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CDG-YUL & Back, AF 744 On The Upper Deck In Y  
User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13987 times:

Hi guys,

Here's a quick TR about a flight I took during the Summer'08. Yes, I know, it's been more than one year since then, but I guess the AF inflight service in Y didn't change that much in the meantime.

There's a BIG difference, though: at that time, seats on the upper deck were available to all Y passengers, as long as they checked in online/made a special request upon checking in at the counter. Now unfortunately regular Y passengers have to pay a fee to book those seats, unless they are frequent flyers (in which case they get access to the upper deck for free).

Legroom is much, much better on the upper deck, and additionnally all of the AF744s feature PTVs on the upper deck, whereas only 3 of them (those delivered in 2002) are fitted with PTVs on the main deck as well.

Flight 1
15th August 2008
Route: Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - Montréal Pierre Elliott Trudeau (YUL)
Flight number: AF346
Aircraft type: B747-400
Registration: F-GITC

My full routing was NCE-CDG-YUL, but I won't go into details about the NCE-CDG leg as domestic flights with AF are nothing to write home about. When checking in at NCE, I asked to be seated on the upper deck and the agent gave me seat 65K. No window, but I was seated at an exit row, so no complain.

After arriving at the domestic/schengen area of CDG 2F, I went through immigration and switched to the non-schengen pier. The whole place was very crowded as August is the busiest holiday season in France. There's a serious lack of seats at CDG 2F, but this terminal offer a very good view on the apron.

My ride for today: F-GITC. This aircraft doesn't feature PTVs in Y on the main deck, but I couldn't care less as I was one of the happy few who'd be seated upstairs.

I'm always very excited to fly on a 747. There's something special about that plane: I love her mighty look, her elegance. It's so much better than flying on a 777 or an A330 in my opinion. I fell in love with this aircraft when I saw a Corsair 747 taking off from PPT up close.

Seat comfort was excellent. I couldn't dream of a better legroom and, most importantly, the crew was very nice, friendly and attentive with genuine smiles even though it was a full flight. Two f/as were working on the upper deck, one male and one female. Most of the passengers were teenage choir singers flying back to their home in Québec. They were nice but a bit agitated as well, and the flight attendants had to remind them a few times not to gather in front of the exit doors. I have to say I've had only good experiences with AF crew members on long-haul flights.

The whole flight was uneventful. Each passenger received a printed menu, an amenity kit with eye shade and earplugs, and earphones. Drinks & snacks were served first, then the f/as handed out the lunch trays. I'm sorry for not having taken pictures of the meal, but it was good, as usual with AF, and I love the fresh bread they serve out of a basket. After lunch, the f/as set up the self-service bar in the galley. I went there a few times for some Diet Coke refills. Finally we got a snack before landing.

The IFE was quite outdated: 12 movies, and no AVOD. However it's not that bad on a 7 hours trip. I enjoyed every single minute of that flight, feeling lucky to be on the upper deck and happy to be taken care of by an outstanding crew. My 2 weeks holidays in Canada were definitely off to a good start.

I took more pictures on the return flight, when there was no one seated next to me.

CDG 2F non-schengen area. I love the architecture of this terminal.

F-GITC standing at the gate. Boarding by bus is still very common at CDG, but not this time for me.



Boarding time.

The most beautiful thing on Earth.


Best legroom ever.

PTV out of the armrest.

Pre-meal drink & snack service.




A great AF f/a.

Greenland ?


All in all, I had a very good flight. A few days later, F-GITC overran the runway at YUL but no one was hurt and the aircraft flew back to CDG uneventfully.

Flight 2
28th August 2008
Route: Montréal Pierre Elliott Trudeau (YUL) - Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
Flight number: AF345
Aircraft type: B747-400
Registration: F-GEXA

Time to head back to France after a very enjoyable trip in Québec with my father and my brothers...I secured a window seat on the upper deck by checking in online 30 hours before my flight.

Once again, AF delivered an excellent service. The crew was not as friendly as on the inbound flight, but they were very nice nonetheless. This flight was not full and, fortunately, the two seats beside me were free, which means I had 3 seats just for myself. After take off, dinner was served, and we got a light breakfast before landing. Other than the outdated IFE, I had nothing to complain about.

Check-in area at YUL.

F-GEXA, ex-UTA aircraft.






The unique curvature of the 747 cabin wall on the upper deck.

Lots of stowage room !!

Excellent legroom. I'm 190cm.

Sitting high on the apron.

