That just doesn’t belong in any Business Class.
Dinner time on KL1116 + another white wine
Meanwhile we experienced some turbulence, and the captain informed us about it, and it was due to changing winds at high altitude.
Together with the meal came a starter; Pork Medaillon with wasabi-cream and dried fruit, accompanied by carrot-ginger coulis and green asparagus (I didn’t eat it), and a dessert; Coconut & raspberry dessert with green-apple sauce (taste was very good!).
When I finished, the tray was collected almost immediately. This purser was checking her cabin for the whole time without resting. She was really looking after us!
She approached me again, and offered an after-dinner drink. I decided for a baileys with ice. When she delivered it to me, in a longdrink glass filled for over 50%, and another miniatur bottle of baileys, I gave her my compliments about her good service. She was very pleased to hear that.
She immediately came back to my seat, and offered now ice-cream as well. A large Ben&Jerry’s Strawberry Cheese-Cake was given to me!
Ben&Jerry’s + Baileys on KLM’s ‘Europe Select’
I continued reading in the newspapers, watched outside the now and then, and purchased a new fragrance from the onboard sales cart.
Closer to Amsterdam, during the initial approach, the purser came again with a coffee and cookie (Crispy biscuit with caramel filling).
A coffee to finish the flight to Amsterdam!
We approached from the Northeast, over Groningen. By the way; complete routing of the flight was: ARN-NYO-BLL-GRQ-LLY-AMS.
The purser cleaned up the empty cup and we had a nice chat about my work and her stay at Stockholm. She even took a seat next to me during this conversation. Then, she had to do pre-landing announcements so she left again. After the announcements were made, she came again and offered me 2 bottles champagne , to enjoy at home with my partner, since I’ve been away from home a few days! Wow, can you believe this?! Also other passengers were now offered a bottle of wine or champagne to take home. Some pax declined, others accepted.
It seems that we’re getting close to AMS. Amsterdam ArenA (home of Ajax)
Landing was coming closer since we flew already over the city of Amsterdam/Amstelveen. Runway 27 was assigned for us. It went smoothly and a short ride towards the terminal complex. Gate D44 (D72 Schengen) was our final destination. Upon disembarking, I gave my compliments for another time, said Thank You, and goodbye. Bags were delivered on the belt at 19:55hrs, 30 minutes after landing.
Conclusion; AMS-ARN was good. Staff was really friendly and assisted me into C, despite the wrong ticketing by their reservation staff. Not good that they got out of meals, which means even not 1 backup meal on this flight, which is quite risky. Service was not personal at all, and crew was not very attentive, but gave the standard KL service for C class.
ARN-AMS is a different story. It all depends on the crewmembers. The purser on my flight was top-class! She deserves compliments, as she really cared about her passengers. She also said to me; when I fly myself, I also want to be treated like this. This is an important thing! I experienced so much attention, very personal service (calling me by name all the time), and food/drink service was just perfect.
Nice to get the presents to take home, being 2 bottles of champagne. This was KLM as I never experienced them before on any other short-haul flight in C/Europe Select Class. This is how it should be forever!
Thanks to KLM, thanks to you as well, for reading. Comments, questions, please post them here and I will reply to you again!
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 6301 posts, RR: 16 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
Great report, I flew KL Europe Select FRA-AMS on the F100, despite it being somewhat dissapointing that it was all coach seats, compared to here in the US where they are large seats, the service was fantastic and the small meal or snack box we got rather was very nice.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): a legacy carrier should always have one or more spare meals available in case they will have ‘show-go’ on the flight. Last minute additional (revenue) passengers might expect the same treatment on a carrier like KL, I think.
- Agreed, they really should carry 1 spare.
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): By the way; seating in KL Europe Select C-class is 3-3, same as Economy offers. All seats are for sale, also middle seats
- Why on earth they don't follow others and do a 2-3 or 2-2??
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4137 times:
Hi, Markus
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): great story and pix, btw, nothing else expected.
Thank you! After I woke up from a nightshift, I found some time to put all this together
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): Unbelievable, not a single extra meal, think about another upgrade or else, strange.
I really can't complain on any of these duty flights, although, from a customer point of few it's pretty bad planning, indeed!
