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SHA-SZX, Shanghai 757: Delayed By The Military  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
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Delayed by the Military: SHA-SZX on Shanghai Airlines Boeing 757


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Intro
The focus is on Shanghai Airlines and its 757-200 in part 3 of the report series about my recent trip to China. I have also added some pictures from Shenzhen, Hong Kong and a TurboJet ferry ride.

Background
After picking China Eastern's A330-300 on the PEK-SHA route prior to the trip, we had been searching for another wide-body service, this time to Shenzhen Baoan (China's fifth busiest airport). In the end we chose a Shanghai Airlines 767-300 flight. All those who have missed parts 1 and 2 or want to read more about the background of the trip simply need to click here:
Striking Newcomer: Berlin-Beijing On Hainan A330
PEK-SHA, China Eastern A330 & Shanghai At Night




Hazy Morning
Clear skies are rare in Shanghai, so we weren't really surprised about the dense smog in the morning. View from our hotel room:



Beautiful flowers in the hotel lobby:



Check-out in The Bund Riverside Hotel was quick and easy. The hotel staff called a taxi and minutes later we were on the way to Hongqiao Airport. This time the driver had reacted promptly to our request. After some 20 minutes we entered the airport main hall.



Tuesday, 04 November 2008
Shanghai Hongqiao (SHA) - Shenzhen (SZX)
Shanghai Airlines, FM9377
16:05-18:30 (18:03-20:22)
Flying time: 01:56 (hrs)

Boeing 757-26D
B-2857 (s/n 1044), delivered in 05/2004
Economy Class, Seat 31A



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Smooth Check-in
Our flight was scheduled to depart at 16:05, still some eight hours away. We were confident Star Alliance member Shanghai Airlines would check us in that early - unlike China Eastern - because Satchmo had already gained experience with the carrier before. And indeed, a friendly (English-speaking) lady welcomed us and immediately entered our Miles&More data. She also willingly accepted our request for a seat in the back. Some minutes later we got our boarding passes and could pass security.


Shanghai Hongqiao: (Airside) Spotting & Pricing
Satchmo had visited the airport before, so we walked straight to a place in the terminal once offering good views of one of the main taxiways. However, we soon had to stop in front of a wall - end of line. The area had apparently been reconstructed. It was still possible to see the runway and one of the main taxiway from several gates, but only through two glass windows. Taking good pictures was mostly impossible - and due to the haze it was even hard to see certain planes' registrations.

Another bad surprise followed soon: the exorbitant prices! A cup of coffee was sold for about 5 Euro and a piece of pizza for about 8 Euro - no matter what, it was similar in all bars and restaurants.    I had never seen such high prices at an airport before. Hongqiao doesn't even have lots of international traffic - so it's mostly the Chinese passengers who get ripped off. And not all of them are rich businessmen, one shouldn't forget.
Anyway, it was time to concentrate on the movements. Examples:

Shandong Airlines Boeing 737-85N B-5348:


Picture by Satchmo

Close-up of an Air China Boeing 777-2J6:


Picture by Satchmo

Spring Airlines Airbus A320-214 B-6320:


Picture by Satchmo

Juneyao Airlines Airbus A320-214 B-6340, parked next to an Air China Boeing 747-4J6:


Picture by Satchmo

The variety of airlines and types (including wide-body variants) at Hongqiao is excellent. In addition to the large carriers, you can also see the smaller Chinese airlines which are rare at the international gateways. I got a total of 85 new registrations at Hongqiao in only seven hours.


"Delayed due to Weather"
Almost all flights had been delayed during the day, apparently due to low visibility. "Delayed due to weather" was what we heard in the permanent announcements. So it was no surprise that nothing happened for a while after we entered our (bus) gate at 15:30. Even though our flight was shown on the monitor, boarding for another (delayed) flight was started first. Due to unclear announcements people bound for both flights went in line. We weren't sure either, but a helpful Chinese passenger told us what's up. Some 15 minutes after 16:00 it was finally our turn and a crowded bus brought us to the aircraft. Btw - it was interesting to note that the flight was codeshared with Lufthansa - even though LH doesn't fly to Hongqiao and Shenzhen.

