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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10219 times:

Sorry folks - no pictures - my D70s was all packed up and the fiancee gives me grief for taking pictures on the aircraft.

NW 1532 - MSP-DTW - December 27 - Boeing 757-300
D - 3:15P
A - 6:04P
Duration - 1 hour 49 minutes.
Seat: 44A

Airport:

MSP is a functional, though somewhat scattered and frumpy airport.

Check in was very scattered. A steward led us to a kiosk which turned out to still be in use, when it was finally vacant we checked in and waited nearly 10 minutes for the staff behind the counter to take our check luggage (though in their defense they were arguing with a couple about whether or not their baby (who did not have a seat) got their own allowance of check luggage (they don't). We finally got our boarding passes and moved into a very long security line. Security at MSP is par for the course for anywhere in the states - potentially less polite than other places, but unremarkable.

We took the somewhat long walk down to our gate, which had roughly a quarter as many seats as there were passengers on this full flight.

Boarding on NW is very disorganized - boarding 224 people in a small gate area by saying "everyone please board now" leads to a jetway full of people waiting to get on - in sub zero weather. It took about 35 minutes from the start of boarding until everyone was settled into the very long aircraft. We pushed back about 20 minutes late.

Flight:

In flight the pilot announced that turbulence was expected and that there would be no cabin service on the flight. As it turned out there was very little on the flight, but I guess better to be safe. While the aircraft might be newish, the seats are not and the interior doesn't look very new. Northwest's seats are God-awful - hard as rock, not nearly tall enough, and fixed headrest. The seating is in sore shape. I hope Delta addresses this issue in short order.

As with all NW domestic flights - no IFE of any kind.

With some additional air traffic delays arriving into DTW, we were a bit more than half an hour delayed - an then we had to wait for the 43 rows ahead of us to deboard from a single aisle.

In short - flight was late, plane wasn't very clean, seats were poor, no drinks, no IFE, but it was a short flight, so it wasn't terrible.

Aircraft: 4/10 - the bins looked fine, carpets were dirty, seats were awful, room was acceptable for a short flight.
Service: 5/10 - Wasn't good, wasn't bad. No service during the flight due to potential turbulence.
Ground Service: 3/10 - We pushed late, it was disorganized boarding, and there was only one gate agent servicing the flight.


NW Flight 50 - DTW-CDG - December 27 - Airbus A330-300

D 9:25P
A 11:25A

Duration: 8 hours

Ground:

The Detroit NWA World Gateway is a beautiful facility - a real joy to change planes at- beautiful new, and nice. Bathrooms are large and clean, gate areas are large, modern, and comfortable, and the train makes it easy to cover a lot of ground. We had a nice dinner (there are numerous restaurants). This facility is easily the nicest of the new Delta empire.

Boarding commenced on time, instructions in both English and French, though the scattered "everyone may board now" method doesn't work well when there are 290 people boarding the flight. I really prefer airlines that board from the rear forward - it makes getting to your seat much faster.

We were a little more than 20 minutes late again to push back as we waited for some late cargo to be loaded onto the aircraft.

Facility: 9/10 - I can't much think of how DTW could be any nicer.
Boarding: 5/10 - disorganized and late, again. Good language abilities and fairly quick.

Aircraft:

The A330 is the flagship of the NW fleet and offers a decent Y product. The pitch, at 31" is not the best, but the slim-line seats make it feel not unbearable. The seats are, however uncomfortably hard and unsupportive. The adjustable headrest is a great feature for the longer flights. I was again surprised by how torn up the edges of the carpets were and how beaten up the upholstery was on the seats and seatbacks. The aircraft looked like they would benefit from a good thorough cleaning and some touch ups on the details. On the whole though, they were very nice, pleasant aircraft to fly on. Perhaps it was where we were seated, but all of the members of the party in which I was traveling commented how loud they thought the aircraft was - not entirely typical of an A330, but that sort of stuff is subjective.

Aircraft: 7/10 - Comfortable, modern, could stand to be cleaned, softer seats

IFE:

In concept, the NW AVOD system is top-notch. Numerous movies to chose from, relatively easy to use, a great map feature. The screen size is not as large as some newer offerings from competitors (but it is more than usable), the picture quality is strong though. The downside - the NW system is extremely slow. Even waiting for each command to process through, mine restarted unexpectedly several times. My finacee's screen shut off if it was pivoted out at all, making it impossible to view once the person in front of her reclined their seats.

