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Now 4 , In Search Of My Next A380 Operator  
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
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Hello fellow A.NUTTERS, here is my latest report.



Forward

As some of you may be aware, I have been fortunate enough to travel on all 3 A380 operators, for 2 of them on the inaugural flights.

Despite not being that worried about travelling on the AF A380, the release of dates for the service got the better of me.

After much deliberation and constant checking of dates and fares for the flight to JFK I decided I wanted to get on her. Since booking a one way was expensive, I had to booked a return ticket with the return being a cheap sector as this would never be flown, at least by me.

The booking was made, it was august, the flight seemed an eternity away.

Booking was easy on the AF website & it allows you to reserve a seat, however at time of booking I could not allocate a window seat on the upper deck section of economy, it only seemed to show a couple of rows and they were all occupied, so I dropped a line to one of our much respected and loved A.NET members, you know who you are – thanks for securing that window seat for me  Smile

As a note, AF changed the aircraft numerous times before I booked, at first it looked like I could secure my 1st A318 flight, however this changed to a 319, then an ATR42 appeared, which I booked, this was later upgraded to an ATR72.

I had no intention of returning with AF, this had to be a same day trip so to speak, returning same day to London, just the same as the EK inaugural A380 flight I took in 2008 with Roni.

Now I looked at getting back from JFK, I initially planned to take LX via ZRH to experience their new A330-300 fleet, however the fares were crazy money and I lacked sufficient FF miles in my bmi account to get me back in business – business on the return flight was a minimum standard as the outbound was in economy, not something I am used to on a long flight anymore. After much searching a cheap one-way J fare appeared on Delta, $900 one way! – Booked there and then, what a steal!

I’m not keen on the Delta website, it seems fussy and slow, however I do like the ability to see which seats are free before making a booking.

Out of curiosity I kept track on the AF & DL fares for the dates I booked, I’ve never seen so much variance of fares, they seemed to change almost daily, mostly the prices went up, however the AF fare dropped below what I paid the day before I flew.

The day finally arrives!



27.11.09
AF2081 LHR-CDG
F100 F-GNLK – 3A Economy
1st Flight on this aircraft & 4th F100 Flight
SCH DEP 08:20 SCH ARR 10:50
ACT DEP 08:33 ACT ARR 10:32


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My lovely wife dropped me off at Heathrow’s Terminal 4 around 7am.
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This was my first visit to T4 since February when I flew out on the QF A380 service to SIN, the upgrade works to the terminal exterior and interior are excellent, it’s an amazing transformation from the dark and gloomy place it used to be, well done BAA!
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Being quite knackered I decided to get in line at the AF ticket desk to look at upgrading to Business, after 10 minutes I gave up and headed to check-in, seems system problems were slowing them down.

The self service check-in machine would not work on my booking so I got in line to get served by a real person, however a ‘helpful’ AF agent pulled me out and insisted she could get me checked in at a machine, she could not, so she put me in the ‘special assistance’ queue. I’d only been in line for 30 seconds or so when a helpful chap pulled me aside to check-me in at his pc, all done nice and easy. I noted there were some 49 empty J seats on AF006 so decided to try the AF ticket desk again.

I guess I waited 5 minutes before getting to the front, explained what I wanted and was advised I would have to upgrade the entire itinerary, I told her that was pretty inflexible, said thanks and walked off to security. AF are seem to be missing a trick on last minute upgrades IMO.

Security was pretty quick and quite painless, managed to keep my shoes on, always a joy!

T4 airside has not seen the improvements that landside has seen yet, still quite gloomy with a fair amount of work going on in places.
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Time had got away with me, picked up a paper and headed to Starbucks for a fix and a muffin or something but the queue was huge so gave up and headed to the gate, it was number 20 for this morning’s flight.

Picture en-route.
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At the gate:-
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The boarding call came at 07:53, I and the other passengers headed to the podium and then down the jetway, out onto the tarmac for the short walk to the plane.
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My window is in poor shape
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Good legroom
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Boarding complete I moved to 2A as I had a seat mate who seemed keen to stay in his seat and not move to the 2 empty seats in the row ahead – some people are odd!
Outside
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Today’s load was light, perhaps 50% or just over

Push occurred at 08:33 and we headed out to 27L
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a short hold for a BA320 and wheels up @ 08:45.
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M25 was quiet today, makes a change
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Scratches on the window
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It’s been a few years since my last F100 flights, these with AA on the ORD-ATL-ORD sector, I’d forgotten how quiet the plane is, at least towards the front.

The interior was in pretty good shape, seats were comfortable and the plane was clean but there was no hiding the dated interior, deep sidewalls, yellowing light fittings and the beige looking walls and overheads, it was like a blast from the past!
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Service today consisted of a drink and a pasty of your choice, I took a pan au chocolate, it went down well as it was long past my breakfast time.
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The rest of the flight was uneventful.
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GNLK touched down ahead of schedule at 10:32 local time
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and headed to the usual parking area the Regional type planes occupy
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Transfer to the terminal via bus, always like this, good for some spotting and even pictures during the ramp tour.
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Off the bus and into a terminal, the FIDS indicated AF006 would depart from gate 61 in terminal 2E, I decided to head straight over to be in the right place and get in a little spotting.
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The bus in effect leaves you landside to security has to be cleared again, at least if heading to 2E.

