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User currently offlineInfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1451 posts, RR: 33
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

After having read some recent TRs here on airliners, I decided that it was time to take a trip myself. There are only so many times you can cover a given route (in my case ZRH-MAN) so I decided to plan something I’d been thinking of doing for a while.

Switzerland being such a small country, there are very few inland flights. In the case of Zurich-Basel / Geneva / Lugano, these are all routes where it makes sense to book them as part of a connecting flight on LX. So, the only other thing left for me to do was to fly Geneva-Lugano. Of all the inland routes, this one makes the most sense to fly, as the same journey by road or rail is long and somewhat tedious.

Darwin Airlines (operating carrier with Saab 2000, who also fly ZRH-LUG) and Fly Baboo codeshare on this route. There are currently 3 flights a day during the week. Early morning, late afternoon and evening. Due to the fact that I live at the opposite end of the country, only the afternoon one was feasible for me. My fare-searching online came up with some interesting results. A week before departure it was still possible to get the lowest fare (note the word low and not cheap!) and this was booking through Fly Baboo. The exact same ticket booked through Darwin would have cost 80CHF more!

I didn’t have much choice of dates due to work, and was keen to get the flight in before it got too dark in the evenings. So I settled for October 12th and booked a single ticket via the Baboo website for 170CHF – that’s as cheap as it seems to get. After booking I got a message saying there had been a problem issuing the ticket and I should phone the call centre. The next morning I did that, no waiting in a queue for 15 minutes – choose your language, get connected, a very efficient agent pressed the necessary buttons on the computer and the ticket was in my inbox a couple of minutes later. Other airlines take note.

To go with my air ticket I needed a train ticket to get me to Geneva and back from Lugano. Public transport is so easy here and I obtained a special daycard from our neighbouring village. For just 40CHF you can travel as much as you want in one day. The only catch is each card is valid for a specific day only and you have to book them in advance. So I’d get nearly 7 hours on the train for a bargain price and 40 minutes in the air for, well, a bit more.

One of the attractions of taking a flight like this is the hope of some stunning views of the Alps, but you can’t plan the weather in advance. Sure enough, the forecast was pretty lousy. Cloud, rain, strong winds, certainly not what I wanted to hear. The only glimmer of hope was that the Lugano area should be better due to the strong northerly Föhn wind.

The worst of the storm passed over in the night, but the conditions were still less than perfect. I nevertheless set off optimistic that it would be better in the French part.

Monday 12th October 2009
After taking a bus to my local railway station just before 12pm I took a short train ride to Aarau, where I changed onto the direct train to Geneva airport, a 3hour ride in total.

Regioexpress to Aarau
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My train
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The ICN is a tilting train and a very smart one at that. However, they nearly always make me feel sick on long journeys. Today was no exception. After eating my lunch I thought it would be nice to read a magazine but I soon gave up as reading only made it worse. So there was nothing else for it than to listen to some music and enjoy the Swiss scenery. The train went via Olten, Solothurn, Biel/Bienne, Neuchatel, Yverdon-les-Bains, Nyon, arriving at the airport just before 3pm.

I haven’t used Geneva airport since 2004 and coming up from the station my first thought was how dated everything looked – like Zurich 15 years ago. The main escalator to the check-in area was broken and as there was no lift in sight people were forced to carry their cases. Unsurprisingly there were a few unhappy faces.

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I found departures to be clear and well signposted at Geneva. There were 5 main entrances and check-in for my flight was done at the Star Alliance desks.
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A quiet Monday afternoon at Geneva
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For those who book the flexible fares there is an option to choose your seat online. Being at check-in so early I had no problems though and the friendly check-in agent gave me 7A. I chose this side in the hope of some views of the Alps

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I spent some time wandering in and out and checking out the various shops and restaurants. About an hour before departure I went through security where there was quite a queue, mainly easyJet passengers. You forget just how big they are here. Funnily enough, you didn’t have to show your boarding pass. Anybody could have passed through and got all the way to the gate.



On my way to the gate
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My flight was due to depart from D27. This area is where most of the Baboo flights leave from, as they’ve set up a special seating area advertising the airline. It all looked very smart.

