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Morocco 1/2: Agadir On AirFrance And RoyalAirMaroc  
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 9843 times:

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Morocco 1/2: Agadir on AirFrance and RoyalAirMaroc

Salam, dear readers,

what about two months without any leisure flying?.
That´s for sure a hard thing for me.
But anyway, time goes by after arriving back home from Greece in mid November

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/138968/

and sooner or later Morocco comes up.
Not that easy to catch something interesting for January, sun included, around a daytrip.
So my decision was done in October to go for Morocco for the first time.
Well, enough background, lets go!.






Monday, 19.01.2009
STR (Stuttgart-Echterdingen) - CDG (Paris-Charles de Gaulle)
Duration: 55 minutes

Service AF 2509 operated by AirFrance Airbus A320 F-GFKV
Scheduled: 07.05 // 08.25
Actual: 07.35 // 08.30
Gate: 310 Seat: 29A
Loadfactor: Around 70%
Fare: 39,85 EUR and 10000 Miles

History:
10.09.1991: Delivered to AirFrance
Flight no. 43 on the A320 and the second on this machine


Air France offers online-check-in, also with luggage, from 30 hours prior to departure.
The seatmap opened on my laptop and I´ve secured window last row, as always, when possible.
Checking the Acars system late Sunday evening told me the arriving registration from CDG for the night stop as F-GFKV,
done some years ago on CDG-ATH. With 63 A320 aircraft in AF´s fleet and only three in my log, thats called destiny.
Icy road conditions that monday morning, but nevertheless arrival ontime at the airport around 6.15 am with boarding announced for 06.45 am.
No time to wait at the bag drop off counter, some 20 pax at the standard counter.
Also no time to wait at security, down the stairs for some nightly aircraft pix and right back at the gate when boarding started.

Early morning at STR:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09002.jpg

310 as ususal for the night stopper.
I was one of the last pax, the nice female gate agent wished me by name a good flight, not a bad start for the day.
Three female and one male FA, all together not unfriendly but also nothing special.
The captain welcomed us friendly during boarding. Cockpit crew was from France.
Push back, only one other plane in front for a runway 25 departure and soon it was time to go for CDG.
The cabin fitted with the usual dark blue fabric seats. Oldfashioned, clean and good legroom.
Also strong wings that day, together with a low cruising level directly above the clouds, causing some turbulences on the whole flight.
A brioche and coffee/water was for free.
The captain was once more to hear inflight. He announced strong winds and more turbulences during approach into CDG.
Looks like a bumpy ride.
No further route or flight level information.
Approach was heavy, clouds nearly till touchdown, ups and downs, reminded me to the spectacular LH wingtip go around at HAM last year.
Also short ahead to touchdown the plane jumped up again, levelled out and slammed down on runway 26L in heavy rain. .
Bus deboarding into T2D.
The captain was at the office door during deboarding and wished all the passengers a good day.
A nice gesture after that bumpy ride.

Welcome to rainy CDG:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09005.jpg

Some five minutes to wait for my bag, it seems mostly connecting pax on that service today.
AF operates several coach services from CDG, route 3 links CDG nonstop with ORY, every 30 minutes, 19,00 Euro's oneway.
I´ve done this ride before and the travel time varies according to the traffic situation.
Departure was around 09.30 am from T2B, arrival at around 10.30 am at ORY sud, around two hours from arrival into CDG till arrival into ORY.






Monday, 19.01.2009
ORY (Paris-Orly) - AGA (Agadir-Al Massirah)
Duration: 3 hours 25 minutes

Service AT 745 operated by RoyalAirMaroc Boeing 737-700 CN-RNQ
Scheduled: 12.30 // 14.55
Actual: 12.40 // 15.05
Gate: A23 Seat: 25A
Loadfactor: Around 60%
Fare: 132,63 EUR
History:
11.04.2000: Delivered to RoyalAirMaroc
Flight no. 20 on the 737 and the first on this machine


Two hours till departure, check-in was open, no one in front, not bad.
AT offers no online-check-in, ok, but also not bad the possibility to select your seat free of charge during booking.
The seat map shows 22 as the last row on the 737-700. With several legs done, I´ve thought that something goes wrong or a real generous legroom on that machine.
Servisair operates the check-in, I´ve asked if its possible to change for the last row. The desinterested guy there answered, yes and printed 22A. We will see.
Ok, bag on the way to AGA. Me on the way to the viewing deck, the sky cleared up, but it was so windy, not that fun outside there today.