It took 40 minutes from landing to get airside again and that was without any queue at security, I think I got it at the right time. AF were offering a 60 minute connection to this flight on one of the London flights, I’d not risk taking that one.

The reason for the trip
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Whilst airside a did a bit of spotting and went to the AF service desks to again look at upgrading just the CDG-JFK sector, both service desks were closed airside, no way I was going to bother going through security again so decided to stick with my economy seat.

Closed AF service desk:-
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Here are a few pictures from 2E:-
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27.11.09
AF006 CDG-JFK
A380-861 F-HPJA – 85A Economy Upper Deck
1st Flight on this aircraft & 4th A380 Flight
SCH DEP 13:30 SCH ARR 15:45
ACT DEP 13:58 ACT ARR 16:14


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Boarding started at 13:48, but it took another 9 minutes until the first passengers were actually allowed to board the plane, I guess the plane/crew were not ready at that point?
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Boarding for the upper deck was pretty easy as this is shared with Business class passengers, they share the same entry door on the upper deck, though they have different queue areas prior to boarding.
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En route to my seat I took a few pictures of Business Class:-
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I have to say I’m not that impressed, the space between the seats is not that great, as with many airline J seats, the window passengers will have trouble getting to the isle if their neighbour is sleeping.
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First row in economy on the upper deck
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Here are a few pictures of my seat and the cabin:-
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Outside
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I had hoped the seat next to me would be empty, it was not to be, I got a Spanish seat mate, however she was quite nice. Her husband was in Business Class, poor woman was stuck in economy – later she was invited to Business for a few hours since it was quite empty, however she never received anything more than water whilst there, come one AF, have a heart!

You could tell this was a new plane for AF, it almost reminded me of a first flight experience on SQ380 just over 2 years ago, so many people taking pictures of pretty much everything!, as was I , I felt like I was a kid with a new toy, I know, silly really.

It was quite evident we had a full flight due to the long boarding period, finally it ended and we pushed back off stand @ 13:58 – I’d never had known if I’d not been looking out of the window, so smooth, never felt anything.
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The aircraft taxied out to a far runway, a few shots along the way:-
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Mood lighting as we taxi
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Our turn came
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wheels up @ 14:21.
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Climb was the usual slow relaxing climb but a bit bumpy this time, first time I’ve experienced this on the 380, normally they feel smooth as silk.
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Banking above the cloud
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I have to repeat my experience of the EK 380, I’m sure these EA engines make more noise than the RR units, though she is still amazingly quiet when compared to a 747 or 777, so much so you actually forget about engine noise and end up annoyed as neighbours around you make too much noise!
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I like the camera options
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Map
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Not long after departure the crew were released, amenity packs which include headsets for the IFE were handed out
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as were menus for today’s meal service when the drinks service started
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The drinks came with a little pack of black olive cracker things, quite nice actually.
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I decided to do some work for A.NET at this stage:-
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Upper Deck economy
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Rear door on the rear deck
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Last economy cabin on the lower deck
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Toilet sink
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Pretty soon the meal service started
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I liked the idea of the chicken but am not keen on coconut so had to take the pasta, makes a change as I never choose pasta on a plane.
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The starter was nice, the main ok but desert was pretty poor, tough as old boots and broke up when you managed to get into it, shame as presentation wise it looked pretty good
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Not sure the point of the smoothie, seems an odd offering for this time of day.

Lots of cloud outside today
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Tea/coffee and digestives were served afterwards when the trays were removed, I asked for a G&T & was promised it when the trays were clear, the FA was true to her word, good stuff!

My seat mate headed forward at this stage so I was free to come and go as I pleased.

Cabin in flight
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I took a quick flick through the IFE offerings, seemed pretty ok, should keep most people amused who can’t read, numerous films, tv series and other bits and bobs, the best bit of course are the maps and camera features.

I went back to the galley for some red wine to drink whilst reading my book, however they had run out, so I took a G&T instead. The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Starting to feel tired I stuck on Paloma Faith’s album, if you’ve not hear of her have a look, great voice and songs, really great new artist!
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Along with a little sleep I took some pictures en route to JFK:-
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The pre-arrival snack service began around 2 hours prior to arrival, a tiny sandwich, some cracker things, OK & Actimel, why Actimel, seems an odd thing to offer, along with OJ and then tea/coffee service.
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I have to say the crew where pretty good with interaction with passengers and prompt clearance of the meal trays, always one of my pet peeves.
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Descent to JFK starts:-
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Not beach weather today
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Mood lighting during descent
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Closer
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Almost there
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Touch down @ 16:14 local time.
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The aircraft had a short taxi to the gate area, the had to wait to be towed onto stand, attachment of the jetways seemed to take an age
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Next door
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once off I cleared immigration just under an hour after landing, quite pleased with that.

Rang the wife and headed to the Jet train to take me to JFK T4 where my Delta Airlines flight would depart from later that night.