IFE: 6/10 - Great concept, terrific in theory, but buggy and not in good working order is a problem.

Service/Food:

Service:

I have heard the NW transatlantic flight attendants referred to as the "hags of the Atlantic" before. It's not entirely unearned. The flight had one Francophone FA in Y. The flight attendants were loud and not entirely polite. "Ya want somethin to drink?" said without making eye contact was not impressive at all. Aside from the two meal services and the outrageously loud duty free announcement, they were essentially absent.

One of the FA's told a couple they had to deplane during boarding because Y was booked full and they brought their child on in a bassinet without buying a seat and the child was too large. She said that children 25lbs and over were required to have a seat, the couple whose child it was said the child was 10kg. Apparently neither the parents nor the FA understood the measurement systems of the other - since the child at 10kg/22lbs was within the limit. A somewhat loud altercation between the two parties took place (the FA thought by speaking louder she could get the parents - not native English speakers - to understand).

At another point another FA - who told us she usually did flights to Asia (she had a Japanese accent) was giving fairly good service - started a final coffee/tea service during initial descent into CDG - and another FA shouted at her from the other aisle "What are you thinking? We're landing! Get back in the galley!" The FA that had just done the shouting then turned to another FA coming back from the forward Y cabin to get something or other and pointed to the FA serving coffee and said quite loudly "Is she stupid or something?" It was all kinds of unprofessional. It reminded me why I avoid NW.

We arrived into CDG about 40 minutes later than schedule. It didn't thrill me, since we had a connection, but it could have been worse.

Service: 3/10 - They did serve us food, no one spilled anything on me.

Food:

Yeah - not much good to say here. Sorry. Dinner was, and I quote "Pasta or meat." Meat being a little too broad for my liking (it's like Spam..., who knows what it will be), all in my party went with pasta. It was two ricotta stuffed shells. It wasn't the worst meal I have ever eaten, but using the test of whether I would pay to eat it or not, I wouldn't not. It was tolerable though, worse could happen.

Breakfast was memorably bad. I had no idea it was possible to make an Egg McMuffin worse, but NW has managed to do it. Why they couldn't offer a bagel, muffic, croissant, yogurt, or even cereal instead of the awful egg mcmuffin-like abomination they tried to feed us, I don't know, but it was bad. Really bad.

Food: 3/10.

Flight:

The flight had a fairly long and smooth takeoff. We didn't make tremendous speed over the Atlantic (winds might not have been the strongest). We had almost no turbulence across the pond and as we crossed over the Scottish coast we climbed up to an altitude of 42,000ft, the highest I've been on a flight in a while.


Air France 508 - CDG-CAI - Dec 28 - Boeing 777-200ER

D 1:35P
A 7:00P

Duration: 4h 25m

Ground:

Paris was less painful than I had anticipated. We fairly swiftly transferred from 2F to 2E via the new train. Security was slow and took maybe 30-35 minutes. We settled in at our bright, airy, and roomy gate. 2E is beautiful and the way more airports should be. Multilingual shop staff, great language skills for check-in. The boarding process was less than orderly, but the long queue setup made it actually a bit less hectic than with NW at DTW. We made an on-time departure and everything seemed very efficient.

Facility: 9/10 - perfect, beautiful, just slow security.
Boarding: 6/10 - disorganized, but it worked pretty well.

Aircraft:

I am a known lover of the 777. The paint job on this 777 was truly abominable. The nose had large sections paint missing - my fiancee said it looked like it was crying. The interior was doing a bit better. The cabin looked slightly worn - but generally very clean and in good shape. The pitch and seat width were acceptable in all ways - slightly better than the NW A330. The seats were well padded, excluding the very lower back and the base of the bottom cushion, which tended to oddly give all of us sore tailbones. The 777 Boeing Signature bins are delightful. The boarding music was nice - not quite United and their Frank Sinatra classy, but nice. The underseat IFE boxes seemed larger than usual, but that aside, it was nice. The lavatories were uniquely small, however - bizarrely so.

Aircraft: 7/10 - A bit worn, tiny lavs, but otherwise in great shape.

