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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 26866 times:

It had been a while since the last time I flew business class for work (policy is C/J for flights over three hours). Last time it was on SQ to JNB. But since I changed jobs internally for the company I work for, I’ll be travelling for work a bit more often.

This time work would take me to Athens for a conference, and since I hadn’t been in Europe in over a year, I decided to also pay a visit to a friend in Belgium and to some of my family in Italy.

I booked myself on SQ (as usual) via Paris, as the flights to Athens are not daily, plus I’d have a chance to try, for the second time only, the new Business Class seats. In addition, I booked myself back via Milan, as I’d be in northern Italy towards the end of my trip. In between, I got a ticket on the TGV to go to and back from Brussels, and I also booked myself to fly on Air France in Business to Athens and on Air One in Economy to Bologna, while I booked an Opel Corsa to drive from Bologna to Milan.

Airline: Singapore Airlines
Flight: SQ 334
Route: SIN-CDG
Equip: Boeing 777-300ER
Dep (Act): 23:55 (00:15)
Arr (Act): 06:55 (06:35)
Class: Business
Seat: 14K

I left the office around 7pm, having just enough time to go buy some souvenirs for the people I was visiting, as well as for ironing my shirts and packing my bags, before I headed out to the airport around 9pm. There was some heavy traffic on the East Coast Parkway, so I decided to fire up my laptop and do some work I had to send out before I got on the plane.

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In a cab on the way to Changi

I got off the cab at gate 5 in the new Terminal 3, where they have some nice lighting outside. It actually looked like Christmas lights. They just keep coming earlier and earlier each year.

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Outside gate 5 Changi Terminal 3

After a quick check in by a trainee, I got my boarding passes and headed to the lounge. The lounge was absolutely packed, as many flights to Europe, North America, North Asia, and Australia leave in the late evening. The new lounge in Terminal 3 is quite big, but it was hard to find a seat. Needless to say that I felt a bit too self-conscious about taking pictures.

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Changi T3

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Changi T3


As I didn’t have time to have dinner at home, I had some of the food at the lounge. I was disappointed there was no dim sum, but figured they just have it for breakfast and that’s it. Instead I had a very spicy curry cauliflower, sweet and sour pork, and Sichuan mushrooms and tofu.

After dining I did some work on my laptop and fired off a few last minute emails before I left the lounge and went over to the gate area. My flight would be leaving from gate A5, which is located in a common lounge which houses gates A1 – A8. Other flights leaving from these gates were the one to BCN via MXP and the non-stop to LAX, in addition to mine, which made the gate area quite crowded. But I didn’t have to wait long, as a minute or two after I arrived there boarding was called for First and Business class as well as for PPS Club and Star Gold members.

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Duty free area

I was the first one on the plane, and all the cheery flight attendants greeted me, well, cheerfully! I made my way past First Class to the second cabin of Business Class and one of the flight attendants showed me to my seat and took my suit bag from the to hang in the closet.

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Boarding pass

Seat 14K is the bulkhead, which has its advantages and its disadvantages. In my opinion, it has more cons than pros. Yes, it is nice that there is no seat in front of you, which gives you a bit more legroom, and also there is no seat next to you, so it is very, very private. The problem is, of course, that it is aft the toilet, so from time to time people pass by your seat. The galley is also next to it, so there is a bit of noise and smell. Additionally, all bulkhead seats have the hinges for the baby basinet, which means that, even in Business Class, chances are there will be a f@#king baby crying the whole flight.

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Stretching out on seat 14K

Once everyone was onboard, the pilot came on the PA introducing the flight crew and the flight attendant crew, and then informed us that the plane that was pushed back behind us had some Mx issues, so we would be delayed by about 15mins. During the delay, the flight attendant came to my seat and asked me if I would like to have a drink after take off. I opted for the Singapore Sling, as long as she made it with a bit of an extra kick, as usually I find it too sweet and lacking alcohol. She also asked me what I would like for supper, and as I thought most of the options were too heavy to have, I opted to have beef pastrami on a foccacia.

