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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
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Last week I paid a visit to Airliners.net member Falstaff to see his Falstaff beer shrine. Also visit the world’s best auto manufacturer headquarters and museums. That is the Ford motor company of course.

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This was my first time flying US Airways and I’ve always heard nothing but bad stories about this airline. At $160 roundtrip, the ticket was hard to pass up. Plus it’s now a member of Star Alliance so I figure things have improved.
Check in here in San Francisco was perfect.
The two absolutely gorgeous gate agents were very kind in changing my middle seat back in row 21 to a window seat, 8F.
(damn I wish I could have snapped a photo just for my own private collection)
I wasn’t able to get a window seat online without paying extra. So I figured sweet talking a gate agent would work much better and it did.
(Superfly’s charm always works)

The flight was great and left on time. Excellent service, friendly flight attendants and their $7.00 meal was good. I hate to say it but their cheese was just as good as the cheese on Wisconsin based Midwest Airlines.
I was scheduled to have a 1.5 hour layover in Philadelphia so I was looking forward to maybe having a Philly cheese steak somewhere in one their restaurants in the main terminal.

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We land in Philadelphia on time and then we sat, and sat, and sat…….
That is where the problems began.   mad 
We sat on the tarmac for 20 minutes before the captain tells us that there were no open gates due to construction and our wait would be at least another 25 minutes.
At that point, passengers were getting extremely frustrated and were getting up and running to the lavatories. The flight attendants were running up & down the aisle begging people to stay in their seats and citing FAA rules.. Passengers were literally playing chicken with the flight attendants. As one person ran out of the lavatory, another passenger would jump up and run in and a flight attendant would chase after them and bang on the door begging them to get out. This game of chicken went on all the way until we pulled in to the gate.
While passengers and flight attendants were playing chicken, I called US Airways toll free 800 number on my cellular phone asking if I’d make my connecting flight to Detroit. I was told “maybe”.   Wow!
At this point, I only had 10 minutes to get to my connecting flight to Detroit. Since it was on a little CRJ, it was in the commuter plane terminal (terminal F) which was clear across the airport and required a shuttle bus.
So now I am running across the entire airport like O.J. Simpson in a Hertz rental car commercial to the shuttle to terminal F.
Once I get to the shuttle station, luckily the bus was there boarding passengers.
That bus driver must have had severe depth perception!
First of all, he crawled and was literally riding the brake pedal at about 3-4 MPH.
On about 5 or 6 occasions, he’d slam on the brakes if an aircraft landed, pushed back or if even a bird flew by hundreds of yards away!
The ride to terminal F took about 10 minutes even though it couldn’t have been more than a 1600ft. journey.
I jump off the bus in the hopes of getting to gate F24 for my flight to Detroit.
There was no sign of life at gate F24. It was as if there wasn’t a scheduled flight in hours.
I ask the nearest US Airways employee in sight and ask what the hell is going on.
I was told that the flight had been reassigned to gate F9.
So here I am again running through the terminal from gate F24 to gate F9.
No aircraft parked at F9.
Luckily the flight was late.
The departures screen showed the Detroit flight as ‘on time’. Obviously it wasn’t.
I simply asked the lady at the gate about the flight to Detroit and she told me; “the plane hasn’t arrived yet and we don’t know when it will get here”.

About 15 minutes later, a few people from the previous flight I was on from SFO started to trickle in. They were totally at ease and I talked to them about the delay to Detroit. They all told me that this happens all the time and that they don’t even bother reading the US Airways timetable anymore because it’s always delayed.
WOW!   Wow!

40 minutes later, our plane comes in. Luckily the CRJs have a short turn around time. We all board quickly and immediately push back. Only to sit on the tarmac for OVER 1 HOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Light winds coming in from the east totally screws up traffic at PHL and only 1 runway was used. There were 20 aircraft ahead of us for take off.

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Long line for take off at PHL



The sole flight attendant onboard was amazing and kept a fully loaded CRJ with angry people calm and offered free beverages while we were taxiing for over an hour. Unfortunately according to FAA rules, alcohol can only be served while airborne, so no Heineken for me.
Meanwhile, this old lady next to me is blabbing on about how sexy she used to be back in the 1960s and name-dropping names I’ve never heard of.
Eventually we took off and by this time, I forgot what city I was visiting.
Finally we landed in Detroit and just when I though it s was over, more problems.
The jetway was broken and we had to SIT EVEN LONGER on this CRJ until the problem was fixed.
That took about 20 minutes.
At this point, I am thinking that I should have paid an extra $200 to get the non-stop SFO flight on Northwest/Delta but I swore that I’d never patronize Delta after the takeover of Northwest Airlines.




