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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 31388 times:
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-Sorry about the weird formatting. I had originally written this trip report in Notepad, and pasted it here, but for some reason, the paragraphs were all broken up.-

After weeks of planning and anticipation, it was finally time to begin my trip to England.
Since I had some luggage with me, I decided to use the Airport Express bus from
downtown to travel to the airport, instead of using the TTC, the public transit agency in
Toronto. After circling around various downtown hotels, the bus finally made its way
onto the Gardiner Expressway and Highway 427, arriving at the airport some 40-50
minutes after I had boarded the bus.

As soon as I arrived at the airport, I proceeded directly to the self-serve check-in kiosk,
where a friendly lady assisted me with printing my boarding pass. Since I was travelling
with my new laptop, I decided that it was wise to declare it at the customs desk (all the
way on the other side of the terminal!), to avoid potential trouble upon my return. After
I sorted that out, I proceeded directly to the U.S. preclearance checkpoint, which was a
breeze, and then through security.

I still had a couple of hours before my flight left. Knowing how boring Terminal 3 is on
the U.S. preclerance side, I just sat there patiently waiting for my flight to board. At my
gate, another Northwest Airlink CRJ was boarding for Minneapolis. It was quite
disheartening to see that all flights to DTW and MSP have been replaced by CRJs. I'm
sure YYZ spotters will miss the DC-9s.

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My boarding passes and passport

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My NW Airlink CRJ to DTW, still in the Bowling Shoe livery

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Surprised to see Air Canada at this side of the airport...

After a rather long wait, it was finally time to board my flight. As expected, my carry-on
had to be "gate-checked", since it won't fit in the overhead compartments.

Date: November 10th, 2009
Airline: Pinnacle Airlines dba Northwest Airlink/Delta Connection
Flight: 3956
Origin: Toronto - Lester B. Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ)
Destination: Detroit - Metropolitan/Wayne County International (DTW/KDTW)
Aircraft Type: CRJ-200

This was my first flight on the CRJ-200, and to be honest, I wasn't really looking forward
to it, as I had the impression that the CRJ-200 wasn't an aircraft particularly liked by
many flyers. Upon boarding the aircraft, I exchanged greetings with the sole flight
attendant on board the flight. After I got to my seat, I was disappointed at how low the
windows were positioned. I figured that I would get a sore neck after looking out of the
window for a while...

Pushback, taxi and takeoff was typical and uneventful. Not much to write about.

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Over Lake Ontario

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In-Flight Literature

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Light Snacks and Ginger Ale

Soon enough, the short hop to DTW was nearing its end. I must say that the CRJ was
more than tolerable for this flight, although I would have certainly appreciated a DC-9
or even an A319, both of which I have yet to fly on.

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Descending. Not sure which airport that is.

We arrived at DTW and parked at the smaller concourse that seemed to be dominated
by RJs, except for a Continental 737. It was clear who was the dominant airline at the
airport.

After exiting the plane, I went to the terminal map/directory to figure out how I should
spend my 4 hour layover at this magnificent airport. Since I was hungry, I decided to go
to Fuddruckers for a Hamburger and some Fries.

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MMMmmm...

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Flight Information-- shows my next flight, NW782

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Underground passage between the two concourses

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Amazing Terminal

I thoroughly enjoyed my 4 hour layover at DTW. Its modern, airy architecture and
plentiful facilities easily convinced me that this was my favorite airport in North
America. The people mover inside the terminal was brilliant. My only gripe would be the
window meshes that make photography of planes difficult.

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The plane that will be used for my flight to LHR

As the skies got darker, the time to board my flight was approaching. After calling
some family members, I made my way to the boarding gate. By the time I boarded, it
was already very dark outside.

Date: November 10th, 2009
Airline: Delta Air Lines/Northwest Airlines
Flight: 782
Origin: Detroit - Metropolitan/Wayne County International (DTW/KDTW)
Destination: London - Heathrow International Airport (LHR/EGLL)
Aircraft Type: 767-400ER - Ship 1806 - N830MH

The flight had a relatively light load, and most people, including me, had an empty seat
next to them.