BA Open Skies and Air Caraibes at ORY:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09006.jpg

Arrival Tunisair from Sfax:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09007.jpg

The big blue after arriving from Pointe-a-Pitre:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09009.jpg

Air Algerie bound for Tlemcen:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09011.jpg

Now, time for passport control and security check, no problems there.
Interesting planes and also destinations from my gate area.
Tunisair to Tozeur and Sfax.
RoyalAirMaroc also to Marrakech and Rabat.
AirAlgerie to Oran.
My machine was announced ontime inbound from AGA.

AT arrival from Agadir:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09012.jpg

Taxi:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09013.jpg

And parked:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09014.jpg

Boarding around noon, 11.30 am was printed.
Well, you know, 25 rows on that machine, but no one seated in the last three rows, so an immediatelly change was done for seat 25A.
The machine fitted with bright blue fabric seats, cabin ok, good legroom.

Indoor AT:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09017.jpg

My seat:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09016.jpg

Once more:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09015.jpg

One male, three female FA´s on that service, all together friendly, especially that good looking female serving the rear part of the cabin.
All announcements in marocain and french only.
It seems the captain was from the US, the only english words on the whole flight on that plane in american style:
"Cabin crew ready for immediate departure" during taxi and later "Cabin crew, ten minutes till touchdown, ten minutes".
The FO was from Morocco, with arabian announcements.
Departure from runway 24 in direction
Tours-Bordeaux-Madrid-Malaga-Tanger-Rabat-Casablanca and finally Agadir.
Good to follow on the map system. Flight level 37.000 feet.

Cloud cruiser:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09019.jpg

Service was real good, a hot meal together with a second bread roll. Free drinks also twice.

Meal service:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09018.jpg

Relaxed atmosphere on the plane, a calm flight.

Atlas approach, Marrakech to the left:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09023.jpg

Lots of green:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09024.jpg

Finals:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09025.jpg

Approach was interesting along the Atlas mountains and finally touchdown on runway 28.

What a surprise:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09026.jpg

The airport:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09028.jpg

Parked in front of the arrivals area, self service to the entrance.
I was the first pax at passport control. The guy checked my arrival form, stamped my passport and I was for the first time in a new country, Morocco.
My bag was quick, out of the airport, approached by some weird looking part time taxi drivers, but no way, I´ve done the classic ride on an surely more than 30 years old
Mercedes, fixed fare, if you know it, 150 Dirhams and 20 Dirhams bakshish to my accomodation, the Timoulay Hotel in the Agadir Founty area.

Welcome to the Timoulay Hotel:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09038.jpg

My room:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/FLIEGER67/AGA09/AGA09029.jpg

More impressions will be online with the return story.

AirFrance operates secure and classic standard service on the STR-CDG route. OK, so far.
RoyalAirMaroc impressed me positive on the ORY-AGA leg.
Friendly staff, ontime service, relaxed atmosphere, no problem with the photos, well done.

Comments welcome,
Markus (FLIEGER67)


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User currently offlineELAL772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

WOWOW, great TR!
I like the Morrocan touch to modern cabin.
I am surprised to hear there weren't any announcments in English.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Hey ELAL772,

Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 1):
WOWOW, great TR!

Thank you.

Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 1):
I like the Morrocan touch to modern cabin.

Me too, that was a special Morrocan feeling.

Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 1):
I am surprised to hear there weren't any announcments in English.

And again, me too.
No official english words on that plane!.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Hola Markus!

I welcome back your interesting TRs to 2009.

Great start in Morocco, really interesting to see AT service... we never get many reports with them , don't we?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
what about two months without any leisure flying?.
That´s for sure a hard thing for me.

Same here. Started Jan 1st on VLC-ZRH on LX. My best trip with them so far.

BTW, on one of my last trips to Berlin I flew over this airport, any guesses?  Wink
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p71/rogerbcn/Berlin%20Dec%2008/DSC01735.jpg
 laughing   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   laughing 

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9505 times:

Hi Markus,

A nice way to start the new year of flying around Europe.....ehhhh Africa  Smile
AT seems to deliver a good product on their flights.
Perhaps I should give them a try some time. They operate the 744 during peakseason to AMS  Smile
AF is the usual, a pity to have logged this bird for the second time, I know the feeling  Sad

Looking forward to the return trip!