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Looking out the window prior to pushback

We pushed back at 12:15am, and taxied quickly to the active. As it was at night, I was a bit disoriented, but I think we took off from rwy 02L. After take off, the FA came over with my cocktail and with some warm nuts. I reclined my seat a bit and did some reading before I put the newspaper and magazines away and watched an episode of The Office.

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About to enter the active rwy

As we flew past the shared coast of Malaysia and Thailand, flying somewhere over the Andaman Sea, and close to the Nicobar Islands, dinner was served. It was started with a very tasty prawn salad with Singapore dressing (a spicier version of Thousand Island). A selection of breads and rolls was offered, before they brought out my sandwich. And what a disappointment that was. First off, the sandwich was tiny, although that may be excused anyway as I wasn’t absolutely starving. But the sandwich was fridge-cold, and thus didn’t taste so good. I ate it anyway, but decided never to ask for it again.


Doing some work…

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…while listening to Coldplay…

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…and drinking a Singapore Sling


After the meal, I went to the toilet to brush my teeth, and then it was time to put my seat in the sleeping position. The seat itself doesn’t recline into a flat bed, rather, you need to put it in the upright position, and then fold it down into a fully flat bed, which is super comfortable, and for someone who is just 5’8 (about 173cm), it’s big enough to stretch out a bit.

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What was left over from the starter  wink 

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Half a pastrami sandwich

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Capuccino and Perrier


I fell asleep while we were somewhere above the Bay of Bengal and had a very good rest. I didn’t wake up until about 6 hours later, at which point we were flying over Georgia and just about to cruise above the Black Sea.

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Waking up over Georgia

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Now you may wonder what woke me up. Was it:

a) The mood lighting
b) The smell of Colombian coffee being brewed
c) The beautiful FA shaking me ever so lightly
d) The howling cries of a 2-year old girl

Well, the answer is obvious! It was the f@#king little girl. Now, when I fly Economy and choose the bulkhead seat, I know I am at a high risk of having crying babies around me. When I fly Business Class, I do not expect nor can I stand crying babies around me. But this little girl would not shut her trap, nor did her mother attempt to shut her up either. As soon as she woke up, she started running up and down the aisle. And it was a good thing that the flight attendant escorted her back to her seat, as she was very very close to getting an unintentional slap in the face.

Since I was already up, I decided to turn my bed back into a seat and continue to do some work, as well as start writing this TR. As I did so, I ordered two cappuccinos and a glass of OJ. That, while listening to Coldplay’s Lovers in Japan song was the perfect way to wake up.


Toilet

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Sink

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Ammenities


I caught up on some additional work, before breakfast, which was served about 2 hours before landing. It started with a small but good fruit salad, rolls and croissants, a very nice and strong coffee, corn flakes, which I declined, and the main, for which I chose the dim sum. I usually ask for the dim sum option on SQ as I know it’s fairly tasty and it’s lighter than the usual eggs and bacon, etc, that they offer as an alternative. The dim sum consisted of some glutinous rice with pork and mushrooms, some pork and prawn dumplings, and carrot cake, which was all quite good and dipped in a spicy chilli sauce.

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Writing the TR while drinking coffee and OJ

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Seat controls

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IFE remote


Information screen on the remote

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Seating area and view towards the galley

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My seat

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Delicious dim sum


After the FA’s picked up all the plates and cutlery from breakfast, the captain came on about 30mins outside of Paris giving us an update of the weather conditions, and then he instructed the crew to get ready for landing, which seemed a bit premature, as we ended up circling around quite a bit. It was very cloudy and I couldn’t see the ground outside until nearly close to touching down. We then made our way to Terminal 1 and parked fairly close to an Air Gabon 767 under a rainy Parisian sky.

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Air Gabon 767 and a rainy Paris

It was a wonderful flight for sure and the FA’s had been very nice, even chatting to me quite a bit, which I find is a rarity on SQ as some of them can be too robotic to do small talk.

After landing, I headed towards immigration. It seemed like a bit of a mess since a few other flights from Asia and the US arrived at the same time, and there were only six booths open, and I did have a choice of using my EU or my US passport, but decided on using the EU one as the line was much faster. After this I headed to baggage claim, picked up my bag, and rushed to the TGV station to catch my train to Brussels. Unfortunately, the TGV automatic machines are totally inept and do not accept Visa, Mastercard (but they take Maestro. Huh???), nor Amex, so I had to stand in line to pick up the ticked I had booked and paid for online, but of course by then I had missed the train.