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IFE Interface

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Tolerable seat pitch

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The safety demonstration was played, but it did not show on the PTVs. Only the audio
could be heard, and the flight attendants made a manual demonstration.
After a quick taxi to the runway, we left the ground and were on our way to LHR. After
a while, in-flight services commenced, first with a drink service:

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In-Flight meal- Chicken

The main dish, although rather small, tasted right. Unfortunately, the same cannot be
said about the salad or rough bun.

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Oops... got carried away with the milk and sugar in my tea...

After the tray tables were cleared of trays, the cabin lights were dimmed, and I
watched an episode of 30 Rock, followed by The Hangover (very entertaining film) on
Delta's excellent AVOD system.

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Had this happen on a lot of flights. Thankfully, the seat next to me was empty, and the
PTV for that seat was working. The friendly flight attendant offered to reset the IFE if
the problem persisted, but it eventually fixed itself.
After getting some shut-eye for a couple of hours, we were already approaching the
coast of Ireland. We had a very fast flight, and tailwinds were strong, going up to
270km/h at one point.

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Light breakfast prior to arrival

I was very impressed with the service on this flight. All of the flight attendants I have
encountered on the flight were very courteous and attentive. At least two of them kept
walking throughout the cabin with a large bottle of water and some cups, so that
passengers were kept hydrated. They were almost never out of sight. Thumbs up to
Delta!

Although Delta's IFE system was very nice, there were some faults with the moving
map.

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Something's definitely wrong here... (check the "Distance Traveled" part)

We were approaching into a foggy LHR, and hardly saw anything until the last couple of
minutes from touchdown. As we touched down, I already saw an impressive variety of
airlines there, including some exotic ones such as Cyprus Airways, which I never get to
see at my home airport. The SQ A380 was also there as well.
After our plane pulled into T4, I remained on the aircraft hoping for a chance to visit the
cockpit, and indeed, that chance came, thanks to the friendly crew on this flight.
Unfortunately, the visit was a rather short one as I was rushed out of the aircraft by
the ground crew.

My first impression of T4 at LHR wasn't that impressive... Narrow, poorly lit hallways
with inadequate signage ensured that I and some other passengers got lost, and we
had to ask for directions to the passport control/immigration area. The area looked like
it was under construction, and the ceiling revealed a lot of ductwork...
Overall, I was very impressed by Delta. I can't really think of anything to fault them on,
other than that the meal portions could be a bit bigger. IFE was a bit buggy, but then
again, when isn't it?

---

View from my hotel room at the Renaissance Heathrow:

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On my third day in England, I went to the Brooklands museum to see the Concorde and
meet fellow a.netter BlackProjects, who was very kind and showed me around the museum.

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Boarding Delta Golf

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Cabin of The Concorde

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Sultan of Oman's VC-10

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Interior of VC-10

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Viscount

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Viscount's cockpit

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Cabin

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Fuselage of G-ARVM, another VC-10



After spending a fantastic week in England, visiting London, Liverpool and Southport,
and seeing my dad for the first time in 3 years, it was time to head back to Toronto, this
time on KLM via Amsterdam.

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The KLM 737-800 that would take me to AMS.

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Date: November 16th, 2009
Airline: KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight: 1002
Origin: London - Heathrow International Airport (LHR/EGLL)
Destination: Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS/EHAM)
Aircraft Type: 737-800 - PH-BXN "Merel"

After I settled onto my seat, I had the pleasure of realizing that the seat next to me
would be empty. Having good luck so far with empty seats...
We pushed back and made a rather lengthy taxi to Runway 27R.

Flight video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80CpL2K-Fc8

My dad was at his hotel room at the Renaissance Hotel watching my plane take off, but
unfortunately he didn't film it.

Some very interesting cloud formations after takeoff:
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Breakfast:
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Service on this short flight was efficient, and some buns filled with cheese were served
along with juices.
After a quick hop across the channel, we were already on final approach to the
Polderbaan. Visibility seemed rather poor, and we didn't see the ground until the last
moments of the flight.