Aircraft Change
We were still hoping to get Shanghai Airlines' 767-300 in Star Alliance colors - but our bus stopped next to a plane in regular colors. Once the crowd had left the bus, we were able to see the plane clearly and realized it wasn't even a 767, but a 757. That was particularly annoying for Satchmo who had flown on a company's 757 before. I wasn't so much disappointed because I had flown on a 767-300 (non-ER) before and my last 757 flight had taken place years ago. The plane was B-2857, s/n 1044, one of the last few 757s built in 2004.



Boarding passes were checked on the stairs, supervised by an officer. Again, taking pictures wasn't a problem at all.


Picture by Satchmo

The distinctive 757's body:


Picture by Satchmo


Cabin Comfort
Friendly FAs in dressy red uniforms welcomed us on board. The new-style cabin is equipped with dark blue slim-line seats...


Picture by Satchmo


Picture by Satchmo

...which are quite comfortable.


Picture by Satchmo

Seat pitch isn't bad either:



Load factor reached about 70 percent. Cabin view:


Picture by Satchmo

The cabin is equipped with fold-out video screens which were used on the ground, but not during the flight later. Apparently the plane is also equipped with an audio system, but headsets weren't available.

"Military Exercises"
At about 17:00, some 30 minutes after boarding, the captain made an announcement. He informed us that our departure would be further delayed - "due to military exercises". The question is whether the military had already trained all day and mainly contributed to the delays or whether it started exercises despite the already existing delays at Hongqiao - or whether only certain flights were affected. Anyway, the captain couldn't tell us when we would be able to leave the ground. We weren't very optimistic at this point of time - at least there wasn't a connecting flight to catch. I tried to get some more registrations, but due to the fog it wasn't even easy to identify the planes leaving the runway. Parked next to us was China Eastern Airbus A330-300 B-6096:




"MOG - Meal-on-Ground"
Only a few minutes after the captain's announcement FAs distributed wet towels. Surprisingly, the purser then also announced that beverage service would start soon - followed by a hot meal! I had never seen or heard before about such a "MOG - Meal-on-Ground".   Now it was very clear we would remain on the ground for a while.

I ordered a beer - hoping to get a Chinese one finally. However, I failed for the third time on the third Chinese carrier in three days. All they had was a Carlsberg - and not even a cold one. The FA asked whether we wanted ice - but who on earth drinks beer with ice?  



Ten minutes later the meal arrived, consisting of a snack box and a separate bowl with the main course:



The main course was meat (pork) with mushrooms, accompanied by rice and vegetables. The snack box contained a (sweet) bread roll, a piece of melon and tomatoes, peanuts, banana chips, bamboo shoots and a KitKat bar.



With some fatty pieces of meat it wasn't a culinary delight, but the main course tasted better than on China Eastern. Especially the rice wasn't bad. The bamboo shoots were a bit spicy and tasted a bit strange initially, but they weren't that bad in the end. Unexpectedly, the bread roll contained a sweet filling - probably a kind of chocolate pulp. The banana chips were my favorites. No doubt, it was a very diverse meal.

Powerful Takeoff
Trays were collected again, but there were no signs yet of a speedy departure. However, some ten minutes to 18:00 we were told to sit down and fasten seatbelts. And indeed, we left the parking position at 18:03, almost two hours late. There was another break after push-back, but then B-2857 started taxiing. We lined up behind a handful of aircraft and finally entered the runway. Takeoff was powerful - as usual on the 757 - and we climbed steeply into the dark skies.
The flight itself was uneventful. Many people were sleeping soon - probably the reason why FAs didn't offer anything during these two hours. But at least one round of drinks would have been adequate. After a flying time of one hour and 56 minutes we touched down at Shenzhen Baoan Airport.

