Let´s start another mission.
The BAE ATP is a very rare plane type here in Europe. Flown in freighter configuration for example by West Air Sweden and only operated for
passenger services also in Sweden by Nextjet or in Portugal by SATA Air Acores.
And it was missed from my log, till now.
I´ve done plan´s for that ride for several times and when I´ve read that SATA ordered Dash 8 machines to replace the ATPs, I´ve fixed my
bookings for late February this year.
Two nights/three days around the BAE ATP.
Sunday, 22.02.2009
FRA (Frankfurt-Rhein-Main) Not that really cold, but wet, 5 degrees centigrade
LHR (London-Heathrow) Windy and mild, 12 degrees centigrade
Duration: 1 hour 15 minutes announced
1 hour 40 minutes actual
Service BA 903 operated by British Airways Boeing 767-300 G-BZHC
Scheduled: 11.15 // 12.05 (-1 hour time difference)
Actual 11.45 // 12.25
Gate: D4 Seat: 39A
Load factor: Near 100%
Fare: 79,72 EUR
That was, for sure, not that funny ride to STR that sunday morning, completely snow covered roads, not more than 60 km´s per hour possible.
At the airport at around 06.45 am, parked the car quickly and down the stairs to the train station. Departure 07.08 am to Stuttgart
main train station, where I've changed to the ICE high speed train, directly to FRA airport. BA´s STR-LHR service is usually operated by A319´s,
so I´ve decided to fly out of FRA to catch the 763.
My last flight on this type was some ten years ago.
Both, suburban train and ICE departed ontime, the ICE was overbooked, so it seems, lots of people without seats, as usual during vacation times.
Arrival at FRA´s high speed train station ontime.
My train is departing from FRA:
With the train station near Terminal 1 and BA´s operation from Terminal 2, I took the Skyline for the change.
BA check-in was done online the night before, secured my preffered seat, you know, window last row. Not more than five minutes and my boarding pass was changed for a classic one and my bag was send to LHR by a friendly older female agent. She asked me for more flights today, but I´ve decided to check-in my bag further at LHR.
No time to wait at passport control and also at security. Only six gates there in that area, mainly used for flights to the states.
A few minutes later I saw the nice BA colours out on the taxiway between the two parallel runways. These colours looking really good on the 767-300.
Nice colours in the distance:
Something new for DL:
Well known MH:
That will be my third ride on the B763 only, with the last two legs, both on DL machines, more than ten years ago, so I´am looking really forward to it.
Todays plane G-BZHC remained its entire career with BA, delivered on 19.06.1998.
And it´s the newest machine in BA´s 763 fleet with 21 examples.
The plane passed by, well positioned for me doing pictures and parked at the finger at gate D4.
My machine:
And once more:
Only a very low number of pax deboarded, later I´ve learned about 26 pax inbound, a bit more than a 10% load!.
But according to the heavy numbers of pax at the gate, the outbound will be much better loaded, 221 pax over all.
Boarding started and I´ve entered the cabin, a welcome only at the door, no notice from the other crew members standing at their positions.
Let me say, that was a real experienced cabin crew, very professional but not especially friendly.
One male, five female FA´s.
The UK captain was on the speakers with lots of detailed informations during boarding. He apologized for the late departure, according to weather related traffic
separations around FRA.
We had to wait some more minutes till pushback and he informed us two or three times more.
The cabin fitted with oldfashioned blue fabric seats. The interior looks slightly outdated, not that really clean, but legroom was ok.
Old fashioned center cabin monitors, not in service today.
My seat:
The cabin:
At around 11.45 am we´re ready for departure from FRA´s 4000 meter long runway 18.
Also with that good load, the departure was fast and impressive.
Crusing level 34000 feet, cloudy skies above BRU and Oostende.
Above the clouds:
Traffic:
One time free beverages and a cereal bar from the service cart.
The pilot informed us later about the usual holding prior to landing at LHR. Some ten minutes today.
It looks like London:
Landing on the 3901 meters long runway 27R some minutes late and taxi to T5. My first time there. A good impression. Finger deboarding.
