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'Longhaul' On The Dash 8-300: PLH-NQY-GNB With WOW  
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12493 times:

Long Haul from Plymouth, Dash 8 Style


To be honest, it’s not often that something new and exciting happens at Plymouth Airport so, in late 2007, when a package of winter ski flights for the 2008/2009 season were announced, it caused considerable interest – not least because this would be the longest scheduled flight ever offered from the city! Initially the plan was to serve Chamberry Airport with a single weekly flight, however a phone call from Air Southwest in spring 2008 informed me that the destination had been changed to Grenoble. With fares going on sale from just £35 it was a bargain I simply couldn’t miss!

Now, fast-forward a year later, to the night before I depart when, as a precaution, I decided to check the status of my reservation using Air Southwest’s handy website… imagine my surprise to find that the flight is actually leaving three and a half hours earlier than I thought! I checked, and all of my correspondence from the airline stated a departure time of 12:35, yet everything on their website suggested otherwise.


Saturday 3rd December


My alarm clock sounded at seven thirty, considerably earlier that I had hoped, but as normal I’d left everything ready the previous night so as not to impede my morning semi-consciousness. An advantage of living so close to the airport (and in turn the airport being so central to the city) is that I didn’t need to leave the house until gone eight and, even so, just seven minutes later my Grandfather pulled up at the terminal to drop me off. Thankfully common sense has prevailed since by last trip here, meaning that you can use the car park free of charge for 15 minutes when collecting or dropping off passengers – it always used to be the way, but a few years ago a charge (£2 minimum for half an hour rings a bell) was introduced which, inevitably, resulted in nobody using the car park and cars cluttering up the taxi bays and anywhere else they could find to stop!

The terminal was deserted this morning, so I was soon checked in and assigned seat 2A, one of my favorites – with a booked load of just ten passengers initially to Newquay, it’s no wonder the terminal was so empty! I mentioned to staff about the flight time issue which I’d encountered, in case anyone else traveling on the route didn’t realise and missed their trip. They were surprised very and concerned, so promptly checked the content of the emails which had been sent out to me, but as I’d found, none contained any reference to the time alteration, for which they both apologised profusely even though it obviously wasn’t either of their faults. Luckily it hadn’t affected my travel plans and I was the first person to have encountered this problem, but I do think it rather odd that the airline did not detail the new schedule in their email, or mention it on the phone when calling advising passengers of the change in destination, as I presume that’s when the change occurred.




One of the best things about Plymouth City Airport is its size; the compact, neat terminal is a breeze to pass though and was still adorned with festive touches. Unfortunately an hour delay to the flight was announced, due to the aircraft still being covered in ice; there are no conventional deicing facilities at the airport, so we’d just have to wait until it had melted, in the meantime I made use of the complimentary internet terminal.










Obviously the ice cleared more quickly than expected so, whilst the aircraft was towed onto the stand, myself and the other passengers were called through to the departure lounge, passing through security and then walking out to where G-WOWE was now waiting.








PLH-NQY-GNB Plymouth City Airport to Grenoble Isère, via Newquay

Carrier: Air Southwest (69th & 70th sectors on airline)
Flight: WOW 714
Aircraft: De Havilland Dash 8-311 (68th & 69th sectors on aircraft type)
Registration: G-WOWE (16 & 17th sectors on aircraft)
Date of First Flight: 07.03.1991
Seat: 2A
Block Departure Time From PLH: 09:00
Actual Take off Time: 09:47
Block Arrival Time at NQY: 09:20
Actual Touchdown Time: 09:59
Distance Flown: 39 miles
Flying Time: 12 minutes


Newquay is a very short hop from Plymouth; some days with a good tailwind it takes you less than ten minutes, although today’s flight was expected to be slightly longer at twelve. The light load made for an incredibly quick take off, with a roll of around 500 meters before the nose pulled up and away into the air, climbing towards the ‘cruise’ height of 3000ft down to Newquay – there’s simply no point going any higher on a 39 mile flight, no sooner are you up, then you’re coming back down again!