IFE:

AVOD was nice, the system was delightful. Not as many selections and options as some of their competitors, the screen was smallish and not as sharp as the NW offering, but was still good. What really set it apart was that it A: worked absolutely flawlessly and B: offered functional remote-control and touch-screen inputs, which seemed to offer the ideal combination. I missed the conventional headphone jack (didn't bring the adapter for my noise canceling headset).

IFE: 7/10 - Could have had more choices and a bigger, sharper display, but otherwise it was perfect.

Service:

I was genuinely impressed by Air France service. The cabin crew spoke good English, Spanish, of course French (though conspicuously not Arabic). The cabin crew was polite, efficient, worked quickly, and was impeccably dressed and put together. There was a drink service at first. I got a nice Chilean red wine with a very mediocre beef and rice dish that was badly over-seasoned. There were at least three drink services throughout the flight as well as the nice "self-service" station in the galleys. We arrived into Cairo on time. The ground service in Cairo was the best that I have experienced from that airport - nicest set of air stairs. There were numerous buses waiting and we weren't packed in too entirely tightly. On the whole, for a fairly short flight, they did a top-notch job.

Service: 8/10

Flight:

Took off on time, landed on time. Cruised at 39,000 feet - over France, Switzerland, Italy, over the Adriatic, the Eastern Adriatic Coast - over Greece and then on to Egypt. A few bumps over the Alps and again over the Adriatic. We flew in right over the Nile and the thick of downtown Cairo giving delightful views. Our bags made it out quickly. The takeoff from Charles DeGaulle was impressively forceful.


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User currently offlineNewyork355 From France, joined Jul 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

Great to hear that you had a good experience with Air France's Y product. It really is night and day with regards to American airlines, isn't it? Have a safe return!


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8547 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
the FA thought by speaking louder she could get the parents - not native English speakers - to understand

A lot of Americans tend to do this. I've never understood why people think that speaking louder will magically make a non-English person understand.


Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
What are you thinking? We're landing! Get back in the galley!" The FA that had just done the shouting then turned to another FA coming back from the forward Y cabin to get something or other and pointed to the FA serving coffee and said quite
loudly "Is she stupid or something?" It was all kinds of unprofessional.

Wow, classy.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8247 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
"everyone please board now" leads to a jetway full of people waiting to get on - in sub zero weather. It took about 35 minutes from the start of boarding until everyone was settled into the very long aircraft.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. I don't care whether the NW folks on here say that it makes for faster boarding. This is the EPITOME of cattle-car; Southwest at their WORST has NOTHING on the chaos that is boarding a NW aircraft.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
While the aircraft might be newish, the seats are not and the interior doesn't look very new. Northwest's seats are God-awful - hard as rock, not nearly tall enough, and fixed headrest. The seating is in sore shape. I hope Delta addresses this issue in short order.

I had an identical experience on a NW 747-400 (665US, which is now in Delta colors, in fact.) I also formed the same opinion about two of their 752 aircraft in the last month...

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
"everyone may board now" method doesn't work well when there are 290 people boarding the flight.

I can assure you that it isn't any better with 403 trying to get on a 747 at DTW for AMS.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
I have heard the NW transatlantic flight attendants referred to as the "hags of the Atlantic" before. It's not entirely unearned

I've had the same experience, especially with the eye contact issue. BUT- if you fly through MSP, I find that the crews are MUCH better. If I fly on NW again in the future, I will avoid DTW like the plague, and stick with MSP, where I find the NW folks to generally be quite pleasant to deal with.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
The FA that had just done the shouting then turned to another FA coming back from the forward Y cabin to get something or other and pointed to the FA serving coffee and said quite loudly "Is she stupid or something?" It was all kinds of unprofessional. It reminded me why I avoid NW.

Two weeks ago I think I ran into her on a DC-9-51 from MEM to MSP. This tough lady yelled from back to front, listened to her iPod while serving drinks, and threw a bag of ice across the galley REPEATEDLY, in order to break up the big chunks. And this in DOMESTIC FIRST CLASS.

Needless to say, well, I'm sure you can read my opinion from what I've written.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8052 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
The ground service in Cairo was the best that I have experienced from that airport - nicest set of air stairs. There were numerous buses waiting and we weren't packed in too entirely tightly. On the whole, for a fairly short flight, they did a top-notch job.

