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User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 28973 times:

Bogota, Colombia (BOG/SKBO) to Madrid, Spain (MAD/LEMD).
Iberia Lineas Aereas de España S.A.
Date: July 5th 2008
Flight number: IBE6740
Aircraft: Airbus A340-642 EC-INO (Gaudi)
Scheduled departure time: 17:00 LT
Real departure time: 17:30 LT
Passenger load: 100% (352 passengers on board, according to the cabin crew)
Cabin: Coach

I arrived on time to Eldorado, at 14:00 LT to be checked in for my MAD flight. As always, BOG's check in area was completely crowded (we will have nothing else to do than have patience, until the new terminal is completed), and, specially, Iberia's counters. Together with my flight, there were passengers doing the same process for flight IBE6742, which was scheduled to depart at 19:00 LT to MAD. After an hour or more, I got checked in and told to go to gate C7.

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Iberia Airbus A340-642 EC-INO arriving from Madrid as IBE6741 to Eldorado's gate C7.

At around 16:00 LT I got into the emigration lounge which was, of course, crowded. But, even though it was crowded, security and passport checks were done rapidly by lots of employees. I continued onto gate C7, which was the assigned one for our departure. At gate C2 there was an Avianca Boeing 767-300ER which recently arrived from Cali and Madrid as AVA015, at gate C4 the AFR423 flight to Paris CDG was boarding and, among others, gate C5 was being prepared to receive the passengers for Avianca flight 008 to Miami, on board Boeing 757-200 N802PG.

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Avianca Boeing 757-200 N802PG being towed into gate C5 for her flight to Miami (AVA008).

At around 16:45 LT, boarding commenced through aircraft's door 2L. I rapidly reached my window seat, which had, as all others, a blanket and a pair of socks, but, definitely, a cramped seat. Once I got seated, I saw another Iberia A340, exactly an A340-300, which just arrived from Madrid (IBE6743). After leaving runway 13R, It was holding on taxiway Delta and it did it for a while, until, finally, it taxied to gate C8. After that, a Paris bound Air France A340-300 (AFR423 F-GNIG), was pushed back onto taxiway Romeo.

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Cabin view during boarding of flight IBE6740 to Madrid

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Air France Airbus A340-300 F-GNIG starting its daily service to Paris (CDG)

We pushed back at 17:30 LT with the nose to the north and onto taxiway Delta. After starting engines, we taxied via X-Ray, Sierra and Mike to the holding point runway 13R, for a south departure flying the ZIP1E SID. Once climbing over the broken clouds layer, we've got to see a beautiful sunset.

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Taxiing via Mike to the holding point runway 13R.










Takeoff from BOG's runway 13R.

While flying over Venezuela and the Antilles, the flight was a bit bumpy and the seat belts sign remained turned on for a while. Some kids (a group going to a summer camp in England) unattended the instruction and did not remain seated, being yelled by the flight attendants, after trying a polite way to maintain them seated. At around 20:30 Colombian time, the service commenced, and we were offered pasta or meatballs for supper, plus Coke and or juice. It was a good meal. I remained listening to the in-flight music entertainment system for a while (nothing special).

Once flying over the coast of Portugal, the breakfast was offered: a ham and cheese croissant, with orange juice and coffee. Also, a nice meal. We started our descent and made a nice approach to Barajas' runway 18R that concluded on a greasy landing. We rapidly left the runway to the left (taxiway Z7) and taxied to Terminal 4S (gate 550). Immigration was fast and once I got my passport stamped, I took the train to Terminal 4, to claim my luggage. It arrived perfectly and, as well, very fast. Despite the uncomfortable coach seats and a normal in-flight entertainment, this flight was a good job of Iberia.

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Descending to Madrid.

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Short final for runway 18R at Barajas.

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Iberia Airbus A340-642 at Barajas' Terminal 4S.