Last shot of B-2857 from the gate area:





Vienna Hotel Shenzhen
After grabbing our luggage we tried to find the shuttle bus pick-up zone in front of the two terminal sections. It took a while until someone at an information counter could tell us where to go. However, it was clear soon that the Vienna Hotel's shuttle bus doesn't run frequently. We tried to call the hotel, but failed to get a connection on the public phones. Interestingly, we could even see the hotel's neon signs in the distance. However, we weren't sure whether a taxi driver would understand us this time - and if he did, whether he would agree to such a short-distance ride. We decided to ask a driver of another bus whether he knew more about our hotel's shuttle. He didn't understand, but immediately informed another guy who spoke English. And that man was very helpful, took his mobile phone and called the hotel. Only five minutes later, the bus arrived. The house itself wasn't a luxury hotel and located in a quite diverse neighborhood with roads in poor condition, but it was clean, very affordable and close to the airport.

View from our room - the airport's two main terminal buildings:




Shenzhen Baoan Spotting
We left the hotel early in the morning and tried to find a spotting spot at the airport. Unfortunately, it was clear soon that it's absolutely impossible to see any aircraft from the public area. And since we were planning to take the ferry to Hong Kong in the later afternoon, we couldn't go airside either. It's also interesting to note that - in contrast to PEK or SHA - the modern terminal building at SZX is not equipped with Western-style toilets. That's quite ridiculous, considering that there are more international flights to SZX than to SHA.

Anyway, we had to find a spotting spot, no matter how. We thought about taking a taxi to a place close to the runway, but didn't know the area around. And who knows where the driver would have gone. Then we had a look at the departures screen with masses of flights. So we decided to check whether it's possible to go on a short round trip to a destination not too far away. There were many options because SZX is well served by the large carriers as well as by the new low cost carriers. We spent about an hour for asking at numerous airline counters - and it was quite shocking to learn that the cheapest round trip would have cost some 200 Euro per person, which was too expensive in our opinion. Finally, we took the free shuttle to the nearby airport ferry terminal. And interestingly, the ferry terminal was ideally located close to the approach path. We took a seat in front of the building and watched the movements.

Air China Boeing 747-4J6:



Shenzhen Airlines Boeing 737-33A B-2972 in new colors:


Picture by Satchmo

Air China Boeing 737-79L B-5211 in Beijing 2008 colors:


Picture by Satchmo

Just like on the days before, nobody seemed to care about taking pictures and using binoculars - despite the presence of police officers at the ferry terminal. It was just some friendly taxi drivers who asked whether they could use my binoculars for a minute.  
The place was great for registration spotting, but it can be disappointing for photo spotters. Only half an hour after our arrival the approach direction was changed - and in most cases departing aircraft are too high for good shots. Spotters should also be aware that there aren't any Western-style toilets in the ferry terminal either - and the toilets existing aren't as clean as at the airport.
The variety of airlines and aircraft (including wide-body variants) at SZX is really good , with China Southern and Shenzhen Airlines dominating. In only a few hours I got 40 new registrations.



Wednesday, 05 November 2008
Shenzhen Airport Fu Yong Ferry Terminal (SZA) - Kowloon China Ferry Terminal (KLN)
TurboJet
16:30-17:30 (16:27-17:32)
Journey time: 01:05 (hrs)

Wavemaster SuperFast
"Nansha No.18", built in 1993
Economy Class



Shortly after 16:15 we joined the fellow passengers in the terminal and entered the TurboJet ferry which would bring us to Kowloon in the heart of Hong Kong. The Economy Class ticket price was some 20 Euro (per person). Here's our Wavemaster SuperFast vessel, named "Nansha No.18":



This is what I would call an "Xtra Wide-Body":  



"27A" was printed on my ticket, but the load factor was quite low and so there was a great choice of seats.



The seats were really comfortable...



...and seat pitch was generous:



Safety Card:



"IFE" on board: TV features about the company and the destination were shown on large screens:



View from my seat:



The ferry left the harbor some minutes early and set course for Kowloon. It was a quite smooth and interesting ride along the coastline. I tried to take some pictures of the scenery and some ships, but the windows were dirty and we were also facing the sun sometimes.