Newquay’s vast expanse of runway welcomed the plane with a soft landing, signaling the first time I’d used the airport under it’s new code; you may have read about the ‘miscalculations’ the local council and management made in regards to the handover of NQY/EGDG St Mawgan from the RAF to Cornwall County Council as NQY/EGHQ Newquay Airport, which resulted in the airport being without an operating license and thus closed for half of December! Nevertheless, the ground crews weren’t out of practice, with the stop lasting an impressive 16 minutes from touchdown to take off, during which time a further 14 passengers joined the flight to France.








Block Departure Time From NQY: 09:40
Actual Take off Time: 10:15
Block Arrival Time at GNB: 13:10
Actual Touchdown Time: 13:26
Distance Flown: 594 miles
Flying Time: 2 hours 11 minutes

Total Distance Flown: 633 miles
Total Flying Time: 2 hours 23 minutes
Total Journey Time: 2 hours 39 minutes (Time including the stop in NQY)
Fare: £35 (+£5 credit card booking fee)


For the second time now, the Dash clattered its way down the runway and up into the sky, aiming for a cruise altitude this time of 14,000 feet and a flying time of just over two hours, thanks to a good tailwind. The beautiful Cornish scenery slipped slowly past far below, as did a company Dash 8 heading in the opposite direction on the LGW circuit, thousands of feet beneath us as we traced an identical flight path back towards Plymouth, where I just managed to glimpse my village before the rest of Devon became obscured by cloud.
















I love the Dash 8 family of aircraft – they’re a tough breed but, as the flight passed into its second hour, the monotony and vibration ridden drone coming from the engines began to grate on me slightly, no wonder, as all of Air Southwest’s equipment is of non Q technology heritage. G-WOWE might be the newest addition to the fleet, but it’s in fact the oldest of the five Dashes in service, being the 256th example off the production line, it was delivered to the original Brymon Airways in March of 1991 as a replacement for the slow flying Dash 7 which would cause great fun as it trundled into LHR. No doubt it has spent most of its life since flying to and from the South West, passing on to the re-branded Brymon European Airways and then British Airways CityExpress, it’s only compulsory time away from the region came after BA had pulled out and before Air Southwest brought it home again, so to speak.

At about that point though Paris appeared below to present a welcome distraction, spread out like a picnic rug, whilst in the sky an Air France B747-400 cruised rapidly past in the opposite direction – oh how I wish I hadn’t got my wide angle lens on at the time; it can’t have been more than a couple of miles away! The flight path gave a good overview of Paris Orly airport, and the much smaller Bretigny-sur-Orge airfield.













A slow right hand bank pointed us directly South, where in the distance the Alps gradually came into view. If you had told me a few years ago that I’d be sat in an Air Southwest Dash 8 looking out at the Alps, then I’d probably have told you that you’d gone potty, it certainly did feel quite odd – although Devon does own two mountains, they’re not quite the same as looking out at an Alp! With the flight now breaking into its third hour, ten minutes to landing was announced, skipping across the cloud bank, before plunging through to a cold looking France beneath.













The landing was again top notch; a nice gentle touchdown on runway 09, rolling out along its 3050m length, where reverse thrust definitely wasn’t needed! An impressive line-up of aircraft were already present on the ground at Grenoble; including several 737s from SAS, an Aurigny ATR from Jersey, a FlyBe DHC4, a Thomas Cook B752 and B753, plus the inevitable handful of Ryanair B738s.

LN-TUM, SAS B737-700:



LN-RRW, SAS B737-800:



G-BWDA, Aurigny Air Services ATR72-200:



Although our stand wasn’t located on the main apron, it didn’t take long to reach and a bus was promptly waiting to drive us back to the terminal.




Border control formalities took barely a few seconds, and I was free to go and explore France for a few hours! Annoyingly it was -2 and I’d left my hat and gloves at my girlfriend’s house, but nevertheless I decided to venture outside to photograph the various ski charters and other traffic, starting off with the returning Air Southwest flight.