Finally I arrive in Detroit, Michigan and Falstaff was already there waiting.
At this point, I had been flying for 9.5 hours and only had that snack pictured above.
I certainly could have used a treat at this point.
Thank goodness there was a White Castle’s near the airport!
I treated myself to 10 White Castle’s cheeseburgers, large sack of French fries and plenty of beer at Falstaff’s house.

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Heaven is a place on earth! 



Next day I drive out to Ann Arbor, Michigan to just check it out. Typical college town and I was expecting to see a bunch of leftist radicals like in Berkeley but I didn’t. I found Ann Arbor to be rather stuffy and preppy. People were still very nice though. I stopped at a coffee shop and had a good conversation with one of the workers there about coffee as I am one of those coffee snobs from San Francisco. During our conversation I accidentally got the two big Michigan universities mixed up and said; “go Spartans!”.
Boy did I get an earful!
I damn near had to pull out my California driver’s license to defuse and potentially deadly situation!

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My guess is that this is where all the professors in Ann Arbor live.
Nothing like driving a luxurious Lincoln Town Car down a treeline street in the rain.



Later on that day after Falstaff got off work, we drive in to the mean streets of Detroit to one of their premier barbecue / brewery spots. The place was Slows Barbecue and damn, they make some incredible ribs as well as macaroni & cheese! There macaroni & cheese was in my dream last night!

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Me & Falstaff downed several of their different brews.
After having some of the finest ribs in town, we walk a few doors down and what do I see?
A sign that read “L.J.’s Lounge”
My initial is L.J. so of course I had to go inside and check this place out.
What a Coincidence?
If I owned a lounge, it would look similar to this.
Sort of a dive bar but still has it's charm. Down to earth, friendly bartender, friendly people and totally unpretentious.
I had about 5 Bacardi 151’s and Pabst Blue Ribbon chasers.


How can you not like a place with a Champale sign, simulated wood panels and a chandelier?!?!

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L.J.'s has mirrored disco columns.
Mirrored disco balls are so cliché. You gotta love the aquarium too!

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I felt like I owned this place!  

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The following night, Falstaff took me to the Slovene American club.
There were drank with a lot of proud UAW members, Slovenians and those who are interested in their culture & customs as well as listen to some great accordion players.
Meet some really interesting people and all have stories to tell.

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That guy is the 'Superfly' of the Slovene American club.  




The following day, Falstaff took me out to the Chrysler museum.
That was really neat to see. I was glad to see the many beautiful Chrysler’s throughout the years. Even though their museum was heavily weighted towards the muscle car era, I was glad to see a gorgeous 1986 Chrysler Lebaron Town & Country Convertible.
One of the most beautiful cars ever made!
I wanted one of these for years but eventually ended up getting a 1987 model.
Unfortunately, these little 4-cylinder turbocharged front-drive cars were problematic and very unreliable.

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Yes I know I have a very unhealthy infatuation with these 1980s Chrysler K-cars.   

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My K-car helped build this building.

AMC Eagle SX/4
The world’s only 4-wheel drive pony/sports/performance car.
After humiliating a Celica, 280Z or BMW 320i, you can go off road and avoid the cops with this beauty.

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AMC AMX
Glad to see AMC representation as well.



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Roadrunner




Unfortunately, the 1970s luxury sedans were not featured at the Chrysler museum and the closest representation was a heavily modified, sport oriented Chrysler Cordoba. I was really disappointed that they would display a model with aftermarket rims.
SHAME!
It’s only attribute was the silver Corinthian leather seats.

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Glad to see they had a Desoto with a turntable.
One of the few auto manufactures to offer a turntable back in the 1950s & early 1960s.

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Caught an early spy drawing of what would become the Chrysler Lebaron 1987 – 1995.

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After the Chrysler museum, we visited DTWclipper.
His house is an aviation museum in its own right.
He should charge admission.
I was impressed with the Branniff International, Air France, Air New York and other vintage airline memorabilia from the Grand Years of air travel.

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Me, DTWclipper and Falstaff


DTWclipper, thanks again for the invite!
Had a wonderful time!


After hanging out with DTWclipper, I had to pay my respect to the Ford Motor Company’s Wixom plant.
This factory made the very best cars (IMHO) in the world from 1957 to 2007.
This plant made my car as well as the Lincoln Mark II, Mark IV, Mark V, Mark VI, VII, Mark VIII, Continental, Town Car, LS, Ford Thunderbird and Ford GT.
The plant is still owned by Ford and could possibly reopen again when the economy turns around.