Madrid, Spain (MAD/LEMD) to Bogota, Colombia (BOG/SKBO).
Iberia Lineas Aereas de España S.A.
Date: August 9th 2008
Flight number: IBE6743
Aircraft: Airbus A340-313X EC-IDF (Mariana Pineda)
Scheduled departure time: 14:15 LT
Real departure time: 14:15 LT
Passenger load: 95% (Only a couple of business seats were empty)
Cabin: Business


The day before departure to BOG, I mean, Friday August 8th 2008, I arrived to MAD on Iberia from AGP on a late afternoon flight. I decided to check in for my next day flight to Colombia, and, in effect, I did it. The process in Barajas' Terminal 4 was very fast and comfortable. I came back again the day of my flight and checked my remaining luggage and, despite it was crowded, the service was done rapidly. Before taking the train to Terminal 4S and passing the security check, I was able to see an Avianca Boeing 767-300ER, parked at gate 585, that was about to depart to Cali and Bogota (AVA015).

After passing through emigration, already inside Terminal 4S, I went directly to IB's VIP lounge, until the boarding of my flight started. It is a huge and very comfortable room with Internet, newspapers, food (very good "tapas", among others) and alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages (I tasted a good Cava). Once told to do so, I went to gate (parking position) 565, were the boarding of flight IBE6743 was in process. It was done through doors 1 and 2L, really fast.

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Iberia Airbus A340-313X EC-IDF (Mariana Pineda) while boarding flight IBE6743 to BOG.

On my seat, I found a blanket, headphones and the amenities kit. To the right, there was a LanChile Airbus A340-300 and behind us, to the right, an Iberworld Airbus A330. Before pushing back and during taxi to runway 36L, the crew offered us a glass of Cava. Then, we entered to runway 36L via taxiway Z3 and started our takeoff roll, parallel to an Airbus A320 taking off from runway 36R to the East. We flew our CCS (Caceres) departure, to the West and towards the Atlantic Ocean.

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Business cabin view, during boarding of flight IBE6743 to BOG.

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Iberworld A330

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LanChile A340







Entering runway 36L for departure. Note the Avianca Boeing 767-200ER N988AN parked at gate 582, that had just arrived from BOG as AVA010.




Takeoff from runway 36L. Note the A320 turning right, to the East.

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Flying our departure towards Extremadura.

During climb and cruise, I enjoyed the personal entertainment system and the very comfortable "bed" of IB's BusinessPlus. Once crossing the coast of Portugal, the lunch began to be served; excellent food (including Gazpacho) and a very well studied wine chart was offered (I tasted a couple of very good Rioja wines). After the service, the bar was opened and refilled constantly with "tapas", snacks and all class of beverages. Over Venezuela, we got another nice meal.

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Over the coast of Portugal, enroute to BOG.

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After our descent, we approached to runway 13R at Eldorado, ending with a greasy landing and leaving the runway to the left, via Delta. We arrived behind schedule and we met Company's EC-JPU (Airbus A340-642) that was parked at gate C7 and ready to depart to MAD as IBE6740; we waited until it left and parked, as well, at gate C7. I left the aircraft through door 2L and went to the immigration lounge, were they stamped my passport (amazingly, immigration was really fast!); then I picked up my luggage, which arrived rapidly. EXCELLENT service on this flight, I must say.













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View from the south of Eldorado's Concourse 'C': IBE A346 at C7, AVA B763 at C6, AFR A343 at C4 and AVA B762 at C2.

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AFR423 to Paris, during pushback.

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Avianca Boeing 757-200 EI-CEZ at C5.

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Iberia Airbus A340-642 EC-JPU during pushback as IBE6740.

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Avianca Boeing 767-200ER at gate C2 (taken while I was waiting for my luggage).

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User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27108 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28346 times:

Hey nice report and some nice photos. Some did not show up though. IB looks like a decent enough product. The seats look comfy just shame if the seat pitch is bad. The return in J looks really nice. Its many years since I flew IB and that was J class HAV-MAD in the old blue velvet type seats.