M-GPIK. Private Dassault Falcon 50EX:



G-TCBA, Thomas Cook Airlines B757-200:






EI-DWW, Ryanair B737-800:


PH-XRX, Transavia Airlines B737-700:



G-MONR, Monarch Airlines A300B4-605R:






EI-DCX, Ryanair B737-800:



EI-DCK, Ryanair B737-800:



The fading light and cold wind eventually pushed me back into the terminal for another baguette, I’d gotten a good few hours shooting in with fairly good results considering the gloomy weather – I was especially pleased to have gotten a few decent pictures of the Monarch A300. Then I happened to notice a flight arriving some six hours late from Moscow Vnukovo, operated by an airline whose code I’d never seen before. Curiosity got the better of me, so off I trudged in the dark, back around the perimeter fence, but boy was it worth it for this beauty – one of the nicest liveries I’ve ever seen on a Russian aircraft, reminding me slightly of Kingfisher:

RA-64047, Red Wings Tu204-100B:



A Challenger was also lit up and about to depart, so I took the opportunity whilst I was outside to grab a quick picture:

TS-IAM, Private Challenger 604:



I figured it was about time to head into the departures lounge, taking a few rather hasty pictures of the terminal as I went. My ‘Check-N-Go’ boarding pass was manually checked before customs and security, then matched up with a regular boarding pass for which it was exchanged - as Grenoble is not a permanent Ryanair base, I presume that they don’t have the equipment necessary to scan the self printed ones.







Both land and airside the terminal was packed out – anything which looked like a seat had been sat on, and anything stable enough was used as a prop for someone to lean against – people were literally tripping over each other just to walk around. It can be expected though, for an airport which is only really used during three months of the year you can’t expect the facilities to be vast, although my only strong criticism would be the woefully insufficient number of toilets, especially in the departure lounge where I could only count four cubicles between men and women!

When debating my return options I’d failed to find anything interesting to fly on, but I really don’t think that I had looked hard enough. There were two Orion Air aircraft which I could have flown back to the UK on; a BAe146 or B757, a JetTime B733 I could have taken to Copenhagen or… and this is where I really kicked myself… an Air Greenland B757! I really wish I’d looked at the flights back to the Norse countries as I could have made a much more interesting trip, but I’ve noted it all down for next year. Boarding for the Ryanair flight which I ended up booking myself on instead was called at just gone 9pm, somehow I managed to find myself at the front of the surge forwards towards Gate 1!








GNB-BRS Grenoble Isère to Bristol

Carrier: Ryanair (14th sector on airline)
Flight: FR 8215
Aircraft: Boeing B737-8AS (18th sector on aircraft type)
Registration: EI-DCE (1st sector on aircraft)
Date of First Flight: 11.03.2004
Seat: Free seating (9F taken)
Block Departure Time: 21:50
Actual Take off Time: 22:40
Block Arrival Time: 23:10
Actual Touchdown Time: 23:05
Distance Flown: 556 miles
Total Flying Time: 1 hour 25 minutes
Fare: €46


Despite the early boarding call the aircraft was still sat on its stand for no apparent come 10pm, by which time I’d had enough of keeping my eyes open and fell asleep. I was awoken by an angry, gravelly roar, along with the unnerving sensation of being thrown backwards - for a brief moment I was quite confused about where I was and what was happening; the last thing I’d noted before dropping off was that the aircraft still hadn’t been de-iced, yet suddenly it was taking off! That though is my only memory of the flight, and the next thing I knew we’d arrive on stand at BRS – my idea of a quick flight, although I don’t normally sleep at all on aircraft.







Sadly, this wasn’t the end of my journey – I still had to get back to Plymouth. There was a coach running at 2am, but by waiting overnight in the terminal and taking the train the following morning instead I’d save myself £20, well worth it I figured! So, I grabbed some chocolate and a veggie deli from the 24 hour Subway and started to type this report out on my laptop. 12 hours later I eventually got home, thanks to a considerable delay on the train!  grumpy 


In conclusion, it was nice to fly on a different route from PLH, I’ve gotten very fed up of always flying the PLH-BRS sector dozens of times, but I can’t see the flight I took having been profitable for WOW with the cabin not even half full. The return flight was almost sold out though, which is much more promising, so I hope that overall the yields are good and they stick with it and repeat the service next year. Most importantly though, they’ve proven to the general public that they can operate flights to the continent out of PLH and NQY; an important ice-breaker and hopefully the key to further routes being developed abroad.


