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Part 3 Saudi-Cali: American Airines Eco JFK-LAX  
User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15141 times:

Hello and thank you for reading this trip report outlining my journey from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to Los Angeles, California, USA. I’ve broken it up into three parts – this is part 3 about my trip from New York to LAX on American Airlines.


After a delightful 1.5 days in New York – which is by far the most urbanised place I have ever been to in my life – it was time to take my final leg home to LAX.

As a oneworld emerald member, the choice of what airline to fly on between New York and Cali was a simple one. Besides, what other airline offered the simple pleasure of flying coast to coast on a classic widebody?

Wanting to reach California early in the day, I opted for the 9am departure out of JFK on American Airlines flight 1. I thought I should get to the airport around 7am to give myself plenty of time. I spoke to the concierge at my hotel, who suggested leaving midtown Manhattan around 6am! This required a 5:30am wakeup, which proved quite difficult since I arrived home from a night out in Pearl River/Nyack, NY at 2am.

Checking out of the hotel at 10 minutes to 6 in the morning, I hopped into a cab and asked the driver to take to the airport. Here is a shot of the street at that hour of the day (I am hating myself for the rotation…):

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/408.jpg

The driver was Egyptian from Alexandria, so we started talking in Arabic. I noticed that he was taking some side streets. By 6:20am, we were already at Terminal 8 in JFK. I told him in Arabic that I was impressed in how quickly we had arrived, and that the hotel thought it would take 1 hour! He said “khames di2ayeh ma3aye” in his Egyptian accent, which means 5 minutes with me.

Here is the kerb side at T8 at JFK:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/409.jpg

Since I had my British Airways Gold Card, I used the First/Business class check in area. I handed over my passport and reservation details and got back a blue coloured boarding pass which said “EMERALD” and “PREMIUM AACCESS” on it and specified that I would be sitting in seat 32J. I wonder if AA will ever get tired of AAdding an A to everything. I think it’s kind of lAAme.

I wanted to credit my miles to my AAdvantage (there we go again) AAccount, however this would mean that I wouldn’t get Premium AAccess and it means that I would to pay for all my checked bags as opposed to just paying for the third one. So I erred on the side of saving some money.

Security was a breeze with my Premium AAccess boarding pass and by 6:45am I had already settled in the Admiral’s lounge (why don’t they call it the AAdmirals lounge?)

I wasn’t super impressed by the lounge but thought that the décor was pretty reasonable even if the selection of food and drinks was considerably substandard compared to international lounges.

I grabbed a bagel and some cereal nonetheless:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/411.jpg

After breakfast I walked around a bit to get acquainted with the lounge. There are two TV areas where most of the passengers were sitting (Americans can’t do without TV, I guess!). Here is a misrotated photo:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/412.jpg

There was also a bar at the far end, a business centre in the corner, and a separate lounging area which looked quite comfortable. Here is the lounging area:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/416.jpg

I took the liberty of taking a couple of shots out the window:

AA 767-300 pulling up to the gate:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/413.jpg

Venerable old American Airlines A300-600 arriving. Too bad this aircraft is going to be removed from the AA fleet – the AB6 is the only AA mainline aircraft I haven’t travelled on yet and likely won’t (sorry for the glare):

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/415.jpg

I heard that Admirals clubs offer showers, so I went up to the lounge supervisor and asked her what that was about. She said that she could accommodate a shower for me whenever I was ready. I said that I would just like to have a look but not have a shower. To my surprise, I found that they offer complete shower suites not too different than what you would find at the Elemis/Molton Brown spas at Heathrow. More importantly, this reinforced my view that Emirates’ shower stalls for First Class were substandard.

Eventually I got tired of the lounge and decided to go to the gate and wait there. We were using gate 12 this morning.

I struck up a bit of conversation with a Jewish gentleman who had an accent similar to that of the Rabbi who counsels Elaine from Seinfeld. Moments later, boarding began.

American Airlines
Flight Number: AA 1
Origin: New York John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), Terminal 8
Destination: Los Angeles International Airport (LAX), Terminal 4
Departure time: 9:00am (scheduled), 9:35am (actual)
Arrival time: 12:15pm (scheduled), 12:05pm (actual)
Flight time: 5h 30m
Aircraft: Boeing 767-223ER
Registration: N338AA (delivered to AA in December 1987)
Cabin: Economy
Seat: 32J


The AA staff began boarding with First Class passengers seated in rows 2 and 3, and then moved to business class. Then came Platinum, Executive Platinum and Sapphire (which I assumed included me).