Glad to see they are still nice to fly with .

OA260


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28023 times:

I flew IB to New York from Madrid and liked it.

User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 27980 times:

Hola Jigarciar!

Thanks for this insight in IB.

I was not aware that they offered a twice daily service BOG-MAD.

I prefer the 346 to the 343. The J cabin is all in one piece.

The food in J is really outstanding, although sometimes the presentation could be bettered IMHO. The cellar has excellent choices. I have always savored excellent wines with them. Sadly I do not travel with them anymore.

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 27779 times:
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Thanks, good report and pictures.

I've been a little worried abouth the Y service on IB for a while though yours seemed better, stilll not sure I'd risk it though.

The return in J seemed good too, again getter than we have read about recently.

Thanks

Mark



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 27390 times:

Nice TR.

The pics are good.

IBs product in Y doesnt look so good, but the service in Business class looked good.



Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27323 times:

I so want to go to Madrid!

Nice report! I have a question: Is there really a difference between Lineas Aereas or Aerolineas??


User currently offlineTroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 26896 times:



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 6):
Is there really a difference between Lineas Aereas or Aerolineas??

Not really. It's the same as "Airways" and "Airlines"


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26833 times:

Hi

good report on IB! And good pics too. Although I flew only on shorter sectors with them, my A343 ride (TFS-MAD) in Y was also a positive experience. So yes, I also think that IB still offers an interesting product, also longhaul. Would love to try them some day in C for a long flight...

Eric



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26673 times:

Good TR! Great pics! Looks like IB is pretty nice  Smile


Roar, lion, roar
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 26131 times:

Yhanks for the report.

I'll be flying next summer with IB BOG-MAD-LHR-MAD-BOG in J, so this gives a good idea on what to expect.

How about their IFE??

Cheers

777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25881 times:

Thank you all for the comments. I hope you enjoyed it.

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 1):
Hey nice report and some nice photos. Some did not show up though. IB looks like a decent enough product. The seats look comfy just shame if the seat pitch is bad.



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
I've been a little worried abouth the Y service on IB for a while though yours seemed better, stilll not sure I'd risk it though



Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
IBs product in Y doesnt look so good, but the service in Business class looked good.



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 8):
So yes, I also think that IB still offers an interesting product, also longhaul

Well, I've always concluded the same about Iberia's Y product on long-haul: we cannot say it is bad at all; but airlines such as Avianca, which are competitors on the same routes they fly, offers a better product. I usually don't care too much about the IFE; I only ask for a comfortable seat, and IB's A340's are cramped. Don't forget that AV will be introducing their A332's to Europe within a month; just talking about IFE on Y class, they are offering PTV's, iPOD plugs, etc. I conclude: IB's product is good enough, but they must do better on this: 1°) Seat separation, and 2) Introducing a modern IFE on Y class, letting the Airline compete with similar options as the ones that other airlines, such as AV offers. (I am the exception, because everyone cares about this).

I flew on July and August also on IB from ORY to BCN (A319) and from AGP to MAD (A321) and Y cabin was more comfortable than the one of the A346. Despite they will charge you even if you ask for a napkin, seats are very comfortable.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
I was not aware that they offered a twice daily service BOG-MAD.

I prefer the 346 to the 343. The J cabin is all in one piece.

The food in J is really outstanding, although sometimes the presentation could be bettered IMHO. The cellar has excellent choices. I have always savored excellent wines with them

I do agree completely with you, Roger. IB is flying actually 10 times a week on the route BOG-MAD-BOG on a mix of A343/A346, all year round (maintaining loads nearly over 89%). At this time, there are more flights from BOG to MAD than to many Latin American destinations. AV has a daily nonstop B762/B763 (starting December 20th on A332) BOG-MAD-BOG, plus a 4 weekly B762/B763 BOG-CLO-MAD-CLO-BOG, that will be increased to 6 weekly starting on December. Also, Air Comet has 3 A343 flights a week on the MAD-BOG-MAD route. Some days, from BOG, you can get 5 daily flights to/from MAD.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 6):
I so want to go to Madrid!