Picture enroute
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Final Comments:-

All in all I enjoyed my Air France flights, the aircraft were clean, crews pretty good, food was ok.

Travelling longhaul economy is not something I am used to these days, however this flight was ok & I’d consider it again on AF A380, though not on flights of more than 6 or 7 hours.

The one thing that stands out is ground operations, they need to throw a few more staff at it, to have 2 service desks in the terminal unattended is unacceptable in my book.



27.11.09
DL001 JFK-LHR
767-432ER N830MH – 3A Business Class
1st Flight on this aircraft & 31st 767 Flight (2nd -400)
SCH DEP 22:05 SCH ARR 10:35
ACT DEP 22:42 ACT ARR 10:30


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The Jet Train is very easy to use to get around JFK, I just wish it had been lighter, might have made a few more planes whilst getting to T4, in fact if lighter I would have spent a few hours on it!

This would be my first longhaul on Delta since 1993 when I flew DL99 & DL98, Tristar 500’s on the LGW>MIA>LGW route.
FID
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Check-in areas
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Got in line at the Delta check-in area, actually I was first in line but seemed to be ignored by the only free agent, who then called forward a bunch of economy passengers with tonnes of bags, how’s that for Delta service, look after your premium passengers, not!

Another agent became free and I was quickly checked in and advised where the lounge was located.

I did a quick bit of shopping
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then headed to the lounge for a shower.
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The lounge is ok, but shared by several airlines Given LHR is a flagship route for Delta I would have expected them to run it out of their main terminal to afford premium passengers a proper Delta lounge, or is the Oasis lounge better than Delta’s lounges @ JFK?
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Regardless, grabbed a shower, note there is only one, thankfully there was nobody ahead of me for it.

Feeling more alive I sat down, grabbed some food, they have a selection of hot & cold food, not bad really, enough to keep you amused for a few hours
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grabbed a cold beer and relaxed before continuing with this TR.
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The lounge was pretty quiet to start but started to fill up from later on. There are some great apron views from here
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however a November evening is not the right time for spotting, but I still made a few. I think the best one was the Avianca 319, very nice indeed!

I left the lounge about 21:15
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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18196 times:

Great report Mark as usual, althogh I think most of the DL flight got cut off. AF really seems to have missed the boat with the A380, QF business and EK/SQ economy definitely had some wow factor compared to that especially blah AF J product you pictured. I believe they put old F in too.

EK Y was actually very very nice, and the flat QF seats too in J.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Sign of the times in Y? AY just cut even beer in Euro Y, CX got grumpy after my 3rd G&T on AMS-HKG, reluctantly gave me a fourth and said next one at breakfast if you want. " Three only" repeated on HKG-BKK. Turkish (which I fly a lot these days), depends on the crew... But more than 5 drinks in Y (Incl the meal wine...ridiculous) just seems not to happen these days.

Regards,

Lari



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5138 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18081 times:

Hey, Mark,

what a nice Sunday afternoon read.
Checking A.net for something new and you´re long discussed AF A380 story is finally online.

It seems there is something missing with the return Delta part.

Nevertheless a great read and I hope you will fix it soon to catch also the return story.

So, me without any leg on these magic machine looking also for something like this next year.

Best wishes,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17053 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17972 times:

Very nice TR.

Love how you just fly to JFK only to return back to LHR a few hours later. Do you feel jet lagged after the flights?

AF's service looks pretty standard.

Seems that you have cut out the DL flight.


Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineAkhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17944 times:

Hi Mark,

I have been waiting for this trip report. It definitely lives up to my expectation. Very well detailed with a lot of beautiful pictures!

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
I got a Spanish seat mate, however she was quite nice. Her husband was in Business Class, poor woman was stuck in economy

I wouldn't dare saddling my partner with such an experience.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
CX got grumpy after my 3rd G&T on AMS-HKG, reluctantly gave me a fourth and said next one at breakfast if you want.

Not quite impressive for a so called 5 star airline.

Thanks for sharing, Mark. How about your DL experience?

Cheers,
Suryo



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17850 times:
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Hmm, seems most of the Delta fligh is missing, perhaps the post was too big, I'll get it added, bear with me, have to start it again!

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17784 times:

Hola Mark!

Thanks for sharing your experiences in A380s.... you must be an expert by now. I guess you are already looking forward to flying the LH.... it seems it is going to be delayed, so do not panic; you will make it sooner or later.

It seems the flight was OK, nothing spectacular, doesn't it?

I have never heard of that thing you mentioned about counting the drinks you take, I am sorry for the crew; BTW, how do they keep track of that? I usually get very thirsty on long hauls... so when flying AF I'd bring along some bottles of water, just in case.

Salut!

Roger



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17767 times:
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27.11.09
DL001 JFK-LHR
767-432ER N830MH – 3A Business Class
1st Flight on this aircraft & 31st 767 Flight (2nd -400)
SCH DEP 22:05 SCH ARR 10:35
ACT DEP 22:42 ACT ARR 10:30

So continuing from where I got cut off!