On the jetway leading to the plane, I noticed that the aircraft operating this morning’s flight to Los Angeles would be N338AA, a Boeing 767-223ER delivered to AA in December 1987 (I assume it was delivered as a -223 instead of an ER, but not sure).

I walked through the plane and noticed that the First Class cabin had already been reupholstered with the blue seat covers instead of the old brown ones, and the business class cabin had the new light grey seat covers. As miserable as Economy was, Business Class didn’t exactly look that much better so I was glad that I hadn’t paid any more money for that.

I made my way to my seat (32J) and put my jacket in the overhead bin. I snapped a couple of pictures of my seat and the row:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/417.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/418.jpg

Boarding was complete around 8:50am and the plane was basically 100% full. The flight attendants made an announcement to the effect that the overhead bins are shared space, and that passengers with two items should be courteous enough to put one item under the seat in front of them. A far, far, far cry from passenger behaviour on flights in the Gulf, that is for sure!

Unfortunately the weather conditions at JFK this morning were quite foggy, so we joined a massive queue of aircraft waiting to depart. One of the 4 runways was also out of service, so it wasn’t actually until 9:35am that we were airborne. The classic 767 climbed to altitude very quickly.

Here’s a shot out the window:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/424.jpg

Unfortunately, travelling domestically in the USA is not a particularly luxurious experience. I had fairly low expectations for this flight, all of which were met:

Personal TV screens: not applicable
Meal service: not applicable (BOB only)
Beverage service: once in 6 hours
Snack service: not appicable (BOB only)

Contrast that to the middle seat, where you get a full meal with two choices on the Riyadh to Dubai flight which is only 1 hour and a half. To make this a real apples to apples comparison, compare it to a domestic flight within Saudi Arabia – Jeddah to Dammam (west to east coast of Saudi) which is about 1 hour and 50 minutes. Again, you get a hot meal…and the ticket price wouldn’t be more than $150 roundtrip. I had paid $324 roundtrip for my 6 hour each way transcon.

I was however, impressed with one thing – I had travelled on Delta from Tampa to Los Angeles in July 2008 and found that they don’t provide blankets and pillows for that flight (737-800). On American, however, pillows and blankets were on each seat upon boarding.

I noticed an internet guide in my seat pocket and found that AA offer an internet service on the flight. Since the brochure didn’t mention price, I decided to open up my laptop and follow the directions just to see how much it cost even though I was more than happy to be away from the net for 6 hours.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/421.jpg

Total cost only $12.95 for the whole flight. Not bad at all!

Eventually the cabin crew came around with the drinks service and I had a free glass of water:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/422.jpg

I got chatting with my seatmate, who was a computer consultant from Nyack, NY visiting her friend in Southern California. I had been in Nyack the previous evening for the Orangetown Democratic Town Hall meeting. She was shocked and impressed that someone who had never been to New York before ended up in her little village.

The rest of the flight was fairly uneventful. It was long and boring. There were a few girls in their early 20s sitting behind me who talked in a loud voice and giggled non-stop throughout the whole flight. There was an Israeli woman across the aisle from me who looked like she was about to strangle the girls behind me (I was almost at that point as well. Even with my iPod I was unable to drown them out completely).

I attempted the “easy” sudoku at the back of American Airlines’ magazine but I wasn’t able to complete it before we landed. Some movie with Jennifer Aniston was playing on the main screen, but I didn’t feel like watching it.

Here’s a cabin shot – this could be a photo from the 1980s. The only thing that gives it away are the Bose headphones of the passenger in the foreground:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/425.jpg

I got bored so I took a shot of myself:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/426.jpg

I noticed that the safety card was generic for the 767 type and did not distinguish between the -200 and -300. Notice how the overwing exits are indicated in a dotted line and it says “-300 only”

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/427.jpg

Eventually, we began our approach to LAX. Somehow we were coming towards LAX from the South and when I looked out the window I saw that we were overflying Ontario airport. We continued flying north and then made a sweeping left turn over downtown to aim for the southern runways at LAX.

I noticed that there was an Air Canada A320 (or something like that) very close to us. I thought it was extremely peculiar that a flight from Canada would also be approaching from the south, but then I realised that it must have been coming from YYZ or YUL instead of YVR.

We flew close to the AC A320 the whole time during the approach, and I guess when we turned left to line up with LAX the Canadian aircraft must have flown a bit north to line up with the 24’s.

Can you make it out in this photo?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/431.jpg

A shot of the 767 wing on approach (never noticed how far the flaps extend! The flap track fairings are almost pointing straight down!):
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/435.jpg

Landing on 25L:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/airliban/May%202009/436.jpg

Unfortunately, even though we had arrived early, another aircraft was occupying our gate so we didn’t actually make it onto stand until about 12:25pm.