Fascinating Hong Kong
About an hour after departure we passed Hong Kong Island's famous skyline:



We quickly passed immigration at the China Ferry Terminal and walked to our hotel, The Salisbury - YMCA of Hong Kong. It is very recommendable, considering quality, price and location. We were told by a friendly employee that our booked room category wasn't available today - so we were upgraded and got a room with harbor view. Hong Kong's skyline at night is always a stunning sight:



Another view, this time from the pier:



We walked along the pier for a while and decided to have dinner in one of Hong Kong's largest shopping malls, the Harbour City. An Indian restaurant caught our attention and I ordered a meal with different tidbits (including grilled chicken breast and lamb curry). Simply delicious:



Story to be continued...



Conclusion
Flying Shanghai Airlines was a positive experience - despite the delays which weren't caused by the airline. Check-in was smooth, both ground and flight staff were friendly and spoke English quite well. However, the boarding process was a bit chaotic. The aircraft's cabin was clean and in flawless condition, seat comfort and pitch were good. It was the right decision to serve the meal prior to departure, but there should have been at least one more round of drink service later during the flight. While the catering may not be to everyone's taste, it's respectable to get a hot meal with so many items on a two-hour domestic flight. Who knows how long the Chinese carriers will continue to provide that level of service. The lack of IFE during the flight was not a major disappointment. Not to forget: 1128 miles were added to my Miles&More account immediately.

Next report: HKG-TPE-HKG on EVA Air


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter





[Edited 2009-01-06 10:06:43]


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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1682 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26405 times:

Ni Hao PH,

Great to read the next episode of your China trip! As usual you found a great mic of interesting pictures, and a lovely read with good informations!
Strange that SZX doesn't feature western style toilets, something you should expect in such an international atmosphere.
Also nice to see this very young 757 flying happily around China in days that the 757 is getting somewhat rarer already. Not too many are still flying with big carriers across Europe.

Looking forward to the next parts of your great trip!
Cheers,
Joost (D-ALCE)



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User currently onlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 26298 times:

Servus, PH,

one more great and detailed story from you China series.

Like your pics as well and especially that Hongkong examples.
I remember some details from my stay there two years ago.

And flying a 757-200 isn´t that bad, isn t it?.

Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 26093 times:

Hi PH!

Nice!! I would prefer the B757 over a B767 every day! It's becoming a rare type nowadays for us, Europeans. Although, the Germans might get on one more easily on DE, for me it's nearly impossible to score one.
Pictures are of great quality, and again a Chinese airline seems to offer a good product! I'm surprised, and happy to see that.

Gruß
Eric



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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 26077 times:

What an amazing report! This one is my favorite one so far out of the current series!

I have to say that the Shanghai Airlines color scheme really looks nice on the 757. I think it can be my favorite 757 c/s.

It is quite funny you got a MOG service as you called it, but hey, at least they thought of the passengers during the delay. Some other airlines would simply do nothing unfortunately.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The main course was meat (pork) with mushrooms, accompanied by rice and vegetables. The snack box contained a (sweet) bread roll, a piece of melon and tomatoes, peanuts, banana chips, bamboo shoots and a KitKat bar.

An interesting meal indeed.

Regarding the TurboJet, i i went on one last year between Hong Kong and Macau. It is almost exactly like flying on a plane. They are great!


Thanks a lot for sharing this amazing TR! What an adventure!!!!  Smile Smile

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 26016 times:
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Hi PH,

Great report in a super series, I'm really enjoying these, I guess because it reminds me of a spotting trip to China a few years back.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Clear skies are rare in Shanghai, so we weren't really surprised about the dense smog in the morning. View from our hotel room

- Wow, it's got much worse since my last visit.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I got a total of 85 new registrations at Hongqiao in only seven hours.

- Nice!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
it was interesting to note that the flight was codeshared with Lufthansa - even though LH doesn't fly to Hongqiao and Shenzhen.

