MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
This SA Linhas Aereas">TR will include my return journey from Africa to Tampa. The following flight segments wil be included in this SA Linhas Aereas">TR:
We arrived at Singita airstrip for our shared charter flight to JNB at about 1:15PM. We saw our Beechcraft 1900D sitting in the small parking area.
Airline: Federal Air (Charter)
Flight: FDR????
Aircraft: Beechcraft 1900D
Dep Airport: Singita Airstrip
Arrival Airport: JNB
The pilot asked us our names and then crossed them off from the manifest.
Takeoff was very powerful
Almost immediately after takeoff, we began a rapid descent and landed at another airstrip to let 2 more passengers on. The flight onward to JNB was smooth. Does anyone know where this smoke is coming from?
We taxied to the Federal Air hangers, which are located in between the two runways at JNB. They have a nice outdoor lounge where you can wait for your flight.
We were met by a representative from our tour company, who drove us to the main terminal. At JNB, you are required to go up and elevator in order to get to the check-in area. This isn’t the most efficient process, especially since you have all of your luggage with you.
Check-in was very slow. First, a security agent intensely checks all of your e-tickets and passports, and asks several security questions. Then she puts a stamp on everyones’ passports. At the actual check-in desk, we handed the agent our passports, who then spent a good fifteen minutes typing on her computer. She then handed us tags for our carry-on luggage, which we were required to put on our carry-on bags. After this, she finally handed us our boarding passes and we were set.
I was surprised that we were handed a separate DKR-ATL boarding pass as well; even though we weren’t deplaning in DKR.
I heard from someone that SA)">DL used to require passengers with e-tickets to get paper tickets issued if they were departing from JNB.
As I turned around, I couldn’t help but noticed that the TAAG Angola ticket office was open. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to get a timetable for this mysterious airline.
As I approached the counter, the TAAG representative seemed to be having a nice conversation with a friend of hers over the phone. She was also enjoying herself while reading a fashion magazine. She eventually decided to acknowledge my presence and asked if she could help me.
I asked if they had a timetable to which she replied: “We don’t have them here. Go to the TAAG office upstairs and you can get one there”
After getting lost twice and wondering through narrow hallways, we finally found the other TAAG office. When we asked the lady in there if we could have a timetable, she replied by saying that the downstairs office has them.
When we explained that the downstairs office had sent us here, she phoned the downstairs office and scolded them for sending us up here and told them to give us a timetable.
So we went back downstairs and I was handed a piece of computer paper with the JNB-LAD schedule only. When I asked for a system-wide timetable, they said that the don’t have that.
I really didn’t think that getting a timetable would be this difficult. I guess this is my mini TAAG experience lol.
Passport control was surprisingly fast and we then made our way to the AF lounge.
I decided that I would walk around the airport and do some spotting. Plus, I wanted to see the TAAG 747.
The DT 747 leaving late for LAD.
An SA A319
SA A340-600
Our SA)">DL 767-400 arrived late from DKR.
Boarding was scheduled for 17:45. At that time, the cabin crew had yet to board so I figured the flight was going to leave late.
**I switched seats with my family several times during flight, hence the different viewpoints**
Boarding Process
After the gate agent scans your boarding pass, you are required to walk down a ramp in order to get to the jetway. On the ramp, there are two security agents who check your passports and ask more security questions. At the bottom of the ramp, there is a room where another security check takes place. The agents open your carry-on bags and search through them.
As I entered the aircraft, I was greeted with a “Hey”.
My initial impression was that it was much less impressive than the AF 77W I recently flew on. A 2-2-2 layout is also tight. I don’t understand why SA)">DL just didn’t install flat seats when they refitted their 764’s.
We were offered pre-departure drinks. These were in plastic glasses, which I found interesting.
We began pushback seven minutes late. Because there are no overhead screens in the business cabin, the audio of the safety video is played while the cabin crew point out the exits. My attempts to view the safety video were put to an end after the flight attendant closed my PTV.
The captain welcomed us on board during the taxi.
The takeoff roll seemed very long, however, the climb was steep.
About an hour after departure, the cabin crew began the meal service. The cabin lights were not turned on for this for some reason.
I was impressed so far with the food.
