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User currently offlineOzzietukker From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9586 times:

 Cool This will only be my second trip report, so suggestions will be welcome.

When they announced the Dutch Environment Tax I promised myself I would try to avoid this tax as much as possible. (Good excuse to see some other airports).
I searched around the web and found an attractive fare with TG from Frankfurt to Bankok for 560 euro inlcuding tax, I booked it right away, and since the NS at that time charged roughly 100 euro for Amsterdam to Frankfurt by ICE, and Lufthansa only 98 euro I booked the latter.

I arrived 2 hours before departure at Schiphol Airport, as I always do for flights to far away destinations, better to relax at AMS airport at the panoramaterrace then hoping the public transport are not suffering from delays.

I was the second in line at the check in desk for dropping off my luggage (I checked in online), but somehow it took 10 minutes to get to the bags dropped, good thing though that they managed to check my bags all the way to Bangkok, just had to pick up my boarding pass.

Good weather today
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The line at security looked long, but truth to be told, I only stood there for 2 minutes, so I guess there is no reason to complain, and they are actually quite nice nowadays.

There she is;
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September 25, 2008
Amsterdam (AMS) - Frankfurt (FRA)
Flight number; LH4675
Departure; 12:40 (12:55) - 13:50 (13:50)
Aircraft: Airbus A320 (D-AIQL)
Load Factor: 32%
Seat: 25 A

The aircraft arrived on time, but somehow Lufthansa managed to delay the departure by 15 minutes because they did things slow, from boarding to counting pax... or maybe it is me and I am to much used to budget airline flights...

Finally we are moving;
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Take off!
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I am not sure which city this is, if you know, please tell me.
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Time for a well earned meal on a full service carrier;
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The clouds were getting thicker and thicker as we reached Frankfurt which caused quite a lot of turbulence, which I enjoy since then you really feel you are flying;

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There was no air bridge available, so we had to get bussed to the terminal, since there where only 50 people this was not too bad.

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In Amsterdam I was told I had to go to the Lufthansa transfer desk to get my boarding pass but all the desks I visited where not manned. Luckely the countergirl in Amsterdam told me this would probably the case and I could check in with the TG desk at 6 pm.
When walking out of the gate area, I walked into the TG check in desk, and they where checking in people for the 3 pm flight.
I had no intentions to take this flight, I wanted to visit Frankfurt, but I managed to get my boardingpass for the 20.15 flight since my luggage was checked through anyway. (Although the lady at the check in counter did not want to do this, the manager, agreed with me there is no reason not to give out the boarding pass since my luggage was checked through).

Eating and drinking is quite expensive in Frankfurt restaurants, with one exception beïng the MC Donalds. If you have time, they got a nice view of the runway.
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Time goes by fast, and soon it was evening and at the gate I could see the bird taking me to Bangkok;
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/ozzietukker/IMG_0020.jpg

The gate area looks okay, although there are no toilets, so be warned if you go there early.....
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September 25, 2008
Frankfurt (FRA) - Bangkok (BKK)
Flight number; TH0923
Departure; 20:15 (20:45) - 11:55 (12:05)
Aircraft: Boeing 747-400 (HS-TGK)
Load Factor: 98%
Seat: 64 H

I though boarding was complete around 8 pm, I was one of the last to board, but there where some issues with another passenger so we endured a slight delay.

Since this is a night flight there is not much service besides the first drink and meal service. The old boeing 747-400 do not have personal entertainment, and to my surprise at night there was no movie playing. (I do not care much about this, I have a mp3 player and I try to sleep, but no movie playing at all for 6 hours is in my opinion a bit odd).

The colours of the seats look nice;
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/ozzietukker/IMG_0023.jpg

More pictures I not managed to take, since this is a night flight I will take the aisle seat so I do not have to disturb my neighbour whenever I want to walk around the plane.

The landing was okay, albeit at the wrong side of the terminal where we would finally be dock into the gate. But hey, I was on holiday so no time pressure or anything!

After 2,5 weeks Thailand and all its traffic jams it was time to go home
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Flying with TG means there are loads of check in desks, and since this flight leaves at a convenient hour, all the desks where even manned, resulting in only 2 minutes wait and I was on my way. Same as outbound they managed to check my bags through to Amsterdam, only had to pick up my boarding card in Frankfurt.

