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NW 747-400 Tokyo To Honolulu Biz Class (pics)  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21078 times:

Hey all,

Final major trip of the summer break for me, I'm afraid. Anyhow, I had a recent one where I flew SLC-NRT and then NRT-JFK on a NW A332 and DL 772ER, respectively. I got meal pics off the flights but somehow lost them either on my camera or transferring everything to my computer. In any case, I'll do a report on my most recent trip on 2x NW 747-400's as I got pics of the Delta-style meal services this time around. It's a bit redundant to the last one, but at least I have a lot more to show this time.

As for a quick synopsis of the trip - I was just going a quick trip to Hawaii with a buddy of mine. Going to visit the beaches, get on a couple HA 717's - you know, all that stuff a.nut's do in the islands Big grin

Given how it's nearing the end of summer travel, load factors have been pretty high and have been difficult to nonrev domestically. So, I had to do the usual circus-stunt itinerary to get from point A to point B. Final itinerary for the trip:

DEN-MSP: NW 752
MSP-XNA: NW CR2
XNA-ATL: DL CR2
ATL-NRT: NW 744
NRT-HNL: NW 744
HNL-ITO: HA 717
ITO-HNL: HA 717
HNL-MSP: NW 333
MSP-FSD: NW D95
FSD-DEN: UA 733




27 July 2009
DL801, ATL-NRT, Operated by Northwest Airlines
Block Time: 13 hours, 40 minutes
747-451, N662US, ship# 6302
Seat: 78J, upper deck World Business Class

Load Factor-
Business: 50%
Coach: 80%




Since my favorite widebody of all time is the 747-400, I was hellbent on taking one both ways across the Pacific. Given the flight loads, ATL-NRT was about the only good TransPac flight on Monday the 27th. DTW, LAX, and MSP all were completely or very close to being full.

The loads on DEN-ATL on the 27th were extremely oversold, so I ended up going out to ATL the day before on Sunday the 26th. I got a room at the Days Inn right by the airport - *bad* mistake. The hotel sat near right under the departure end of the runways - I was up until a bit after midnight listening to the last of the MD88's depart as they shook the walls each time they went over.  ill 



Ship 6302 (N662US) operating ATL-NRT. I was on this exact plane on this exact route back in May  Big grin


For those of you that know the intricacies of the DL nonrev system, my buddy and I ended up each using one of our S2 flight days on the flight as there were a ton of nonrevs listed for it. With S2, we were #1 and 2 on the nonrev waitlist and were given first choice of seats, taking seats 78JK together on the top deck.



Top deck, looking forward during pre-boarding. The top deck went nearly full, with only 1 or 2 seats open.



The one reason I don't like flying on the top deck - bad vantage point for taking pictures. Next door was one of the more rare 767-300ER(G) of DL's, only 7 in the fleet.


One of the real cool things about riding top deck is the sensation of looking down on everything. That is, looking down on top of a 767, as well as most of the terminal building itself. It's quite the cool thing!!



Dual crew for the long flight - 2 CA's and 2 FO's. All four busy with preflight checks.



Looking aft on the top deck from the cockpit. Cockpit crew rest bunkroom is on the immediate right.


With ATL's longest runway shorter than 12,000 feet, the takeoff for ATL-NRT was pretty sporty, using close to the entire length. Though, given the temperatures and a relatively light pax load, we used quite the reduced thrust-setting for takeoff power.



On initial climb out from ATL


Nearly immediately after takeoff, the crew began the service for dinner, handing out the amenity kits, headsets, slippers, and taking meal choices. As usual for me, I ordered the chicken entree.

I don't have scans or pictures from the inside of the menu, so I'll just quote what it says under each picture.



Soy glazed shrimp with szechwan cucumbers - Thai chicken and coconut soup - fresh seasonal salad with water chestnuts, carrots, celery, and cashew nuts



Roasted chicken breast with creamy mushroom and mustard sauce, served with spaetzle, green beans and carrots



Dessert of seasonal fresh fruit and all natural vanilla ice cream sundae


After dinner was over, I was having quite the difficult time staying awake as I was properly exhausted from the day before, flying all over to get to ATL.



Final picture I took before falling asleep for the next 8-9 hours


On a random note, ATL-NRT is currently the longest US-NRT transpac in current operation with respect to distance. IAD-NRT and JFK-NRT, despite being shorter in distance than ATL-NRT, tend to have significantly longer blocktimes due to both typical ATC delays and the 777's cruising a good deal slower than the 744's.