- Amazing?!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered a beer - hoping to get a Chinese one finally. However, I failed for the third time on the third Chinese carrier in three days. All they had was a Carlsberg - and not even a cold one

- You are kidding me?? - This is silly!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No doubt, it was a very diverse meal.

- You can say that again, you sure it was pork?.........

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Hong Kong's skyline at night is always a stunning sight:

- Certainly is!

Loving it!

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 25832 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
In the end we chose a Shanghai Airlines 767-300 flight.

What a bummer for you getting onto a 757! But hey this aircraft type is quite rare in Asia anyway!


Hahahahaha... "Dainty" snacks? Did you feel so while you were ever so gently munching on them?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the modern terminal building at SZX is not equipped with Western-style toilets. That's quite ridiculous, considering that there are more international flights to SZX than to SHA.

And why should they be anyway? You are after all, in China. You know what they say... When in Rome...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While the catering may not be to everyone's taste, it's respectable to get a hot meal with so many items on a two-hour domestic flight. Who knows how long the Chinese carriers will continue to provide that level of service.

And I hope they continue to do so. The cost base for Chinese carriers are one of the lowest in the region, if not the world. Consequently, they are able to provide what they do for even a short flight like these similar to much of the airlines in Asia too.

True blue LCC travel hasn't really made inroads into the Chinese aviation scene as yet and they are presently only being teased lightly by these carriers from other countries by the likes of Air Asia, Tiger Airways and Jetstar.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25374 times:

Hi PH,

Another great addition to the series!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unexpectedly, the bread roll contained a sweet filling - probably a kind of chocolate pulp.

Seems to me like red bean curd. Not unusual - however a variant from the usual BBQ pork buns and with different dough.

Funny that you got Carlsberg.. Maybe they have enough of their Tsingtao beer and want a change..

How fast does this boat go? Fast enough to need seatbelts? It's funny that you see seatbelts on ferries in China and sometimes not enough in cars!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the modern terminal building at SZX is not equipped with Western-style toilets. That's quite ridiculous,

Maybe if you wanted one so badly you could have flown to CAN instead  Silly

Thanks again and looking forward to the next TRs!

Regards,
Nicholas



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1711 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25205 times:

Great report PlaneHunter

Very nice pics of the planes, what kind of camera were you guys using?
The food on FM looked rather decent. Though it was seemed pretty good that the meal had so many items, i was also a bit surprised that they didn't have any Chinese beer on board.

The ferry ride looked nice, i would love to go to HKG soon.
Oh, and the curry looked delicious  yummy 

Thanks for posting

//Jonas



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 25137 times:

Thanks for all your nice comments, guys!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Strange that SZX doesn't feature western style toilets, something you should expect in such an international atmosphere.



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
And why should they be anyway? You are after all, in China. You know what they say...

I wouldn't have been surprised about the lack of Western-style toilets at a smaller airport - but SZX has many international flights - more than SHA. And the terminals at SZX are quite new, in contrast to the buildings at SHA.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Also nice to see this very young 757 flying happily around China in days that the 757 is getting somewhat rarer already. Not too many are still flying with big carriers across Europe.



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
And flying a 757-200 isn´t that bad, isn t it?.



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):
Nice!! I would prefer the B757 over a B767 every day! It's becoming a rare type nowadays for us, Europeans.

Indeed, it's always great to get a 757.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Looking forward to the next parts of your great trip!

I'll soon start working on part 4!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Like your pics as well and especially that Hongkong examples.
I remember some details from my stay there two years ago.

Hong Kong is one of the cities which I always keep in mind...

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):
Pictures are of great quality, and again a Chinese airline seems to offer a good product! I'm surprised, and happy to see that.

Too bad we couldn't try one of the new LCCs, but maybe next time...

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 4):
What an amazing report! This one is my favorite one so far out of the current series!

Hi Roni, nice to hear!

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 4):
I have to say that the Shanghai Airlines color scheme really looks nice on the 757.