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): Thanx for posting, ARN is also on the way in early September, you know, hopefully
with an experience like yours on KL Cityhopper,
You'll fly some Fokkers I think. Although I've read somewhere that AMS-ARN will also see the first E90 once delivered. I wonder if STR will also be on the list of destinations for this new bird.
I think that our THF trip will also include a KLC ride on either F50 or F100, AMS-BRU
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4): I flew KL Europe Select FRA-AMS on the F100, despite it being somewhat dissapointing that it was all coach seats, compared to here in the US where they are large seats, the service was fantastic and the small meal or snack box we got rather was very nice.
Yes, I understand your feelings. KL offers not the best C class in Europe since they sell all seats. Other carriers, e.g. LH, BA or even AF, leave the middle seats (B & E) vacant, for more privacy and space. I have the feeling that also inflight service might differ on many occassions. This was by far my best experience so far with them, shorthaul. Other flights in C were just 'basic'.
You most probably win with A319's :P and many others
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5): Why on earth they don't follow others and do a 2-3 or 2-2??
Because they're still 'Dutch' and we always do 'our own way' And KL is still earning money with their strategy, so why should they change. Believe me, when I have to choose myself, I won't fly them (as a paying passenger), and prefer a Star Alliance carrier usually.
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5): Big time number, soon at that magic 100!
I'll go for that 'magic 100' this year, I think. Numbers '92' '93' and '94' are already booked
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 6400 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4085 times:
Hey Eric,
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 7): Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
Wow, decent numbers, I have 3!
You most probably win with A319's
- Perhaps
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 7): Because they're still 'Dutch' and we always do 'our own way' And KL is still earning money with their strategy, so why should they change. Believe me, when I have to choose myself, I won't fly them (as a paying passenger), and prefer a Star Alliance carrier usually.
- So funny! I get the Start stuff to a degree, I have found BMI has an excellent reward program
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 7): Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
Big time number, soon at that magic 100!
I'll go for that 'magic 100' this year, I think. Numbers '92' '93' and '94' are already booked
- Well done, look forward to the report's and the 100th flight!
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2281 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
hey eric, nice report and great pix!
I find it strange that KLM sell all three seats in EU-SE! The common standard nowadays is two with the middle seat remain empty. I know only LOT which do the same...
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): Info for airline staff; the Arlanda Express trainservice offers a 50% discount to airline staff (ID ticket), which is quite worth it.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 6301 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3905 times:
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6): Yes, I understand your feelings. KL offers not the best C class in Europe since they sell all seats. Other carriers, e.g. LH, BA or even AF, leave the middle seats (B & E) vacant, for more privacy and space. I have the feeling that also inflight service might differ on many occassions.
This is what I don't understand, if you are not going to sell the middle seat, why not put in seats like US carriers have, 4 large seats instead of the 6 standard economy sized seats?
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2281 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3780 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10): This is what I don't understand, if you are not going to sell the middle seat, why not put in seats like US carriers have, 4 large seats instead of the 6 standard economy sized seats?
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3668 times:
Hi, again,
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10): This is what I don't understand, if you are not going to sell the middle seat, why not put in seats like US carriers have, 4 large seats instead of the 6 standard economy sized seats?
With normal economy seats in use for business, they can use a seperation curtain and set the cabin divider at any row. Even at outbound stations, crew might change the cabin settings, all depending on the loads.
But, even now, they should not sell the middle seats in my opinion.
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9): thats great! how do you get your ticket?
Go to the Airport Information desk (also kind of Tourist Information) and buy your tickets at the desk by showing your ID. Normal price for a single is SEK220 (about EUR 24,-), so any discount on this price is welcome for the short 20 minutes ride downtown
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9): I know only LOT which do the same...
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
This is nearly always the case.
You've uncovered the secret to aviation.
Now if you could explain it to 5 of 10 flight attendants at ANY and ALL airlines in the US of A, I'd appreciate it.
And so would millions of other American travelers.
Quick question:
If I've booked a KLM Cityhopper flight AMS-BRS in August, could I upgrade to business class at all, or is it too late to make that change?
For unto us a Child is born- unto us a Son is given!
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
Hi
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13): Quick question:
If I've booked a KLM Cityhopper flight AMS-BRS in August, could I upgrade to business class at all, or is it too late to make that change?