Airline: Air France
Flight: AF 1832 rebooked to AF 2332
Route: CDG-ATH
Equip: Airbus A320
Dep [New] (Act): 13:55 [18:15] (18:35)
Arr [New] (Act): 18:10 [22:30] (22:50)
Class: Business
Seat: 1C rebooked to 3F

After finally making it to Brussels, I spent most of the rest of the day on a train to Luxembourg, had dinner there, and then went back north to Antwerp for some Belgian beer. The next day, unfortunately, my train problems would only get worse. My Intercity to Brussels got cancelled, so I missed the TGV to CDG. I then opted for the Thalys to Paris Gare du Nord, but that one was delayed by over an hour due to some tech problems in Holland.

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Antwerp Centraal

The problem now was that I had checked in online in case I got to the airport a bit too close to departure, which in retrospect was quite stupid. When I tried to call the travel desk I use, they told me they couldn’t cancel my booking, but they did manage to book me on the later flight. I made it to CDG 2D about 15mins after my flight had departed, but luckily I had no problems on getting a seat on the 615pm flight. After this, I headed to the Salon Air France, which is the lounge I presume used for intra-Europe flights. The quality overall was somewhere between a US lounge and an Asian one. In terms of furniture, etc, it looked like those in the US, but at leats it had some free sandwiches, coffee, drinks, and alcohol.

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Food at the Salon Air France

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Salon Air France

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Salon Air France


About an hour before the scheduled departure I left the lounge as I didn’t know how long the lines at security would be, plus I was in need of a bit of retail therapy. The good thing was that the security lines were empty, but the bad news was that the little shopping to be done was pre-security. This terminal reminded me a bit of LaGuardia or some of JFK’s old terminals. I did find a Swatch booth and was swayed into buying one of the new 007 Quantum of Solace edition watches, which was pretty cool and IMO a good buy.

The gate areas were all pretty full, so I just stood around in front of my gate reading The Economist while I waited. It was close to boarding time and it was announced that we would have a delay (no excuse given) of about 15 minutes, which was then followed by another announcement saying that our flight would have an additional delay of another 15 minutes as there was some kind of mechanical issue with the jetway (even though we were boarding by stairs).

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Our plane to Athens

Once boarding was called, a bit of a crowd formed around the small gate area, but soon enough I got past the gate, down the jetway stairs, up the other stairs next to the plane, and on to my seat, 3F.

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Boarding through stairs

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Boarding pass


During boarding those of us in Classe Affaires were offered champagne or OJ. I had the champagne, as after such a long day I needed the taste of alcohol. We pushed back at 6:35pm and had a bit of a long taxi to the active.

Once in the air, the male FA came around offering amenity kits, which I thought was a nice touch. There were only three items: A pair of socks, eyeshades, and a moist towelette, but the amenity bag was quite nice and I decided to keep it. This was then followed by the menu, which more than a menu it was rather a list of what would be served, without a choice.

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Amenity kit

Still, the food was not bad. There was a prawn, veggies, and feta cheese salad. The main was a veal stroganoff with rice pilaf, along with a roll, cheese, dessert, and coffee.

I was very tired from all the train travel and rushing during the day that I fell asleep for most of the flight, and didn’t wake up until we were descending into Athens. The captain came on advising weather in Athens was good, with a temperature of just over 20 C, and a little fog. Well, it turned out to be a lot of fog! On our first attempt to land, we only managed to see the runway lights a few meters before landing, so the captain revved up the engines and aborted the landing. It was interesting to see that the city had no fog, but the airport was completely engulfed in it.

We circled the airport and came in for a second approach, after which we landed successfully. However, when taxiing to the gate you could no see for more than 5 meters ahead, as the fog was super thick. I was very surprised at the fact that we landed under such poor visibility and that we didn’t divert to another airport instead.

Airline: Air One
Flight: AP 4402
Route: ATH-NAP-BLQ
Equip: CRJ-900
Dep (Act): 14:10 (14:45)
Arr (Act): 16:35 (17:15)
Class: Economy
Seat: 15A

After a week in Athens of hard work but also very good food, it was time to head to Italy to spend the weekend there with family before going back to Asia.