I can only agree, let's hope FM will keep that classic scheme.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 4):
It is quite funny you got a MOG service as you called it, but hey, at least they thought of the passengers during the delay. Some other airlines would simply do nothing unfortunately.

Yes, numerous airlines would have done nothing during the delay.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
Great report in a super series, I'm really enjoying these, I guess because it reminds me of a spotting trip to China a few years back.

Must have been great, too, with many more classic aircraft being active back then.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 5):
You can say that again, you sure it was pork?.........

Oh, come on...  Wink

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
"Dainty" snacks? Did you feel so while you were ever so gently munching on them?

Of course!  Smile

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
Seems to me like red bean curd. Not unusual - however a variant from the usual BBQ pork buns and with different dough.

Ermm, I'm not sure whether I like to hear that...  Wink

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
Funny that you got Carlsberg.. Maybe they have enough of their Tsingtao beer and want a change..

Could be a reason - good for the Chinese passengers, bad for me.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):

How fast does this boat go? Fast enough to need seatbelts? It's funny that you see seatbelts on ferries in China and sometimes not enough in cars!

I don't know how fast it went - but not fast enough for seatbelts.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 8):
Very nice pics of the planes, what kind of camera were you guys using?

I'm not sure which model Satchmo used during the trip, but it's a high quality digital camera ideally suited for photo spotting. I use a simple Sony DSC-W5.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 8):
Oh, and the curry looked delicious

It was so good so that we even went there again after the journey to Taiwan.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 25055 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
And why should they be anyway?

Because all political correctness and openness towards other cultures ends when it comes to taking a dump.


Nice report! The pictures of the modern 757's interior really sadden me. No one can ever explain why they stopped building these gorgeos planes.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 24867 times:

Wow, part #3 is as good as the two previous reports! Keep them coming, very entertaining to read and watch!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
A cup of coffee was sold for about 5 Euro and a piece of pizza for about 8 Euro

Reminds me of my hotel stay in Barcelona last week. Seb and me wanted to order something from the room service because we were hungry after returning in the night. We decided against that after we saw the price for a simply tomato-cheese pizza in the menu card... not less than 18 EUR. What a joke!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Spring Airlines



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Juneyao Airlines

To be honest, I've never heard of these airlines before. Shame on me.  Embarrassment

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and my last 757 flight had taken place years ago

I wouldn't mind a 757 flight either, it is many, many years ago since I've flown on that plane type (I think it was on UA from BOS to IAD but I am not sure).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Again, taking pictures wasn't a problem at all.

I thought that taking pictures in airports is not allowed in a country like China. Good to read that it is not the case!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Seat pitch isn't bad either:

Looks indeed very comfortable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had never seen or heard before about such a "MOG - Meal-on-Ground".

The idea is pretty good in my opinion, you have something to do while waiting on the ground.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered a beer - hoping to get a Chinese one finally. However, I failed for the third time on the third Chinese carrier in three days. All they had was a Carlsberg - and not even a cold one.

I am waiting for the other reports and I am curious if you will get served a Chinese beer on one of the other flights.  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The FA asked whether we wanted ice - but who on earth drinks beer with ice?

A few months ago I had dinner with my parents in a restaurant, I ordered a Weizen and - believe it or not - I got it served with ice-cubes in the glass. I was like "WTF?" and told the waiter to serve me another one without ice. Seriously, I've never seen something like that before, especially not in a high-price restaurant like the one we've been.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The snack box contained a (sweet) bread roll, a piece of melon and tomatoes, peanuts, banana chips, bamboo shoots and a KitKat bar.

Whoa, whoa! Sounds like a great snack-mix for me after smoking one! Big grin  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Hong Kong's skyline at night is always a stunning sight:

Amazing, isn't it? In my opinion one of the greatest looking skylines on earth!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Next report: HKG-TPE-HKG on EVA Air

Can't wait for it!

Patrick


User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 24790 times:

wow, great report. that plate of indian food looks delicious!!!
thanks for writing this report & sharing it with us  Smile


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6418 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 24762 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Ermm, I'm not sure whether I like to hear that...