I'm rather impressed-you're one of the few persons to do a TR involving CAI without a long rant about the Third World facilities, baksheesh tip-takers etc. T1 is a rather pleasant place.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7703 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):


Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
The ground service in Cairo was the best that I have experienced from that airport - nicest set of air stairs. There were numerous buses waiting and we weren't packed in too entirely tightly. On the whole, for a fairly short flight, they did a top-notch job.

I'm rather impressed-you're one of the few persons to do a TR involving CAI without a long rant about the Third World facilities, baksheesh tip-takers etc. T1 is a rather pleasant place.

The physical building for T1 is in good condition and is attractive looking. In terms of functionality, it doesn't work as well as it looks, but it's hardly unique in that aspects. Lots of airports like that. As for baksheesh, it comes with the territory in Egypt, and the airport was one of the more hassle-free places I've been to. The smoking all throughout the airport was annoying, but so what.



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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7682 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
At another point another FA - who told us she usually did flights to Asia (she had a Japanese accent) was giving fairly good service - started a final coffee/tea service during initial descent into CDG - and another FA shouted at her from the other aisle "What are you thinking? We're landing! Get back in the galley!" The FA that had just done the shouting then turned to another FA coming back from the forward Y cabin to get something or other and pointed to the FA serving coffee and said quite loudly "Is she stupid or something?" It was all kinds of unprofessional. It reminded me why I avoid NW.

This reminds me of when I was traveling on NWA from EWR to AMS last spring, and one of the passengers stood up while we were taxing from the gate and one of the FA's started screaming from the galley "If passengers on this flight don't sit down right now, I will go and turn this aircraft around and take it back to the gate". Not the most professional way to deal with the situation....


User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Have to say i've dealt with a shouting FA myself, actually, though it was on Northwest Airlink (Mesaba), two years ago on an Avro RJ-85 FNT-DTW. Arrived in DTW, at the gate, engines off, people standing up, i'm in the last row, right side, window - I take a photo of the ramp, and the next thing I hear 'SIR PHOTOS ARE NOT ALLOWED!!!'. It was so loud, about 20 people in the rear of the aircraft turned around to see where Bin Laden must have been sitting. What a prick.

After everyone was off the plane and I was one of the last to leave (being in the last row / last seat, basically), all of a sudden, a complete 180 change of attitude. She's all smiling, 'Hey just dont forget they dont want people taking photos, you know, and such...[fake smile], hee hee [fake-ish laugh]'.

On the plus side, my next flight on NW Mainline DTW-LAX had pleasant crews, lead FA was male and very polite, pre-boarding he was playing/toying with some children a few rows up all smiling and gitty. Nice flight. Return LAX-DTW Red-Eye was fine, FA's had a serious problem with talking loudly ALL NIGHT in the back of the aircraft. Mesaba DTW-FNT had a nice young male FA.

On a side note, I did fly AA ORD-BRU 3 months ago and, despite all the claims of the 'hags of the atlantic' with NW, UA, AA, and other carriers, I personally found AA to be excellent on ORD-BRU. The FA's we had on that flight, albeit all in their 40's+ age group (all female) were all excellent, very polite, and very generous with in flight service (two meal services and three drink services - full cans everytime). In fact there was so much to drink (as you receive a small 4-8oz water with each meal also), I had a full can of coke left upon landing in BRU. Was surprised at the plentiful offerings on AA and the extremely nice/pleasant FA's considering all the bad rep.



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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7452 times:



Quoting Meta (Reply 6):
and one of the passengers stood up while we were taxing from the gate and one of the FA's started screaming from the galley "If passengers on this flight don't sit down right now, I will go and turn this aircraft around and take it back to the gate". Not the most professional way to deal with the situation....

Indeed, not the most professional way to deal with the situation, but probably necessary. Seat belt sign is on, everybody is seated, plane is pushed from the gate, and somebody just stands up???  Angry  Confused Being polite really doesn't help in this case.

Once I was on a KL flight MXP-AMS, during the last few minutes of the flight, so just before landing, a passenger stands up and start rearranging his baggage in the bin. Everybody is seated, seatbelt sign is on and we are on final approach! The FA makes a PA saying, "can the gentleman standing up near row ??, please sit down?" , the passenger refuses and keep going on what he is doing, again an announcement, "sir, please sit down". He still doesn't sit down, than finally the FA yells from the back (not using the pa system) "SIT DOWN, NOW". That helped.