Thanks for taking the time to read my report, hopefully you’ve enjoyed this little commentary on one of the more unusual ski flights operating this season – the flights are running until the 28th of March, so you’ve still got a couple of months if you want to try a ‘long haul’ flight on the Dash 8-300 for yourself!


All the best,


Dan  Smile


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User currently offlineGroup51 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

I certainly enjoyed it. I wish I'd done a report on my little island hop on a Dash-8 from BGI-SLU. All I got was a picture of the Pitons:



User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Great report Dan, I really need to catch-up on a few I've been meaning to write for a while- on WOWE too!

Christian.


User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

Hi Dan,

Really great report and a fascinating selection of pictures. Nice to read a report of a "long-haul" flight on the Dash 8. Grenoble seems to offer great spotting opportunities - at least in winter.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
imagine my surprise to find that the flight is actually leaving three and a half hours earlier than I thought! I checked, and all of my correspondence from the airline stated a departure time of 12:35, yet everything on their website suggested otherwise.

Wow, you were really lucky that you didn't miss your flight. Sometimes it is quite uesful to check out the timetable shortly before you are leaving.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
Carrier: Air Southwest (69th & 70th sectors on airline)

That's what I call a frequent flyer. If Air Southwest had a "Gold" status, you should get it!

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11705 times:

Hey, Dan,

great story and more great pics.

Well done to catch such an unusual route from PLH and NQY.
Like your Grenoble aircraft pix.
It seems its a well used airport from the Scandinavian countries,
yesterday I spotted also two RC/Faroe Islands Atlantic Airways services enroute from GNB
to Copenhagen and Billund on the swiss radar screen.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
The light load made for an incredibly quick take off, with a roll of around 500 meters

Good to read with some 700 to 800 meter runways Dash 8 legs in my log for the
early summer months!.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineElevate From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11631 times:

Superb report!!

I didn't realize AirSouthwest had a booking fee... you learn something new every day!


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11624 times:



Quoting Group51 (Reply 1):
I certainly enjoyed it. I wish I'd done a report on my little island hop on a Dash-8 from BGI-SLU. All I got was a picture of the Pitons:

Thanks and, pardon my ignorance, but what airline were you flying there?

Quoting NQYGuy (Reply 2):
Great report Dan, I really need to catch-up on a few I've been meaning to write for a while- on WOWE too!

Ahh, I'm glad I'm not the only one getting WOWE a lot recently then - it's almost caught up with the infamous WOWD!  faint 

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 3):
Really great report and a fascinating selection of pictures. Nice to read a report of a "long-haul" flight on the Dash 8. Grenoble seems to offer great spotting opportunities - at least in winter.

Thanks Christoph, yes GNB had some excellent spotting locations and quite a few holes in the fence where you could poke your camera through. I know Air Baltic also have some pretty long flights on the Fokker 50 and FlyBe on the Q400, but for the Dash 8-300 it was rather a long trip!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 3):
That's what I call a frequent flyer. If Air Southwest had a "Gold" status, you should get it!

If only, I have flown them rather a lot in the past four or five years!  silly 

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 4):
Hey, Dan,

great story and more great pics.

Well done to catch such an unusual route from PLH and NQY.
Like your Grenoble aircraft pix.
It seems its a well used airport from the Scandinavian countries,
yesterday I spotted also two RC/Faroe Islands Atlantic Airways services enroute from GNB
to Copenhagen and Billund on the swiss radar screen.

Hi Markus, and thank you! Were the Atlantic Airways flights you spotter operating quite late in the evening, say about 8/9pm, as I saw at least one BAe146 on the ground which sported their livery and there was another which I couldn't quite get a clear enough view of through the dark to be sure about.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 4):
Good to read with some 700 to 800 meter runways Dash 8 legs in my log for the
early summer months!.