Cheers,
Joost (D-ALCE)



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9441 times:



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
My bag was quick, out of the airport, approached by some weird looking part time taxi drivers, but no way, I´ve done the classic ride on an surely more than 30 years old
Mercedes, fixed fare, if you know it,

I know that situation well, it's even worse when you are in a brand new country, or one where there is no line between an official taxi and an unofficial one.

Excellent report, I didn't know there were so many flights from North Africa to ORY, I thought they mainly served CDG. The food looked very good, plenty of it too as you say, which is nice to see on an airline.

Thank you for writing about your experiences!


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9302 times:



Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 1):
I am surprised to hear there weren't any announcments in English.



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
No official english words on that plane!.

May I asked why you are surprised? Afterall it's a Morrocan airline, flying from Paris to Agadir.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
They operate the 744 ...

I've been once on the 747 from FRA to CMN. My first flight on the Jumbo!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6714 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Servus Markus,

nice to see you are back with a new report. Interesting to read about RAM, quite a rare carrier on a.net.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Service AF 2509 operated by AirFrance Airbus A320 F-GFKV

Sometimes I forget registrations of unspectacular planes I had been on - but I will always keep F-GFKV in mind. It brought me to CDG on 9/11, only a few hours before The Unthinkable happened and changed the world...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
With 63 A320 aircraft in AF´s fleet and only three in my log, thats called destiny.

Bad luck at the worst...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
AF operates several coach services from CDG, route 3 links CDG nonstop with ORY, every 30 minutes, 19,00 Euro's oneway.

Quite expensive.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The machine fitted with bright blue fabric seats, cabin ok, good legroom.

Not bad, I like that design.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Service was real good, a hot meal together with a second bread roll.

What was the main course?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
All announcements in marocain and french only.



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):
May I asked why you are surprised? Afterall it's a Morrocan airline, flying from Paris to Agadir.

It's a question of safety - English should be standard.


PH



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3427 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Hey Markus. A great read accompanied with a nice selection of pics, as always. RAM looks pretty good, better than I expected. Have you really not flown for two months? wow Big grin

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):

Same here. Started Jan 1st on VLC-ZRH on LX. My best trip with them so far.

And where's that TR??  Wink


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Great report Markus!

Wow, it was really nice to finally see another report to Morocco!

IIRC there are no earlier trip reports on AT, so this was the first one. The cabin looked nice as usual, i particularly find the Moroccan mosaic patterns on the bulkhead walls to be very nice. The seats on the other hand didn't look very nice, and the fabric looks hideous.

It really surprised me that there were no English announcements on the flight, given that very few Moroccans actually speak English, there wouldn't be need for English announcements.
It was also very surprising to hear about the crew, many people I know, have told me that AT's crews are some of the rudest out there.

The food looked great, by far much better than i would have expected. The quantity looked good, but the only bad thing about it was the dessert. I've also heard many horror stories about how bad the AT food is. One guy i met who had just flown with them from GVA said that the fish they served, tasted almost like it had been taken up directly from the sea, and put it on his plate.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
What a surprise:

That's not the first time  Wink It seems like the Royalties of Saudi Arabia, are always in Morocco.

Thanks for posting, i really enjoyed reading.

Regards
Jonas



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

Hey guys, great, such a bunch of replies.

@Roger:

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
I welcome back your interesting TRs to 2009.

You´re always welcome, too.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
Great start in Morocco, really interesting to see AT service... we never get many reports with them , don't we?

It seems so.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
Same here. Started Jan 1st on VLC-ZRH on LX. My best trip with them so far.

Sounds interesting, is there something upcoming?.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 3):
BTW, on one of my last trips to Berlin I flew over this airport, any guesses?

Thinking about it for hours, but no way  Wink

@Joost:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
A nice way to start the new year of flying around Europe.....ehhhh Africa

Thank you.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
Perhaps I should give them a try some time. They operate the 744 during peakseason to AMS

The 747 to AMS, sounds interesting.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
AF is the usual, a pity to have logged this bird for the second time, I know the feeling

Yeah, enthusiasts destiny.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 4):
Looking forward to the return trip!

I´am working on it.

@Dan:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
I know that situation well, it's even worse when you are in a brand new country, or one where there is no line between an official taxi and an unofficial one.

True words and they always find some victims.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
Excellent report, I didn't know there were so many flights from North Africa to ORY,

Thank you, I was once again impressed, for example AH operates the 763 to Oran and the
332 to Algiers.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5):
The food looked very good, plenty of it too as you say, which is nice to see on an airline.