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Me & Falstaff went out to Willow Run airport but there was no flights coming in or going out. Just a few parked DC-9s.

Checked out a Detroit Tiger’s baseball game against the Cleveland Indians.

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After that, we took off to the Great White North…err…South to Windsor.
One of the few places where you go ‘south’ to Canada.


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Proof that the grass IS greener on the other side.  



We poked our nose around an adjacent airport hangar at Windsor (YQG).
Saw an old Avro 683 Lancaster X. bomber.
Luckily there was a guy there kind enough to give us a tour of the facility and even let us get inside of the Avro 683 Lancaster X bomber. His organization was in the process of restoring this beauty.

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After that, headed over to the Kildare House and had a fine dinner with some great Canadian beers. (I can’t remember what I drank but it was good).


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The biggest highlight of this visit to Detroit was the Henry Ford Museum.
As a loyal Ford, Mercury Lincoln aficionado, this was my Mecca.
Dearborn is full of Grand Marquis, Town Cars, Thunderbirds, LS, Mustangs and other fine vehicles that wear the blue oval.
The Henry Ford Museum was amazing!
We spend 4 hours there and I feel as though I we didn’t see enough.
I really liked a lot of the era specific artifacts at the Henry Ford Museum.




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Me and the Oscar Meyer wienermobile.



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As an 8track tape collector, I was especially fascinated by this 8track display. I happen to know the contributor to this display from 8trackheaven.com

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Had some time to watch some TV too.  


One thing that really annoyed me was that the information on the Presidential limousines was inaccurate.
What they had listed as the ‘Reagan’ limousine was actually the Nixon, Ford, Carter limousine.
It was a 1972 Lincoln Continental which had the 1977 facelift. Different front-end grille and taillights. In 1982, Reagan received a Cadillac Fleetwood limousine.
As an owner of a 1977 Lincoln Continental Town Car and a fan of Jimmy Carter, I will certainly have issue with this.

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This is the CARTER limousine.
Not the actor who followed him.

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Also the Eisenhower limousine was incorrect. It was actually a Harry Truman era limousine. The only Presidential limousine that was accurate was Franklin Delano Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy’s limousines.


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While in Detroit, I had a tour of the many ruins of this once great city.
I am still shock to see how the many abandoned homes, factories, buildings and vacant lots are left to decay.
It is truly a sad site to see.
How can this happen in one of the richest counties in the world?
The most shocking was Brush Park, vacant lots east of downtown Detroit, old Packard plant and the Detroit Michigan Railway Central Depot.
You truly have to see it to believe it.
I really hope Detroit can make a turn around.
I’ve seen more abandoned buildings in Detroit than in Havana and Moscow combined.
Sad to think that Bagdad & Kabul will probably redevelop before Detroit will.

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Old Packard plant that closed in 1955.


A few random but interesting sites in the greater metro Detroit area.

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Mykonos Coney Island restaurant in Taylor, Michigan has better Greek gyros than in Mykonos, Greece. SERIOUSLY!
Their fiery saganaki was incredible too!


I’ll let your imagination run wild with these two photos.

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Driving Falstaff’s 1948 International FarmAll tractor.


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Flight back to San Francisco via Phoenix was good.
I had an entire row to myself on their A320.
Laid out and fell asleep.
Woke up in Phoenix.
Connected on my flight to San Francisco on an A319.
We arrive on time.
…..and again, we sit, and sit, and sit, and sit!
We sit for 45 minutes here in San Francisco just waiting for a gate.
At this point, I consider US Airways as the San Francisco MUNI of the skies.
Totally unreliable and guaranteed to be late.
That’s four segments in one trip and only ONE segment goes flawless (DTW-PHX)
That is a failure rate of 75%!
As a result, I decided to bite the bullet and spend $45 on a taxi cab back home rather than spend 2.5 hours on the US Airways version of a bus system (San Francisco’s MUNI) to go just 10 miles from SFO to my place here in the city.


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[Edited 2009-05-11 06:07:53]


Bring back the Concorde
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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13684 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Luckily the flight was late.

It's US Airways; it's expected.  duck 

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
We sat on the tarmac

Taxi-way?  rotfl 

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I treated myself to 10 White Castle’s cheeseburgers

Goodness!  eyepopping 

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
That guy is the 'Superfly' of the Slovene American club.

Did you get a dance with the blonde?