That sounds like fun - is that on the -100/-200 series? I had the pleasure of taking off in a Dash 8-100 straight into a strong gale whilst in Iceland, the thing had barely rolled the length of a football pitch before it drifted into the air.


Thanks again for the kind comments so far,


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11612 times:



Quoting Elevate (Reply 5):
Superb report!!

I didn't realize AirSouthwest had a booking fee... you learn something new every day!

Thanks!  Smile

They claim not to, but basically it's unavoidable. You either have to pay £1 for a debit card, or now I think it's £6 or £7 for a Credit Card, per transaction that is. At the time of booking I felt the extra protection which a credit card gave me was worth the extra in charges.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11157 times:

Hey Dan great trip report and fantastic photographs! Brings back memories of when I was at college in Plymouth.

Lets face it the Southwest has been in desparate need of better airlinks and WOW must have been a breath of fresh air for the region. Before they came along I could never figure out why the places you could fly to out of PLH and NQY were so limited. There clearly was demand for a greater veriety of services. If they had flown to MAN seven years ago, I would have used them all the time. Hated the drive up north!  Smile



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

Hi Dan & thanks for posting a nice Air Southwest report again!

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately an hour delay to the flight was announced, due to the aircraft still being covered in ice; there are no conventional deicing facilities at the airport, so we’d just have to wait until it had melted

Ouch! "These things can happen, but they shouldn't happen", as we say in German.

It was a real pleasure to read your report and to watch the pics - I somehow love those Air Southwest reports, as they make me want to visit Cornwall again.

Best regards, Alex.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11109 times:

Hey, Dan,

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
That sounds like fun - is that on the -100/-200 series?

Wideroe´s -100, several legs around northern Norway, included the coastal rider
Tromsoe to Kirkenes with not more than six scheduled stops!.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineGroup51 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Hi Dan

It was LIAT. Turns out the CEO was on the flight (middle guy at the front):

http://gallery.me.com/chrismahon/100052/DSCF0555/web.jpg


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Great report but why is the actual touch down time later than the block time in GNB?

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10277 times:

Hi Dan, interesting to read. I tried to squeeze in a WOW DHC-8 flight on my trip to Cardiff around the Aer Lingus A-330 on 21 march where you'll also be. I thought about AMS-LGW-PLM-BRS, AMS-LBF-BRS , AMS-STN-NQY-PLM-BRS but both prices and flight times (too early  Wink ) don't seem to be too appealing. I guess I should make a separate trip to Plymouth and combine it with seeing Torquay and flying Skybus one summer.
That's a pretty long flight for a DHC. Indeed an interesting point, if they can manage GNB they might give AMS or BRU a try.
Did Air Southwest have any service on this flight? Buy on Board I guess but any wider selection?



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10257 times:



Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 8):
Hey Dan great trip report and fantastic photographs! Brings back memories of when I was at college in Plymouth.

Thanks, was that the main uni? Plymouth is a very up and coming city at the moment  Smile

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 8):
Lets face it the Southwest has been in desparate need of better airlinks and WOW must have been a breath of fresh air for the region. Before they came along I could never figure out why the places you could fly to out of PLH and NQY were so limited. There clearly was demand for a greater veriety of services. If they had flown to MAN seven years ago, I would have used them all the time. Hated the drive up north!

I think a lot of the problem was BA's insistence that you could only fly with 36 pax from PLH (IIRC - was told this by the airport many years ago), and on that bases they made their strategic withdrawal.  Sad

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 9):
Hi Dan & thanks for posting a nice Air Southwest report again!

Thanks Alex! I try not to post too many WOW reports, as if I posted every flight I took you'd soon grow tired of them; there's only so many way to describe a Dash 8 take off before it simply becomes plane goes up, plane goes down, plane goes up... etc...

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 9):
Ouch! "These things can happen, but they shouldn't happen", as we say in German.

It was a real pleasure to read your report and to watch the pics - I somehow love those Air Southwest reports, as they make me want to visit Cornwall again.