I booked a car to take me to the airport, which took about 30mins. I had to walk a bit to the Air One check in counter, and found there was a bit of confusion, as there were three counters open, one for Milan, one for Bologna in Economy, and one for Bologna in Business, although everyone was lining up at the Business Class counter. I got my boarding pass and managed to get a priority tag on my bag (Air One is a Lufthansa partner), and after that I headed to the duty free to buy some unbelievably cheap bottle of Ouzo (a big bottle for €4.95).

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Athens Departures board

Security was painless and I headed to gate B24, where I learned the flight had been delayed to 2.45pm and apparently the route had changed from ATH-NAP-BLQ to ATH-BLQ-NAP, which was better for me anyway. Well, turns out no one at the gate really knew where the airplane would stop first.

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LH A321

Once boarding started, we all got on a bus to a ramp were 2 or 3 Air One planes were a long with 4 or 5 Aegean 737s. Once we boarded and were all seated, we were told that the delay was because our airplane had brought in a mechanic to work on another Air One plane, and we needed to wait for him as he would go back to Naples in our plane.

Of course, my luck being what it is, I was seated in a windowless window seat, which sucks if you’re an airplane enthusiast as well as if you’re claustrophobic! So not too many pics from this flight for that reason.

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Row 15

15 minutes after this announcement we were on our way. Not sure which way we took off, but once in the air I found out that we were stopping at Naples first, rather than in Bologna, which was the original plan anyway. Service on this flight consisted of a drink and a pack of crackers or cookies. I opted for the crackers and they helped stave off hunger. About an hour into the air, we started our descent into Napoli and landed 20mins later. We taxied to a ramp where there were another 3 or 4 Air One planes. I asked one of the flight attendants if those passengers continuing to Bologna could stay on board or if we had to get off the plane, and she told me that we had to get off the plane and check in again! This didn’t make sense at all, so I asked her if I had to go all the way past security and to the front of the airport to check in, and she said yes! Well, I knew she had to be wrong, so I asked the other FA and she said we could stay on board! Now I was a bit confused and mostly scared that a) my bags weren’t checked to Bologna (I didn’t check) and b) that I indeed had to check in again and that if I didn’t they would assume I was a no-show.

Finally another FA came on and said that those going to Bologna had to disembark, but that we should do it last and we should board another bus. We waited a good 20mins for the other bus to arrive, and by the time it took us to the terminal, passengers from Naples to Bologna were already boarding the bus taking us to the plane to Bologna! Well, that was quite stupid, although I did learn a few minutes later that we were taking another plane to Bologna. I found all this very confusing, but once I was seated on the plane to Bologna I felt relatively safe that both I and my bags would make it to the correct destination.

The snack service on this leg was the same as the one before, and again I had the crackers. The pilot (who sounded very American) came on the PA and told us that we would be at the gate in Bologna exactly an hour after take off, which indeed was the case.

After landing in Bologna, I had hoped not to wait for too long for my bag as supposedly I was to get one of those priority tags, but of course I didn’t get it and it didn’t seem to make much of a difference as most of the bags came out before any of the priority ones did.

Airline: Singapore Airlines
Flight: SQ 377
Route: MXP-SIN
Equip: Boeing 777-300ER
Dep (Act): 12:50 (12:50)
Arr (Act): 07:40 (07:45)
Class: Business
Seat: 16A

I rented a car to drive from Bologna to Milan, as there are no direct flights and the train connections make you go into the city of Milan, then take the subway, and then on to another train to the airport, which sounded like too much of a hassle to me.

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Opel Corsa I rented to drive to Milan

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On the A1 between Bologna and Milan


I took me about 3 hours to drive to Milan, at an average of 140km/h. There were signs pointing to an exit for Terminal 1 and one for Terminal 2, but there was no indication as to which one was for which airlines or which exit was the one for car rental return. I decided to get off on Terminal 1, which was a lucky move as this was the international terminal as well as the place to drop off the car. Once I did that, I went to check-in lane 5 and got my boarding pass and a card that would allow me to use the fast track security lane as well as the BA Terraces Lounge.