Nice Virgin machine:
BA One World:
Heavy towing:
Bye-Bye G-BZHC:
Only some very few minutes at passport control, my bag was quick on the belt. So time to change for Terminal 2 by the Heathrow Express train,
free for the intra-terminal ride.
Sunday, 22.02.2009
LHR (London-Heathrow) Windy and mild 12 degrees centigrade
FNC (Funchal-Madeira) Cloudy and windy, 18 degrees centigrade
Duration: 3 hours, 10 minutes announced
3 hours, 30 minutes actual
Service TP 391 operated by TAP Portugal Airbus A320 CS-TNE
Scheduled: 16.25 // 20.15
Actual: 16.30 // 20.00
Gate: 8 Seat: 28F
Load factor: Around 95%
Fare: 94,27 EUR
TAP´s online check-in was a complete joke.
Identifikation needs a Victoria member number, TAP's frequent flyer programm. I´am not a member.
The other opinion is your E-Ticket number, LHR departures switched to LH´s website which is responsible for the check-in there.
And when you check LH´s website, there is no place for the e-ticket number, the booking reference was also not accepted.
Time enough here during my change at LHR, so I decided for classic counter check-in, no other way possible.
Arrived at T2 well ontime, three counters open, only one with a family there. The guy was not unfriendly, no problem there to secure my preffered window last row
seat and once again my bag disappeared in the belly of LHR.
Surprisingly not a minute to wait at security, strict with shoes off and I was in LHR´s gate area.
Some shopping with, thanks to the strong EURO, very good conditions.
And time to walk around. LHRs T2 offers not that much quiet and interesting places for us enthusiasts, but the time goes by with exploring T2 and also T3.
JAT to BEG:
Something big in the distance:
Maybe, its the EK A380?:
Yes thats it:
IB One World:
And something for Phil/OA260 in the distance:
My machine:
Phils machine:
I´ve missed my planes arrival, the gate shows up on the screen, the usual run from the central waiting area started and the small gate area filled quickly up.
Looks like another good load here. Only minutes later finger boarding started.
CS-TNE, named "Sa de Miranda" was my machine today, a plane with an interesting history.
Delivered for the first time to TAP at 03.03.1993. In service with now defunct Portuguese charter carrier Air Luxor from 21.03.2000, later leased to Novair from Sweden
at 01.06.2002, back to Air Luxor at 27.03.2003 and the second time in service with TAP since 10.03.2004.
TAP´s A320 fleet counts 16 machines at all and thats one of the oldest examples.
CS-TNE was a new entry to my, by now with 44 flights covered A320 log.
Three male, two female FA´s. Bright grey fabric seats. Looks somewhat oldfashioned, clean, the legroom was ok.
Seats:
Cabin overview:
Center cabin monitors but only used for the safety demo and some advertissements.
We´re ready for departure from again runway 27R at around 4.30 pm.
The route gone mostly over water, no waypoints along the spanish and portuguese atlantic coast.
Short after departure from LHR:
Cruise level 37.000 feet. The female captain was later on the speakers with friendly and real detailed flight informations.
Service was a hot meal italian style and twice time free drinks.
Hot meal:
Sundowner:
Approach was real stunning, along the coastline and the runway, a low level sharp right turn and further with all the lights from Santa Cruz beneath me for touchdown on the 2777 meter long runway 05. Remember, no ILS here at FNC!.
A short taxi, parked on the apron in front off the terminal building and self service to the entrance.
A quick passport control, my bag was also fast. I've decided to go on the terrace for a nightly plane picture, but it was to low in quality for posting here.
Only five minutes by taxi to my hotel, the Vila Gale Santa Cruz, a newly built, modern designed and real recommendable accomodation, also for our aircraft
enthusiasts special needs. There was a perfect view from the hotel pool area to all approaching planes. A picture will follow in the second report.
Flying BA was ok, not an especially friendly crew, but a special aircraft on these intra European routes.
TAP was also ok, the FA´s a bit lower friendly than average, no airshow, but legroom and comfort was ok.
Both flights ontime, reasonable priced.
Will I finally catch the ATP and what about the, as usual, non direct way back home to STR?.