Madrid is such a NICE city!.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
The return in J seemed good too, again getter than we have read about recently.

I did have an excellent experience flying on IB's J class; no complaints at all.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
How about their IFE??

On Y class, almost nothing. I mean: it is the same product offered by AV by 1997 (I remember flying on a B762 from MIA to BOG). They played a couple of movies on the general TV's and we were able to listen to 10 or 12 radio stations with our headphones. That was all.

But, on J class, it was great. I was able to choose from more than 10-15 movies and TV series, plus listen to documentaries from many things (I remember one about the Roman Merida). Also, games were available, plus a personal flight tracking system with a lot of options. In terms of music, it was also excellent. I was able to build a playlist of more than 50 songs, from around 20 or more albums from all kind of music. A really good IFE, definitely.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25808 times:
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Nice TR and great photos. Thanks for sharing your experiences while traveling with IB. Also, I agree that it is nice to see the improvement of the IFE in J on IB. I will be flying MIA-CTG-MIA soon on AV's A-319s. Looking forward to my trip on AV and to Colombia.

Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
Madrid is such a NICE city!.

I second that.

Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
Some days, from BOG, you can get 5 daily flights to/from MAD.

Very impressive that BOG gets 5 daily flights on somedays to/from MAD.


SCL767


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 25782 times:

NIce report.

I have crossed the pond a couple of times on IB's Business Plus, and the service has been outstanding. Excellent crews, good meals, excellent wines, comfortable seats, very good IFE..and even got a cockpit visit once while flying over Venezuela and Colombia.

About Y service, the only thing I can say is that I find it average. I have flown on many other airlines on both short and long haul sectors, and my experiences with IB are certainly NOT among the bad ones. I have no complaints at all.

Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
I only ask for a comfortable seat, and IB's A340's are cramped



Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
I flew on July and August also on IB from ORY to BCN (A319) and from AGP to MAD (A321) and Y cabin was more comfortable than the one of the A346

The seat pitch on IB's A340s is 32" in economy. That's not bad. Other airlines such as BA and KL offer 31" on their long haul Y cabins.

On IB's short haul aircraft, seat pitch is advertised as 31". Of course, if you're seated on on of the first rows the seat pitch will be better (around 34" I guess), as those rows are normally used for Business Class service. They only move the cabin dividers back and forward depending on the cabin configuration so the first 10 rows or so feature better seat pitch and you may be lucky to be on one of those seats even if flying Y.

Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
Quoting 777jaah (Reply 10):
How about their IFE??

On Y class, almost nothing. I mean: it is the same product offered by AV by 1997

And still offered by AV on their 767s.

Anyway, great report. Glad to see you enjoyed your visit to my country and that your fligths on Iberia were good.

I will cross the pond on Iberia once again next week. It will be in economy this time, and I'm looking forward to it already.

Saludos



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 25470 times:



Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
The seat pitch on IB's A340s is 32" in economy. That's not bad. Other airlines such as BA and KL offer 31" on their long haul Y cabins.

On IB's short haul aircraft, seat pitch is advertised as 31". Of course, if you're seated on on of the first rows the seat pitch will be better (around 34" I guess), as those rows are normally used for Business Class service. They only move the cabin dividers back and forward depending on the cabin configuration so the first 10 rows or so feature better seat pitch and you may be lucky to be on one of those seats even if flying Y.

Well, actually I was not on those rows on either of the flights I've mentioned. I can not talk in terms of pitch, but I was able to feel the difference. I agree to you that IB has an average product; is a very good airline and I will not doubt on choosing it for both long and short haul flights, either on Y or J class.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
And still offered by AV on their 767s.