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Checked out a Detroit Tiger’s baseball game against the Cleveland Indians.

Lucky guy!

Fantastic report! Extremely detailed. Great photos. Look forward to your next, Larry.  airplane 


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

How much controld did Usairways have over the delays? How much of it was the fault of the FAA? I enjoyed your report. You don't see many TRs on trips to DTW. I think it is sad what has happened to Detroit.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13496 times:

Larry,
Excellent trip report.
So you took a photo right by the Ford building and didnt even contact me.
I Like 2.5 minutes from that building. (right by the Ritz Carlton).  Smile


Anyways, Glad you had your tour and enjoyed.



Regards



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13249 times:



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 1):
It's US Airways; it's expected. duck

Now I see why they have such a bad rep.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 1):
Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I treated myself to 10 White Castle’s cheeseburgers

Goodness! eyepopping

I LOVE those things!
Too bad they aren't in California.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 1):
Did you get a dance with the blonde?

Nah I was a good boy that night. I think she already had here man squared away.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 1):
Lucky guy!

That was cool that Falstaff was able to get us tickets.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 1):
Fantastic report! Extremely detailed. Great photos. Look forward to your next, Larry.

Thanks!
I can't wait to go somewhere again too!  Smile

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 2):
How much controld did Usairways have over the delays? How much of it was the fault of the FAA?

Probably a combination of things. The US Airways staff here in San Francisco and in the air was fantastic.
Not sure if PHL is in an upscale neighborhood our not. Usually when airports are near wealthy communities, expansion is next to impossible and thus major delays when there is a change in wind patterns.
I knew one thing, I certainly wasn't going to check my bag on US Airways. I like having my bag at my destination. I almost ALWAYS carry on my bag.

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 2):
I think it is sad what has happened to Detroit.

It should be a national priority to bring Detroit back to it's glory. Running the crooks out of the city and city hall would be the first step.
I read that the Detroit city council wants to tear down that beautiful railway building!  Wow!
That is the last thing Detroit should do.

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 3):
Excellent trip report.
So you took a photo right by the Ford building and didnt even contact me.
I Like 2.5 minutes from that building. (right by the Ritz Carlton). Smile

Darn!  banghead 
I thought you lived in Lebanon!
That is what your flag is.
That would have been totally cool to hang out!
I'll be back in Detroit next January. Let's meet up then.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13224 times:

In no other country in the world would it be acceptable to eat 10 cheeseburgers in one sitting! Thats just wrong!

Good report however, even if it did cause some harm to your health!


User currently offlineWNTex From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13186 times:



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The world’s only 4-wheel drive pony/sports/performance car.

not quite - ever heard of SUBARU  duck 

Good TR. But I somehow can't decide whether to go to Detroit or not after seeing some of those depressing pics, although I'm sure the museums would make up for it.

WNTex



"The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for what you want now." -Zig Ziglar
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13137 times:



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
We land in Philadelphia on time

Seeing that you got a shot of the Commodore Barry Bridge (US 322) in your approach photo, your flight obviously landed on Runway 9R. What day did you come in? Judging from the photo, it must've been during the 9-day monsoon season the Philly area recently experienced; which probably explains why your connecting CRJ flight to DTW was delayed. Had you landed on a better weather day, I'm sure one of the local PHL spotters might've gotten a shot of your SFO plane coming in.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
We sat on the tarmac for 20 minutes before the captain tells us that there were no open gates due to construction and our wait would be at least another 25 minutes.

That's a bit odd. The only gate-related construction that I'm aware of is over at Terminal E which only serves NW and WN. US' mainline domestic gates are at B & C.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
We sat on the tarmac for 20 minutes before the captain tells us that there were no open gates due to construction and our wait would be at least another 25 minutes.
At that point, passengers were getting extremely frustrated and were getting up and running to the lavatories. The flight attendants were running up & down the aisle begging people to stay in their seats and citing FAA rules.. Passengers were literally playing chicken with the flight attendants. As one person ran out of the lavatory, another passenger would jump up and run in and a flight attendant would chase after them and bang on the door begging them to get out. This game of chicken went on all the way until we pulled in to the gate.

If the plane was waiting that long for an available gate (especially a transcon), I'm surprised the pilot didn't just taxi off to a remote or holding area (where passengers could then use the lavatory as needed).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Not sure if PHL is in an upscale neighborhood our not.