Something more will be online soon!.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10278 times:
HI Markus
congrats with the B763! Good choice!
Also in my log 3 times now... so we're same level
I have seen TP's A319 from inside with grey leather seats, probably the A320's spot a different interior, since you got on fabric seats. Good meal for the flight, but stupid to see such a difficult/impossible checkin system. Not good, since they're in Star Alliance.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): Will I finally catch the ATP and what about the, as usual, non direct way back home to STR?.
I know the answer already... but let's see what the future reports will bring here
Gruß
Eric
PS - any good flights for you to CPH?
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1581 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10238 times:
Hi Markus,
Good to read from your hand again! Sure a nice report for a Satruday morning!
What we enthousiasts do to get on a certain plane. Dashing through the snow, to avoid flying an 319 and scoring the 763. ( still missing from my log ). FRA looked quite down with the rain ad bad weather!
rwy18 is my least favorite rwy at FRA, from the other rwy's you can see more of the ncie airport lay-out. It is no secret that I have a special feeling with FRA
Also nice to spot the EK 380, one day you will probably be flying such a machine also
TP looked quite ok, nothing spectaculair,except for that they are not covered too often here on a.net. So again you have managed a nice routing, and therefore I'm already looking forward to the next episode!
Cheers,
Joost (D-ALCE)
flown on : F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,319,320,321,AB6. Next flights AMS-ZRH-AMS on
DunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 610 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10172 times:
The BA763 is always a pleasure to fly short haul. Its a shame they are looking so worn inside these days and that they dont have the leather seating throughout the whole cabin.
FLIEGER67 From Turkey, joined Sep 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10160 times:
Hey, Matt,
thanx for your reply.
Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 7): The BA763 is always a pleasure to fly short haul.
Definitelly!.
Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 7): Its a shame they are looking so worn inside these days and that they dont have the leather seating throughout the whole cabin.
True, that fabric seats looked something worn out.
Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 7): Looking forward to reading part 2!
Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10150 times:
I flew TAP to Madeira from Barcelona via Lisbon and we got a small sandwich and exactly the same cake / muffin as you did.
The legroom on the A319 was tight as far as I recall and better on the A320. Apparently landing in Madeira is spectacular but we landed at night as our flight was delayed 5 hours.
How is the weather in February? In September it was hot. It's a beautiful place not to be missed.
In 1977 a TAP 727 landed and fell down the cliff. Very dangerous airport.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6191 posts, RR: 79 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9583 times:
Servus Markus,
nice report and an interesting routing. Always nice to get a widebody, it makes a Euro trip much more interesting.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): A few minutes later I saw the nice BA colours out on the taxiway between the two parallel runways. These colours looking really good on the 767-300.
I'm not a fan of the current livery. I remember well two BA 763 flights some years ago - I had hoped to get one of the Utopia birds, but ended up on aircraft in the old Landor and the Union Flag colors...at least I was more successful with two 757s and a 777.
Awful, too much white on these birds. I will miss NWA's livery.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): Service was a hot meal italian style and twice time free drinks.
It doesn't look bad, but how was the taste?
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): Only five minutes by taxi to my hotel, the Vila Gale Santa Cruz, a newly built, modern designed and real recommendable accomodation, also for our aircraft
enthusiasts special needs. There was a perfect view from the hotel pool area to all approaching planes. A picture will follow in the second report.
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8264 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9157 times:
Hi Markus,
Good to read up on another of your trips.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): I´ve decided to fly out of FRA to catch the 763.
My last flight on this type was some ten years ago.
- Wow, considering the number of these birds in service, that is quite a time between flights.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): check-in was done online the night before, secured my preffered seat, you know, window last row
PHLstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8962 times:
Great report.
I am trying to plan a weekend trip to FNC but could not find a good hotel that was close to the airport. How would you rate where you stayed for the price you booked? It looks like online you can get a price of 59 Euro for a night. Also if you don't mind me asking how much was the taxi to the hotel? Thank you
EICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2068 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8855 times:
Hi Markus
As always an excellent trip report. Im flying to LHR on friday & im getting more excited after seeing your pics from there . Looking forward to part 2 of the report. Thanks for posting.