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Milan Malpensa T1

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Aegean and Crossair

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Turkish, US Air, Qatar, and American

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Check in area full of ads for Prada, Armani, Zegna, etc.

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Air China, Etihad, Air One, and Blue Panorama

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Alitalia, Eurofly, and Livingston


The lounge was OK. It was quite small and it seemed to be shared between many airlines. The food and beverage options we OK as well, they mostly offered sandwiches, but those were quite good. I had probably 5 little sandwiches (was very hungry!), a bottle of peach juice, and some fizzy San Pellegrino water.

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Entrance to the BA Terraces

I tried to connect to the lounge’s wifi, but it didn’t work, so I connected to some pay-per-day wifi, but the signal was so low in the lounge that it made the internet very slow. After nearly two hours in the lounge, I headed to gate B10, from which we would depart. 10mins after boarding commenced and again I was one of the first to board. Once on board I was offered a Tropical Sparkle, a copy of the IHT, but none of the Economist! That was a shame, as I nearly bought one in the airport terminal.

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Air One A330

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Air One A330 and EgyptAir A321

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Row 16

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TAM A330

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My seat

We pushed back on time and departed to the North. We continued on this course for some time and we got a fantastic view of the Swiss alps!

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AF320

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Lining up on the active

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The alps!


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After take off we were offered a cocktail, but I just asked for Perrier as it seemed too early for alcohol. The Perrier was brought nice and cold, with a wedge of lemon, along with chicken and mutton satay, which were quite tasty. Then one of the FAs came to my seat and took my order for lunch. I chose the pork with vegetables and oriental rice.

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Satay

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Flying somewhere over Eastern Europe


The food service started with smoked salmon and potato salad, which was followed by the main. The pork and rice were very good, although the vegetables were overcooked. For desert there was a flan in some sort of citric sauce, which was quite nice, and I finished it off with a cappuccino.

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Smoked salmon to start

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Pork, rice, and vegetables with Oriental sauce


After the meal service was over I watched a few TV shows, such as Curb your Enthusiasm and How I Met Your Mother. After this I watched The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, which was not great, but was better than the other options. I decided to go to sleep after this, as there were only about 5 hours left in the flight. I turned my seat into a bed and went to sleep comfortably. However, I didn’t sleep much and kept on waking up every 30mins or so, but not because it was uncomfortable. The new seat is fantastic and you can really stretch out.

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Sunset somewhere over the Caucasus

I woke up about two hours before arrival, as we were flying over the Andaman and Nicobar islands, just about to go over land again, this time over Malaysia. At this time the FAs were taking breakfast orders. Breakfast started with fruit, a full mug of strong coffee, a croissant, and followed by cornflakes and the main, which was omelette, veal sausages, a mix between a hash brown and roesti, and a grilled tomato. The main was OK, the sausages looked a bit funny, but it all tasted good. I really like the fact that SQ serves you a full mug of coffee, rather than the small cups that are used on other airlines.

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Sunrise over Malaysia

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We started our descent somewhere over central peninsular Malaysia and landed on rwy 20R and made a short taxi to Terminal 3. After disembarking, I went to the empty immigration area, got my work pass checked, and headed to the duty free to buy some booze and then to the belt to pick up my bag, before I hopped in a taxi and went home.

If you’ve read this far, hope you enjoyed it, and please leave a comment!

Upcoming reports:

- SIN-PEK-SIN on SQ J
- SIN-JNB-SIN on SQ J

Cheers
Coal


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User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 26661 times:

Great Trip Report. Thank you for sharing. Can you please take a lot of cabin view pics of the aircraft. I would love to see what all these exotic airline cabins look like.
Thanks once again,
Rgds
744


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1405 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 26630 times:

Whoa!Great TR.The drive to catch your SQ flight form MXP-SIN really gave a first-hand feel to it.


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User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 26608 times:



Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, the TGV automatic machines are totally inept and do not accept Visa, Mastercard (but they take Maestro. Huh???), nor Amex, so I had to stand in line to pick up the ticked I had booked and paid for online, but of course by then I had missed the train.