Thinking about it, there would have been four aircraft present that morning at PLH; 1 on the MAN/LBA flight, 1 on the LGW circuit, and 1 for the GLA/NCL/JER flights, so mine would have been the last of four going out that morning, meaning it probably had limited time in the hanger to warm up. LH are doing their direct DUS-NQY flights again this year, with the CRJ200, that might be a quite route into the region for you?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 10):
Wideroe´s -100, several legs around northern Norway, included the coastal rider
Tromsoe to Kirkenes with not more than six scheduled stops!.

Now that I've got to try, my best so far it four or five flights in a day, I could double it by taking that!

Quoting Group51 (Reply 11):
It was LIAT. Turns out the CEO was on the flight (middle guy at the front):

Very interesting, I've not flown on the 100/200 much.

Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 12):
Great report but why is the actual touch down time later than the block time in GNB?

Thank you! The block arrival/departure time is when the flight should have been leaving and arriving, but because of the Icing problem to start off with in PLH, things were delayed by a little.  Smile

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
Hi Dan, interesting to read. I tried to squeeze in a WOW DHC-8 flight on my trip to Cardiff around the Aer Lingus A-330 on 21 march where you'll also be. I thought about AMS-LGW-PLM-BRS, AMS-LBF-BRS , AMS-STN-NQY-PLM-BRS but both prices and flight times (too early ) don't seem to be too appealing. I guess I should make a separate trip to Plymouth and combine it with seeing Torquay and flying Skybus one summer.

Thanks, I'm looking forwards to the EI332 flight! It would have been much easier for you if WOW still operated from CWL, a few years ago they flew a double daily NQY-CWL-MAN flight, but like BRS-NWI the loads weren't there so they pulled it. I got to fly this by accident when my MAN-BRS-PLH aircraft went tech, in seat 1C all the way back, watching pax wobble around like jellies in their seats! Skybus have some very interesting things on their website, although they keep changing. A few weeks ago it suggested they were going to start selling tickets on the EXT-NQY section of the flight which continue to StMary's, but now it also shows flights operating from Land's End Aerodrome to Cork! Now that would be a flight to take, either they are sending an Islander all that way or operating the DHC6 from a grass runway.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
That's a pretty long flight for a DHC. Indeed an interesting point, if they can manage GNB they might give AMS or BRU a try.
Did Air Southwest have any service on this flight? Buy on Board I guess but any wider selection?

It is very interesting, we flew over Paris at the hour and a half mark, and that's from NQY, so taking off from PLH you could make it in just over an hour. BA used to serve CDG form PLH, it was well used by several companies including a Pharmaceuticals giant, who subsequently left the Plymouth area when BA stopped the flight and then pulled out altogether. If some form of code share could be set up with the likes of KLM/AF then the flights would be very popular. As it is I do wonder what's on the horizon, with the former CEO of SNBrussels Airlines now at the helm - I couldn't believe it when I read his name, they perhaps have some big plans if they are appointing someone with that level of experience, as he can't be cheap so to speak! There's the best part of a million people here in PLH's catchment area, and I know from working in the Postal Sorting office that there's a good number of FB Gold and Platinum members in the area who have to travel up to BRS to fly.

A quick buy on board service was offered, quite a few takers too, as WOW's prices aren't too bad.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10109 times:

Hi Dan,

intersting report, for sure! Such a long trip on a Dash 8 around Europe can't be found easily I think. The Dash 8 is a nice plane though, flew a -200 type once myself, but for 2 hours,... not my first choice honestly.
Pictures were great, and GNB seems a good field to do some spotting some day!



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9665 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 14):
Thanks, was that the main uni? Plymouth is a very up and coming city at the moment

Believe it or not it was the college of art and design Big grin
Yeah I've heard it is very up and coming, still got a few friends down there. One of them teaches at the Uni. It's been a few years since I was last there though, I keep meaning to go back and visit.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 14):
I think a lot of the problem was BA's insistence that you could only fly with 36 pax from PLH (IIRC - was told this by the airport many years ago), and on that bases they made their strategic withdrawal.