Dublin, where Sam Maguire will be coming home to in mid September
Globetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 377 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8263 times:
Hi there Markus,
This is yet another very nice trip report from you! Some great pictures and interesting detail. You were so lucky with the loads on the BA 767! 10% is crazy and definitely a loss making flight.
I look forward to the remaining trip reports! Keep them coming!
SAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 479 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8209 times:
Hi Markus,
Another excellent TR from you as usual! It brought back a few memories for me! My last trip on BA was on the B767, Heathrow-Oslo(Fornebu)-Heathrow 3rd & 5th June 1998 with G BNWJ & G-BNWP, my first wide bodied flights! Madiera was last visited in 1997 before the ruway was extended. The landing & take off were amazing, but probably only aviation enthusiasts would enjoy them! Possibly the nearest thing to landing & taking off from an Aircraft Carrier that you could get on a civil airliner!! Did you get chance to see the fuselage of the Nord Noratlas that was close to the airport?
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 19): A message with more details and the announced airside hotel pic is on the way to your box!.
Could you please send me the details as well Markus? Thanks! They might end up with a lot more enthusiasts staying there soon!
I think a return visit to Madiera for myself is long overdue!
Do you know when SATA are replacing the ATP's with the DHC 8's? Like you I need the ATP in my log book! I might also try to fit in a flight on their Do228 which I also still need to add!
Keep up the good work with your TR's!
FLIEGER67 From Turkey, joined Sep 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8181 times:
Hi, GT,
Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 22): This is yet another very nice trip report from you! Some great pictures and interesting detail.
Thank you.
Quoting Globetraveller (Reply 22): I look forward to the remaining trip reports! Keep them coming!
I hope all is well.
Everything ok here till now, hope, you too. And I hope that will be so in the future.
I´am looking also forward to your upcoming stories.
Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)
Next: Exploring Istanbul both ways!.
25 FLIEGER67: Hi, Dave, Thank you. Sounds like a remarkable experience. I was also there with the old runway, flying on TAP on an very classy B732, the good old tim
26 B747forever: Great TR You got some really nice pics. TAP's meal looks really good! Flew on this a/c this past December from LHR to ARN! Thank you for sharing B747f
27 FLIEGER67: Hey, Gabriel, Thank you. Yeah, read your story, but dont noticed it. Greetings, Markus (FLIEGER67)
28 Contact Air: Hi Markus, so this time Portugal and the ATP were on your to-do-list. Part 1 is again a great report with some interesting pictures. Wow, that's what
29 FLIEGER67: Hi, Christoph, Thank you. Definitelly, and sounds something weird to lease the same plane again!. Yeah, also my opinion. Think about that "I cant beli
30 Rogerbcn: Hola Markus! Tanks for this great TR again. It is nice to see that tere is some sun out there when you have such a bad weather. I also flew this BA763
31 FLIEGER67: Hola, Roger, Thank you. Definitelly with that never ending winter season this time. I will show some Madeira and Porto Santo pix with the next story.
32 Stylo777: excellent job Markus (...as always of course!) BA763 to LHR is also on my to-do list for this year. let's see when I can manage to do this. looking fo
33 FLIEGER67: Hey, Ori, Thank you. Good to read for some more BA 763 flights. Greetings, Markus (FLIEGER67)
34 SandroZRH: hey Markus it has been a while since i read one of your TRs, as ive been real busy. However now that i finally found the time to look into your new TR
36 Infodesk: Hi Markus, It looks like I have some reading to catch up on Judging by the weather in FRA, it seems a trip to Madeira was an excellent idea. And getti
37 FLIEGER67: Hey, Hannah, really nice to read your reply. For sure! Well, it smells not bad!. The coastline mostly visible. And me, looking forward to some nice an
38 Channex101: Just being petty... but there would have been a legal minimun of 8 F/A's so you didnt see the other two i assume, and if it was 100% full almost, the
39 FLIEGER67: Hey, Channex101, Thanks for the information. It seems that nice girl seating next to me was not that good for my attention into the number of FA´s. G