PHL is actually on the outskirts of Philadelphia; half of the airport property including the international terminals (A-West & A-East) area encroaches into the next county (Tinicum Township, Delaware County). The Delaware County side is essentially suburbia with commercial & small industrial development with several hotels and restaurants sprinkled around. The Philly side of the airport is all industrial and business. One has to cross either over the railroad tracks along either 84th St. and/or Island Ave. into the Eastwick section of the city or over the Schuylkill River (either via I-95 or Route 291) into South Philadelphia before one encounters a Philly neighborhood.

Too bad about your Philly delay.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13018 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 5):
Usually when airports are near wealthy communities, expansion is next to impossible and thus major delays when there is a change in wind patterns.
I knew one thing, I certainly wasn't going to check my bag on US Airways

I read an article a couple of years ago in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette where the former Manager of PHL said Usairways expanded too much in PHL because there is no political will power to expand the tarmac, and build more taxi-ways and runways. It was smart of you not to check your bag simply because you saved money.



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineB707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12959 times:

Unfortunately your experience at PHL is all too common.

Someone above attempts to defend US but the reality is you were a) held with no gate for a long time, b) given bad information on the connection (the board is often wrong), c) the ridiculous shuttle between terminals, d) craziness on the RJ to DTW.

Sorry you had the experience but yes, it's better, in my experience, to pay the extra money for DL, NW, AA, UA or CO.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12843 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 5):
In no other country in the world would it be acceptable to eat 10 cheeseburgers in one sitting! Thats just wrong!

These are very tiny cheeseburgers.
Most folks eat about 6 at a time.
After all of that flying, delays with hardly nothing to eat, I was starving and very cranky.  mischievous 
I've been to 25 countries and I have yet to visit a country that limits what you order on the menu.  Smile

Quoting WNTex (Reply 6):
not quite - ever heard of SUBARU duck

We don't talk about those silly little whined up toys Subaru makes. Big grin

Quoting WNTex (Reply 6):
I somehow can't decide whether to go to Detroit or not after seeing some of those depressing pics, although I'm sure the museums would make up for it.

Detroit is very spread out. You can easily avoid the rough parts. The museums are all in the suburbs anyway. The Ford & Chrysler museums are neat to visit.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
What day did you come in?

Wednesday, April 28th.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
That's a bit odd. The only gate-related construction that I'm aware of is over at Terminal E which only serves NW and WN. US' mainline domestic gates are at B & C.

So I guess the captain was told the wrong information.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
I'm surprised the pilot didn't just taxi off to a remote or holding area (where passengers could then use the lavatory as needed).

Nope.
The plane would move a few feet every 5 minutes or so, then stop. That added to the frustration of the flight attendants.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Too bad about your Philly delay.

Did I miss out on amy good Philly cheasesteak or hogie shops in the main terminal?

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 8):
Usairways expanded too much in PHL because there is no political will power to expand the tarmac, and build more taxi-ways and runways.

That is a shame. US Airways could be a great airline if they didn't have the continuous problem of delays at their main hub.

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 8):
It was smart of you not to check your bag simply because you saved money.

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Not to mention, I've had bad luck in the past checking in luggage. I never forget going 3 days without wearing any underwear in Palma de Mallorca, Spain when Iberia lost my luggage in New York and send it to London instead.
I've had friends & family have their suitcases stolen and never found over the years.

Quoting B707forever (Reply 9):
Someone above attempts to defend US but the reality is you were a) held with no gate for a long time, b) given bad information on the connection (the board is often wrong), c) the ridiculous shuttle between terminals, d) craziness on the RJ to DTW.

All of the above.  Sad

Quoting B707forever (Reply 9):
Sorry you had the experience but yes, it's better, in my experience, to pay the extra money for DL, NW, AA, UA or CO.

I hope United starts a non-stop between SFO and DTW.
At the moment, Northwest/Delta does it with a 757 and I think an A320.



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Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Now I see why they have such a bad rep.

Remind me to send you more 'pictures' to your yahoo.  blush 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Too bad they aren't in California.

In-N-Out my friend! I could eat 10 of those.  drool 

Still jealous about the baseball game. I've been to 20 current baseball stadiums, but haven't visited Comerica Park.

Again, great report. Enjoy how your included the vacation aspect with the details on the flights.  airplane 


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12552 times:

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 8):
I read an article a couple of years ago in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette where the former Manager of PHL said Usairways expanded too much in PHL because there is no political will power to expand the tarmac, and build more taxi-ways and runways. It was smart of you not to check your bag simply because you saved money.

Which former-DOA (Division of Aviation) Director was this... Isdell, Testa, Bouey?