Baboo Dash 8-Q400 ready for the off
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easyJet are in charge here. Note the rather threatening looking clouds
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GVA-LUG
OD17 / F7003
Saab 2000 HB-IYD
STD 1655 / STA 1745
ATD 1707 / ATA 1747

The boarding announcement was made at 1630 yet there was no aircraft in sight. We got on the bus. And waited….and waited…..The doors were wide open, the cold wind was blasting in and it was not much fun. The missing passenger turned up after a good 10 minutes, got a few glares from the others (me included)and then the bus set off. I counted just 22 pax, not a terribly good load on a 50 seater plane. Most were unsurprisingly business men & women. There was also a family with a young girl and a couple of other travellers who didn’t fit in with the rest (again me included  Wink)



On alighting from the bus I was rather puzzled by the aircraft waiting. A Saab 2000 it was, but Darwin it wasn’t. Only after some research was the mystery solved – Darwin had taken delivery of it only 2 weeks previously from Polet Airlines, a Russian airline that was new to me, and hadn’t got round to giving it a respray.

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QR A330
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This was to be my flight flight on a turboprop and I actually surprised at how spacious it felt inside. The legroom was excellent. The one member of cabin crew was friendly and did all the announcements in French, Italian and English. Safety demo was done in English & flying time estimated at 40 mins.

At 1700 we pushed back and taxied along to runway 05, where we took off at 1707. I’m not used to the noise on these aircraft! I then realised I was on the wrong side for the views of Geneva – all I got on the left was the motorway……

Ready for pushback
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Cabin shot
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Taxiing to runway, Privatair in the background
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Last view of lake Geneva


We were above the clouds......


I spotted this beauty peeking out on the other side. If you had a clear day for this route though it would be just breathtaking. The flight was remarkably smooth considering the forecast.


The pilot did give us some brief information although the only bit I understood was cruising altitude of 6100m.
Seat pitch


Everyone was offered a drink although many didn’t bother to take one. A few years ago fellow member Rootsair covered this leg and was given a Proscuito sandwich….no such luck these days. At least the drink was served in a glass and the trolley was an old Crossair one, ah nostalgia.
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I felt the aircraft slowly begin to descend just as the cloud cover broke. By this point we were over Lake Maggiore and some very impressive views were beginning to unfold.



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We flew over Monte Tamaro and soon I could see the bridge across Lake Lugano at Melide. It was only at this point that I realised just how much height we had to lose before we could land. We circled over the lake before flying south for a short time then turning north again for the final approach. The pictures speak for themselves.

Monte Tamaro region


Melide
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Lugano
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There’s the runway!
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This is my favourite
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Final approach








A fast and powerful landing which was really very impressive. And I was in Lugano! This journey takes an incredible 6 hours by train and I’d done it in 40 minutes!



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It was a short walk across the tarmac to the terminal building. The airport really is sweet. Departures & arrivals all in 1 hall, ticket desks for LX and OD, a small information desk and that’s it.
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That what’s my aircraft should have looked like!
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Baggage claim
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Check-in & arrivals all in one
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A shuttle bus meets every arrival and takes you into central Lugano. My ride to the railway station cost 8chf, the driver had just 4 passengers. The other 3 had arrived from ZRH on a flight 15minutes after the GVA one. This is as busy as it gets here.
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View from Lugano station
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My train back up north was at 19.12. It should have been a CISalpino, but with all the problems they’re having is currently operated by an ICN. So no reading for me on the way back either. It was dark anyway and I fell asleep, only waking when we’d long emerged from the Gotthard tunnel.
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I was back in the flat 11 hours after leaving having travelled a few hundred kilometres! All in all it was a very successful day: new airport, new airline, new aircraft type and an unusal livery. It’s a trip I’d repeat in the hope of getting even better views next time.

Thanks for reading and as always questions & comments are welcome.

Happy flying!
Infodesk


"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
11 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1201 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Hola Infodesk!

Thanks for this very unsual report.

Flying over Switzerland is always a pleasure, especially in clear days. I am looking forward to having a beautiful day on Sunday as I am flying ZRH-LCY-GVA, although not many mountains can be seen on the route, at least lakes will. Unfortunately my flights from/to BCN are late evening when it is already dark, I hope for a clear night and a bright moon when views are also stunning.

Lugano looks a perfect airport... easy, convenient and really simple. Love them.

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

Hi Hannah,

great report about a quite special regional route and lots of fantastic pictures. You were lucky that the weather got better during your flight - your pictures of Lago Maggiore, Lugano and the Southern Alps are great. It's a really beautiful area and it's always amazing to fly above the Alps.

Quoting Infodesk (Thread starter):
Public transport is so easy here and I obtained a special daycard from our neighbouring village. For just 40CHF you can travel as much as you want in one day.