Exact routing of our plane. Surprising how little water the east coast to Asia flights actually fly over. A buddy of mine has a bit of an ETOPS-phobia and I'm trying to convince him to do an international flight with me. Maybe he finally will if it's from the east coast... you know who you are  devil 



Arrival meal: glazed beef tenderloin with sesame sauce, vegetable medley and basmati rice


The arrival meal began being served about 2 hours out from NRT, so to kill the rest of the time I watched "I Love You, Man" which I found to be pretty funny. Unfortunately, I had flown NW earlier in the month on the relatively new SLC-NRT so I already knew all the movies on the AVOD lineup for July.  irked 



Descending into an overcast but extremely humid NRT



On a very long final for NRT runway 16R


Another great Pacific crossing - my absolute favorite thing to do  bigthumbsup 

Since I checked bags, I had to reclaim them in NRT then clear immigration and customs before rechecking it on the flight to HNL. Check-in, as usual in NRT, went very fast and very efficiently. Gotta love Japan!!







28 July 2009
NW30, NRT-HNL
Block Time: 07 hours, 10 minutes
747-451, N666US, ship# 6306
Seat: 9K main deck World Business Class

Load Factor-
Business: 40%
Coach: 50%




For having been to NRT ten times now, I've actually never been upstairs to the terminal 1 observation deck. I've definitely been missing out - great views from up there!!



NRT terminal 1 observation deck



757-200 ship# 5637 (N537US) operating NW1 NRT-SGN. Luckily, this flight has proven to be quite the success for NW/DL


Given the unusual light load on the flight to HNL, the agents cleared all standbys quite early, about 20 minutes before boarding. Boarding began about 15-20 minutes late but finished early anyway, given the light pax load.



View of the aft business class cabin between doors 1LR and 2LR, as seen from seats 9JK


After takeoff, the FA's began the dinner service but ended up having to secure all the galley carts and take their jumpseats due to continuous moderate turbulence for a good 10-15 minutes straight, followed by about another 45 minutes of continuous light turbulence.



Moving map view of NRT-HNL. Overwater the entire way - gotta love it.


Again, as a follow-on to my above comments about the sporty turbulence, NRT-HNL is the most dangerous route at NW in terms of on-board injuries. Given how the flight path is typically right in the jetstream, dispatch tends to file the flights directly in it to get the most favorable tail-winds enroute. The only downside to this is totally unexpected and severe turbulence, often times resulting in many and sometimes major on-board injuries.

Because of that, the meal and drink services on NRT-HNL are usually done as fast as possible so the FA's can both take their crew rest in the bunkroom and remain seated for the remainder of cruise in case of any unexpected turbulence.



Dinner service, served all in the same course due to above mentioned reasons. Delicious chicken & spinach though!


After dinner, I tried to immediately go to sleep to at least get a few decent hours of shut-eye before we hit the ground running in Honolulu.



Daylight after waking up, cruising en route NRT-HNL at FL390



Approx 1.5 hours out from HNL


Given the shortness of the flight, only 7:10 blocktime, the arrival meal was only a cold fruit plate with bread and juice.



Arrival breakfast/snack service


I finished breakfast pretty fast so I spent the rest of the time listening to some of the audio-on-demand. The new Delta playlists I'm not so much a fan of, as opposed to the old NW system of allowing you to create your own playlists.



Maneuvering around on approach into HNL. As I was on the JK window side I wasn't able to see much, unfortunately, as the AB side is lot better for the HNL approach when landing to the east


All went well on the NRT-HNL, no complaints at all really. The customs officer was a bit perplexed when my answer to the question "how long were you out of the country" was "only a few hours". After the explanation she found it pretty funny though and I didn't have any further hold up, despite HNL customs being notorious for interrogations and bag searches at the drop of a pin.

Beyond that, the rest of the HNL trip was really fun. My trips to HNL have always been really short - I'd love to be able to stay 4 or 5 nights some time.



My A330 for the flight HNL-MSP, ship# 3306 (N806NW)


As per a new Delta policy, the HNL-MSP and HNL-ATL flights now offer free hot meals in Y. I was skeptical of them having actually enacted this policy so I made sure to bring money for BOB anyway but... sure enough... there was a free hot dinner service on board. It wasn't really a half-assed dinner either, it was up to international Y dinner service standards. Quite good, I have to say!!



Menu from ATL-NRT and brand new Delta 747-400 safety card


In a quick self-gloss moment, I was ecstatic to come across that 747-400 card. At present, only one of the sixteen 747-400's in the NW/DL fleet carry the DL cards, the other fifteen carry the NW cards.