I then slept for about four hours. I woke up and waited for the next meal service. It never came. I later learned that you were required to go the galley and ask a flight attendant for a sandwich if you wanted to eat. Not very business class-like if you ask me.
Descent into DKR was fast and the landing was very hard at the very beginning of the runway. I noticed a flight attendant got up and closed an overhead bin when we slowed down. I guess it popped open because of the hard landing.
We were then instructed to stay in our seats and not block the aisles during our wait in DKR if we were continuing on to ATL. Several passengers were transferring to the SA)">DL JFK flight.
I’m sorry, but why would someone connect to another SA)">DL flight in DKR when you can just flight on South African direct from JNB to JFK. SA has a better product so unless they’re more expensive, I don’t know why anyone would want to go through the hassle of transiting through DKR when they don’t have to.
A group of security agents came on board the aircraft. We were required to stand up and identify our carry on luggage. Then, they ripped off the seat cushions to check for anything being smuggled I guess.
A cleaning crew also came on board, but they didn’t do much. We weren’t given new blankets, pillows, or amenity kits.
The new captain welcomed us on board and said that we were waiting on 20 passengers to connect from the SA)">DL flight from CPT.
I dozed off for about fifteen minutes because I was so tired.
We eventually pushed back and began our taxi to the runway. The flight attendants laughed their way through the safety demo after they did the “Smoking in NOT allowed” finger wag.
I noticed that a truck followed our aircraft to the runway and shined a spot light on the main gear. I assume this is to watch for stow aways.
Takeoff was powerful, and the runway was very bumpy.
The first meal service consisted of a cold sandwich. It was not very good at all.
I slept for about three hours before waking up to see the sunrise.
About 2 hours before arrival, a breakfast service began. The options consisted of an omelet, cereal, and something else I can’t remember.
The pilot announced our descent about 30 minutes before arrival.
Landing video. Includes the arrival announcement + flight attendant telling passengers to sit down.
Passport control was fast and our bags came our very quickly too. Since we had four hours in ATL before our flight to TPA, we thought we would ask if we could get an earlier flight. Unfortunately, they were all overbooked.
Conclusions about DL35
I must say that I was expecting more from SA)">DL. I keep hearing about how much SA)">DL is changing for better, etc. However, I was slightly disappointed. The cabin crew were friendly, but seemed to enjoy talking among themselves in the galley more than doing their job. Having only 1 hot meal on an eight hour flight is inexcusable IMHO. I got more food in economy on Jet Airways from DEL-BRU and BRU-JFK and I did on either SA)">DL leg in business. If I ever find myself travelling to South Africa again, I will be very open to trying South African’s IAD-JNB flight.
My family was exhausted, so we decided to go the crown room club in concourse A.
I got bored, so I decided to walk back to concourse E and see the KE 747. At this hour, councourse E was deserted. As I began to walk back to concourse A, I saw a lady with a stroller sprinting towards a gate. I decided to follow her and see if she made the flight.
When I caught up, she was just about to miss the SA)">DL flight to ICN. She got lucky though and they let her on 3 minutes before departure. The gate agent was not happy about this for some reason told her fellow gate agents “This is ridiculous! I can’t believe passengers are showing up 3 minutes before departure. Why the hell weren’t they here on time”
Shortly after this lady boarded, two more people showed up to be told that the flight was closed. Naturally they were very upset; however, they lucked out in my opinion because they probably got to go on the later KE flight. I’m sure the KE experience is probably much better than SA)">DL.
Then I went and sat at the gate until boarding was called at 12:15 exactly.
SA)">DL boarding announcement video. Includes the gate agent making the announcement herself and the pre-recorded announcement in English and Spanish. Sorry about the poor quality as the pre-recorded announcements weren’t very loud.
CO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Interesting report.. thanks for sharing..
DL's J product from JNB sounds like a complete joke.. from what i understand..
While the seats do look somewhat comfy.. the food looks disgusting!!
TDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Thanks for such an amazing report! Really nice to read about routes not often seen here on A.Net!
My few observations:
-That AF JNB lounge looks like a cafeteria that was furnished by IKEA ... how cheeeeap!
-The meal service on DL J looks really pathetic
-The voice on that F/A doing the arrival announcement in ATL is SO annoying and syrupy!!