For sure; but those are aircraft that are around 16-18 years old, and I barely understand it. I will expect more from an aircraft that does not have more than 5 years flying, as an A346 is. They should improve it, as some of the Latin American airlines are doing it (again, I mention AV and must talk about LA too).

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
Glad to see you enjoyed your visit to my country and that your fligths on Iberia were good.

Your country is amazing, and its people are also very nice. I visited Madrid, Alcalá de Henares, Barcelona, Málaga, Granada, Córdoba, Mérida, Zaragoza (Expo) and Badajoz, and had an incredible experience.



Hope you're back, crossing the pond, to Colombia.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
I will cross the pond on Iberia once again next week.



User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 24752 times:



Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 14):
And still offered by AV on their 767s

Yes, but with the introduction of the 330 fleet across the pond, every seat will have PTV. That will make a difference. Don't know if the 767 will be retrofitted with PTVs.

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24704 times:

hey great trip report. What's the IFE like on IB A346 and A343? I'm traveling to Madrid in Spring of next year and would love to get a quick snapshot of what to expect.
Thank You Sir


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24306 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
Yes, but with the introduction of the 330 fleet across the pond, every seat will have PTV. That will make a difference. Don't know if the 767 will be retrofitted with PTVs

No retrofitting, In fact, 767s will start leaving the fleet sooner than planned. AV has brough forward the delivery of 2 A330s to next year: Now 3 A330s will join AV's fleet in 2009 to make 5, so I guess BCN will start receiving it as well and not just MAD.
This action is not sot to accelerate growth but to advance fleet replacement. I am not sure if 2 or 3 767s will go next year.

Also, the IB-AV code-sharing will be more comprehensive and will include BOG-MAD flights.

I do hope that IB retrofit their A340s with pvts.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 24085 times:

Hey J,

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
767s will start leaving the fleet sooner than planned

Any chance conversion to QT??

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
AV has brough forward the delivery of 2 A330s to next year

How?? Who postponed those deliveries?? I thought the 330 line was pretty much without any space in it for such moves...

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
so I guess BCN

Which keeps perfomring extremly well for AV. I'm glad that route is succesful, despite some people never thought it could become a winner (including me).

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 17):
I am not sure if 2 or 3 767s will go next year.

Maybe some 762?? But they would be pretty useful for LHR and FRA.....OTOH, the 763 gives plenty of cargo pax capacity in SA)">NA and SA routes.....I don't know really....


Cheers

777jaah



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23890 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 18):
Any chance conversion to QT??



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 18):
Maybe some 762?? But they would be pretty useful for LHR and FRA.....OTOH, the 763 gives plenty of cargo pax capacity in SA)">NA and SA routes.....I don't know really....

I don't know where the 767s would go. Perhaps just back to the lessor.

One would indeed think that AV would take the chance to grow, certainly at LON and/or FRA where they have been mentioning for years. Sadly, it would seem that their ambitions have been well watered down. It seems that they will just yield to Iberia, by feeding their MAD hub rather than make their own way elsewhere in Europe.

Sno doubt some 767s will remain until 787s are delivered.


User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 23354 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
I've been a little worried abouth the Y service on IB for a while though yours seemed better, stilll not sure I'd risk it though.



Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
IBs product in Y doesnt look so good



Quoting Jigarciar (Reply 11):
Well, I've always concluded the same about Iberia's Y product on long-haul: we cannot say it is bad at all; but airlines such as Avianca, which are competitors on the same routes they fly, offers a better product. I usually don't care too much about the IFE; I only ask for a comfortable seat, and IB's A340's are cramped. Don't forget that AV will be introducing their A332's to Europe within a month; just talking about IFE on Y class, they are offering PTV's, iPOD plugs, etc. I conclude: IB's product is good enough, but they must do better on this: 1°) Seat separation, and 2) Introducing a modern IFE on Y class, letting the Airline compete with similar options as the ones that other airlines, such as AV offers. (I am the exception, because everyone cares about this).