After landing, we had a VERY lengthy taxi to our gate. This was my second time visiting
AMS, and it was nice to see numerous planes wearing one of my favorite liveries. You
can probably figure out which one that is.
Upon disembarkation, I realized that I had enough time to visit the observation deck at
the airport, which is located beyond passport control, landside. Entering the country
was a swift process (unlike getting out of the country, which I will explain later...)

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Schiphol Plaza

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Control Tower

Views from the Observation deck:

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A330 in Delta colors

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KLM A330

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Privatair 737 arriving from IAH

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In case you didn't realize what livery I was referring to earlier as one of my favorites...

After spending around 30 minutes at the observation deck, I went back to the terminal
and headed to passport control (AMS has exit controls), where I was scrutinized by the
agent and put aside so that I could retrieve my e-ticket for the agent to see. Despite
seeing my Canadian passport, he wanted to know why I was headed for Toronto. He
took a long time closely examining my passport. Not that I mind, but it was interesting
that getting INTO the country was a much easier process than getting OUT of the
country, bound for my home country...

After that was sorted, I took advantage of the excellent shopping opportunities at the
airport, called "See Buy Fly", and bought a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label for my
frat brother.

AMS is a rather unique airport, and so far the only airport I've been to that has
individual security checkpoints at each gate. Not really sure what the advantages of
that setup was.

Date: November 16th, 2009
Airline: KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight: 691
Origin: Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS/EHAM)
Destination: Toronto - Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ)
Aircraft Type: 747-400M - PH-BFH "City of Hong Kong"

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KLM 747-400M (converted to full passenger configuration last year) PH-BFH "City of
Hong Kong" - taking me back home to Toronto. Notice the cool jetway... one of them
goes over the wing and is linked to door 4L!

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeiV9Yc6N5M

I boarded the plane through the second jetway, linked to Door 4L. I have never boarded
this way before. I settled into my seat, 55K, again having an empty seat next to me.

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View out of the window

The flight was rather full, and I was very fortunate to have an empty seat next to me.
Our flight was delayed due to some no-shows, as their luggage had to be removed.
There was also a minor technical problem that was promptly fixed.
After an 1hr delay or so, we made our way to the Kaagbaan, and didn't wait long until
we were airborne.

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Eco-friendly Netherlands

Feeling very tired, I fell asleep and missed the initial drink service, but woke up right
before the meal service.

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Tasty meal: Chicken curry, rice, salad and lime(?) mousse.

Service was exemplary on this flight. I have never seen such a motivated and
enthusiastic bunch working as cabin crew before. I was so impressed that, upon my
arrival, I sent an e-mail to KLM praising the crew on board this flight. Like the Delta
crew on my previous flight, they were hardly out of sight throughout the entire flight.

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Tea

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Ice-cream, rock hard like any other in-flight ice cream

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Second drink service

There were no PTVs onboard this aircraft, but I was too tired to care, so it hardly made
any difference. I also had a mid-term examination to study for.

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Time goes by pretty fast on such an enjoyable flight, and we are already only 2 hours
away from arrival

There was another, albeit lighter, meal service
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Delicious Quiche - the other option was a sweet pie

We made our final descent into YYZ, and I experienced an unusually higher degree of
ear pain during our descent. We flew past YYZ from the South, circled over the city of
Mississauga and landed on runway 6L.
While disembarking, I had some short conversations with the amazing cabin crew, and
wished them a great layover in my home town. I also had the opportunity to visit the
cockpit upstairs.

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PH-BFH after taking me across the Atlantic
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Going through customs was extremely fast, and I took the Airport Express bus back
home.

Conclusion: I have to give both Delta and KLM credit for providing an excellent journey
across the Atlantic, and I will certainly not hesitate to use them again. After 19+ years
and over 220,000kms of flying, this was (from what I can remember) the first time I've ever sent a compliment in written form to an airline, and that definitely says something about KLM.

Thanks for reading!


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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1297 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 31355 times:

Great TR Hoons! I wish I could get to see a 744 cockpit -- or get on a 744 sometime...
Still sounds like you had a great trip. And I told you you'd like DL  Smile (See my signature)

-J.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1682 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 31304 times:

a very nice report of this interesting mix of airlines and aircraft.
Hope to read more of you soon!