Haha.. No cause for panic there!  Silly
You could think of it as a Chinese version of Nutella  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
I don't know how fast it went - but not fast enough for seatbelts.

That's quite strange.. Maybe the safety regulations are from HK or Macau because that certainly doesn't sound right!



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24612 times:

Excellent report, PH!

I stayed at the Salisbury as well, but about ten years ago. Nice to hear that it's still good value.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but who on earth drinks beer with ice?

Perhaps Chinese people ?  Smile

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24391 times:

This report brings back great memories for me. I was last on an FM 757 back in 1999 from CAN-SHA. Even though they were considered a second tier airline compared to MU, they beat MU in almost every aspect onboard and on the ground.

I recall having snack boxes with a hot main as well... compared to what CZ and MU served on the same sector - a cold mini hot dog roll with soft drinks literally thrown at you (CZ) or a snack box filled with preservative laden salted/sweetened fruits, vegetables gently placed on your table(MU). It was disgusting!

Thanks for posting this TR!



There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23899 times:

Hi PH,

nice to read how your story goes on. Thanks for providing a great selection of pictures again, taken by you and Satchmo. The variety of aircraft at SHA is really great. I also liked your pictures of Hong Kong - simply amazing!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Btw - it was interesting to note that the flight was codeshared with Lufthansa - even though LH doesn't fly to Hongqiao and Shenzhen.

Interesting - I wonder who will book this route via LH.

The "MOG"-service was a nice touch indeed - so you could spend the boring waiting time on the ground with eating.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 23875 times:

very nice report! well china is on my to-do list for 2009 or 2010 lets see.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but who on earth drinks beer with ice?

well it is quite common in Domenican Republic... as these guys only like beer that is around 0 C degrees... and yes its awfull you can only abide it if a hot Domenican chica is with you  Smile jeje



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23778 times:

Hello everybody,

thanks for all new comments!

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 10):

Nice report! The pictures of the modern 757's interior really sadden me. No one can ever explain why they stopped building these gorgeos planes.

The 753 should have been introduced much earlier - probably that would have secured a longer life for the whole production line.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
Wow, part #3 is as good as the two previous reports! Keep them coming, very entertaining to read and watch!

Thanks, Patrick. Taiwan is in the focus of the next two parts.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
We decided against that after we saw the price for a simply tomato-cheese pizza in the menu card... not less than 18 EUR.

Unbelievable...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
I thought that taking pictures in airports is not allowed in a country like China.

It's indeed surprising to see how easy it is to take pictures in the PRC. In contrast, you can end up in jail for doing so in an EU-member state like Greece.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
A few months ago I had dinner with my parents in a restaurant, I ordered a Weizen and - believe it or not - I got it served with ice-cubes in the glass. I was like "WTF?"

Weizen with ice cubes...simply awful!  Embarrassment

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
Amazing, isn't it? In my opinion one of the greatest looking skylines on earth!

I can only agree.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
You could think of it as a Chinese version of Nutella

Alright, I will keep that in mind...  Wink

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
I stayed at the Salisbury as well, but about ten years ago. Nice to hear that it's still good value.

I wouldn't hesitate to stay there again - most of the similar hotels around are much more expensive.

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 15):
Even though they were considered a second tier airline compared to MU, they beat MU in almost every aspect onboard and on the ground.

I think it was a good decision to integrate FM into the Star Alliance.

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 15):
compared to what CZ and MU served on the same sector - a cold mini hot dog roll with soft drinks literally thrown at you (CZ)

Haven't flown CZ yet, but I have already heard many negative reports.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 16):
nice to read how your story goes on. Thanks for providing a great selection of pictures again, taken by you and Satchmo. The variety of aircraft at SHA is really great. I also liked your pictures of Hong Kong - simply amazing!

Thanks a lot, Christoph.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):
well china is on my to-do list for 2009 or 2010 lets see.