Anyhow, thanks for reading and any comments/feedback appreciated!!

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User currently offlinePhileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 20990 times:

Great Trip Report! Those DL Business meals do look quite different from NWs. Overall, great to see as many trip reports featuring NW long haul metal. I havent come across with enough time to finish my TR with NW 744 in J fram back in April. Still had NW meals*.

Thanks for sharing!


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20641 times:

Another great NW trip report! Now if I could find the time to finish and post mine. And I go again for another trip in just over two weeks!  irked  I'm running out of time!

I had to chuckle at N806NW being down there again. It seemed to be the popular A330 when I was there. And yeah, I fully agree on the meals in Y. Darn good, I say. Thank you, DL, for that!


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1934 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19923 times:

Thanks for the report and I am flying NRT-HNL in early September and your report gives me a little idea of what to expect. However I am surprised the ice-cream sundae cart is not available on the NRT-HNL segment. I understand the quick service on the late night and short NRT to HNL flight, but at least a proper dessert (a slice of cake) should be offered, instead of just a chocolate covered macadamia nut.

Thanks,
Carfield


User currently offlineSalvation From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19811 times:

You remind me of me during my college years...taking a hop during my spare time just cause it was the cool thing to do. I recall using my S2 allotments on the longer routes just so I could get BusinessElite...and they never failed! Of course back then DL was on its own and didn't include the vast network they've since acquired via NW so it's a non-revs dream come true now that DL is the world's biggest. Enjoy and keep on writing - they're good reads!

User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19249 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
Ship 6302 (N662US) operating ATL-NRT. I was on this exact plane on this exact route back in May

Hopefully you didn't get that same agent  Wink Also glad to hear the AVOD worked this time around.

I looks like the quality of the meal presentation went downhill though. How was your inter-island flight on HA? You had to sit in Y for the HNL-ATL???? Is that your first time in Y on a 744? lol



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18427 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
DEN-MSP: NW 752
MSP-XNA: NW CR2
XNA-ATL: DL CR2

I still cannot believe you did this instead of my UNDENIABLY PERFECT routing for you to get to ATL  Wink

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
The hotel sat near right under the departure end of the runways - I was up until a bit after midnight listening to the last of the MD88's depart as they shook the walls each time they went over.

I DO love being deaf sometimes.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
A buddy of mine has a bit of an ETOPS-phobia and I'm trying to convince him to do an international flight with me. Maybe he finally will if it's from the east coast... you know who you are

Asshole... Wink Hmmh, good luck getting him out there!

Good report! Thoe NRT reports never get old. Quite sad NRT is in your top Ten of destinations flown to haha. Only you would fly ATL-NRT-HNL, then again I flew STL-BOS-JFK to get to LAX. Same Diff  Wink

Alex



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17876 times:
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Hey Matt, nice itinerary that was! I'd love to fly on the 747 upperdeck! Did you manage to get on a 717?

Rgds



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17870 times:

I do love flying on 747s, but I don't get many chances.

I must say, the meal service is pretty lame compared to Continental's BF service on flights to London.
You were served sauce in a tin-foil cup? In BUSINESS class? Yeah.... not very classy.

But otherwise, looks like you had a nice trip!


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17430 times:

Wow .. great photo view of 747 cockpit.

A great flight journey to wrap up your summer break.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 17002 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
MSP-XNA: NW CR2

Hope you enjoyed your own private row...haha  Smile

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
The loads on DEN-ATL on the 27th were extremely oversold, so I ended up going out to ATL the day before on Sunday the 26th. I got a room at the Days Inn right by the airport - *bad* mistake. The hotel sat near right under the departure end of the runways - I was up until a bit after midnight listening to the last of the MD88's depart as they shook the walls each time they went over.   

Days Inn Best Road? Who needs an alarm clock?  Smile

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
I finished breakfast pretty fast so I spent the rest of the time listening to some of the audio-on-demand. The new Delta playlists I'm not so much a fan of, as opposed to the old NW system of allowing you to create your own playlists.

You can create a playlist on the DL system as well, just a little more cumbersome.



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 16979 times:

How do you like the new Biz Elite service? Take a long time to get your food? taste? Been getting a lot of mixed reviews.

User currently online76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 16760 times:

great report TR. In some reports before i read that you love cranapple juice and when i did IAH-HNL-IAH recently i gave it a try and now i am hooked on it, thanks some much for exposing me to it


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16400 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
You were served sauce in a tin-foil cup? In BUSINESS class? Yeah.... not very classy.