Hi

Maestro is a debit card and not a credit card and the French are not very keen on personal debit. So maybe thats why the machine takes a debit card but not a credit card.

I hope you did not have to wait in line too long at the ticket desk. In my view CDG is one of the worst place to get train tickets in France.

Great trip report by the way.

Alex


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 26343 times:

Great report, very good pictures.
I 100% agree with you attitude towards "young passengers" in Business Class, or First come to that, there should be a total ban on them.  duck 
Bad parents are just like bad dog owners.
The food looked great, was that "real" knives and forks?



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User currently offlineAir380 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 25919 times:

Nice report,
and my comment I would like to leave is, sorry that you had a screaming kid with you in the plane. I am a parent, and while my kids are now big, they were once small and I remember them crying in a plane, and yes, it was in business class, despite everything I tried, one would not shut up. I remember wanting to send him to "play outside" and being so embarrased. Yes, it is annoying, but a little compassion is sometimes a good thing.


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 25723 times:
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Enjoyable report.

Thanks for taking the time to share your journey with us, I look forward to your next adventures.

kev.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 25643 times:

Awesome trip you had...

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
Well, the answer is obvious! It was the f@#king little girl. Now, when I fly Economy and choose the bulkhead seat, I know I am at a high risk of having crying babies around me. When I fly Business Class, I do not expect nor can I stand crying babies around me. But this little girl would not shut her trap, nor did her mother attempt to shut her up either. As soon as she woke up, she started running up and down the aisle. And it was a good thing that the flight attendant escorted her back to her seat, as she was very very close to getting an unintentional slap in the face.

No one intentionally brings a screaming kid on the plane. I myself have been at the mercy of screaming kids on the plane but instead of getting angry, perhaps you might like to help the parent out to entertain the child? Sometimes if a parent sits there and does nothing, it could also mean that he or she is somewhat stressed by the journey and is too tired. Trust me, I have travelled enough to see such scenarios.

A polite "Hi there, do you mind strapping your child in?" normally gets the message across.



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User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 25630 times:

Thank you for the report, sir!

Sorry to hear about the child. Children certainly do not have a monopoly on being annoying as I've experienced some positively obnoxious behaviours from adults in J class, but at least SQ has removed children's discounts on their J and P fares to try and deter people from booking children up front (and to help their yield, no doubt).

Now, I think there is a time and place for a good f@#k. I do it myself from time to time. However in my opinion refering to a young child with a swear word was unnecessarily demeaning for both of you. You have every right to express your annoyance and expectations, but maybe it could have been worded differently and conveyed your point just as, if not more, effectively?

Ok, that's the point of difference over, on to a thank you. I loved the pictures out the window of the Alps. I live in the tropics I am starting to have "cold weather" fantasies. Thanks for giving me a wee fix.  Smile

Respectfully yours, TravellerPlus



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User currently offlineLXA333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25253 times:

Great Trip Report! Nice european trip in the off-season right before the cold, a tad cheaper than usual! Those FAs on your bologna flight could use a couple of english courses hehe. Sorry to hear about the child testing your temper out. You should get the bose headphones to drown out the cabin noise!

I see that you're a huge fan of Lovers in Japan! SAME HERE! Fave song on that album. Good stuff.

Thanks once again for the TR.

Phil



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User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25071 times:

Firstly, I have to say, your trip reports are fantastic and I really enjoy reading them, with much envy at the frequent F and J class travel you get to do on SQ, my favourite airline, so well done and keep it up!

Unfortunately, I do think you were a little harsh on the child....i have a 2 year old; we have travelled long haul twice this year MEL-BCN and MEL-AMS (both times in economy) and it IS a struggle, even when one is prepared for the journey as toddlers and babies are just not programmed to sit quietly for 12 hours without some unsettled behaviour. I agree that F or j class is not the idela cabin for them, but this is up to the airline to enforce. I certainly think that swearing at a 2 year old who was just being a normal 2 year old is not very nice.

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 4):
100% agree with you attitude towards "young passengers" in Business Class, or First come to that, there should be a total ban on them.
Bad parents are just like bad dog owners

I find THIS comment particularly objectionable....Bad parents because their 2 year is unsettled?!! Cmon...you are obviously not or have never been a parent. Please don't make such an unfair and sweeping statement like that.

