FLIEGER67 From Georgia, joined Sep 2003, 4387 posts, RR: 57 Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10077 times:
The one and only lav inop: VCE on the E135
Ciao, dear readers,
collecting another new plane type isn´t that bad, or not?.
The Embraer E 135 comes to my mind, the AFAIK smallest jet airliner in commercial airline service nowadays.
And after some more "lonely nights at the laptop" there was another daytrip possible.
Ok, some three weeks after arriving back from Hungary:
Wednesday, 14.10.2009 Wet, Temperature 3 degrees Clear sky, Temperature 5 degrees
Duration: No announcement, 55 minutes actual
Service Air France AF 5581 operated by Regional
Scheduled: 06.40 // 07.50
Actual: 07.10 // 08.05
Gate: 312 Seat: 14A
Load factor: Around 50%
Well, booking a oneway ticket on that typical high fare biz route is impossible, also a return with different dates was more than 250.-- Euros.
So, the decision was quickly done to grab some Flying Blue miles, actual 12.500 and book the first two legs together.
With some 80,-- Euros taxes beside an acceptable fare.
Check in was done the usual style, online from my laptop without any problems and also the scheduled seatmaps opened up.
By car to the airport, very early, boarding was announced for 06.10 am.
Arrived at around 5.30 am, good ontime.
With one of the three counters not occupied by other pax, I´ve decided to change my self printed boardings to some real stuff.
The lady was not in the best mood and I had to explain it for three times, but finally she does it and I was on the way passing security and checking the gate.
A bus gate as expected.
Pretty early at the airport:
The empty AF gate usually used for CDG services:
Boarding time comes an goes, no announcement, but I was near the gate and followed the phone discussion between gate and ramp agent.
There is only one lavatory at the E 135 and these one was inop.
The gate agents opinion was clearly to notice. AF should cancel that flight and check the plane, its impossible to fly with the inop lav.
The ramp agent was back again and told him that the pilot declared the plane airworthy and want to go ASAP.
So the gate agent does an announcement like this:
"Good morning all pax on AF to LYS. There is a minor technical problem with the plane, it is one lavatory on that machine and this is inoperable.
We will wait for ten more minutes, so that all pax had the chance to join the restroom at the airport.
If someone refuses to fly on that plane, please come forward to the gate".
With nearly all suites on that service, no one comes forward. And as announced ten minutes later boarding started.
Close up:
The rear:
Boarding:
F-GOHA waited on the apron.
The plane type wise warm welcomed Embraer 135, delivered at 10.04.2000 to Proteus and changed to Regional at 01.04.2001.
Regional operates actual 9 E135 machines and F-GOHA is the oldest and first delivered.
Premiere for me on that type.
The situation doesn´t improved, as soon as we had taken our seats, welcomed by a middle aged friendly female FA the french pilot was on the interkom, with
a short welcome and that the plane needs deicing. We had to wait for some 15 minutes till our deicing position will be free.
He was once more on the phone during deicing with detailed explanations around the whole situation.
Finally departure from the 3345 meters runway 07 in direction east of BSL and west of GVA, the flight itself calm, no flightlevel information.
Just departed:
Engine view:
The cabin fitted with dark blue leather seats. Legroom ok, clean so far. Comfortable 1 / 2 seating.
Cabin:
My seat:
The actuial mag:
Service was free coffee /tea/beverages and a small brioche.
GVA:
Near LYS:
One more information during approach into LYS around the weather and a friendly bye-bye. No comment from the FO.
Touchdown on the 2670 meters runway 36R.
Arrived at LYS:
Taxi:
Near the gate:
The plane parked close to the gate entrance, the chance for a cockpit pic. No problem told me the FA and I´ve had a short chat with the guys upfront.
They confirmed that the E135 is the smallest jetliner around right now.
The office:
Bye-Bye:
Again:
25 minutes now for me at LYS, if there will be no issue with the next flight.
Wednesday, 14.10.2009 Clear sky, Temperature 8 degrees Partly cloudy, Temperature 15 degrees
Duration: 1 hour announced
1 hour, 10 minutes actual
Service Air France AF 5562 operated by Regional
Scheduled: 09.00 // 10.20
Actual: 09.10 // 10.20
Gate: 24B Seat: 18A
Load factor: Around 90%
LYS has done several improvements recently, so the AF used terminal is comfortable and spacious, perfect for the smaller planes here.
Nice gate area:
I´am also looking forward to this leg.
Scheduled on the new E70 plane.
The board:
Details:
My machine at the gate:
Again:
Front view:
The other side:
Reg. shot:
F-GOHA taxi, it seems with that short turnaround again without lav:
So it was. F-HBXF parked at the announced gate.
Delivered only at 19.08.2009 to Regional.