In conclusion, I can’t really say that I enjoyed the flight because there was not much to enjoy. I think this is just what air travel in the USA is like these days. Sad but true. Too bad QF doesn’t have 5th freedom rights between LAX and JFK.

Having anticipated that there would be nothing to eat on my flight, I had asked my parents to bring me a ham and cheese sandwich from home, and sure enough as soon as we collected my bags and went to the car, I saw that my parents had already prepared it for me.

Light traffic on the 405 freeway that afternoon, and I made it home by 10 minutes to 2pm, there ending a journey which had started on Tuesday of that week in Riyadh.

Thanks for reading!

Airliban


PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

Here are the links to the other reports:

Part 1: Saudi Airlines flight 552 – Riyadh to Dubai on a 777 in Eco
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/148031/

Part 2: Emirates flight 201 – Dubai to New York on an A380 in First
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/148032

Part 3: American Airlines flight 1 – New York to LAX on a 767 in Eco
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/148033



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Nice TR

The pics are really good.

Well, at least CO offers a free meal, on my last flight on CO from LAX to EWR they made 3 rounds of soft drinks also for free!


Thank you for sharing

B747forever



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

The whole report from A to Z was fantastic. Thank you for spending so much time doing the 3 reports. However AA trip seemed depressing and sad.

When I was your age I flew on a TWA B747 in First Class from Paris to JFK. They also had a lounge. But it was nothing compared to what F is today on Emirates. Fantastic progress.


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14678 times:

Loved the report and how you inject small personal stories into each one of them instead of drowning us with useless facts and figures  Smile

Cheers

TUNisia



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14479 times:

Excellent reports! Well done!

Am flying to RUH from DXB later this month...it's never a fun trip :P



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14473 times:

Whoa.....what a contrast from the sheer indulgence on the EK A380 to the very mediocre product and service on the AA 767!

Nice TR though!

- Vivek


User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14110 times:

When I flew AA from MIA-LAX this past March (also on a 767), the buy on board option included a hearty sandwich and lots of great snacks. For about $10-$15, you can enjoy a decent meal on a US domestic flight, depending on the carrier, of course. You got a great fare for the NY-LA sector. With fares so low, its no surprise AA can't afford to give all 250 pax a free meal.

As I found out while living in Bahrain last summer, the Middle Eastern governments subsidize everything from gas to food in order to keep the cost of living low. I imagine those cheap domestic fares in Saudi Arabia are unrealistic and may not reflect true costs as in the West.



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13848 times:

Strange to see AA A300 planes at LAX....does anyone know the Route Network for the A300's in LAX? I thought AA only used those aircrafts from JFK/MIA to the carribbean and South America.


Prepare for take-off.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6747 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12660 times:

Hi Airxliban,

great third part - however, quite disappointing to see what you get on such a long domestic sector in these days.

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
Besides, what other airline offered the simple pleasure of flying coast to coast on a classic widebody?

Good argument.

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
I think it’s kind of lAAme.

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Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
On the jetway leading to the plane, I noticed that the aircraft operating this morning’s flight to Los Angeles would be N338AA, a Boeing 767-223ER delivered to AA in December 1987 (I assume it was delivered as a -223 instead of an ER, but not sure).

No, delivered as an -ER model.

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
Eventually the cabin crew came around with the drinks service and I had a free glass of water:

How generous...  Wink

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
There were a few girls in their early 20s sitting behind me who talked in a loud voice and giggled non-stop throughout the whole flight. There was an Israeli woman across the aisle from me who looked like she was about to strangle the girls behind me (I was almost at that point as well. Even with my iPod I was unable to drown them out completely).

If nothing else helps, you could ask a simple question: "Hey, do you also hear that strange noise coming from the right engine?  Wink


PH



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12335 times:
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Great report & pix!

Good to see standards have not dropped on AA's service  Smile

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, travelling domestically in the USA is not a particularly luxurious experience. I had fairly low expectations for this flight, all of which were met:

- Good job uou knew not to expect much, it's such a far cry from good old days  Sad

Quoting SkyHigh777 (Reply 8):
Strange to see AA A300 planes at LAX....does anyone know the Route Network for the A300's in LAX? I thought AA only used those aircrafts from JFK/MIA to the carribbean and South America.