The Terminal after security
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Can somebody explain me why there are no salespoints for (soft)drinks after security screening? For sure they will be able to make some profit.

This airport is not airlinespottingfriendly for taking pictures
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Nice view
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My favourite budget airliner;
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There is the airline where I will be flying to Hong Kong with;
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October 12, 2008
Bangkok (BKK) - Frankfurt (FRA)
Flight number; TH0922
Departure; 11:55 (12:25) - 18:10 (18:25)
Aircraft: Boeing 747-400 (HS-TGL)
Load Factor: 85%
Seat: 69 K

I was one of the last people to board, personally, if you have a seat number, I don't understand why everybody wants to board at the same time, I will just relax in the gate area waiting till the big rush is gone and everybody boarded the plane.

There were a few people on connecting flights late, so we departed a bit after planned departure time, but this is not too bad since I had enough connection time in Frankfurt.

Take off; Sukhumvit Road naar Bangkok.
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Getting in the clouds soon;
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The meal service lunch;
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There is not much to do with no inflight entertainment, they did play some movies, but on a far away screen it is hard to really get into it. A day flight in my mind takes longer then a night flight, since I found it difficult to sleep.
The onboard staff try to let you lower your window, but since it is a dayflight and I am having a window seat this will not happen. I understand you might want to lower some windowblinds so the TV screen is better visible, but there is no reason for all the window blinds to be lowered.

Somewhere inflight where at least something else then clouds
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The meal service dinner;
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Yes I was dissapointed, this was the exact same fruit platter as I had for lunch. Most airliners actually try to give u something different.
The taste was good though, and for me fruit and yoghurt is the only thing I can eat onboard an airplane, a hot meal my stomach somehow just can't stand....

A bit foggy on approach to Frankfurt;
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Touchdown
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The flight arrived a bit behind shedule, now I really was happy with my flight back to AMS later that evening, rather then the train, since the last train leaves at 19.25, and while it is possible to catch the train, it will cause some stress while waiting for your bag.

I relax waited until about everyone deplaned, and I made my way to the terminal, since you arrive from an 'high risk' country for illegal immigration there are borderpolice checking passports right at the gate, although they are selective who has to show their passport, and when you are european appearance you just walk by.
At the actual passport check point it was busy, but as normal in Europe, if you have an EU passport, they just have a quick look and you are on your way.

I had some 2 hours to kill until my next flight, so I walked around, get my boarding pass hassle free at one of the many lufthansa desks, eat some dinner at the MC Donalds before heading to my gate. (A30 gate, so it took me longer then I thought from terminal 2 where MCD is located.

Not many passengers;
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My last picture;
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October 12, 2008
Frankfurt (FRA) - Amsterdam (AMS)
Flight number; LH4688
Departure; 21:10 (21:30) - 22:20 (22:35)
Aircraft: Airbus 320 (D-AIQD)
Load Factor: 27%
Seat: 28 A changed to 26 F

On board, I realised the flight was really lightly loaded, and 28A is not the best window seat, and since 26F was free I changed to there.

42 people to board can go quite quick, boarding started at 21:00 and was completed 21:10. We only had to wait 20 minutes for pushback, hence the slight delay.

The flight to Amsterdam was quite uneventful, normal drink and candybar service. When landing in the evening at Amsterdam you most likely land at the 'Polderbaan'. This was the case, and by earlier landings I know it would take about 10-12 minutes to the gate.
Lufthansa is probably on a fuel saving program, and they managed to take 21 minutes to the gate.... As it was late at night this annoyed me a bit, they were really taxiing slow....

All in all this flights where okay, Frankfurt is a nice airport, albeit a bit pricey, 3,90 euro for a bottle of soft drink after security is daylight robbery, but it looked well organised and nowhere I had to wait long for anything.

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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9192 times:

Nice report, thanks. I hope you had a good time in Thailand.

Concerning the missing restrooms: I believe you left from the B Gates, up to my knowledge there are restrooms between the boarding gates.

And I must say I'm a little disappointed with the service level of the TG flights. The cabin looks outdated, missing IFE and the food was also not what I would have expected.

But 560 € I guess is a very good price and in the end TG took you safely to BKK! And looking and the load factors I guess many people think the same.

May I ask how many miles you got for your trip?


User currently offlineOzzietukker From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Yes there are restrooms located between the gates in the B terminal, but not at the actual gate itself, they open up te gate area 2 hours before actually boarding the plane...