That's a really good offer, regarding that you can also use the long-distance trains.

Quoting Infodesk (Thread starter):
A Saab 2000 it was, but Darwin it wasn’t. Only after some research was the mystery solved – Darwin had taken delivery of it only 2 weeks previously from Polet Airlines, a Russian airline that was new to me, and hadn’t got round to giving it a respray.

Great - I always like flying on an aircraft with some "history".

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6747 posts, RR: 77
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Great report about a rare carrier and a rare aircraft. You also included many nice pictures. I still need to get on the Saab 2000. Actually I just discussed possible options with a friend yesterday and we also talked about Darwin - nice coincidence to find your report here today.

Quoting Infodesk (Thread starter):
At least the drink was served in a glass and the trolley was an old Crossair one, ah nostalgia.

The glass looks nice, nevertheless.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 5150 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Hi, Hannah,

you prepared me well for that experience.
Superb pictures and detailed story, all together a real good idea to do that intra-Swiss ride.
Always nice to follow plane/train combinations and congrats to that special
ex Polet machine. A ride on the Saab 2000 is not that easy to catch nowadays.

You know, I´am working also on some pics from the area together with the
no Cispalpino ride.

Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

[Edited 2009-10-29 12:49:22]


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User currently offlineAkhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2452 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

Hi Infodesk,

Nice report! It must have been a great experience flying with Saab 2000.

Interesting that Darwin serves drinks in a real glass. Did they still serve anything else on your flight?

Your aerial pictures are just awesome! I like it!

Cheers,
Suryo



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User currently offlineHansHubers From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

Very nice trip report! Good pictures as well, my compliments!


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User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Hi,

A very nice report and an interesting read about what appears to be a very successful day out. Shame about the weather around GVA, fortunately it cleared out on the other side of the Alps. Those pictures of the famous Lugano approach are great - that ride has been on my todo list for quite some time - I kick myself for not doing it every time I'm watching the Lugano and Lake Maggiore area from above when flying to/from Italy.

The GVA airport pictures look very familiar - as it's only been a bit over month since I was there.

Quoting Infodesk (Thread starter):
Funnily enough, you didn’t have to show your boarding pass. Anybody could have passed through and got all the way to the gate.

This is the way it's pretty much always been (and still is!) in Finland - and frankly I've never understood why should one have a valid boarding pass to enter the sterile area. After all every person entering is screened - so what's the problem - apart from perhaps longer queues. I've taken advantage of this fact many times when seeing members of the family off - no playing around with any "gate passes" or other such stupidity in HEL.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4267 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Hi Hannah!

that's what I call a good report again and such a good catch with that ex Polet Avia Saab 2000! I always wondered what Polet was doing with those Saabs. They're better in operating Antonov 124's, me thinks  Silly
Would love to fly into LUG on a clear day, have been thinking about doing so a few times already, but never booked it yet. The GVA-LUG flight is an option for me too, and I think LX ex ZRH, on RJ100's ?

Regards,
Eric



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7715 times:

Hey Hannah!

An excellent read, accompanied with the great pics as usual. This really is the only Swiss domestic route that makes sense from an O&D point of view, as train and/or road aren't any viable alternatives, like you pointed out.

I was in GVA aswell on the 12th, twice actually! Got out of a nightstop and worked GVA-ZRH-GVA-ZRH(-CDG-ZRH). I remember those threatenign clouds very well, as one of them was directly over the airport when i got up in the morning, and the airport was groundstopped for about 20minutes Big grin

If you enjoy flying over the alps at low levels, you should consider LX's ZRH-MXP and/or ZRH-NCE. I worked NCE twice this week, and we'd usually go straight over the alps towards MXP at around FL240. On one return flight we actually circled the Mont Blanc and it felt like you could almost touch it, just breathtaking!

Looking forward to your next TR!
Sandro


User currently offlineSpootter10 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Thank you for the interesting trip report!

Even though I live in souhern Germany and have been to Switzerland a couple of times, I never made it further than Zurich and thus missed out on the beautiful scenery I can see in your pictures (I love the lakes and mountains shots). I guess I have to catch up a lot  Smile


User currently offlineInfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1451 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

First of apologies that the pics have disappeared. Photobucket's caught me out again! Here's the link to the album for anyone who'd like to look at them:

http://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m249/hanval/Darwin/

Thanks to everyone who's left a comment!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 1):
Flying over Switzerland is always a pleasure, especially in clear days. I am looking forward to having a beautiful day on Sunday as I am flying ZRH-LCY-GVA, although not many mountains can be seen on the route, at least lakes will.

