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FLL-DFW On AA's Upgraded Boeing 75L  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11816 times:
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American Airlines recently announced that it will upgrade 18 Boeing 752s in order to commence transatlantic flights to thinner markets in Europe, and also to certain markets in South America out of MIA. AA's first B75L is currently operating DFW-FLL-DFW-MCO-DFW daily. The B75L is configured with 16 seats in the C cabin and 166 seats in the Y cabin.

American Airlines
FLL-DFW
Flight: AA1227
Departure: 11:20am/11:32am (Scheduled/Actual)
Arrival: 1:45pm/1:10pm (Scheduled/Actual)
Flight Duration: 2h 38min
Equipment: B75L
Registration: N185AN
Cabin: First
Seat: 1A

N185AN at FLL Gate F5 ready to board:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01641.jpg

AA's new Business Class seats:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01674.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01647.jpg

All seats in the Business Class cabin feature PTVs and power ports:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01646.jpg

AA's usual domestic lunch service:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01644.jpg

The bulkhead row of the C cabin:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01645.jpg

Unlike most carriers, AA did not install PTVs in the Y cabin. Instead, AA simply replaced the old IFE system with LCD screens. Hopefully AA will rethink this decision and place PTVs in the Y cabin:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01653.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01650.jpg

The crew rest seats of the B75L simply consist of regular Y seats with a curtain for privacy:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01651.jpg

AA also installed new lavatories on this aircraft:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01649.jpg

On approach to the DFW Hub:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01663.jpg

Due to our early arrival at DFW our gate was still occupied by another B752:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01661.jpg

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01665.jpg

N185AN at Gate A20 getting ready for the flight to MCO:

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/SCL767/N185AN/DSC01675.jpg

The flight was uneventful and the C cabin was quite comfortable and modern. Its nice to see AA upgrading some of their B752s for future expansion into thinner markets in Europe and South America; however it would have been nice if AA installed PTVs in the Y cabin.

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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11605 times:

I have to agree, I think they should have gone for PVTs in Y. Delta and Continental have PVTs, do US Airways have any plans to install them? Do United have any intentions to operate 757s transatlantic? Surely there are markets from IAD and ORD that UA could use the 75 on?

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11403 times:
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Quoting HUYfan (Reply 1):
US Airways have any plans to install them? Do United have any intentions to operate 757s transatlantic?

I do not think that UA uses the B752 on transatlantic routes. US Airways on the other hand uses the B752s frequently on their transatlantic routes out of PHL. They operate the B752 to AMS, ARN, BHX, BRU, DUB, GLA, LGW, LIS, OSL, and SNN out of PHL. I do not believe that the US Airways B752s are equipped with PTVs.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11290 times:

Wow, that is a big improvement in coach also!

I notice better tray tables, and the head rest if you will. That is an improvement alone for me.

The Y seats though look much better then the former 757's.

Great report, glad you got to ride it!

Alex



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

Biz class looks really nice as do the new seats in Y. But those LCDs in the isles look very small. AA should revise this and put PTVs in Y instead.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10519 times:
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Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 4):
AA should revise this and put PTVs in Y instead.

AA as usual never goes the entire way because they are focused on cost-cutting. Overall, the B75L product is excellent and the Y seats are great. The huge blunder was not equipping each seat in Y with PTVs!


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Are those coach seats slimmer than the seats on the 767? That's what it looks like.


-A



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10140 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
AA as usual never goes the entire way because they are focused on cost-cutting. Overall, the B75L product is excellent and the Y seats are great. The huge blunder was not equipping each seat in Y with PTVs!

I hate to say it but this is my frustration with them! They get so close at times and put in 85-90% of the effort and for the lack doing that last little bit! Credit where credit's due. Great that they upgrade the lavs like that! Now two more things would bring those cabins right up to top standard. First... replace the original ceiling panals with the more modern ones. Next as everybody said PTVs.

I have observed AA have made this same mistake in the MD-80 fleet as well. New bins, New Lavs, New sidewall panals and got the thing looking good but dont bother with the new ceiling panals as others like SAS have done.

Anyway a step in the right direction, and even though its not as good as some of the widebody products Kudos to AA for installing their 'real' business class seat into the 757, rather then sticking with a product from the 1990s as some have chosen to do.

Just one more thought. Does anybody think AA has not bothered with the PTV's purely because they view economy passengers as ballast on these flights? They're really only interested in the 16 J class fares and econ passengers are just there to get the trip cost down?


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10098 times:

Hmmm! Not very impressive but way much better than the current outdated configuration. This was long overdue!!! Too bad AA will not install PTVs in Y; AA is too cheap not a leader anymore. They just look at the other competitors and then imitate things half-way; like partial AVOD 777s in Y! What a joke!

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7548 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10026 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
Unlike most carriers, AA did not install PTVs in the Y cabin. Instead, AA simply replaced the old IFE system with LCD screens. Hopefully AA will rethink this decision and place PTVs in the Y cabin:

Its the same reason NW didn't install PTV's in coach they are a lot heavier and hinder range, enough that NW didn't put them in.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Oh another thought ppl.

AA's new business class seat in these 757s. That surely must be heavier then the 1990s products DL and NW and even CO are using in there long haul 757s. Is it possible AA decided that it was worth 'spending' that extra weight in business class more then it was to fit PTV's in economy?

Because, although the economy passengers wont like it that would make sense. From a revenue point of view, I'd happly fly an AA 757 direct nonstop to somwhere like BRU from JFK if they had that product installed. As for economy... unfortunately (and I hate this because i pay for many economy seats myself and I'll pay extra) it hsa been proven that you can fill economy completely up by charging $20 less on these kinds of flights, no matter how basic the service is. There is a market that just picks the cheapest price.
That being said there's also a market that demand more and those people tend to fly BA, Lufthansa and Virgin when in economy for this very reason.

Anybody got any insight RE the weight thing. Because it says a lot about AA's strategy on these routes.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9619 times:
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Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 7):
Does anybody think AA has not bothered with the PTV's purely because they view economy passengers as ballast on these flights? They're really only interested in the 16 J class fares and econ passengers are just there to get the trip cost down?

AA needed to free up some 763s to place on A-300 routes since the A-300s will be gone by Fall. I think that since their B763s do not have PTVs in Y, they think they can pull off the same thing with the B75Ls.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 10):
Anybody got any insight RE the weight thing. Because it says a lot about AA's strategy on these routes.

Most definitely. The LCD screens also weigh less that its predecessor. Also, the Y seats weigh less than the current ones on the other B752s.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6816 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9517 times:

Nice report, AA's First Class product doesn't look bad.

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
Unlike most carriers, AA did not install PTVs in the Y cabin. Instead, AA simply replaced the old IFE system with LCD screens. Hopefully AA will rethink this decision and place PTVs in the Y cabin:

Yes, I hope so, too. But I guess there are other priorities in these times...


PH



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User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

Thanks for the TR! Honestly, I'm pretty happy with the improvements in Y, even if they didn't install PTVs. Half the time I'm on an aircraft with PTVs, I end up switching to the moving map 75% of the time anyways and start reading a book or magazine, so it's no big personal loss... as long as AA shows our position every once in a while on the LCDs.

I understand that only a small subfleet of the 757s will be equipped with the new first class seats, but will the entire fleet go through the modernization process with respect to new Y seats, LCD screens, etc.?


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