I was posted at our Madrid foreign office and had several opportunities to fly IB. J for business, and Y for leisure. In J, they are an average European carrier. In Y, their short-haul offering is actually significantly better than the European standard with a decent meal service and attentive crews. I HATE their long haul product. On my several flights to the Americas, the crew would do their minimum and then disappear. They have never responded to any of my crew calls. Finally, on my flights to Latin America, I found their crew correspond with the local darker Latins with absolute contempt which I find unacceptable.

Having flown on BOG-MAD several times, I prefer Avianca for sure. The crew can be a hit or miss - but I feel that the clientele is more Colombian who are incredibly hospitable - especially after discovering an Indian who can speak good Spanish  Smile.


User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23200 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 18):
Which keeps perfomring extremly well for AV. I'm glad that route is succesful, despite some people never thought it could become a winner (including me).

Well, this route and CLO-MAD-CLO are very good. BOG-BCN goes from 2 weekly to 4 weekly, effective January 2009.

Quoting Kiramakora (Reply 20):
Having flown on BOG-MAD several times, I prefer Avianca for sure. The crew can be a hit or miss - but I feel that the clientele is more Colombian who are incredibly hospitable - especially after discovering an Indian who can speak good Spanish

Well, I'll not be, probably, objective, but I can say AV has an excellent product. Don't forget the way to Colombia!.


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23151 times:

Good report, thanks for taking the time to write it.

Quoting Jigarciar (Thread starter):
I do agree completely with you, Roger. IB is flying actually 10 times a week on the route BOG-MAD-BOG on a mix of A343/A346, all year round (maintaining loads nearly over 89%). At this time, there are more flights from BOG to MAD than to many Latin American destinations. AV has a daily nonstop B762/B763 (starting December 20th on A332) BOG-MAD-BOG, plus a 4 weekly B762/B763 BOG-CLO-MAD-CLO-BOG, that will be increased to 6 weekly starting on December. Also, Air Comet has 3 A343 flights a week on the MAD-BOG-MAD route. Some days, from BOG, you can get 5 daily flights to/from MAD.

Why are there so many flights between BOG and MAD. I know Colombia was colonised by the Spanish but Colombia has been independent for almost 200 years.

Is it holiday makers, business travel, people visiting friends/family in Spain, people travelling onwards to Europe always use Spanish speaking airlines --- or possibly a combination of the above?


User currently offlineTroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22968 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
One would indeed think that AV would take the chance to grow, certainly at LON and/or FRA where they have been mentioning for years. Sadly, it would seem that their ambitions have been well watered down. It seems that they will just yield to Iberia, by feeding their MAD hub rather than make their own way elsewhere in Europe.

If AV could establish some sort of an agreement with LH to start FRA it would give more sense for AV to look at this possibility. And for LON, they could code-share with BD. I know they are both in Star Alliance, but it would be nice to see AV in this alliance too  Silly


User currently offlineJigarciar From Colombia, joined May 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 22754 times:



Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 22):
Why are there so many flights between BOG and MAD. I know Colombia was colonised by the Spanish but Colombia has been independent for almost 200 years.

Is it holiday makers, business travel, people visiting friends/family in Spain, people travelling onwards to Europe always use Spanish speaking airlines --- or possibly a combination of the above?

I will say is a mix of all of what you're talking about, except for the Spanish speaking airlines criteria. AF, for example, flies daily BOG-CDG-BOG with all year round loads near the high 90%, and it is not a Spanish speaking airline.

I think that the principal reasons for a good air market between Colombia and Spain, are:

1°) People visiting friends and family in Spain and vice-versa.

2°) Business travel: Spain and Colombia have a very tight commercial relationship.

3°) Tourism, not only to Spain, but for many countries in Europe. Also, there is a good growing market of tourism from Europe to Colombia.


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