I left the lounge about 21:15 just in case security was a little slow, alas it was not, gate 20 where DL001 would depart from is just to the right once you pass security, it was showing a 20 minute delay so I decided to take a quick walk down the concourse to waste some time, here a a few pictures along the way.
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Back at the gate & found a seat opposite the gate area, whilst there one of the agents advised the delay was due to strong tailwinds, so rather than arriving too far ahead of schedule they decided to delay departure, makes sense since Heathrow is busy in the morning, if fact most of the time!
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Boarding was called @ 21;48 for Business and Delta premium FF members, I was about the 5th or so to board.

This is the best picture I could get of the plane:-
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Greeted at the door by a friendly FA and headed down to my seat.
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Each seat had a large pillow, quilted style duvet and an amenity kit.
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Here is the kit at home, no socks here as I wore them on the plane.
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Initial view of the cabin were of it being quite open, reasonably bright due to the lightish blue leather on the seats, light grey plastics & of course the 777 style overhead bins which are just fantastic compared to the usual 767 bins.
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Socks

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Another observation, this was the youngest crew of FA’s I have ever seen on an international flight by a US carrier, I would say most were less than 30, did seniority kick in and the oldies take the weekend off for Thanksgiving?

Menu’s were distributed followed by newspapers then Champagne or OJ & a small bottle of water. I very much doubt it actually was Champagne, most likely sparkling wine, was ghastly stuff, never had seconds - though it was not offered anyway.
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Dinner orders were taken at some point, I decided to take the Salmon & the Greek Salad to start with the Beef as the main.

Delta play boarding music & after the song tell you who was singing it, is this a revenue stream?- it’s quite loud and today was a sort of cross between country & pop, not unpleasant but it just seemed a little out of place, how about something a bit more soothing? especially at this late hour.

The front office came on and announced a slight delay as one of the radios was not working, thankfully it was fixed, we pushed back off stand @ 22:42.
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I don’t have a any other pictures of the taxi out, my camera while small and light is excellent except it is really rubbish in low light – a Sony DSC-T9, can anyone suggest something small but good with low light pictures, I don’t like carting my big Canon around on short trip like this.
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Given the late departure time, taxi to the active was pretty short, 17 minutes later we were airbourne.
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Somebody get maintenacne to fix that fitting!
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30 minutes after takeoff hot towels were handed out and I mean hot!

It was almost another 15 minutes before drink orders were taken, when they arrived you also received a small bowl of warmed nuts. I quite like the nuts being served in a bowl, nicer than arriving in a bag and you don’t get the bits of dust over you from the bottom of the packet as you try and get that last nut out.
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Despite the late hour, the meal service seemed to take an age to start, I must have been on my 3rd glass of red wine by the time the starter arrived, the red was good as was the started – the crew were excellent in keeping glasses full.
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Thankfully the main arrived shortly after the empty started plates had removed,
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The beans with red onion were excellent as was the mash, the beef was good but a bit too red for my liking, so much so I did not finish it, my fault, I should have advised how I wanted it cooked.

I declined desert, put the seat into bed mode and dropped off into some much needed sleep.
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Woke up, about 1.5 hours prior to arrival, the crew were already looking around to see who was awake and wanted breakfast, quick trip to the restroom and I was ready – BTW, the fake wood floor look in the bathrooms looks tacky.

Breakfast consisted of fresh fruit, Hone & Oats Granola, an actimal type thing and warms breads, I ate the fruit and a warm raisen bread thing & washed it down with a cup of Green Tea, Delta do offer teas from a box which I though was nice, but I had my own which I’m quite happy with.
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The landscape below us:-
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We were now 30 or so minutes out of Heathrow, the crew announced the return to your seat drill etc, I think they should give a 10-15 minute warning so people can use the bathrooms to freshen up etc. I ignore this as did many others, you could tell by the queue for the bathrooms.

I headed down to see if economy was quicker, it sure was, there can’t have been more than 30 passengers down back, I though boarding was completed quickly last night! As a note, Business was a little over half full.
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Heathrow in the distance
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Back to the seat and enjoying the scenery, I apologies for lack of pictures, but my window had some kind of crazing or something on it, when facing the direction of the sun visibility out was terrible.
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Approach over London
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N830MH touched down on 27R @ 10:30 local time.

Heating towards the T4
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Almost there, not much activity here!
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The jebridge was attached to the second door, so behind Business Class, as a result great many of the ‘few’ economy passengers were off the plane before Business.

Immigration was super quick, I was outside the terminal & heading to the car just 23 minutes after landing, quite impressive.

Final Comments:-

Despite being quite tired I enjoyed my Delta longhaul experience, though the check-in experience was not great.

The crews were friendly, food pretty good, seat comfortable, plenty of working space around you, all in all not a bad product.

One thing, speed service up on these late departures, some of us want to eat but also want to maximise the sleep time too.

All in all, not bad, if the price difference vs BA was good, I’d happily book Delta based on this flight.

Trust you enjoyed, feel free to drop comments and questions.

Kind Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17662 times:
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Hi gang, thanks for the reads and comments so far.