- The picture would have been taken @ JFK, AA don't fly the A300 to LAX.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Airxliban, Excellent TR as usual.  I enjoyed all 3 of your reports!CO7e7

User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11796 times:



Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
The driver was Egyptian from Alexandria, so we started talking in Arabic. I noticed that he was taking some side streets. By 6:20am, we were already at Terminal 8 in JFK. I told him in Arabic that I was impressed in how quickly we had arrived, and that the hotel thought it would take 1 hour! He said “khames di2ayeh ma3aye” in his Egyptian accent, which means 5 minutes with me.

Haha! I love meeting compats in the most random of places!

Great TR!
It's nice to see US domestic TRs done just after an intercontinental flight in EK F. Thanks for the great read.


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11703 times:
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I miss the full service on the 3 class flights across the country with AA. They're long gone and will never return to that magical state imho. BOB meal only on a 6 hr flight? Gimme a break.  no 

User currently offline777Daedalus From Brazil, joined Oct 2005, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11599 times:

AirX,

Where is the classic arrival pic of you with your dog?  Smile

Excellent TR. Keep them coming! Any BA sectors recently?

Cheers

Daedalus


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

Again, great report as always.

Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, travelling domestically in the USA is not a particularly luxurious experience. I had fairly low expectations for this flight, all of which were met:

Personal TV screens: not applicable
Meal service: not applicable (BOB only)
Beverage service: once in 6 hours
Snack service: not appicable (BOB only)

I recently had the pleasure of flying Virgin America from coast to coast and all I can say is I am more than willing to forget about my Skyteam or Star Alliance miles. They are absolutely worth the extra effort to fly.

However I got to give credit where credit is due, Continental still offers free hot food at meal times on coast to coast flights and 95% of the time the crew on CO do multiple drinks services. CO is also in the process of installing PTV's on the domestic narrow body fleet. Maybe you should try them out next time if you want to experience a decent product domestically.

SR 103


User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11389 times:



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 15):
I recently had the pleasure of flying Virgin America from coast to coast and all I can say is I am more than willing to forget about my Skyteam or Star Alliance miles. They are absolutely worth the extra effort to fly.

I cannot agree more. I just flew Virgin America IAD-LAX-IAD and the crew was WONDERFUL (One of them even got me completely wasted in the back galley for free as I spoke with him for about 3 hours during the flight). The crew was constantly doing drink runs and answering people's order requests (since you can order drinks/food on the PTV). Definitely an airline worth trying. AND, no baggage fees! Can't get any better than that.



Prepare for take-off.
User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11330 times:



Quoting SR 103 (Reply 15):
Beverage service: once in 6 hours

That's pretty bad, especially considering AA doesn't offer a complimentary meal service. What do the crew do!? Don't they get bored in the back galley?? Even with United back when I used to fly them pretty frequently on the JFK-LAX-JFK runs the crew would do at least 4 or 5 drink runs plus the usual 2 full runs with the cart on those sectors. But truth be told out of my 8 flights with American, none of them have been noteworthy, with 3 of them being downright horrible. I avoid them any chance I can in the US, which is thankfully pretty easy to do.



Keep Discovering
User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11181 times:



Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter):
the AB6 is the only AA mainline aircraft I haven’t travelled on yet and likely won’t (sorry for the glare):

You are not missing much, in my view.

Supper report (all three parts) !


User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10179 times:

Thanks all for the comments!!

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 7):
When I flew AA from MIA-LAX this past March (also on a 767), the buy on board option included a hearty sandwich and lots of great snacks. For about $10-$15, you can enjoy a decent meal on a US domestic flight, depending on the carrier, of course. You got a great fare for the NY-LA sector. With fares so low, its no surprise AA can't afford to give all 250 pax a free meal.

I flew back to JFK from LAX about 10 days ago on AA and I did notice that they were selling food as well. In fact the sold out completely! I should have tried something. I agree that the situation in the US has become such that they just cant afford to offer such goodies and still compete.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
If nothing else helps, you could ask a simple question: "Hey, do you also hear that strange noise coming from the right engine? Wink

Good one! I'll try it next time!

Quoting 777Daedalus (Reply 14):
Where is the classic arrival pic of you with your dog? Smile

Hehe...forgot to do it. Will get a shot with her next time!

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 15):

I recently had the pleasure of flying Virgin America from coast to coast and all I can say is I am more than willing to forget about my Skyteam or Star Alliance miles. They are absolutely worth the extra effort to fly.

I ought to give them a shot...i will probably be flying LAX-SEA later this year so could try them then. Thanks for the advice!



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offline1stClassDiva From Australia, joined May 2009, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

Loved all three of your reports. You have a really warm, easy to read writing style.

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