You should be alright on Sunday, the bad weather isn’t due until Monday! I take it all the legs are on LX? I noticed recently that Baboo have some very attractive fares on the GVA-LCY route.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 2):
You were lucky that the weather got better during your flight - your pictures of Lago Maggiore, Lugano and the Southern Alps are great. It's a really beautiful area and it's always amazing to fly above the Alps.

Hi Christoph,
I was indeed lucky that I had such great views. I would have really disappointed if it had been clody the whole way.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 2):
That's a really good offer, regarding that you can also use the long-distance trains.

It is a fantastic deal. You often find they’re booked wel in advance at the weekends, but there’s usually no problem finding one during the week. You don’t need any kind of rail card either.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Actually I just discussed possible options with a friend yesterday and we also talked about Darwin - nice coincidence to find your report here today.

Hope you manage to find a suitable option, I’ll look forward to reading about it here!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 4):
Always nice to follow plane/train combinations and congrats to that special
ex Polet machine. A ride on the Saab 2000 is not that easy to catch nowadays.

Hi Markus!
I don’t think I realised just how specal that plane was until the day after the flight. Nobody else gave it a second glance!

You know, I´am working also on some pics from the area together with the
no Cispalpino ride.

The infamous CISalpino! I’ll look forward to hearing about your trip in detail!

Quoting Akhmad (Reply 5):
Interesting that Darwin serves drinks in a real glass. Did they still serve anything else on your flight?

No, pity, a little chocolate like on LX would have been a nice touch!

Quoting Akhmad (Reply 5):
Your aerial pictures are just awesome! I like it!

Thank you!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
Those pictures of the famous Lugano approach are great - that ride has been on my todo list for quite some time - I kick myself for not doing it every time I'm watching the Lugano and Lake Maggiore area from above when flying to/from Italy.



Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 7):
I've taken advantage of this fact many times when seeing members of the family off - no playing around with any "gate passes" or other such stupidity in HEL.

That approach into Lugano certainly is something very special and worth doing., I’m sure you’d love it.
Interesting re Helsinki. I can’t remember how it was when I used the airport in 2007. It would never work here in Zurich as boarding pass control comes way before security.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 8):
I always wondered what Polet was doing with those Saabs. They're better in operating Antonov 124's, me thinks
Would love to fly into LUG on a clear day, have been thinking about doing so a few times already, but never booked it yet. The GVA-LUG flight is an option for me too, and I think LX ex ZRH, on RJ100's ?

Hi Eric,
When I first looked at Polet’s website all I saw were photos of Antonovs so I was somewhat confused!
That’s the problem with these flights, knowing when you’re going to get a clear day. Maybe it’s better to book last minute, pay a bit more and be sure of getting those views. ZRH-LUG is operated by OD on behalf of LX, so again on the Saab 2000. Lugano can’t take any planes bigger than 50 seater.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 9):
I was in GVA aswell on the 12th, twice actually! Got out of a nightstop and worked GVA-ZRH-GVA-ZRH(-CDG-ZRH). I remember those threatenign clouds very well, as one of them was directly over the airport when i got up in the morning, and the airport was groundstopped for about 20minutes
If you enjoy flying over the alps at low levels, you should consider LX's ZRH-MXP and/or ZRH-NCE. I worked NCE twice this week, and we'd usually go straight over the alps towards MXP at around FL240. On one return flight we actually circled the Mont Blanc and it felt like you could almost touch it, just breathtaking!

Hi Sandro,
Well fancy that! If only we had those wonderful staff tickets – you could have flown me to GVA rather than me having to feel sick on the train! Sounds like you had quite a busy day, glad the weather didn’t cause you too many problems.
Thanks for the tip about Nice. Flying over the Alps really is something special. I went up the Aiguilles du Midi back in September so can imagine just how stunning it must be to see Mont Blanc that close from the air. Hope you have your camera with you when you’re flying!
PS. I’m hoping my next TR will be a special one  Wink

Quoting Spootter10 (Reply 10):
I never made it further than Zurich and thus missed out on the beautiful scenery I can see in your pictures (I love the lakes and mountains shots). I guess I have to catch up a lot

I can highly recommend exploring the country more. You won’t be disappointed!

Happy flying
Infodesk



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
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