Not quite sure what happend to the Delta report, it was all there when I did the final preview before posting, anyway, did it again so you can see that sector too.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
Great report Mark as usual

- Thanks Lari

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
I think most of the DL flight got cut off

- Yes, not happy, took a while to do.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
AF really seems to have missed the boat with the A380, QF business and EK/SQ economy definitely had some wow factor compared to that especially blah AF J product you pictured. I believe they put old F in too.

- Agreed, its pretty standard, nothing spectial at all. As you say, the J product is blah and yes, I think the F product is not new.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
EK Y was actually very very nice

- It does look ok, not sure I'd want to travel DXB-JFK or SYD in it though, just too long.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
and the flat QF seats too in J.

- Agreed, decent seats, slightly bland cabin though.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 1):
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Sign of the times in Y? AY just cut even beer in Euro Y, CX got grumpy after my 3rd G&T on AMS-HKG, reluctantly gave me a fourth and said next one at breakfast if you want. " Three only" repeated on HKG-BKK. Turkish (which I fly a lot these days), depends on the crew... But more than 5 drinks in Y (Incl the meal wine...ridiculous) just seems not to happen these days.

- Interesting observations, not thought of that.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
what a nice Sunday afternoon read.

- Thanks Markus  Smile

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
It seems there is something missing with the return Delta part.

- Don't remind me!

Perhaps we will manage the LH 380 next year?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Very nice TR.

- Thanks, good to see you are still lurking, not seen a report folr a while.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Love how you just fly to JFK only to return back to LHR a few hours later. Do you feel jet lagged after the flights?

- No, don't seem to suffer from it.

Quoting Akhmad (Reply 4):
I have been waiting for this trip report. It definitely lives up to my expectation. Very well detailed with a lot of beautiful pictures!

- Thanks, kind words Suryo.

Quoting Akhmad (Reply 4):
Thanks for sharing, Mark. How about your DL experience?

- No online  Smile

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 6):
Thanks for sharing your experiences in A380s.... you must be an expert by now

- Ha, thanks Roger  Smile

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 6):
I guess you are already looking forward to flying the LH.... it seems it is going to be delayed, so do not panic; you will make it sooner or later.

- Yes, I want to get on this one, if LH are true to form it will be on the FRA-MUC run.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 6):
It seems the flight was OK, nothing spectacular, doesn't it?

- Stop on, flight was OK, I think the next 'special' A380's will be those of QR & EY.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 6):
I have never heard of that thing you mentioned about counting the drinks you take, I am sorry for the crew; BTW, how do they keep track of that? I usually get very thirsty on long hauls... so when flying AF I'd bring along some bottles of water, just in case.

- Not sure how they keep track of it, seems big brother is watching us all.

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineAkhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2438 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17590 times:

Hi again Mark,

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):
No online

Nice follow up with great pictures. DL seems to have a decent J product. Their J interior reminds me somehow on the one of LX.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 7):
I had my own which I’m quite happy with.

Do you mind sharing your favorite?  wink 

Thanks again.

Cheers,
Suryo



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17053 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17588 times:

Good continuation of the trip report.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 7):
Woke up, about 1.5 hours prior to arrival, the crew were already looking around to see who was awake and wanted breakfast,

Doesnt DL ask before everyone goes to sleep whether they would like to be awaken for breakfast or not?


Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineDLATL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17542 times:

You and I were on the same flight! I just posted my J report a few below yours.

User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5138 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17518 times:

Hey, Mark,

well done continuation with the DL sector, another good read surrounded by detailed pix.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):
Perhaps we will manage the LH 380 next year?

Something like this!.

Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17475 times:

Hi Mark,

great report, very enjoyable, I had been waiting for this one. AF's A380 interior is far from being as impressive as EK's or SQ's. And it's quite disappointing that AF has opted for that kind of airshow.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
As a note, AF changed the aircraft numerous times before I booked, at first it looked like I could secure my 1st A318 flight, however this changed to a 319, then an ATR42 appeared, which I booked, this was later upgraded to an ATR72.

Quite surprising to see ATRs being used between LHR and CDG.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
I’m not keen on the Delta website, it seems fussy and slow, however I do like the ability to see which seats are free before making a booking.

I found the website quite ok, but yes, it can be a bit slow.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
It took 40 minutes from landing to get airside again and that was without any queue at security, I think I got it at the right time. AF were offering a 60 minute connection to this flight on one of the London flights, I’d not risk taking that one.

No, wouldn't take that risk either.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
First row in economy on the upper deck

Not a good place it seems...

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
so much so you actually forget about engine noise and end up annoyed as neighbours around you make too much noise!

Yes, that can't happen on the magnificent 777!  Wink

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Wow, quite a bad surprise.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The pre-arrival snack service began around 2 hours prior to arrival, a tiny sandwich, some cracker things, OK & Actimel, why Actimel, seems an odd thing to offer, along with OJ and then tea/coffee service.

Who knows, maybe Danone made a good offer to AF...  Wink


PH



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Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17473 times:
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Quoting Akhmad (Reply 9):
Nice follow up with great pictures. DL seems to have a decent J product

- Thanks Suryo, yes, I was pleasently suprised with the product, needs a bit of tweaking but was pretty good.