The main issue with any type of expansion at PHL (regardless of carrier) is Tinicum Township. There's been a cold war between them and the DOA for decades. Things have recently became more heated and involved other Delaware County and even a few nearby towns in South Jersey over the implementation of additional take-off routings (something that involves NO construction nor airfield expansion whatsoever) by the FAA back in December of 2007; a lawsuit against the FAA was recently filed by Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) and Rob Andrews (D-NJ). Note: this lawsuit also involves similar actions over new flight paths instituted at several NYC area airports as well.

Additionally, the proposed, long-term capacity enhancement program (a plan to redesign the airfield and add a new runway, which has been discussed in past threads in the Av. section) has been met with very strong and vocal opposition not only from Tinicum but from several neighboring Delaware County towns as well.

Long story short; failed efforts to expand PHL is one area where US is not completely at fault.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
What day did you come in?

Wednesday, April 28th.

Bummer, I was working a 12-hour shift that day.  

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
That's a bit odd. The only gate-related construction that I'm aware of is over at Terminal E which only serves NW and WN. US' mainline domestic gates are at B & C.

So I guess the captain was told the wrong information.

Either that or a gate/jetway may have been down for a short-term maintenance or repair. A while back, the jetway at E2 (a NW gate) was down for short period of time.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Did I miss out on amy good Philly cheasesteak or hogie shops in the main terminal?

Most of the eateries (though not all) in the Terminal B/C marketplace (one of PHL's crown jewels) are of the chain restaurant variety. The better places for Philly cheesesteaks and hoagies (also called subs or heroes in other parts of the country) are OUTSIDE of the airport.

[Edited 2009-05-12 10:19:25]


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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12438 times:



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 11):
In-N-Out my friend! I could eat 10 of those.

In-N-Out is great but a totally different type of hamburger. In-In-Out is a larger standard size hamburger.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 11):
Remind me to send you more 'pictures' to your yahoo. blush

I'll IM you my email.

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 11):
Still jealous about the baseball game. I've been to 20 current baseball stadiums, but haven't visited Comerica Park.

It's a nice baseball park. Too bad I am not a huge sports fan to fully appreciate the game. Otherwise I'd be able to talk more about the game. W e left at the 7th inning and the game was ties at 2.




Quoting Fxramper (Reply 11):
Again, great report. Enjoy how your included the vacation aspect with the details on the flights.

Of course.
A trip report on just flying in coach on a domestic flight would be boring.  Smile

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Long story short; failed efforts to expand PHL is one area where US is not completely at fault.

That's what it sounds like. That is too bad that bureaucratic non-sense is getting in the way of a potentially good airline's ability to properly function and give quality service.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Bummer, I was working a 12-hour shift that day.

I wouldn't have been able to hang out unless you had a security clearance to get past the ticket area. I spend a total of about 7 minutes running through the airport. Then shttuled to terminal F and sat around for 45 minutes.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Either that or a gate/jetway may have been down for a short-term maintenance or repair. A while back, the jetway at E2 (a NW gate) was down for short period of time.

Same thing happen when we arrived in Detroit.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Most of the eateries (though not all) in the Terminal B/C marketplace (one of PHL's crown jewels) are of the chain restaurant variety. The better places for Philly cheesesteaks and hoagies (also called subs or heroes in other parts of the country) are OUTSIDE of the airport.

I figured that was the case. However, we can't get a good Philly cheesesteak out here in California.  Sad



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Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
It's a nice baseball park. Too bad I am not a huge sports fan to fully appreciate the game. Otherwise I'd be able to talk more about the game. W e left at the 7th inning and the game was ties at 2.

You sure aren't a baseball fan are you.... The game was 3-1 Tigers at the end of the 7th.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Mykonos Coney Island restaurant in Taylor, Michigan has better Greek gyros than in Mykonos, Greece. SERIOUSLY!

You can see my Walleye dinner in that shot. That stuff is good too. I also enjoy their lemon chicken rice soup.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
CARTER limousine.
Not the actor who followed him.

Oh Superfly....... Regan was the best! All of the cars were sort of correctly labeled by the Presidents associated with them, but I of the four presidential limos they have they have two labeled for Republicans and two for Democrats. I bet they did that as not to upset anyone.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
listen to some great accordion players.

That is a great place! Glad to hear you liked it.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
we visited DTWclipper.
His house is an aviation museum in its own right

I was really impressed.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Checked out a Detroit Tiger’s baseball game against the Cleveland Indians.

I even got Superfly into church before the game.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
(I can’t remember what I drank but it was good).