Children of all ages will always have to fly with their parents one way or the other. I know that there are clearly child friendly and child hating Anetters around...often, it has to do with whether one has ever been a parent, but to totally ban children from flying is draconian, selfish and well, just mean.

Having said all this, I have found the SQ cabin crew only too happy to welcome children on board; not only that, but without exception, they have gone out of their way to provide the best child friendly cabin in the sky..........this is why as a family, we always fly with them. So if you want someone to blame, try taking it up with SQ.

Qantasclub



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24349 times:

Thanks for all the comments and happy that people enjoy reading them. At the end of the day, it can become a bit of a chore to write them.

Apologies for the comments on the little girl. Clearly I'm not a parent, and if I ever am, will probably look back and say how wrong I was. But I would still prefer if parents wouldn't take babies in Business Class. It was not a flight for pleasure. I was trying to do work and I wanted to arrive fresh at my destination. Noise canceling headphones would not do the trick as they don't block out voice sound waves. Anyway, sorry.

Quoting 744 (Reply 1):
Great Trip Report. Thank you for sharing. Can you please take a lot of cabin view pics of the aircraft. I would love to see what all these exotic airline cabins look like.
Thanks once again,

Thanks. Yes, will try and take some more pics on my next trip. The outgoing trip to China will have the regional business class seats, which are crap, plus the flight will be at night, but the return is on the 77W, so I'll try and take some more pics.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):
Whoa!Great SA Linhas Aereas">TR.The drive to catch your SQ flight form MXP-SIN really gave a first-hand feel to it.

Thanks!

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 3):
I hope you did not have to wait in line too long at the ticket desk. In my view CDG is one of the worst place to get train tickets in France.

Long enough to miss my train!

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 4):
The food looked great, was that "real" knives and forks?

They do, except to Australia (and assume the US, but I can't remember).

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 6):
Thanks for taking the time to share your journey with us, I look forward to your next adventures.

Thanks! I'll report on my trip to Beijing, but probably focus more on the return. Although I am taking a flight from Beijing to Datong, not sure on the airline yet, but will try and report that one as that one will be pretty exotic.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 7):
Awesome trip you had...

Thanks!

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 9):
I see that you're a huge fan of Lovers in Japan! SAME HERE! Fave song on that album. Good stuff.

Yes, I am! Very good morning son.

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 10):
Firstly, I have to say, your trip reports are fantastic and I really enjoy reading them, with much envy at the frequent F and J class travel you get to do on SQ, my favourite airline, so well done and keep it up!

Thanks a lot! Will keep 'em coming.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineJoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 24259 times:
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Quoting Coal (Reply 11):
I would still prefer if parents wouldn't take babies in Business Class. It was not a flight for pleasure. I was trying to do work and I wanted to arrive fresh at my destination.

Tough call. I just arrived on SQ1 SFO - HKG. I was in F and my heart *sank* when a lady with her 6 mo old sat across from me! I knew I was in for a long flight across the Pacific. I had to hit the ground running in HKG after arrival and really needed to sleep / work on the flight.

Part of me was resigned to the inevitable knowing that the baby had every right to be there and the mother also spent a lot of $ for her seat, but part of me was upset that my plans and flight and maybe even my performance at work the next day would be effected.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24037 times:
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Hi Coal,

Great report and pictures as always, thanks for posting.

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
all bulkhead seats have the hinges for the baby basinet, which means that, even in Business Class, chances are there will be a f@#king baby crying the whole flight.

- I feel you pain, hate kids up front too!

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
Once in the air, the male FA came around offering amenity kits, which I thought was a nice touch. There were only three items: A pair of socks, eyeshades, and a moist towelette, but the amenity bag was quite nice and I decided to keep it. This was then followed by the menu, which more than a menu it was rather a list of what would be served, without a choice.

- Nice touch, never knew AF did this on flights of this length.

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
Finally another FA came on and said that those going to Bologna had to disembark

- Thank goodness someone knows what to do, just amazing!

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
and some fizzy San Pellegrino water

- Love that stuff  Smile

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1194 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24016 times:

Coal.