I'm sure you will enjoy your stay.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):
well it is quite common in Domenican Republic... as these guys only like beer that is around 0 C degrees... and yes its awfull you can only abide it if a hot Domenican chica is with you

 Smile


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 946 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23680 times:

Hi Planehunter, this has become quite a delicious feast for A.net members! Thanks for bringing to life in your reports some of the rarer Chinese operators. I have enjoyed your series of reports tremendously. Shanghai Airlines certainly doesn't look so bad at all - the standard of inflight service seems to have improved generally within China. (A couple of years ago, flying on a mixture of CZ and MU flights, I only saw one flight attendant smile - on CZ, and that's only because I was the last passenger off the plane and she's finished her shift!) The fittings on FM look good too.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Surprisingly, the purser then also announced that beverage service would start soon - followed by a hot meal! I had never seen or heard before about such a "MOG - Meal-on-Ground".

Haha, brings back memories. I've had a meal-on-ground once before too, on an Iran Air F100 in snow-bound Tehran. In fact, just after the meal was over, the flight was cancelled due to the weather and we all trooped to the terminal, and came back the next day. At least yours departed!

Looking forward to your next instalments.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23559 times:



Quoting Airpearl (Reply 19):
Hi Planehunter, this has become quite a delicious feast for A.net members!

Thanks for your feedback, Airpearl!

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 19):
(A couple of years ago, flying on a mixture of CZ and MU flights, I only saw one flight attendant smile - on CZ, and that's only because I was the last passenger off the plane and she's finished her shift!) The fittings on FM look good too.

That must have changed indeed, there were numerous smiling FAs on my Hainan, China Eastern and Shanghai Airlines flights.

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 19):
I've had a meal-on-ground once before too, on an Iran Air F100 in snow-bound Tehran. In fact, just after the meal was over, the flight was cancelled due to the weather and we all trooped to the terminal, and came back the next day.

Now that's an interesting story! Did the airline pay for the hotel?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 946 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23408 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
Now that's an interesting story! Did the airline pay for the hotel?

Haha, yes it would have been... but it was my pre-TR days. I don't know whether IR would have paid for a hotel because I changed my flight (to Isfahan) to a later date anyway.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22828 times:



Quoting Airpearl (Reply 21):
Haha, yes it would have been... but it was my pre-TR days.

Too bad - would have been interesting to read about the trip.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineElevate From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 22679 times:

Fantastic report, PlaneHunter.
You're reports have always amazed me, and this one didn't dissapoint!

Is it just me, or do those seats look very retro?


Sam


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22483 times:



Quoting Elevate (Reply 23):
Fantastic report, PlaneHunter.
You're reports have always amazed me, and this one didn't dissapoint!

Hi Sam, thanks a lot for your comment! Nice to hear you have been enjoying my reports.

Quoting Elevate (Reply 23):
Is it just me, or do those seats look very retro?

The textile design looks a bit retro, yes.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 Leskova : I'll put my name under that line - when I was in Shanghai for almost a week in 2001, we had just a single day with haze, the rest was close to clear
26 PlaneHunter : Hi Frank, thanks for your feedback. I remember what you once told me. I'm not keen on flying on a cramped 757 in leisure configuration either, but I
27 Trijetsonly : I had the problem with T/O-restrictions due to military training in Shanghai some years ago, too. It was on a PVG-FRA flight and waiting those two hou
28 PlaneHunter : Interesting to hear about the same occurence at PVG. Did they at least serve any drinks? PH
29 Trijetsonly : Yeah at least they served drinks and I also got some time to talk to the cockpit crew.
30 PlaneHunter : Alright, I guess that chat was a nice compensation for the delay. PH
31 Akhmad : Hi PH, I realize that I have not posted any comment yet on this report of yours. Sounds very familiar to me! :D I got served a bottle of beer once in
32 Abrelosojos : Thanks for another informative trip report. FM reports are indeed rare. BTW, I thought the food looked visually good for Y. = You'd be surprised how c
33 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Hi Suryo, thanks a lot for your reply! Better late than never! Yes, I remember your recent story. Hi Alex, good to hear you liked it. Indeed, FM repo
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