It is on the glass in the picture. I am drinking a Walkerville Lager.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Champale sign, simulated wood panels and a chandelier?!?!

That place was cool. I'll have to back. I am nextdoor all the time so I have no excuse not to go into LJ's

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I treated myself to 10 White Castle’s cheeseburgers, large sack of French fries and plenty of beer at Falstaff’s house

A meal fit for a king!

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Proof that the grass IS greener on the other side.

There is no grass on the Detroit side!

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 3):
I Like 2.5 minutes from that building. (right by the Ritz Carlton).

I live at Van Born and Inkster Road.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
I've been to 25 countries and I have yet to visit a country that limits what you order on the menu

If you find a country that limits the amount you can eat please tell us so we know not to go there.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
It’s only attribute was the silver Corinthian leather seats.

They need a statue of Ricardo Monteblan next to the Cordoba.

Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 5):
In no other country in the world would it be acceptable to eat 10 cheeseburgers in one sitting! Thats just wrong!

I have seen some Germans put away some food before. If you think Superfly eating 10 burgers is something you should see me with all you can eat crab legs. Those people at Barnacles in Daytona Beach are probably still talking about me!

That last picture has a boat nerds delight in it. That is the Edward L Ryerson. The last straight deck bulk carrier, with a US flag, on the lakes. She was also the last steam powered US flagged vessel ever built (1960). It was a real pleasure to see her. She even tooted her whistles (thats right steam whistles not air horns).

Quoting WNTex (Reply 6):
Good TR. But I somehow can't decide whether to go to Detroit or not after seeing some of those depressing pics, although I'm sure the museums would make up for it.

Come to the D.... It is fun! There is lots of cool stuff to see.

Superfly... I had a great time and you are always welcome any time. I am looking forward to hanging out at your place this summer.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The place was Slows Barbecue and damn, they make some incredible ribs as well as macaroni & cheese! There macaroni & cheese was in my dream last night!

That place is great. If anyone wants to check it out you can find Slow's on Michigan Ave just east of Vernor.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12292 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
You sure aren't a baseball fan are you.... The game was 3-1 Tigers at the end of the 7th.

Oooops! Embarrassment

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
Oh Superfly....... Regan was the best!

Yes, he was the best actor to occupy the White House.  Smile

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
That is a great place! Glad to hear you liked it.

Would like to check out the club next time I am in town.
I met a guy on the bus a few nights ago with an accordion. We hada conversation and I mention that I want to a Slovenian club in Michigan last week. He was really impressed and knew how to play that style of music on accordion.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
There is no grass on the Detroit side!

Sure about that?
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Detroit50.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Detroit2009123.jpg

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
If you find a country that limits the amount you can eat please tell us so we know not to go there.

That country called North Korea.
Those snobs that complain about American fast-food should love North Korea. Ordinary folks can't down 10 cheeseburgers in North Korea. Lots of food rationing there.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
They need a statue of Ricardo Monteblan next to the Cordoba.

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Was there a Ricardo Monteblan photo anywhere in that museum?

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
That last picture has a boat nerds delight in it. That is the Edward L Ryerson.

I forgot the name of that ship when typing up this trip report.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
That place was cool. I'll have to back. I am nextdoor all the time so I have no excuse not to go into LJ's

I was the first to review at Yelp for L.J.'s lounge.  Cool
I gave them a good plug as well as Slows.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
Superfly... I had a great time and you are always welcome any time. I am looking forward to hanging out at your place this summer.

Look forward to it and should have the Lincoln up & running by then.  Cool



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Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Sure about that?

Those are weeds, not grass.  Wink

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Those snobs that complain about American fast-food should love North Korea

The only cool thing in North Korea would be those IL-62s and that giant unfinished hotel that "doesn't exist".

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Was there a Ricardo Monteblan photo anywhere in that museum?

I have never seen one. I should suggest that next time I go there. He even shilled K cars in the 80s.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Yes, he was the best actor to occupy the White House

Being a politician is the same as being an actor, you say what other people tell you to say.  Silly



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12163 times:



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
His house is an aviation museum in its own right.
He should charge admission.
I was impressed with the Branniff International, Air France, Air New York and other vintage airline memorabilia from the Grand Years of air travel.



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):
Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
we visited DTWclipper.
His house is an aviation museum in its own right

I was really impressed.

Thanks guys, glad you were able to stop over.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12130 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Most of the eateries (though not all) in the Terminal B/C marketplace (one of PHL's crown jewels) are of the chain restaurant variety. The better places for Philly cheesesteaks and hoagies (also called subs or heroes in other parts of the country) are OUTSIDE of the airport.