Leg no. 3 for me ontype and the first on that machine.
Boarding was called some minuted late, the plane parked directly at the gates door.
Boarding:
Again:
Two friendly female FA´s here. The cabin fitted with dark blue leather seats. Clean, the typical new plane smell, comfortbale, good legroom.
Seats:
Cabin:
My seat:
Cockpit crew was also french here. The pilot with a short welcome during boarding, once more later during approach.
No comment from the FO.
Departure from the 4000 meters runway 36L. Remember my departure board picture.
AF operates wave style from LYS, so we´re no. 9 to takeoff in the morning rush. A real powerful takeoff followed.
Airlinair at departure:
The route was above Torino and Milano, clear, but some shakers during approach. No flightlevel information.
Above the alps:
Northern Italy:
Service was the same like on the first leg, free water/coffee/tea and a brioche.
Approach:
Close to VCE:
Finals:
Touchdown on the 3300 meters runway 04 R good ontime.
Just arrived:
Disembarking:
Apron shot:
Detail:
The apron again:
Once more:
By bus to the terminal, italian style, the driver goes like he´s piloting a Ferrari not a bus!.
Quickly out in the public, I was for several times in Venice, but no incoming via VCE till now.
Its possible to go by the heavy expensive water taxi service to the city, also by Alilaguna´s scheduled boat service, or the cheapest way
by the ATVO bus to Mestre train station and further by train to Venice Santa Lucia, which was my way.
My engine at Venice Santa Lucia:
I´ve done that before, its simply unbelievable that you leave the train and switch within seconds to another world with the Canale Grande directly infront the train station.
Let me show you some pic´s from that special city.
First view after leaving the train station:
Canale Grande:
Rialto:
From above:
Venice´s living room:
The other side:
And some "tower" hearby:
Nice view:
Landside:
The same way back in the afternoon.
Wednesday, 14.10.2009 Partly cloudy, Temperature 14 degrees Cloudy, Temperature 5 degrees
Duration: 55 minutes announced
1 hour actual
Service X3 3495 operated by TuiFly
Scheduled: 17.55 // 19.05
Actual: 17.50 // 18.50
Gate: 01 Seat: 27A
Load factor: Around 80%
Well, also here, loco fill´s the gap and after some searching I´ve secured the cheapest fare for that ride = EUR 29.--.
At first now some impressions from VCE airport, not that really large but spacious enough, on different levels with good places to relax and follow the action outside.
It´s actually no. 3 in Italy in terms of pax numbers.
Departures:
Well designed:
EK to DXB:
Vueling and Windjet:
Anyone remember Alpi Eagles?:
EK again:
Nice Meridiana MD:
And once more EK:
EK departure:
Arrival Tarom:
Vueling and Brussels Airlines:
AirDolomiti:
And the second AF flight from LYS:
My plane arrived from STR well ontime. With several legs on X3 done, hopefully a new reg.
Bus boarding was called well ontime. And no luck today so it seems.
Arrival X3:
Taxi:
Again:
D-AHXB waited on the apron.
Delivered at 05.04.2007 to Tuifly and leg no. 3 for me on that machine, leg no. 23 ontype.
Under the winglet:
Boarding:
Logo:
Three friendly female FA´s on that machine.
The cabin fitted with fabric seats in mixed colours. Clean and significant lower legroom than on the E-Jets.
Seats:
Cabin:
The mag:
To the runway:
On the run:
Again:
Departure from runway 04R like arrivals in direction Salzburg and Innsbruck, a calm flight. No flightlevel info.
Above the coastline:
Closer to Venice:
Venice from above:
And again:
Through the clouds:
Santa Lucia station:
The route:
Service was buy on board.
Cockpit crew was from Germany, the female captain with real detailed informations in a friendly style during cruise around route and weather.
Touchdown on STR´s runway 07 good ontime and by bus to the terminal.
Only some minutes later on the way back home.
So, the E135 is a tiny machine, not the best first impression with that lav issues, but nevertheless good to fly it again soon.
And when you also dont need it, it´s always good to know that there is a lav available.
Also the E170, one of my favourite planes nowadays, comfortable.
And what about X3, that was probably my last flight here with the city routes going to airberlin shortly.
Friendly staff, good fare, ok so far.
And further: Explore the Emirates on a widebodie compilation Qatar style!.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1705 posts, RR: 42 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9921 times:
Hallo Markus,
Thanks for this report about a nice little daytrip. Those pictures of Venice were good - I've always regarded that place as too touristic for me, but maybe I should change my mind and give it a try.
Also congrats on the E135 - I had somehow thought that I'd logged a lot of segments on it but I checked my log and found only one - a CF bird. There are a few more on the 145, though. I guess to complete the series I'd need still to log a 140, but that's only possible with American Eagle...