I think it would be possible to upgrade. But BRS is served by Fokkers, and a very short flight as well, don't expect too much from the service on this route, even in C.
Last year, I flew C on a KLC Fokker 100 (AMS-BRU) and was served only a juice (in plastic cup) and a small cookie.
I doubt if an upgrade is worth it for you.
SK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 968 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): Not good that they got out of meals, which means even not 1 backup meal on this flight, which is quite risky
The gate agent didnot change your seat from m to c-class. If he/she did change that, than the catering dept will get the final pax numbers and can see that there was 1 more c-class pap as booked. Catering than bring an extra meal to the plane (there are some catering trucks with "last-minute delivery" on them). This all hapens appr 20 minutes before departure, when the flight closes for check-in (intercontinental:appr 30 minutes). Any last-minute passengers have bad luck: no meal! They are then given the choice: go and no meal, or wait for the next plane. So basically, if a commercial passenger checks in before the flight closes, there is always a "meal" (well, something to bite) for him/her.
If a flight is oversold in m-class by let's say 5 passengers, and c-class has 5 open seats, then the catering department will put 5 extra meals on for c-class, because there is a possibility that 5 pax will be "upgraded".
This strict procedure saves KL a lot of money. An extra meal on every flight will mean over 300 meals a day, that most likely are NOT needed!
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): Service was not personal at all, and crew was not very attentive
Ehhh, the purser did allow you to sit "upfront". She could have said also, to sort the ticket issue out with a gate/ticket agent. Besides that she welcomed the pax in Swedish, which is quite personal for the swedish passengers.
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): By the way; seating in KL Europe Select C-class is 3-3, same as Economy offers. All seats are for sale, also middle seats
KL is critized for this ALL the time! And I understand. It is a "poor show", especially compared to BA european product and even AF, but on the other side, KL DOES make good money out of it. The 3-3 config in C-class exists now for maybe 6 or 7 years, and still no huge decline in passengers, maybe because the Dutch business man has no choice?
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
Hi, SK601
Quoting SK601 (Reply 15): This strict procedure saves KL a lot of money. An extra meal on every flight will mean over 300 meals a day, that most likely are NOT needed!
Fully understandable, from my point of view. No complaints here, from my side. Although, in case of a commercial passenger, paying a lot of money, with a mostly full flexible C class ticket (so flexible enough to change flights), I won't be happy to be on the plane without the normal service for your class of travel.
Quoting SK601 (Reply 15): Ehhh, the purser did allow you to sit "upfront". She could have said also, to sort the ticket issue out with a gate/ticket agent.
True. That was very kind, but I was basically directed to check with her after instructions from the gate agent. The issue was already known by KL groundstaff for some reason, but she couldn't change the booking (flight was closed already). On the other side, ticketing was also a bit wrong in this case. Problem was well solved by the purser. No complaints.
Quoting SK601 (Reply 15): Besides that she welcomed the pax in Swedish, which is quite personal for the swedish passengers.
As I mentioned in the report, I found this also great service provided on this particular flight.
Quoting SK601 (Reply 15): The 3-3 config in C-class exists now for maybe 6 or 7 years, and still no huge decline in passengers, maybe because the Dutch business man has no choice?
Business people usually don't pay their own tickets, and they can't really complain to their employers about this issue. I have the feeling that the independent travellers choose another airline sooner, then flying the (expensive) KL.
Infodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 430 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
What fantastic service on the way back. That really is what flying is all about. And to see it offered in this day and age is just great. I bet the flight attendant sleeps well at night knowing what a good job she's done!
Great read, thanks
Infodesk
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 2207 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3028 times:
Hi, Infodesk,
Thanks for reading
Quoting Infodesk (Reply 19): I bet the flight attendant sleeps well at night knowing what a good job she's done!
She is for me the best cabin attendant/purser ever since, for shorthaul. That's why she got my compliments, because she understands her duty very well. .
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 3253 posts, RR: 70 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
Very detailed report with good pictures, as usual, Eric!
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): The meal itself was good. It was called ‘Fiochetti Mediterranean’. Temperature was alright, presentation was good. Also 2 pieces of bread were given to me. Only negative opinion is about the cutlery used; it were plastics. That just doesn’t belong in any Business Class.