That's not the way it is supposed to be served. Delta provides a pictorial guide to the FAs on what each course should look like (including how the meat versus the veggies versus the potatoes, for example, should be placed on the dish); they always show the sauce already poured out onto the plate.

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 11):
How do you like the new Biz Elite service? Take a long time to get your food? taste? Been getting a lot of mixed reviews.

Takes some time for the FAs who are new to the service to get into the rhythm. I have been flying DL BizElite for years now and the no-tray restaurant style service did take a long time in the beginning. After the FAs get the hang of it, it can usually be accomplished within about 2 to 2.5 hours (I have had 4 Transatlantic BE flights in the past 2 weeks and none of the full dinner/lunch service took more than 2 hours)....


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15866 times:



Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 1):
I havent come across with enough time to finish my TR with NW 744 in J fram back in April. Still had NW meals*

Awesome!! Where did you go?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 2):
Thank you, DL, for that!

Yea for sure. A much needed change. I keep hoping now with NW/DL having free food to ATL and MSP, maybe AA and UA will finally change and start the same for flights to ORD, DFW, and possibly DEN.

Quoting Carfield (Reply 3):
but at least a proper dessert (a slice of cake) should be offered, instead of just a chocolate covered macadamia nut.

It was good, but I'd agree with you, it did seem a bit half-assed.

Quoting Salvation (Reply 4):
I recall using my S2 allotments on the longer routes just so I could get BusinessElite...

Definitely!! I have five left... gotta make em count. I'm thinking something to Africa - God knows thats about the LAST place I wanna get stuck, so I'll pull the trump card on those.

Quoting Salvation (Reply 4):
Enjoy and keep on writing - they're good reads!

Thanks!!

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 5):
Hopefully you didn't get that same agent

No!! Thank God haha. This time around they seemed remarkably competent!!

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 5):
How was your inter-island flight on HA?

Slept the entire time on both of them unfortunately, I was dead-tired. The 717 is a total DC9 clone though - it has those slats that make a big 'clunk' noise when they drop down on the ground, haha.

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 5):
You had to sit in Y for the HNL-ATL???? Is that your first time in Y on a 744? lol

HNL-MSP, but yes. I've actually never sat in Y on a 744 - UA or NW. That was my first time in Y on an A330 though! It wasn't that bad, actually. Just watched a movie over dinner then sacked out the rest of the time.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
Asshole...  Hmmh, good luck getting him out there!

Maybe if he just used his UNDENIABLY PERFECT routing to get to ATL I could take him on that flight, then  Wink

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
Quite sad NRT is in your top Ten of destinations flown to haha.

It's my #3 most visited airport for 2009 behind DEN and MSP, ahead of LAX, SFO, ORD, DTW, etc  bigthumbsup   cloudnine 

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 6):
then again I flew STL-BOS-JFK to get to LAX.

That was an awesome routing, WAYY better than nonstop!! I'm still remarkably jealous of you getting on a 767-200

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):
Did you manage to get on a 717?

Yea, pretty cool plane!! HA has pretty nice interiors in them too.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
You were served sauce in a tin-foil cup? In BUSINESS class?

It's not supposed to be that way, unfortunately, I guess the FA's just got lazy.

Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
Wow .. great photo view of 747 cockpit.

Thanks! I would have asked for a quick posed picture but they seemed pretty busy so I just stood out of the way.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
Hope you enjoyed your own private row...haha

Definitely, thanks!! CRJ's aren't bad at all if you get the row to yourself - they're only bad when nearly full.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
Days Inn Best Road? Who needs an alarm clock?

That's the one. Between the last DL MD88's departing around 1030p and then FedEx and all the other cargo operations just waking up then, it's an interesting experience.

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 11):
How do you like the new Biz Elite service?

Love the soup & salad appetizer - my fave thing about it!!

Quoting 76794p (Reply 12):
i read that you love cranapple juice and when i did IAH-HNL-IAH recently i gave it a try and now i am hooked on it,

Haha good for you, it's good stuff.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 13):
After the FAs get the hang of it, it can usually be accomplished within about 2 to 2.5 hours

Yea for sure, they seemed to have it down pretty fast on my couple of flights on it.


User currently offlineDLflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14051 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
The 717 is a total DC9 clone though

Minus the engine noise off course! great pics would love to do that trip one day!


User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12765 times:

Thanks for the trip report.
Food seems okay giving it's on the US carrier flights!!

I miss the good old non--rev day!  Sad

NET



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