The Venice airport looks very busy, I never thought there's so much traffic there.
Oh yes, I remember Windjet very well. Not my favorite airline, definitely. Although I do owe them a thank you for pushing the fares down on some domestic Italian routes which I booked for next year (but not on them!).
I was trying to nail that airport down, but couldn't really. My top choices are BGY and VRN, but it doesn't look right judging from the Google Maps satellite image. Can anyone shed any light?
Contact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9916 times:
Hi Markus,
Very nice report once again. Congratulations to your first Emb135-flight - a really rare type of aircraft indeed. I know that Emb135 as well as Emb145 are used on STR-LYS by Air France. So did you really know in advance that it would be an Emb135 on your particular flight? It would have been a pity ending up on an Emb145 instead...
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): I´ve done that before, its simply unbelievable that you leave the train and switch within seconds to another world with the Canale Grande directly infront the train station.
I can only agree - getting into the City of Venice is always amazing, no matter if you arrive by train, bus or boat. And the city is much nicer in autumn or winter than in summer when there are masses of tourists around.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1705 posts, RR: 42 Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9916 times:
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3): I was trying to nail that airport down, but couldn't really. My top choices are BGY and VRN, but it doesn't look right judging from the Google Maps satellite image. Can anyone shed any light?
Oh, now I got it. It's actually TRN - I thought you'd be flying a more northernly route.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4015 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
Hi Markus,
once again congrats with this good routing. The Emb170 is for sure a nice one, good picture above the Alps!
Emb135; flown this myself on AF-Regional too, CFE-AMS. It was not my most comfortable experience, a bit shaky all ride long, but nevertheless I enjoyed it.
Regards,
Eric
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
SAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 479 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
Hi Markus,
Once again another interesting TR (but then again this is what we expect from you )!
Are there any airliners left on your "to do" list?
Is the Lyon service always a ERJ135 or does it depend on loadings?
It's so sad to see the Alpi Eagles Fk100's & the MyAir CRJ's parked up. Were all the Fk100's parked up there or have some already departed for new homes?
The Tuifly seats are certainly different in their livery, I think "acquired taste" is probably the kindest way to describe them!!
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8258 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9602 times:
Hi Markus,
Another real interesting routing with a great choice of airplanes!
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): collecting another new plane type isn´t that bad, or not?.
The Embraer E 135 comes to my mind, the AFAIK smallest jet airliner in commercial airline service nowadays
- Yep, still missing the 135 myself!!!
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): F-GOHA taxi, it seems with that short turnaround again without lav:
- Just how many flights is that bird going to have with an inop toilet?
Did Mrs FLIEGER67 know you were off to VCE? - If I went, I think Mrds BA319131 would want to come.
Looking forward to your QR expereince, I have 4 flights booked with them next year!
Debonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2096 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8978 times:
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter): "Good morning all pax on AF to LYS. There is a minor technical problem with the plane, it is one lavatory on that machine and this is inoperable.
We will wait for ten more minutes, so that all pax had the chance to join the restroom at the airport.
LUV IT! Last time I heard this was on a 2:20hrs flight from HAM to PMI on germanwings- all 3 lavs were down.
FLIEGER67 From Georgia, joined Sep 2003, 4387 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8636 times:
Hey, good to follow all that comments.
@Suryo:
Quoting Akhmad (Reply 1): Thank you very much for sharing this experience, Markus! Embraer is still appearing on my wish-list. I hope I can fly this beauty soon!
Thank you.
Quoting Akhmad (Reply 1): I like the airport logo's on your TR! Really original!
And certainly look forward to your experience with QR!
More thanx and the QR story is ready to finish here.
@PH:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2): very interesting report with nice pictures from Venice. The ERJ135 is still missing in my log, not easy to get.
Thank you.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2): That's a really tight connection. Have you ever missed a flight because of that?
Yes, but thankfully only on very limited occasions.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2): Yes, it's always good to know it's there.
A 100% agreement.
@P.:
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3): Thanks for this report about a nice little daytrip. Those pictures of Venice were good - I've always regarded that place as too touristic for me, but maybe I should change my mind and give it a try.
Thank you and VCE during tourist season, no way for me, but in late autumn or winter
it´s a recommendable target.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3): I guess to complete the series I'd need still to log a 140, but that's only possible with American Eagle...
Hey, good idea, me too.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3): The Venice airport looks very busy, I never thought there's so much traffic there.
Also, here too.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 3): Oh yes, I remember Windjet very well. Not my favorite airline, definitely. Although I do owe them a thank you for pushing the fares down on some domestic Italian routes which I booked for next year (but not on them!).
I´am looking for that stories, you know.