And the bowls were made of porcelain? Probably it would be a better idea to use high-quality plastic bowls together with metal cutlery.
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): Together with the meal came a starter; Pork Medaillon with wasabi-cream and dried fruit, accompanied by carrot-ginger coulis and green asparagus (I didn’t eat it), and a dessert; Coconut & raspberry dessert with green-apple sauce (taste was very good!).
Looks very tasty, especially the medaillon with wasabi cream.
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter): After the announcements were made, she came again and offered me 2 bottles champagne champagne , to enjoy at home with my partner, since I’ve been away from home a few days! Wow, can you believe this?! Also other passengers were now offered a bottle of wine or champagne to take home. Some pax declined, others accepted.
Great! I understand that you got the bottles after praising the service - but why all the others? They could have used the bottles on another flight.
Btw - I also got a big bottle of champaigne on a US Airways MUC-PHL flight, even in Eco. Great FA, too.
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10): This is what I don't understand, if you are not going to sell the middle seat, why not put in seats like US carriers have, 4 large seats instead of the 6 standard economy sized seats?
More flexibility helps to avoid empty seats. And don't forget you can also increase the biz class section enormously if needed = great for yields.
No, bowls were also some kind of plastic material, but looking ok for their purpose.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21): Looks very tasty, especially the medaillon with wasabi cream.
I can't tell you, sorry
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21): I understand that you got the bottles after praising the service - but why all the others? They could have used the bottles on another flight.
I think the others only got 1, she gave me 2. It's dangerous when you don't treat all pax the same, that might be the reason to give all pax this 'service'. Otherwise, indirect, some pax might decide to complain in some way to KL.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21): Btw - I also got a big bottle of champaigne on a US Airways MUC-PHL flight, even in Eco. Great FA, too.
hehe, that's great! Did you have a nice chat with her too
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21): And don't forget you can also increase the biz class section enormously if needed = great for yields.
Indeed, agree with you. But great for yields, is still 'bad for the passenger'. Airlines should refrain from doing such things. You would almost have no space anymore to eat your C-class meal then. But probably KL will switch to a 'some kind of sandwich service' in the future
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 967 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2896 times:
Hello Eric!
A very nice and interesting TR, it's not very often i see a Europe Select report.
To me it was quite strange that KL have six abreast in C.
The food on the return sector looked very nice, though it looked a bit like long haul Y class food. The Ben and Jerry's ice cream was a nice touch IMO.
P.s i was actually at ARN the exact same day at the exact same time and i took some pics of the apron at the exact same time as you did.
You will see more of it in the roport of my trip to PRG.
Thanks for sharing!
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StefanPAD From Netherlands Antilles, joined Dec 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Hi Eric!
Fantastic report. It seems that you got instead of two C-Class legs one Y service on the outbound flight and a double C-Class service on the return flight
From 19th till 21st July I stayed at AMS. I was spotting around the runways and checked out the "new" spots at the Polderbaan. But your departure was too early in the morning. At this time I had breakfast at the Ibis Airport on the top floor with a view on the active runway 27 (landings).
Thanks for sharing.
Stefan
25 Airbuseric: Hi, thanks for your reading and reply, I thought so too Carriers like OS and LX offer better meals and presentation for their C class meals on Europea
26 LH4116: Noooooo! I missed the JL flight, that was maybe a once in a lifetime experience, or maybe not. I arrived at the airport at 3.25pm. I did only take a
27 Rogerbcn: Hola Eric! Tanks for this new TR. I am glad you got a C upgrade on both flights. The 3-3 seating has always confused me. Last time I flew KL, 2 years
28 Contact Air: Hi Eric, very interesting report - thanks for posting it! I totally agree. With a good crew, you can have enjoyable flights on every airline. And your
29 Airbuseric: Hi, again Probably back in 2009 for again, a few charter flights. Ahhh, no sorry but I think it was a new colourscheme one, I saw it taxiing if I reme
30 Cgnnrw: Nice report. I agree plastic cutlery in C class is an absolute no-no. However, I have to admit the meal itself doesn't look all that impressive. I fle
31 Airbuseric: Hi, Cgnnrw, Thanks for reading! Completely agree! Of course, with this strategy, C class will always be much better then Y, although basically service