Quoting Akhmad (Reply 9):
Do you mind sharing your favorite?

- Oh it's just a Twinings Green Tea, light & delicate, nice as no bitter taste like some green teas.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 7):
Woke up, about 1.5 hours prior to arrival, the crew were already looking around to see who was awake and wanted breakfast,

Doesnt DL ask before everyone goes to sleep whether they would like to be awaken for breakfast or not?

- Not sure, if so, not that I saw.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17403 times:

Hi Mark,

I really enjoyed your TR. Wasn't aware about your A380 already so short after the delivery. Was this the day that the JFK-CDG flight returned to JFK after take-off due malfunctioning of the autopilot?

Although I would also try to get seats on this little upperdeck, which indeed gives a good feeling, I dislike the cabin layout. AF could've done better with their new flagship. So, a bit of dissappointment here. Said that, this Y-class looks good enough for the US bound flight. Is this seatpitch better then generally on B744/B777 aircraft? And, I like the side-bins for your stuff, B744 upperdeck style. Very handy!

btw, about that 'big brother drink case'. I know that the airline I work for, actually keeps note on passengers bahaviour on board. I found this out myself when checking a galley inflight. The cabin plan is printed on A4 papers and they track times of food and beverage orders. Maybe in case passengers get drunk? Or get ill? I asked later on, but got no answer about this issue  Wink

On my AA JFK-LHR flight I used a lot more drinks, and never heard a complaint from the crew. Even got my full 33cl can of cranberry juice just 20 minutes before landing. I was really pleased by that.

DL's product looks good indeed, but I personally don't like the blue seats. Service looks fine though, but the menu cards a bit cheap. You told me before about that great fare; I really have to keep an eye on those... maybe I will be lucky too someday.
btw, does AF allow you not to use half way of your cheap Y class ticket?

PS - can I join on that LH A380?  Wink

Regards,
Eric



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User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17353 times:

Thanks for posting Mark, great report with some great pics!

T4 looks very impressive now, well at least the Check in area does, very nice!

I managed to shoot the DL aircraft you flew in on departing LHR.

Matt


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8507 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17305 times:
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Hi All, thanks for your comments and observations,

Quoting DLATL777 (Reply 11):
You and I were on the same flight! I just posted my J report a few below yours

- I'll make a point to read it!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
well done continuation with the DL sector, another good read surrounded by detailed pix.

- Thanks Marcus  Smile

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 12):
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):
Perhaps we will manage the LH 380 next year?

Something like this!.

- Souunds great!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
great report, very enjoyable, I had been waiting for this one. AF's A380 interior is far from being as impressive as EK's or SQ's. And it's quite disappointing that AF has opted for that kind of airshow.

- Oh yes, the EK airshow is great, very impressive.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Quite surprising to see ATRs being used between LHR and CDG.

- I know, remember when AF flew the A300 on this route!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
so much so you actually forget about engine noise and end up annoyed as neighbours around you make too much noise!

Yes, that can't happen on the magnificent 777!

- Never was anything so true!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Wow, quite a bad surprise.

- Yes, not a welcome one either  Sad

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The pre-arrival snack service began around 2 hours prior to arrival, a tiny sandwich, some cracker things, OK & Actimel, why Actimel, seems an odd thing to offer, along with OJ and then tea/coffee service.

Who knows, maybe Danone made a good offer to AF...

- Who knows!? Maybe..

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
I really enjoyed your TR

- Thanks Eric  Smile

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
Wasn't aware about your A380 already so short after the delivery

- Sorry, thought I'd advised you all, however it was back in august, ?

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
Was this the day that the JFK-CDG flight returned to JFK after take-off due malfunctioning of the autopilot?

- Yes, sure was, found out when I got home.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
Although I would also try to get seats on this little upperdeck, which indeed gives a good feeling, I dislike the cabin layout. AF could've done better with their new flagship. So, a bit of dissappointment here. Said that, this Y-class looks good enough for the US bound flight. Is this seatpitch better then generally on B744/B777 aircraft? And, I like the side-bins for your stuff, B744 upperdeck style. Very handy!

- Those side bins are excellent. Not sure on seatpitch, but I imagine they are the same on the 744/777 fleet?

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
btw, about that 'big brother drink case'. I know that the airline I work for, actually keeps note on passengers bahaviour on board. I found this out myself when checking a galley inflight. The cabin plan is printed on A4 papers and they track times of food and beverage orders. Maybe in case passengers get drunk? Or get ill? I asked later on, but got no answer about this issue

- Interesting, good idea however everybody has a different tollerence to drink....

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
DL's product looks good indeed, but I personally don't like the blue seats

- Agreed, the blue is a little too light for my taste.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
does AF allow you not to use half way of your cheap Y class ticket?

- No, it was a cheap no refund type with no changes at all once the first leg has flown.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 15):
PS - can I join on that LH A380?

- Sure can Eric  Smile

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 16):
Thanks for posting Mark, great report with some great pics!

- Thanks Matt, glad you enjoyed.