Thanks for a great report and your pics.

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments with children who are disruptive on aircraft. Why do children so young nowdays need to be dragged around by their parents to travel vast ocean distances in any case?

It's always the same today and not just in aircraft - people with children expect everyone else around them to be compassionate and "patient" if their children are unsettled or disruptive in a public place -as though nobody else has a right to peace and quiet. Nobody forced anyone to have children and that's a personal choice but just because parents have to listen to their little ones screaming all day doesn't mean the rest of us have to as well.

However, what's worse are those parents who actually do nothing about it and I have seen this time and time again, particularly on aircraft, which some might regard as equally as inconsiderate as someone who is travelling for work and trying to work to meet important deadlines and needs a quiet space to work. Business Class is exactly that - for business travellers. Not for young children or babies. I was shocked in 2006 on my flight on EK from DXB to Australia that almost 90% of the J cabin was taken up with young children. I was actually glad to be in Y for that flight.



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User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 24006 times:



Quoting Coal (Reply 11):
Apologies for the comments on the little girl.

Big tumbs up, sir! .

Although I have recently signed up, I have been reading these forums for a while and seen how natsy it can get get at times. Still, I signed up because I have enjoyed reports such as yours, please keep them coming.

I know how you feel as I have had to travel on business myself. There have been occassions when I need to be fresh but my sleep has been disturbed by a baby crying on the plane, loud hotel guests, traffic noise or plain old jet lag. I have resigned myself to the fact that a good night's sleep is not impossible, but should not be expected when on the road/wing.

Respectfully yours, TravellerPlus



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User currently offlineGlobetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 379 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 23833 times:

An excellent trip report Coal. Some lovely pictures and great detail.

I really like the presentation of the food in the 'new' Business Class. All the plates are very stylish and the food looks amazing.

For some reason my journeys always take me on the older SpaceBeds and this trip report has really increased my appetite for the new Singapore Airlines Business Class again. Your trip was quite an adventure and a pleasure to read.

Thank you for all your efforts and keep those reports coming!

Globetraveller


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 23211 times:



Quoting Palmjet (Reply 14):
It's always the same today and not just in aircraft - people with children expect everyone else around them to be compassionate and "patient" if their children are unsettled or disruptive in a public place -as though nobody else has a right to peace and quiet. Nobody forced anyone to have children and that's a personal choice but just because parents have to listen to their little ones screaming all day doesn't mean the rest of us have to as well.

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Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 16):
For some reason my journeys always take me on the older SpaceBeds and this trip report has really increased my appetite for the new Singapore Airlines Business Class again. Your trip was quite an adventure and a pleasure to read.

Thanks. Well, you should check out on their schedule (or, if you have access to, something like an OAG schedule) and see which equipment they're using on a specific route. For your info, the new business class seats are available on the A345, the B77W, and the A380.

Thanks for all the other feedback.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23177 times:

Hey, my favorite trip reporter has reappeared after a few months-long absence. Well done as always man! And thanks for taking the time to sharing the details of your flights with us.

I really look forward to your next trip!

Quoting Coal (Thread starter):
even in Business Class, chances are there will be a f@#king baby crying the whole flight.

LOL I guess enough has been said about this by other posters, so I won't add any more comments.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22512 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
Hey, my favorite trip reporter has reappeared after a few months-long absence. Well done as always man! And thanks for taking the time to sharing the details of your flights with us.

I really look forward to your next trip!

Thanks Eddie. Off to PEK in a few hours, will report back on that one in about 10 days.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22148 times:

Great trip report!

From December, the train between Bologna and Milan will take only one hour and from next year (maybe September, but I'm not sure) the Malpensa Express will leave from the Central Station of Milan (now it leaves from Cadorna Station).


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21289 times:



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 20):
Great trip report!

From December, the train between Bologna and Milan will take only one hour and from next year (maybe September, but I'm not sure) the Malpensa Express will leave from the Central Station of Milan (now it leaves from Cadorna Station).

Thanks for the news, good to know. Although I did like the drive to Milan, I would've rather spent the time catching up on some impending work, so if I do this trip again, I will make sure to take the train instead.

Cheers
Coal



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