The inflight entertainment is outdated on the European routes, but for the price paid you can't really complain. I don't know how many miles I would have got, LH and TG had the cheapest offers on the selected routes, and both in Star Alliance meant I was able to check through my luggage.


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

I was interested with the meal choice and realised that you had asked for a fruit platter. I must say that you have a regular trip to the loo with all that fruit!
Nice report shame about the food.
More of a shame that airlinemeals.net has seemed to have closed to new information.It was my favourite site. Maybe we could get a drop down for food on this site??


User currently offlineThaiflyer From Thailand, joined Oct 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8737 times:



Quoting Ozzietukker (Thread starter):
The onboard staff try to let you lower your window, but since it is a dayflight and I am having a window seat this will not happen. I understand you might want to lower some windowblinds so the TV screen is better visible, but there is no reason for all the window blinds to be lowered.

I understand that you like to keep your blind open during the day flight but sometimes the sun can shine directly into your eyes when you are sitting a from seats from that window.
Maybe this is the reason ( i know for sure ) that the cabin crew ask the people to lower the window blind to avoid inconvenienced to other people. The people should check this first before resisting to keep the blinds open.
Besides this a excellent report but a shame to see that Thai did not upgrade these planes after i used this route for the last time back in 2003. ( i have flown this route every 2 weeks for almost 15 years )


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

Really nice TR.

The pics are good.

So how did you enjoy Thailand?

LHs load to/from AMS seems to be really low. Is this usual??


Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Nice report. The offerings from Thai look poor though compared to a lot of carriers.

Quoting Ozzietukker (Thread starter):
I was one of the last people to board, personally, if you have a seat number, I don't understand why everybody wants to board at the same time, I will just relax in the gate area waiting till the big rush is gone and everybody boarded the plane.

I used to think this, not anymore. Certain people should scram their way to board as soon as possible. These are the people that think taking their living room sofa and another bag as hand-luggage they can't lift is fine. They should board as soon as possible, climbing over everyone else even to save the chaos onboard when everyone else is sat down, the lockers are full and they just stare at the cabin crew, their huge luggage at their feet.  silly 



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

Nice report, especially since it has been a while that LH was covered in a TR.
I fully agree on you, when talking about FRA. It is VERY expensive, even more expensive than AMS.
Your outbound flight to FRA didn't surprise me too much about the low loadfactor, this flights is usually the lightest one of the 8 or 9 daily flts to FRA.

Also the LH4688 is not too full most of the time. LH will however not put a smaller a/c on this flight as it will depart the next morning as LH4689 which is usually fully booked.

Considering TG, they just dissapoint me with their service!
Is their A346 service to ZRH just as bad???

Thanks for sharing your report!
Cheers,
Joost ( D-ALCE )



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 770 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Hi there, nice TR.

The service with TG doesnt look great, quite similar to the flights I recently took to BKK with LH. I found the lack of IFE a bit annoying, and like you, the movies being turned off for 6 hours at night was strange I thought (what if you dont want to sleep??). The service on TG was very good when I flew with them though, much better than LH.

Well done again



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User currently offlineOzzietukker From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7519 times:



Quoting Thaiflyer (Reply 4):
I understand that you like to keep your blind open during the day flight but sometimes the sun can shine directly into your eyes when you are sitting a from seats from that window.
Maybe this is the reason ( i know for sure ) that the cabin crew ask the people to lower the window blind to avoid inconvenienced to other people.

I was sitting at the right side of the plane, and as you will be flying to the west this is the north side.
So it was only so the screen in the center was visible, but this can be archieved with half of the window blinds closed also, say 1 open, 1 closed. Not that they bothered me too much after I politely said that it would stay open the rest of the flight.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
So how did you enjoy Thailand?

LHs load to/from AMS seems to be really low. Is this usual??

South East Asia destinations are always a pleasure to go to, especially things are quite cheap considered to Europe,

I knew my midday flight would be very lightly loaded, no surprise there, but they upgraded it from a A319 to an A320, this make me wonder a bit, but the inbound flight might have higher load factors.
I would have thought the last flight of the day from Frankfurt would be more busy then 42 souls who were on board...


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
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Nice report and pictures, thanks for posting.

I'm not impressed with the TG cabin on your flights nor your meals, pretty poor really.

The loads on these LH flights were low, I guess this was a blip?

Rgds

Mark



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