BTW, he was not allowed to disembark, the captain first had a brief talk with him.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7437 times:



Quoting Warszawa (Reply 7):
On a side note, I did fly AA ORD-BRU 3 months ago and, despite all the claims of the 'hags of the atlantic' with NW, UA, AA, and other carriers, I personally found AA to be excellent on ORD-BRU. The FA's we had on that flight, albeit all in their 40's age group (all female) were all excellent, very polite, and very generous with in flight service (two meal services and three drink services - full cans everytime). In fact there was so much to drink (as you receive a small 4-8oz water with each meal also), I had a full can of coke left upon landing in BRU. Was surprised at the plentiful offerings on AA and the extremely nice/pleasant FA's considering all the bad rep.

Every airline I have found has a flavor of poor service uniquely their own. UA's service on the Atlantic is more apathetic with a side of mildly abrasive. NW is genuinely bad service - loud, b*tchy, crass, coarse sometimes, absolutely polite, friendly, and engaging others. DL is much the same - I have had great experiences with them - as good as any airline I have been on, but others they are as bad as NW - one experience where during some chop a bin popped open - a guy next to it popped up quick to shut it (so his luggage didn't fall on his head) and the FA shouted down the cabin at him "THE SEATBELT SIGN MEANS SIT DOWN. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR YOU NOT TO COMPLY!" It was amazing. AA, on the other hand, seems almost always to have pretty good in flight service - it's their ground service that is impressively awful.

Quoting SK601 (Reply 8):

Once I was on a KL flight MXP-AMS, during the last few minutes of the flight, so just before landing, a passenger stands up and start rearranging his baggage in the bin. Everybody is seated, seatbelt sign is on and we are on final approach! The FA makes a PA saying, "can the gentleman standing up near row ??, please sit down?" , the passenger refuses and keep going on what he is doing, again an announcement, "sir, please sit down". He still doesn't sit down, than finally the FA yells from the back (not using the pa system) "SIT DOWN, NOW". That helped.

Hey, at least she tried it the professional way first. There is no reason not to try being polite. I give KLM and this FA credit.



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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7327 times:



Quoting SK601 (Reply 8):
Indeed, not the most professional way to deal with the situation, but probably necessary. Seat belt sign is on, everybody is seated, plane is pushed from the gate, and somebody just stands up??? Being polite really doesn't help in this case.

The thing is nobody ever saw anybody stand up, and some of the other FA's were confused as to why this one was screaming. I was too busy staring out the window to notice anybody stand up. My point was NWA FA's yelling and grumpy is not uncommon.


User currently offlineCsm737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Ok after reading some of these FA horror stories I have to tell you about this one flight I was on....Piedmont ROA-PHL over thanksgiving...first off, her voice during the welcome/safety announcements couldn't not have been more unenthusiastic, then (this is before US stopped charging for drinks) she walked up and down the aisle with a novel in her hand, using her thumb to bookmark the page and literally said "Thirsty?.... Thirsty?.....Thirsty? her expression and her tone could not have been more dull and I actually laughed when she got to me because I was so taken aback...then about 4 or 5 times throughout the flight she kept walking from the front galley to the back of the plane and back with her HUGE purse on her arm for some odd reason....it was quite funny actually and there was a. FA and pilot deadheading to PHL who were laughing at the whole thing sitting behind me...ok that is all...

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

I am sure there are some nice FAs in NWA, but this pretty much sums up my experience with them as well. Sigh...


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User currently offlineCaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5892 times:
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Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
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Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Boarding on NW is very disorganized - boarding 224 people in a small gate area by saying "everyone please board now"

I have NEVER seen this done on any NW flight...not saying it didn't happen, but it's the exception rather than the rule

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
leads to a jetway full of people waiting to get on

So did Delta's zone boarding

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
in sub zero weather

Welcome to MSP  Smile

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
The seats are, however uncomfortably hard and unsupportive.

I've found the seats to be just fine. Actually, back in 2006 I flew EWR-AMS on a KL332 and AMS-DTW on a NW333. My conclusion was that a NW flight with KL crew would be a great combo. I found the NW seats much better than the KL seats, but I love the self service cart they had out at KL.

Quoting Caleb1 (Reply 13):
What happened to the pictures?

What happened to reading?

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Sorry folks - no pictures - my D70s was all packed up and the fiancee gives me grief for taking pictures on the aircraft.




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