Cheers,
Joost



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 31164 times:

Hi,
that's a nice report. And regarding the immigration/passport control at AMS; I think the officer was somehow a bit concerned since you arrived and was leaving the country again on the same day. I guess your passport got stamped upon your arrival from LHR, since you have a Canadian passport.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
AMS is a rather unique airport, and so far the only airport I've been to that has individual security checkpoints at each gate. Not really sure what the advantages of
that setup was.

In Europe, also TXL has individual control at each gate.

Regards,
Eric



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User currently offlineLukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 30801 times:

Very interesting report. My flatmate often does the Uk-Canada slog via Delta/AF/klm so interesting to know what the service is like etc.

DL crew sounded encouraging, but the meal really is farcical. The lack of care in the presentation is just quite unbelievable. You really get the feeling its a chore to serve these meals nowadays. When you compare to presentation of Asian and Gulf Carriers. Still, you sad it was tasty. I like the quaint Tulip-orientated packaging of your klm from London....

Agains thanks

Luke



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User currently offlineLYChemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1195 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 30748 times:

If I am correct Delta do not give a desert? Just a cookie? At least they give cheese. THe meal looks better than CO but AA serve the best meals of the US airlines.

I notice that KLM no longer serve cheese. They used to. The AA snack is better than KLM. THey give you a pizza with nice cookies. For me a small pizza is insufficient. Air Canada do that and I was hungry after arriving at YUL from GVA.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1861 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 30673 times:
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Hey Hoons, great report! I'm glad you liked KL and AMS. I'd love to fly on the 764 myself, such an awesome aircraft!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Not really sure what the advantages of
that setup was.

I have been wondering that myself too. Its very annoying since you can't leave the gate area after that, so if your flight is delayed you are stuck there.

Thanks for sharing,

Martijn



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 30517 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 6):
Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Not really sure what the advantages of
that setup was.

I have been wondering that myself too. Its very annoying since you can't leave the gate area after that, so if your flight is delayed you are stuck there.

Of course you can always walk out the secured area again. But once you return to the gate, you'll have to do the security check once again...



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30161 times:

Is there any way I can see the photos? They're all coming up with "bandwidth exceeded"!

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 30065 times:
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Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1):
Great TR Hoons! I wish I could get to see a 744 cockpit -- or get on a 744 sometime...
Still sounds like you had a great trip. And I told you you'd like DL Smile (See my signature)

Thanks, Josh! I really enjoyed DL.  Smile

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
a very nice report of this interesting mix of airlines and aircraft.
Hope to read more of you soon!

Thanks! The KLM/Delta-Northwest partnership does indeed allow for interesting itineraries.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):
Hi,
that's a nice report.

Thanks!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):
And regarding the immigration/passport control at AMS; I think the officer was somehow a bit concerned since you arrived and was leaving the country again on the same day. I guess your passport got stamped upon your arrival from LHR, since you have a Canadian passport.

Ah, I understand. Indeed my passport did get stamped on arrival from LHR.

Quoting Lukeyboy95 (Reply 4):
Very interesting report. My flatmate often does the Uk-Canada slog via Delta/AF/klm so interesting to know what the service is like etc.

Thank you!

Quoting Lukeyboy95 (Reply 4):
DL crew sounded encouraging, but the meal really is farcical. The lack of care in the presentation is just quite unbelievable.

I certainly agree that the meals need some improvement.

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 5):
If I am correct Delta do not give a desert? Just a cookie? At least they give cheese. THe meal looks better than CO but AA serve the best meals of the US airlines.

I got a brownie for dessert.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 6):
Hey Hoons, great report! I'm glad you liked KL and AMS.

Thanks, Martijn! Indeed, I absolutely loved KLM and enjoyed AMS.

Quoting Vasu (Reply 8):
Is there any way I can see the photos? They're all coming up with "bandwidth exceeded"!

Fixed. Enjoy the photos!  Smile



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User currently offlineA340Crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 29771 times:

wow that Y dinner looks unimpressive. The current NWA Y dinners look a lot better, as far as set up. Hopefully DL will keep the NWA Y dinners.