@Christoph:
Quoting Contact Air (Reply 4): Very nice report once again. Congratulations to your first Emb135-flight - a really rare type of aircraft indeed. I know that Emb135 as well as Emb145 are used on STR-LYS by Air France. So did you really know in advance that it would be an Emb135 on your particular flight? It would have been a pity ending up on an Emb145 instead...
Thank you and indeed, the flight was shifted several times between the E145 and the E135.
Quoting Contact Air (Reply 4): I can only agree - getting into the City of Venice is always amazing, no matter if you arrive by train, bus or boat. And the city is much nicer in autumn or winter than in summer when there are masses of tourists around.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 5): Oh, now I got it. It's actually TRN - I thought you'd be flying a more northernly route
Thank you for checking it finally.
@Eric:
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6): once again congrats with this good routing. The Emb170 is for sure a nice one, good picture above the Alps!
Emb135; flown this myself on AF-Regional too, CFE-AMS. It was not my most comfortable experience, a bit shaky all ride long, but nevertheless I enjoyed it.
Thank you and also here not the most comfortable ride.
@Dave:
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7): Once again another interesting TR
Thank you.
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7): Are there any airliners left on your "to do" list?
For sure, a lof of targets to go.
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7): Is the Lyon service always a ERJ135 or does it depend on loadings?
The flight was shifted between the E135 and the E145 according to the loads.
Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 7): It's so sad to see the Alpi Eagles Fk100's & the MyAir CRJ's parked up. Were all the Fk100's parked up there or have some already departed for new homes?
No idea, but also in Bari during my latest ride I saw both airlines parked.
@Mark:
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8): Another real interesting routing with a great choice of airplanes!
Thank you.
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8): - Just how many flights is that bird going to have with an inop toilet?
It seems more than we know.
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8): Did Mrs FLIEGER67 know you were off to VCE? - If I went, I think Mrds BA319131 would want to come.
Well, Mrs. Flieger is always well informed.
But a daytrip, no way to go together.
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8): Looking forward to your QR expereince, I have 4 flights booked with them next year!
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6079 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8567 times:
Hi Markus!
Great report with fantastic pistures of Venice! I was there 20 years ago but it still looks the same, amazing city.
The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....GA, T5, CI and LX 777s
Infodesk From Switzerland, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1236 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
Hi Markus,
Another successful trip for your log. It was a good job you could use your miles for the AF legs, fares of 250E are just crazy.
An unusal story with the inop toilet! It's not something you read about everyday, yet I think the solution was fair to all involved. Glad you were able to catch the rare E135 - although i think soon you'll have flown most of the aircraft types flying around Europe at present!!
Venice certainly is a special place. You had lovely weather and I liked your option of taking the train and not the boat into the centre. The pictures from above after take off are just stunning.
I too was somewhat surprised to see EK at VCE. Bet it was a nice sight.
Happy flying
Infodesk
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
FLIEGER67 From Georgia, joined Sep 2003, 4387 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7113 times:
Hey, good to follow more comments.
@Hannah:
Quoting Infodesk (Reply 15): Another successful trip for your log. It was a good job you could use your miles for the AF legs, fares of 250E are just crazy.
Thank you and the fare on that route is definitely too high.
Quoting Infodesk (Reply 15): An unusal story with the inop toilet! It's not something you read about everyday, yet I think the solution was fair to all involved. Glad you were able to catch the rare E135 - although i think soon you'll have flown most of the aircraft types flying around Europe at present!!
No way with the aircraft types, still a lot to do!.
Quoting Infodesk (Reply 15): Venice certainly is a special place. You had lovely weather and I liked your option of taking the train and not the boat into the centre. The pictures from above after take off are just stunning.
Venice with nice weather and not that much tourists, for sure a good combination.
@Egil:
Quoting Egilsml (Reply 16): The Embraer E135 look so cute
And again great trip report!
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6968 times:
Great TR
Congrats on adding another type to your log. How many different types have you flown on?
Congrats on adding another type to your log. How many different types have you flown on?
Venice looks fantastic.
Thank you. I´ve never counted it this way, but I should do so, nevertheless a lot more to go.
Quoting B747forever (Reply 18): Doesn't X3 give that info on their drop down TVs?
Well, the system shows the detail´s, but in this case, the map disappeared short after my picture and was switched to the boring vid stuff.
@ Stefan:
Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 19): again a nice TR from your hand. I've been to Venice 17 or 18 years ago by bus. I think I should refresh my memories and go there by plane someday.
Thank you. Recommendable during low season, no way during high season.
FLIEGER67 From Georgia, joined Sep 2003, 4387 posts, RR: 57 Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6600 times:
@Chris:
Thanx a lot for your information.
While the Yak was in mind, but I wasn´t sure if it is still in scheduled pax service,
the FRJ is definitely a good target to correct my list.