PHLstudent From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 498 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
i've been hearing so much about this route, and finally its nice to see a trip report about it. Very good, and great pictures.
Your boarding passes say no FF credit, is this due to it being an award ticket or staff ticket? Either way, do you think the its worth paying for this or taking an alternate route?
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Wow, JNB sure has changed since I was there in 2006. Consider yourself lucky you weren't on a 763.
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1): the food looks disgusting!!
How so?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3016 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Nice report - I'd been waiting for a report on this route!
After flying other carriers in business class (including BA and AF), I'd stick to a different carrier on this route. Those seats aren't much better than what BA offers in premium economy. I don't care how good the service is - on a route this long you want a lie-flat seat with more room!
Drumline072008 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 5 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Interesting and enjoyable report. Thanks for sharing.
Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I think most airlines don't issue timetables anymore. I used to enjoy looking at them. That guy does not look too happy that you are taking a photo. Thank you for the interesting report.
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Thanks for all of the feedback everyone!
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1): SA)">DL's J product from JNB sounds like a complete joke.. from what i understand..
While the seats do look somewhat comfy.. the food looks disgusting!!
The food actually wasn't that bad in terms of quaility, except for the sandwich. I was disappointed in the food because we only got 1 hot meal service on an eight hour flight in Business Class.
Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 3): i've been hearing so much about this route, and finally its nice to see a trip report about it. Very good, and great pictures.
Your boarding passes say no SA)">FF credit, is this due to it being an award ticket or staff ticket? Either way, do you think the its worth paying for this or taking an alternate route?
Thanks, I was on an award ticket. If we were paying for these flights, I would probably rather go TPA-IAD-JNB on a SA)">UA/SA combination. IMHO, the flat seats that SA would me much more comfortable than SA)">DL's 'recliners'.
Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4): Thanks for the interesting report. I'll be staying at the Singita in September. What were your impressions of the place, did you like it?
It was amazing! You will love it. What lodge will you be staying at?
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6): After flying other carriers in business class (including BA and AF), I'd stick to a different carrier on this route. Those seats aren't much better than what BA offers in premium economy. I don't care how good the service is - on a route this long you want a lie-flat seat with more room!
100% Agreed
Quoting Semsem (Reply 8): I think most airlines don't issue timetables anymore. I used to enjoy looking at them. That guy does not look too happy that you are taking a photo. Thank you for the interesting report.
The reason airlines don't issue timetables anymore is because people can view their schedules online. I figured that out of all the airlines out there, TAAG would be the one still issuing timetables since they barely have a website. Plus, the schedule posted on their website is completely wrong. Yeah he doesn't look too pleased but you get looks like that from everyone when you're taking photos of random things on airplanes hehe.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
The food actually looks fairly decent to me. The sandwich looks fine as well- perhaps your young taste buds weren't prep'd for the complex taste of pesto compote on a panini?
Anyhow, on with the info that I am actually going to contribute to this thread:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): I’m sorry, but why would someone connect to another SA)">DL flight in DKR when you can just flight on South African direct from JNB to JFK. SA has a better product so unless they’re more expensive, I don’t know why anyone would want to go through the hassle of transiting through DKR when they don’t have to.
Because you CAN'T just fly South African.
They stop in Dakar, too; I had friends that took the flights just last month, on both Delta and South African, and all of them stopped in Dakar.
And, once you get to IAD or JFK on SA, you're left with NO connection options, without transferring airline. On Delta, you're just one same-carrier connection away from nearly anywhere in the US.
Also, if you're SkyTeam, SA is not going to be the carrier of choice.
You clearly didn't care for DL's service here. I'm not a Delta fan (actually Continental Elite), but in the future perhaps you'd be happier spending your (parent's) money elsewhere.
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
The food actually looks fairly decent to me. The sandwich looks fine as well- perhaps your young taste buds weren't prep'd for the complex taste of pesto compote on a panini?
I'm sorry my taste buds aren't defined enough to appreciate the wonders of the cold sandwich.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10): Because you CAN'T just fly South African.
They stop in Dakar, too; I had friends that took the flights just last month, on both Delta and South African, and all of them stopped in Dakar.
Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. I never said SA doesn't stop in DKR. I said there was direct flight from JNB-JFK. While the SA flight isn't nonstop, there is no aircraft change in DKR. On South African, you can fly JNB-DKR-JFK on the same aircraft without having to get off the aircraft, change planes, and risk missing a connection. If you want to fly DL from JNB-JFK, you are required to change planes in DRK to DL129 which flies CPT-DKR-JFK. My point was, why change aircrafts when you don't have to.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10): And, once you get to IAD or JFK on SA, you're left with NO connection options, without transferring airline. On Delta, you're just one same-carrier connection away from nearly anywhere in the US.
There are plenty of UA flights out of IAD that SA codeshares on. I realize you change carrier, but theres almost no difference for the passenger if its a codeshare. You're right about JFK, however, DL's domestic market isn't exactly gigantic out of JFK.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10): You clearly didn't care for DL's service here. I'm not a Delta fan (actually Continental Elite), but in the future perhaps you'd be happier spending your (parent's) money elsewhere.
I never said DL was bad. I was just slightly disappointed. I guess I was spoiled by Jet Airways who gave me two hot meals in economy on an eight hour flight.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 9): The food actually wasn't that bad in terms of quaility, except for the sandwich. I was disappointed in the food because we only got 1 hot meal service on an eight hour flight in Business Class.
Actually, had you chosen the omelete, that would've been two hot meal services. Usually they have stuff setup in the galley aswell.
It seems that if you're flying from the U.S. to South Africa in Business, choose South African, if you're traveling in coach, choose Delta. Delta has a good coach product on this route with leather slimline seats, a wide array of programs on PTV's, free alcohol, and amenity kits. Until Delta gets the lie-flats on the 764's next year (which is pretty soon), stick with SAA.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12): Actually, had you chosen the omelete, that would've been two hot meal services. Usually they have stuff setup in the galley aswell.
That sandwich was actually cold. I was including the omelet as a hot meal.
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12): It seems that if you're flying from the U.S. to South Africa in Business, choose South African, if you're traveling in coach, choose Delta. Delta has a good coach product on this route with leather slimline seats, a wide array of programs on PTV's, free alcohol, and amenity kits. Until Delta gets the lie-flats on the 764's next year (which is pretty soon), stick with SAA.
That statement is very true. Once SA)">DL gets the flat seats, they are going to give SA a huge run for their money. However, SA is currently miles ahead of them in the business class product.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): We were offered pre-departure drinks. These were in plastic glasses, which I found interesting.
On NW flights in domestic F I have always received my preflight drink in a plastic cup, but once in the air I get a glass. I assume it is some sort of FAA rule, but I really don't know.
CO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 32767 times:
Very good trip report. The pictures were interesting and I liked how you described everything in full detail.
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2681 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): We eventually pushed back and began our taxi to the runway. The flight attendants laughed their way through the safety demo after they did the “Smoking in NOT allowed” finger wag.
was it a manuel demo, were there no communial monitors?
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Thanks guys!
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19): was it a manuel demo, were there no communial monitors?
No there weren't monitors for the whole cabin to see. Only the PTV's that pop out of the armrest. The audio of the actual safety video was played over the P/A, and the FA's pointed out the exits and showed us how to use the oxygen masks and life jackets manually.
This flight is on my top ten list...although i would be flying in Y
Did you happen to get pics of activity in DKR?
If we weren't on an award ticket, I would've been in Y also. My parents usually fly in J, while my brother and I travel in Y. People think I'm crazy for saying this, but I actually prefer travelling in Y as I love the view from behind the wing and I sleep just as well. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any pix of the ground scene in DKR. However, I can tell you what I saw. I'm not positive but I think were 2 V7 73G's, 2 AT 738's, an ET 767, a SA A346, a DL 763, and an SS A332. It seemed quite busy at this time of night.
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4491 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Great report! I was also excited to see a report about DL's service on this new route, but disappointed to hear about how miserable the experience was.
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5): Consider yourself lucky you weren't on a 763.
I thought they have the exact same J class and entertainment as the 764s. Are they on an older IFE system?
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 11): I'm sorry my taste buds aren't defined enough to appreciate the wonders of the cold sandwich.
It looks pretty miserable to me too mate. The bread doesn't look super appetising and there doesn't seem to be any butter or mayo or tomatoes or whatever holding together the sandwich. I can TOTALLY believe you if you say it wasn't good.