I didn't know that. I guess part of WOW's success is it's lower cost base. Having BA as the primary operator, in a regional airport is never going to be good news. You are instantly restricted to either LHR or LGW as the bread and butter route. In PLH's case it is LGW, as when BA took over Brymon they used Brymon's valuable slot at LHR, and transferred all London services to LGW. Though if memory serves me right wasn't CDG and ABZ services offered at one time?

WOW offers a greater range of services from the region than BA ever did. They seem to have a good vision of where they want to go.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9496 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
intersting report, for sure! Such a long trip on a Dash 8 around Europe can't be found easily I think. The Dash 8 is a nice plane though, flew a -200 type once myself, but for 2 hours,... not my first choice honestly.
Pictures were great, and GNB seems a good field to do some spotting some day!

Thanks Eric! GNB did have osme good traffic, but really it's only a few days a week for the Winter Ski season, the rest of the year it's dead. For me it was quite long on the Dash too, but I think FlyBe runs some longer flights, such as charters from BHX and a scheduled flight from EXT to Southern Spain, I believe that's the longest DHC8 flight in Europe!

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 16):
Believe it or not it was the college of art and design
Yeah I've heard it is very up and coming, still got a few friends down there. One of them teaches at the Uni. It's been a few years since I was last there though, I keep meaning to go back and visit.

Ahh, the College of Art & Design is a very respectable outfit. Plymouth is a nice place to visit, its becoming very popular for weekend trips.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 16):
I didn't know that. I guess part of WOW's success is it's lower cost base. Having BA as the primary operator, in a regional airport is never going to be good news. You are instantly restricted to either LHR or LGW as the bread and butter route. In PLH's case it is LGW, as when BA took over Brymon they used Brymon's valuable slot at LHR, and transferred all London services to LGW. Though if memory serves me right wasn't CDG and ABZ services offered at one time?

WOW offers a greater range of services from the region than BA ever did. They seem to have a good vision of where they want to go.

Really it's the same for WOW, their main earner is the four daily rotations to LGW. BA made some honorable promises about not removing the LHR slots when they took Brymon over, promises which lasted a matter of weeks IIRC. CDG was definately offered, I believe it was via JER, as were services to BRS and DUB, as well as MAN - if my memory serves me correctly that is. Hopefully more services will continue to be launched from the city.


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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

Really enjoyed this trip report.

Unfortunately the vast majority of reports feature jet flights only !
So, it´s always refreshing to read about "prop-trips" !

I´ve flown WOW only once in 2007. Probably i was lucky to be on G-WOWC. Albeit just on a short hop (Plymouth-Newquay) to "connect" with Aer Arann to Luton (they have already dropped the route...)
Still feeling "ripped off" for having to pay an "airport development fee" before departure from NQY  Angry



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8818 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 18):
Really enjoyed this trip report.

Unfortunately the vast majority of reports feature jet flights only !
So, it´s always refreshing to read about "prop-trips" !

Thanks, I have some more prop reports to write - it's just finding the time to do so at thew moment!

Quoting MHG (Reply 18):
I´ve flown WOW only once in 2007. Probably i was lucky to be on G-WOWC. Albeit just on a short hop (Plymouth-Newquay) to "connect" with Aer Arann to Luton (they have already dropped the route...)
Still feeling "ripped off" for having to pay an "airport development fee" before departure from NQY

The Aer Arann route was dropped very quickly, they just couldn't compete with FR's service to STN, which was of more use for Londoners as it's better linked to Central London by public transport. The PLH-NQY flights have also been 'dropped' - it's still flown up to eight times a day, but you can't book seats on it any more. It's completely ridiculous, but I think WOW felt that too many people may do like yourself, and connect to other airlines from NQY, having paid just £19 to WOW for the PLH-NQY sector. Personally I see it as a waste of revenue, as up to three of those flights have to go out half empty because the plane originates in PLH after overnighting and then picks up more pax in NQY, so they might as well get some extra revenue from passengers like yourself.


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