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 29557 times:

Thank you for a great trip report!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Descending. Not sure which airport that is.

YIP - Willow Run, in Ypsilanti, Michigan.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 28969 times:



Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Amazing Terminal

I thoroughly enjoyed my 4 hour layover at DTW. Its modern, airy architecture and
plentiful facilities easily convinced me that this was my favorite airport in North

I agree. DTW is my favorite terminal in the US!!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Date: November 10th, 2009

Small world... I was there same date and even same timeframe. I even walked past your 767-400 while going to my connecting gate, haha.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 28893 times:
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Really enjoyed your travels, nice pictures and info.

Seems you had some pretty decent flights with DL & KL, always good to hear.

You got pretty lucky with the empty seats next to you!

I flew N830MH just under 2 weeks ago, on the JFK-LHR run.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 28870 times:
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Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
Thank you for a great trip report!

Thanks!

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
YIP - Willow Run, in Ypsilanti, Michigan.

Thanks for the info  

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
Small world... I was there same date and even same timeframe. I even walked past your 767-400 while going to my connecting gate, haha.

Wow, that's cool! What flight did you leave on?

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 13):
Really enjoyed your travels, nice pictures and info.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the report.  

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 13):
You got pretty lucky with the empty seats next to you!

Indeed, I would have never imagined getting empty seats on 3 out of the 4 sectors, even if it's November...

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 13):
I flew N830MH just under 2 weeks ago, on the JFK-LHR run.

Cool! Did you write a TR? If so, I'll check it out soon!

Edit: Post 2000!

[Edited 2009-12-10 23:43:31 by hoons90]


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27918 times:

Hi Hoons,

great report with nice pictures, good to hear you liked the trip.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Light Snacks and Ginger Ale

The availability of Ginger Ale is what I like most on US domestic flights...  Wink

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
The main dish, although rather small, tasted right. Unfortunately, the same cannot be
said about the salad or rough bun.

At least the main dish was alright - the presentation of the whole meal is quite poor.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):

Breakfast:

The packaging looks nice!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Tasty meal: Chicken curry, rice, salad and lime(?) mousse.

The meal doesn't look bad, but the portion should be bigger.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
I have never seen such a motivated and
enthusiastic bunch working as cabin crew before.

I have always liked the KLM crews exactly for the reasons you mentioned.


PH



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User currently offlineFlightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 27742 times:
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Always a pleasure to read a TR that begins and ends in Toronto, and even better when it involves a KLM B744!! KL's cabin crew service seems to be top notch as indicated in many TRs here. I really don't know how you could have studied for an exam...on a flight on a 747-400 I wish you had been able to take some pics while landing on 6L which would have taken you over the 401, not forgetting some really nice views of Mississauga!

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 27293 times:
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Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 15):
Hi Hoons,

great report with nice pictures, good to hear you liked the trip.

Hello PH,
Thanks!  Smile

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 15):
The availability of Ginger Ale is what I like most on US domestic flights... Wink

Indeed... If there's any drink that makes me feel better, it's Ginger Ale!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 15):
At least the main dish was alright - the presentation of the whole meal is quite poor.

I agree... It does look a bit messy.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 15):
The packaging looks nice!

Indeed it does! I actually kept it  Smile

Quoting Flightsimboy (Reply 16):
Always a pleasure to read a TR that begins and ends in Toronto, and even better when it involves a KLM B744!! KL's cabin crew service seems to be top notch as indicated in many TRs here.

Thanks!

Quoting Flightsimboy (Reply 16):
on a flight on a 747-400 I wish you had been able to take some pics while landing on 6L which would have taken you over the 401, not forgetting some really nice views of Mississauga!

I have it on video. I'll upload it soon.



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User currently offlineBassie2010 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 27279 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 6):
Hey Hoons, great report! I'm glad you liked KL and AMS. I'd love to fly on the 764 myself, such an awesome aircraft!

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Not really sure what the advantages of
that setup was.


I have been wondering that myself too. Its very annoying since you can't leave the gate area after that, so if your flight is delayed you are stuck there.