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 16):
T4 looks very impressive now, well at least the Check in area does, very nice!

- Yes, a vast improvement.

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 16):
I managed to shoot the DL aircraft you flew in on departing LHR.

- She is one of 7 with the new Business Cabin so she is a real regular to LHR.



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User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17275 times:



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 17):
She is one of 7 with the new Business Cabin so she is a real regular to LHR.

Forgot to add it was yesterday, so would have been the return leg of your flight, but off to ATL instead


User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17188 times:

Hi Mark,

It was great to read about your AF A380-experience - you are somehow becoming a real A380-expert! Great pictures of your flights as well - thanks for posting them here!

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
This was my first visit to T4 since February when I flew out on the QF A380 service to SIN, the upgrade works to the terminal exterior and interior are excellent, it’s an amazing transformation from the dark and gloomy place it used to be, well done BAA!

It looks very nice and modern indeed - the ceiling elements remind of the arrivals facilities in T5. I haven't visited T4 for ages so your pictures were interesting for me.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The boarding call came at 07:53, I and the other passengers headed to the podium and then down the jetway, out onto the tarmac for the short walk to the plane.

It is always nice to enter an aircraft the "real" way without a jet-bridge - at least as long as it isn't raining.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
I like the camera options

Great features indeed.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
I headed down to see if economy was quicker, it sure was, there can’t have been more than 30 passengers down back, I though boarding was completed quickly last night! As a note, Business was a little over half full.

Not an impressive load factor for such an important route. But maybe this city pair is dominated by BA who offer a much larger amount of flights with (nearly) any possible airport combination.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineAirbusa322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17018 times:

What was the load on the AF A380?

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16982 times:

Just to add to the discussion... Of course my 45-kg weighing ex wife got drunk on KQ J after 5 glasses of champagne. But to deny a decent sized guy a 4th gin tonic is pathetic.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):
- Agreed, decent seats, slightly bland cabin though.

Of course, I hate the design. But bloody comfy to sleep in as the locals would say. Very nice amenity kits and sleep suits too. It was better than BA J comfort wise by a million miles I thought.

Regards,

Lari

Ps. Next up PR EconoLight CEBMNL... with a cancelled Z2 MNLCRK. Already hate the thought of it. So 76E on an A333 and a bus, ahh great.



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User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16829 times:

I very nearly settled down with a mug of tea and a blanket reading this - excellent report!!! Wonderful detail and pictures. I enjoyed every word. The A380 experience looked great. Can't wait until I get a trip on one!

User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 943 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Hi Mark

Thanks for this wonderful trip report and glad to see that you continue irresistibly collecting A380 trips  Wink as I (hopefully) will too by the end of the year. I am surprised however that this was done in Y, as I imagined you to be a J class stalwart... hehe. Still, it's an interesting pointer for what to expect and avoid on AF. Thanks again and congratulations!

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
As a note, AF changed the aircraft numerous times before I booked, at first it looked like I could secure my 1st A318 flight, however this changed to a 319, then an ATR42 appeared, which I booked, this was later upgraded to an ATR72.

And you ended up on an F100? Was that final change an unscheduled one or did you know in advance? Interesting though that AF is putting a turboprop with no J class on the LHR/CDG route during a morning flight.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
Transfer to the terminal via bus, always like this, good for some spotting and even pictures during the ramp tour.

These are always nice, thanks for the tour pics.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
Boarding for the upper deck was pretty easy as this is shared with Business class passengers, they share the same entry door on the upper deck, though they have different queue areas prior to boarding.

Glad you managed to snag a seat upstairs. The SQ A380 upper deck economy cabin feels a lot more exclusive in many respects than downstairs... did you get that feeling on AF?

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about??

Wow, they're counting your drinks now in Y class? AF also advertised some self service bars... did you get to see them? Did they exist?


Regards,
airpearl


User currently offlineA1ring23 From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16312 times:

Hi Mark,

Interesting TR, very different from your other set of TRs, but nonetheless very enjoyable.
Enjoyed your minimalistic yet sharp comments.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
My window is in poor shape

Hate that, tend to move quickly if there is space.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
I went back to the galley for some red wine to drink whilst reading my book, however they had run out, so I took a G&T instead. The FA told me this was my last drink as I had already had one after the meal service – what is this about?? If I was looking like I’d had too much fine, but please, 4 drinks!

Wow, never had this before, even on domestic Y flights.

Quoting BA319-131 (Thread starter):
can anyone suggest something small but good with low light pictures

Try a Canon IXUS, maybe a 100IS or 120IS, very very good cameras. The 100IS is absolutely TINY!

Seems like the J product on the AF380 seems pretty weak, legroom looked average. What were the Y loads like?

Looking forward to some more TRs over the xmas holiday break!