Evan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 21): I thought they have the exact same J class and entertainment as the 764s. Are they on an older IFE system?
I'm pretty sure they might have converted them all, but at the start of this route Delta was flying 763's with the old entertainment loop system, out of date seat covers, etc. 764's were converterd right to the refurbished product. Even while both refurbished, you will see asthetic differences between the 763 and 764, especially in the overhead bins.
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 22): Even while both refurbished, you will see asthetic differences between the 763 and 764, especially in the overhead bins.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): Having only 1 hot meal on an eight hour flight is inexcusable IMHO. I got more food in economy on Jet Airways from DEL-BRU and BRU-JFK and I did on either SA)">DL leg in business. If I ever find myself travelling to South Africa again, I will be very open to trying South African’s IAD-JNB flight.
HAving flown SA, I can tell you, you wouldnt get a second meal on that sector either
25 BAStew: Same as Club World on BA. A flight of 8 hours you would only get one hot meal and then a cold one before landing.
26 MHTripple7: Evidently, Jet Airways has corrupted my view on what to expect from in-flight service. I simply figured that I would get similar service on this DL f
27 BA319-131: Nice report and pictures, thanks, interesting report and route. - Never knw these things flew that far. - Not a good start, too casual! - Why on a dom
28 LipeGIG: Very interesting ! I just come back from a DL 764 trip (my first on a 764) to GIG and have to say i liked that plane. BE service is good, and even not
29 TJCAB: Yes it does look like a cheap cafeteria but those chairs (IMO) look quite retro and expensive. I have yet to see then in IKEA God! I was thinking the
30 TJCAB: maybe they carry limited number of glasses and are not able/allowed to wash and reuse?
31 Airbuseric: Hi! Interesting report on this route/airline combination. I liked the reading of it! Thanks. My opinion is that I agree with you. Seat looks ok though
32 Modesto2: DL's BusinessElite seats on the 767 are a little tight - I prefer CO's 2-1-2 configuration. However, the J product is nothing to complain about and st
33 DeltaL1011man: Once it goes 777-232LR it will be better than the others. Plus no more DKR stop. No need a Lie-flat 764 will never see this route.
34 Evan767: Note that that post was over 5 months ago.
35 Dc863: Typical Delta...........now it's a bloated mega carrier which will offer much more crappy service whether you like it or not. I find it interesting ho
36 Directorguy: In one of the pictures, there's an Egyptair A330-200 incoming from CAI. Next to it is an aircraft with the Egyptian flag on the tailfin. Was the Presi
37 Atlanta: Nice TR! I like your pics! Have you ever flown DL? Atlanta
38 MHTripple7: Wow, I'm surprised to see people commenting almost 5 months after I posted this! Thanks guys. Perhaps. I just noted it because every foreign carrier I
39 DeltaL1011man: LOL My bad Evan and here we have someone who has no idea what they are talking about......or joking. I'll assume its the later if not sounds like you
40 Dc863: I used to live in TLH (until a month ago) where you'd get screwed by DA's prices to fly on a 35 minute flight. Delta lost it's appeal for me. Sure if
42 MHTripple7: Yes, there were touch screen PTV's on board with AVOD in every seat. DL's IFE was very nice actually and I found it to be better than AF's.
43 JAChase: Heaven forbid the FA's are not formal. Why does the greeting matter? The nitpicking people do on here is ridiculous. Plastic cups!?!? Employees that
44 HUYfan: JAChase, you echo my thoughts exactly. This site does indeed appear to have it's fair share of snobby, picky members. People really moan about the mos
45 MHTripple7: I'm just going to say that I wasn't complaining about either of those. I just pointed them for you guys to form your own opinions on whether they're
46 JAChase: You know very well you are whining about having plastic cups and greetings, just like every other pompous person on this site that thinks the world s
47 Stretch 8: I flew to SA in late 2007, with a routing of IAD-LHR (on BA), then LHR to JNB (on SAA, one of the last 744 flights). On my return, it was SAA from CPT
48 ASEFlyer: Hey, great trip report, I have been curious about DL service to SA ever since it started. My aunt and uncle flew the business class ATL-DKR-JNB in Jul