This has to do with Schiphol's design where departing and arriving passengers are in the same area (most airports have split levels). The EU doesn't accept security checks at some airports in the world as being 'up to EU standards' (South America, parts of Asia, Africa), so these arriving passengers are considered 'dirty'.
So the EU sees the Non-Schengen terminal (lounge 2 & 3) of Schiphol as a mix of 'dirty' arriving passengers, 'clean' arriving passengers (e.g. US arrivals) and 'dirty' departing passengers (as they have not been screened). The only way to get the departing passengers 'clean for flight' and KEEP them clean, is to do it at the gate. It's inconvenient for sure, but the ease of transfering at Schiphol hopefully makes up for it...

Note: Schiphol's Schengen lounge doesn't have this issue (all EU) and you won't see security at the gate here

PS Great report! Good to see Skyteam performing so well.



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User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27027 times:

Great report and some great pictures, seems you struck lucky to have so many free seats beside you and so many nice crew!

User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26830 times:

What an enjoyable trip! Thanks for sharing it with us.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Since I was hungry, I decided to go
to Fuddruckers for a Hamburger and some Fries.

Yumm indeed. I love how they let you specify how done you want the meat to be and help yourself to the toppings.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
The plane that will be used for my flight to LHR

Ah the -400ER... I must get on one someday...

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
On my third day in England, I went to the Brooklands museum to see the Concorde and

A place I would like to visit. Classic aircraft. Is it easy to get there?

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
Service on this short flight was efficient, and some buns filled with cheese were served
along with juices.

These look fresh and good.

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
KLM 747-400M (converted to full passenger configuration last year) PH-BFH "City of
Hong Kong" - taking me back home to Toronto. Notice the cool jetway... one of them
goes over the wing and is linked to door 4L!

I remember boarding a KL -400Combi through that overwing jetway years ago. Back then they distributed colored boarding zone cards which they collected as we boarded. Do they still do that?


User currently offlineC8fromONT From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 26824 times:

DTW is such a nice airport!! Glad to see a TR with it!!!

User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 26561 times:

Thanks for sharing!

Nice pictures from Brooklands. I live only 3 miles from Brooklands but I've not visited for such a long time.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 26246 times:

Grear report.

I agree....DTW is one of the nicest airports around.

I am surprised the degree to which NW has reduced YYZ-DTW capacity. 15 years ago it was 5-6 daily 752, now it's just 5-6 daily CRJ.



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Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26199 times:
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Quoting C8fromONT (Reply 21):
Glad to see a TR with it!!!

Thanks!

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 22):
Thanks for sharing!

Nice pictures from Brooklands. I live only 3 miles from Brooklands but I've not visited for such a long time.

Thank you!

You should definitely visit again, the Concorde alone makes it worth it!  Smile

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 23):
Grear report.

Thanks!

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 23):
I am surprised the degree to which NW has reduced YYZ-DTW capacity. 15 years ago it was 5-6 daily 752, now it's just 5-6 daily CRJ.

Indeed. I've seen some NW A319s and A320s at YYZ as recently as June 2009, but it appears that, as of September, there are absolutely no mainline NW flights to YYZ. Sad...



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25 HOONS90 : Oops, forgot to reply back to some of the other replies here: Ah, I see. Thanks for the excellent explanation Thanks! Thank you! I guess that flying i
26 LFutia : Hoons, I remember you telling me about your trip to London and Amsterdam not too long ago. Somehow I missed this so I thought that I would reply. I'm
27 JETnyc : Some of the food looks really good..
28 Post contains images TBloemink : Another Polderbaan landing. Yes, taxi takes 15 minutes from the runway to the terminal. This is a complaint for many A.netters flying to AMS Go to SI
29 HOONS90 : No complaints though, it was also an interesting taxi as well. We passed by a lot of interesting aircraft. Thanks for reading!
30 CPDC10-30 : I flew LHR-AMS-DTW on KL/DL on Christmas eve 2009 (the next day the "underpants bomber" targeted the DL AMS-DTW flight). The flights were OK - but not
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