I figured that was the case. However, we can't get a good Philly cheesesteak out here in California.

As far as getting a Philly cheesesteak at PHL's concerned; according to my PHL timetable (which has a listing of all the stores and eateries inside the airport), the only eatery listed the definitely serves Philly cheesesteaks is the Philly Steak & Gyro over at Concourse C.

If your inbound flight went to any of the C gates (C17 through C31), you probably passed by it when you were running to catch your shuttle (at Gate C16).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
I spend a total of about 7 minutes running through the airport.

That's about the same amount of time I had when making a tight connection over at EWR back in 2005; the connection was tight due to a ground stop-related delay (after boarding an CO ExpressJet ERJ on a PHL-EWR puddle-jumper) eating almost all of my scheduled connection layover time. I literally sprinted (w/carry-on bag in hand) from end end of the terminal to the other to catch my connecting CO flight to SEA. I was the 2nd-to-last to board. Thankfully, my checked luggage made it as well.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12054 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
If your inbound flight went to any of the C gates (C17 through C31), you probably passed by it when you were running to catch your shuttle (at Gate C16).

Oh well.  Sad
Not sure if I am willing to take another chance like that going through PHL.



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User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11793 times:



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Typical college town and I was expecting to see a bunch of leftist radicals like in Berkeley but I didn’t. I found Ann Arbor to be rather stuffy and preppy.

Its cause you probably visited after finals were over, and all the damn hippies took off for the summer. lol


Great Report though, Excellent Pics(especially the "Don't put my flag on your foreign car"bumper sticker-one of my all time favorites)

It just cracks me up that even here in the motor city there are are so many of those damn foreign cars on the road.  Sad



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11772 times:



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):

I’ll let your imagination run wild with these two photos.

Ah yes, the old exit 69 off of I-75 to Big Beaver Rd. Someone had a sense of humor. Always trips out the out-of-towners (we don't have "tourists" in Detroit).

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):

That guy is the 'Superfly' of the Slovene American club.

Nah, the chick isn't fat enough.  duck 


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11767 times:



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 20):
Great Report though, Excellent Pics(especially the "Don't put my flag on your foreign car"bumper sticker-one of my all time favorites)

Thanks. Glad you like.
When I saw that on the back of that truck, I had to take that photo next to it.

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 20):
It just cracks me up that even here in the motor city there are are so many of those damn foreign cars on the road

Nowhere near as bad it is here on the coast. Most newer cars here are imports.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Ah yes, the old exit 69 off of I-75 to Big Beaver Rd. Someone had a sense of humor.

I want to believe that it's all a coincidence.  Smile

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
(we don't have "tourists" in Detroit).

Except for weird freaks like me. Big grin

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Nah, the chick isn't fat enough. duck

LOL!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
He is the 'ladies man' of the Slovene American club.  Smile

Detroit metro is an interesting place. You were lucky to come from such a place Doc.



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User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11691 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 14):

I live at Van Born and Inkster Road.

That's not far at all.  Smile

Pm me and let me know when we can do a mini meet.


Regards.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11629 times:
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Great report & pictures.

Looks like the US flights were pretty decent, shame about the delays but they look like they are related to ATC & infrastructure more than the airline.

Had some pretty decent US flights in the past, looking forward to traveling with them again later this year.

It's really sad to see the pictures of Detroit, I sure hope that the city will turn around in the future, it holds a lot of history.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
the Chrysler museum

- Looks a cool place to visit.

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
The Henry Ford Museum was amazing!

- I can imagine, I love the blue oval too! - I drive a 2009 Mondeo Titanium X and have a 1987 Capri 2.8 in the garage  Smile, the wife has a 2008 Focus Titanium - a real Ford house  Smile

Regards

Mark



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 25, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11258 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 24):
Looks like the US flights were pretty decent, shame about the delays but they look like they are related to ATC & infrastructure more than the airline.

True.
Sad that the Philadelphia bureaucracy is the biggest burden to what appears to be a good airline.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 24):
It's really sad to see the pictures of Detroit, I sure hope that the city will turn around in the future, it holds a lot of history.

I certainly hope someone, local, statewide or nationally makes improving Detroit a priority.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 24):
a 1987 Capri 2.8 in the garage

Is this the Mustang variant?
Here in the US, the Capri was a dressed up Mustang between 1983-1986.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 24):
, the wife has a 2008 Focus Titanium - a real Ford house

Nice!  Cool



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