Au revoir Québec, je me souviens...


Amenity kit.




Printed menu: a very nice touch.

Dinner: I took the pumpkin ravioli. It was excellent.




Cabin lights turned on for breakfast.

Light breakfast.





We parked at the new area of CDG 2F, called "galeries parisiennes".


After disembarking very early in the morning, I made my way through immigration to the schengen area of CDG 2F, and waited for my flight to Nice.

I've been very happy with those 2 flights. It's a pity those AF 747s are on the way out, and I regret that the AF service in Y has gone downhill recently with the changed made to the configuration of the 77W (3-4-3 abreast vs 3-3-3 previously) and the new Flying Blue rules.

The most positive point of those two flights, in addition to the seat comfort, was the friendliness and professionalism of the cabin crew. AF is far from perfect, but when they do things well, the service level is top notch.

I hope you enjoyed that report ! Have fun.

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6832 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13722 times:

Great report with nice pictures!

Nice that you got to fly on the upper deck; I flew on the upper deck on a SK 742 in 1986 in Y which was a great flight.

Quoting AOMlover (Thread starter):
but it was good, as usual with AF

I also always get great food with AF.

Quoting AOMlover (Thread starter):
I love the architecture of this terminal

Yes, CDG 2F is a great terminal. I have been thru there a few times going to NCE and DXB but it's been a while. Architecture is amazing.

Thanks again and looking forward to your next report!


Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13699 times:
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Nice report & pictures, thanks for sharing.

Your flight, hopefully gave me an idea of what to expect on my AF A380 flight in November, will be interesting to see the service difference, if ant, on the AF A380 vs 744.



User currently offlineTurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1460 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12837 times:

I too flew the 747-400 last year between MIA and CDG. Unfortunately, I could not secure an upper deck seat. It was almost impossible even though I was willing to pay extra. I settled down to my seat in the lower deck and with a twist of fate, a lady came to me and asked me if I wanted to switch seats with her. It turned out she was seated in the upper deck. I was a bit reluctant at first as it was a middle seat but let me tell you, it turned out to be fantastic. The 4 inch extra seat pitch made a huge difference. The tiny TV was a nice added extra too. It turned out to be my fastest TATL flight. It was a unique experience...

Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1206 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12544 times:

Nice report and great photos.

How did you get a seat on the upper deck? I flew AF from MIA to CDG in August and I tried to get a seat on theupper deck but to no avail. I do have DL Silver so I'm just wondering how you managed it.

I agree its a shame AF is phasing out their 747s. I also think their F/As are usually very friendly and helpful.

2F is a great terminal, shame 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D aren't as nice.

A330 man.
User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11861 times:

Thanks for your comments guys,

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
Your flight, hopefully gave me an idea of what to expect on my AF A380 flight in November

Lucky you !!! Please take pictures and then post a trip report ! I'm very impatient to see the cabin of the AF A380.

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 4):

How did you get a seat on the upper deck?

Seats on the upper deck used to be kept for frequent flyers in priority. However, by asking nicely at the check-in counter, you could have access to the upper deck without being a Flying Blue elite member. The other solution was to check-in online, as by doing so you could select a seat on the upper deck. Today, non-elite members have to pay in order to get a seat on the upper deck. I don't know why you didn't get it: maybe the upper deck was full ? I guess sometimes they also put groups on the upper deck. On my CDG-YUL flight, most of the seats were taken by teenagers from a group of choir singers.

I agree that CDG 2A/B/C are way behind 2E and 2F, but I believe that AF is progressively leaving those old terminals.

User currently offlinePellegrine From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Mar 2007, 2753 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10854 times:

Thanks for the report, interesting pictures of Y on the upper deck, a rare thing indeed!

oh boy!!!
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7100 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9962 times:

Great report with many nice pictures, enjoyed reading a lot. I cannot believe you haven't got more replies.

Quoting AOMlover (Thread starter):

Here's a quick TR about a flight I took during the Summer'08. Yes, I know, it's been more than one year since then, but I guess the AF inflight service in Y didn't change that much in the meantime.

Don't worry about that!

Quoting AOMlover (Thread starter):
Now unfortunately regular Y passengers have to pay a fee to book those seats, unless they are frequent flyers (in which case they get access to the upper deck for free).

That's really bad.

Quoting AOMlover (Thread starter):
Dinner: I took the pumpkin ravioli. It was excellent.

Looks really good. AF's long-haul catering is awesome. I hope that won't change anytime soon.


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