Yeah, definitely not bad.

Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Hi Markus,

very nice trip report and lots of great pictures. The approach above the Atlas Mountains looks fantastic. This trip was definitely a good start into the new aviation year.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
but also not bad the possibility to select your seat free of charge during booking.

Very good indeed. Not many airlines offer seat selections during booking on short or medium-haul flights free of charge.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Interesting planes and also destinations from my gate area.
Tunisair to Tozeur and Sfax.
RoyalAirMaroc also to Marrakech and Rabat.
AirAlgerie to Oran.

This is an impressive amount of Northern African destinations. Seems like ORY is THE European gateway into this region.

I'm looking forward to your return report.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Hello, again,

@Robert:

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):
May I asked why you are surprised? Afterall it's a Morrocan airline, flying from Paris to Agadir.

True, but I dont remember a flight during the last months, also domestic, without explanations in english.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):
I've been once on the 747 from FRA to CMN. My first flight on the Jumbo!

Hey, sounds like a remarkable experience.

@PH:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
nice to see you are back with a new report. Interesting to read about RAM, quite a rare carrier on a.net.

Thank you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Sometimes I forget registrations of unspectacular planes I had been on - but I will always keep F-GFKV in mind. It brought me to CDG on 9/11, only a few hours before The Unthinkable happened and changed the world...

Similar to me. I was one day ahead a trip to Salt Lake City on DL that gone finally cancelled. Unbelievable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Bad luck at the worst...

True words.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Quite expensive.

They know how to make money. The bus was nearly filled up, for example, a girl beneath me connecting to PTP on AF.
And it needs ages by the train trough central Paris.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Not bad, I like that design.

Also my opinion.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
What was the main course?

Something fishy!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
It's a question of safety - English should be standard.

 checkmark 

@Sandro:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
Hey Markus. A great read accompanied with a nice selection of pics, as always.

Thank you.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
Have you really not flown for two months? wow

Indeed nothing for leisure, only something non-interesting for biz

@Jonas:

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Great report Markus!

Thank you.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
Wow, it was really nice to finally see another report to Morocco!

I told you last summer after your CMB stories that something to Morocco is on the list!.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
IIRC there are no earlier trip reports on AT, so this was the first one. The cabin looked nice as usual, i particularly find the Moroccan mosaic patterns on the bulkhead walls to be very nice. The seats on the other hand didn't look very nice, and the fabric looks hideous.

I also like the interior.
Also the seats are ok.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
It was also very surprising to hear about the crew, many people I know, have told me that AT's crews are some of the rudest out there.

There was one male FA age around 40, funny and relaxed.
One young girl going not in eye contact, less friendly, but the two other female FA´s,
age around 30, both real friendly.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
That's not the first time It seems like the Royalties of Saudi Arabia, are always in Morocco.

So it seems.
Another Saudi registerted BBJ parked also on the apron.

Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

Hello, Christoph,

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 11):
very nice trip report and lots of great pictures. The approach above the Atlas Mountains looks fantastic. This trip was definitely a good start into the new aviation year.

Thank you, it was for sure a special feeling approaching above Marrakech down the Atlas
Mountains.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 11):
Very good indeed. Not many airlines offer seat selections during booking on short or medium-haul flights free of charge.

True, I was surprised.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 11):
This is an impressive amount of Northern African destinations. Seems like ORY is THE European gateway into this region.

Yeah, I´am looking into Tozeur, Tunisia, near the Chott el Djerid salt lake.

Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8486 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8927 times:
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Hi Markus,

Great TR!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Checking the Acars system late Sunday evening told me the arriving registration from CDG for the night stop as F-GFKV,
done some years ago on CDG-ATH. With 63 A320 aircraft in AF´s fleet and only three in my log, thats called destiny.

- No, it's called bad luck!

RAM, wow, real good service by the look of it, interesting that the last row was 25 and not 22 as they seemed to think at check-in!

Look forward to the next installment.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Hi, Mark,

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
Great TR!

Thank you.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
No, it's called bad luck!

 checkmark 

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
RAM, wow, real good service by the look of it, interesting that the last row was 25 and not 22 as they seemed to think at check-in!

Yeah, that service level was not bad and about the rows:
Dont know or dont want to know!