Regards,
Pete



Where's the accelerometer on this thing?
25 OA412 : Always enjoy reading your reports! That is, in fact, the plan. While I cannot remember the actual date, it was mentioned in another thread that LHR an
26 Ojas : Hi Mark, amazing TR! The pictures were really good. Good to know your A380 count is increasing, I believe LH should be your next target . Myself and a
27 BA319-131 : Hi folks, thanks for your reads and comments - I think Thanksgiving had something to do with the low loads. - Not sue on F, J was less than 50%, Y was
28 OA260 : Great report Mark. Glad you got the upper deck as pre reserved. Wouldnt recognise T4 now! The meal looks ok I love Coconut so would have gone for tha
29 FlyingFinn76 : Hi Mark, Nice work to catch another A380 and an entertaining read as well. I agree with the earlier comments that the AF product looks very bland, bot
30 NZ107 : Hi Mark, Another great read. Thanks for sharing! And great pics again to accompany. I'd sure love to have that as a policy of my own as well.. But the
31 FlyKev : Absolutely fantastic trip report. Great style of writing and an enjoyable selection of pictures - Thank you for sharing. I am glad you enjoyed your fl
32 Directorguy : Thank you for sharing this elaborate and sumptuous TR. Reading it was like a feast for the eyes and senses. I'm definately bookmarking this one to rea
33 BA319-131 : - Thanks Philip - Me too! - I know, looks amazing. - The chicken did look better I must admit. - Hmm, still not impressed! - Thanks - It is, but I do
34 Ronerone : Hey Mark! Thanks for a great A380-Marathon TR! I was anxiously waiting for this specific one, let alone, any new BA319-131 TR The AF A380 seems very a
35 BA319-131 : - You are too kind Roni! - I think that is a fair assessment, the next 'impressive' A380 cabin is likely to be Etihad IMO. - Could well be, I also th
36 Shamrock321 : A most enjoyable report, great pictures aswell.
37 WA707atMSP : Thank you for another excellent trip report! Did Air France pass out a "1st AF A380" certificate, or anything else, to passengers on your flight, or w
38 Lukeyboy95 : Hi Mark, Very much enjoyed your latest Trip Report - always a fan of the detail you put in. Business does look a little penned in, but economy doesn't
39 BA319-131 : - Thanks for the note, glad you enjoyed. - Thanks for reading, glad you enjoyed my trip - This was not a 1st flight so nothing was handed out. - Than
40 Ronerone : I hope so! .. That's definitely one im getting on! ... Those F suites are all that ive been dreaming about lately LOL. Maybe i'll join, if time permi
41 DLBOIFIN : Hi, Wonderful report, I truly enjoyed reading about your A380 experience. The YC seats looked almost bearable. Regarding the DL part, I strongly feel
42 BA319-131 : - I'll join you if I can, though it won't be in First! - Glad all is good, take care and I'm looking forward to the TR's BTW - Would be great if you
43 Anshuk : Hey, Mark! Absolutely brilliant TR, as usual! Small question though - The FIDS at JFK shows the destination for the AI flight as HYD! Is there a speci
44 BA319-131 : - Thanks, glad you enjoyed. - The flight terminates in HYD hence having the HYD code, I imagine the screen revolves around to show BOM too as this is
45 A1ring23 : I think what Airpearl said summed it up! I just thought your report was more subdued than usual - might have just been me. You let the pictures do mo
46 Anshuk : Ah, that makes sense now! Thanks for the clarification
47 Vio : Great pics and nice report. I can't wait to fly the A380. Now that it's flying from JFK to CDG, I should book a trip there, though I have to get from
48 BA319-131 : - Yes, I decided to reduce the text, I think I have too much text at times! + I was just knackered on the DL return flight, I was wishing for my food
49 FCA767 : But They do put a trolley full of drinks out for us economy passengers even on the A340 Amazing Report and pics
50 Infodesk : Hi Mark, Love it! Flying all that way on such a special aircraft to come back a few hours later- -just brilliant. Am so glad you had a successful trip
51 BA319-131 : - Thansk Hanna, sure did - Yes, seems their yeild mgmt dept needs kick in the right area, especially with so many seats going out empty in J. - She s
52 SQ_EK_freak : I feel as though this is more due to immigration facilities (or lack thereof) at Delta's main terminal more than anything else. I experienced somethi
53 Aces727 : Nice report. I really enjoyed reading it. Awesome photos! I feel the same way when I fly on AV's F100, I really dislike those wall panels and overhead
54 BA319-131 : -Sounds like we have a similar impression of them. Thanks for reading and you comments. - Thanks, glad you enjoyed. - Oh but feel the history - Er, n
55 Flightsimboy : Mark, is this going to become a trend for you . Is LH the next operator and will we be seeing similar reports from you as well. I noticed the picture
56 BA319-131 : - I hope so, though may have 'issues' with explaining to the wife the need to get on CZ's when that arrrives! - That's the plan - Really? I thought t
57 C8fromONT : Cheers to the Miller Lite!!
58 BA319-131 : - ? Sorry, did I miss something?
59 C8fromONT : You took a picture of you drinking a Miller Lite beer I was simply saying cheers to Miller Lite!!
60 BA319-131 : - Opps, got you now, Cheers!
61 Flightsimboy : I guess you did not read this at the end of my sentence LOL
62 BA319-131 : - Too much reading and not enough concentrating! Cheers Mark
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