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5074 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8873 times:

Thanks for the cool trip report. RAM is not featured much here - and its good to read positive report on them.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Hey, Alex,

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 16):
Thanks for the cool trip report. RAM is not featured much here - and its good to read positive report on them.

Thank you.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8788 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
It's a question of safety - English should be standard.



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
It really surprised me that there were no English announcements on the flight

The ICAO require that the safety announcement on board a commercial aircraft must be made in two languages : the national language of the carrier + one of the official languages of ICAO.

It could sound "normal" that announcements should be made in Arabic and English on board RA.M but don't forget that those flights between ORY and Morocco are mostly O/D demand and point to point services (unlike AF to/from CDG) so Arabic & French announcement are finally logical.
Moreover, according to the international regulations, this is perfectly legal.

ICAO used to have 4 official languages : English, French, Russian, Spanish.
Two more were added in 2004 : Arabic and Chinese.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8774 times:

Hi, FlySSC,

and thanx for the further ICAO informations.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
that those flights between ORY and Morocco are mostly O/D demand and point to point services (unlike AF to/from CDG) so Arabic & French announcement are finally logical.

Well, it looks like that there are not another single pax with a german passport on that flight!.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineGlobetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 379 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Hi there Markus,

A very interesting trip report on an airline which is not often featured on Airliners.net. Great pictures and detail!

I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck with the AF A320 reg. With so many A320s in their fleet, it is a real pity that you got the same reg again. As you said, that is destiny!

Thanks for all your efforts!!

Globetraveller


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

Hi Markus

thanks for the report! I didn't know that it was coming online already so soon  Wink AF no specials, even a shame to get on a well known bird.
I had the connecting bus to ORY once and fare was 16 Euro's then (2 years ago). It was reliable, and ok. But when traffic is jamming, you should calculate some spare time buffer.
AT is a good airline so far, I think. I like the food. Cabin shows well maintained. All positive.

btw, I looked to AT fares before, but ex AMS rather expensive. Maybe a chance in summer, when they operate B763, B744, B752 to AMS. And in the future, B787 of course Big grin

Gruß
Eric



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8238 times:



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
It's a question of safety - English should be standard.

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 no 

While I agree that it's a question of safety I strongly disagree that it should be in English. Given the the route and the carrier I'm sure that the languages chosen are most appropriate.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8236 times:



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):
I've been once on the 747 from FRA to CMN. My first flight on the Jumbo!

Hey, sounds like a remarkable experience.

It definitively was:



User currently offlineELAL772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 8057 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):

May I asked why you are surprised? Afterall it's a Morrocan airline, flying from Paris to Agadir.

it's common for airlines to have announcements in English aswell.
Why do they have announcements in English on a flight between Kiev and Odessa or between Tel-Aviv and Eilat? because it's just common.
I flew TBS-TLV this afternoon on IZ and the purser did her thing on the PA system in Hebrew, and then told the other F/A (who happens to be a purser aswell) that everyone looks Israeli so she won't do the English announcements which laid the other F/A to say "come on, you just do it in English no matter what!"


25 FLIEGER67 : Hello, again, @Globetraveller: Thank you. You´re latest story on QR is still on hold till more time to read it en detail. @Eric: Thank you. I´ve don
26 OA260 : Hey Markus , Excellent report. Love the interior of RAM. Food good also in Y . Nice to go on something new and un known. I was surprised too about no
27 Semsem : EL AL772 would have been interesting to read a report / see pics fromTibilisi to TLV on Arkia.
28 Elal772 : Semsem: I have all the pics + a video but I can't firgure out how to upload them. Tried photobucket and picasaweb. didn't work. I'd like to thank eve
29 FLIEGER67 : Hello, once more, @Phil: Thank you. Yeah, thats always a pleasure!. Let me join that session. @Toda: Me too! Greetings, Markus (FLIEGER67)
30 Ndebele : Hi Markus, very nice report, and this one was especially interesting as there aren't many RAM reports online here on a.net. Also a nice selection of p
31 FLIEGER67 : Hey, Alex, Thank you. Yeah, also my impression, something different. No way to do it like a daytrip!. Greetings, Markus (FLIEGER67)
32 Infodesk : Hi Markus, so finally time for another trip, it was a long wait! Always nice to see a different airline, and don't recall AF being covered much in you
33 FLIEGER67 : Hello, Hannah and thanx for your reply. Hey, good idea Definitely No. 1 for a trip to the Maghreb countries. Yes, for sure!. Will be online around nex
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