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Aerolineas AR 2890: 03/OCT/09: USH-AEP: Y Cabin  
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16705 times:

Feedback always appreciated.

Trip Report: 086
Flight Category: Y-IMR (See Report End)
Date: 3 Oct-09 (See Report End)
SDT/SAT/Dur/Delay: 2021/2349/03:28 hrs
Flight: Aerolineas Argentinas (op: Austral) AU/AR 2890, 1479 miles
Routing: USH-AEP
Aircraft: M80
Seat: Economy Class, 22C

I > Background:
After 3 days with a super intense client in Buenos Aires, I decided to make a quick weekend getaway to visit a friend in Ushuaia. He has recently abandoned “material wealth” and moved there to start a yoga school. India really is everywhere . Anyways, since I had not been to Tierra del Fuego, I said “Why not?” and bought myself a weekend round-trip.

There was a magnificent trip report to USH on the multi-stop itinerary by Marambio. You can read more about it here: To The End Of The World On A Fokker F-28 (by Marambio Sep 13 2009 in Trip Reports). Besides that, there is I think one other report on this routing.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Aerolíneas Argentinas is the largest domestic and international airline in Argentina and serves as Argentina's flag carrier. With its wholly owned domestic arm Austral, it provides links to several internal points including the majestic Ushuaia … the world’s southernmost “city”.

Ticketing for the flight was done through Aerolineas Argentina’s excellent site at www.aerolineas.com. I was actually very impressed with how much the website had improved over the years. Not only was the purchase of the ticket painless, I was also able to choose my preferred seat (as readers know something very important to me.) Moreover, I could also view my itinerary and print my e-ticket at any point. It did not afford the option to make changes to the reservation.

b) At Airport:
Ushuaia is a rather small, albeit modern airport. The check-in line snaked across the terminal and I was surprised it was taking so long to have 6 check-in desks process us. It wasn’t like they were working more than one flight! However, when I reached the desk, it was relatively painless and I was issued my boarding pass in a matter of minutes. The agent at check-in was super friendly and we swapped stories about the Ushuaia nightlife. After check-in, I had to follow the snaking line again … first through security, and then through boarding.

To Austral’s credit, boarding (announced 30 minutes prior), was relatively quick and they were able to push us back by published departure time. During the boarding, the flight attendants were nowhere to be seen. Y load was 85%.

>Airport - External:

(Beautiful and surreal landscape – Ushuaia Airport)



Check-in:

(Check-in – huge lines)


Airport - Internal:

(Internal)


(FIDS)


(Post Security @ USH)
NONE

Scenes of the tarmac:

NONE

Lounge

NONE

Boarding:

(Boarding gate – more lines)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
An hour after departure a beverage service (including wine and beer) followed by dinner.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
Austral’s MD-80 was definitely showing her age. While clean, she belonged to the 1990s with drab lighting and broken controls.

One thing older aircraft usually has going for them is relatively comfortable seats. Austral was no exception to this rule. However, I was surprised at how industry-average their pitch and recline was. For older aircraft, usually these things are much more liberal.

Aircraft:

(M88@ AEP)


Views from Aircraft:

(Taken on arrival at USH earlier)


(View of airport)


General Seat Views + Seat Legroom



(IFE Unit – doesn’t really control anything though)



Seat Recline + Angle View:



NONE

Cabin:









(Bathroom Amenities)



c) Meal + Beverage:

The beverage service was free and generous. A pretty wide range of non-alcoholic beverages; tea or café; beer, or wine was offered. Not too bad. After that, dinner consisted of an extremely bland rice thrown together with extremely bland and dry chicken pieces. Accompanying this was one of the hardest pieces of bread I have encountered and a face-saving pastry and crackers. Overall, extremely disappointing. While I did appreciate the gesture, meals like this make me wonder if a premium BOB option would be more appreciated.

(Dinner and drinks)


d) Inflight Entertainment:
Aerolinas Argentinas/Austral has no in-flight entertainment on board her MD-80’s. Besides a decent in-flight magazine, you basically have nothing to do beyond what you bring by yourself. Rather disappointing given the length of the flight. I wonder what LAN “Argentina” provides during the same routing.

(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.)


e) Crew:
Austral’s crew were indifferent to service. Besides the rushed beverage and meal service, they were nowhere to be seen ... not during boarding, and certainly not during the flight. Would it hurt to do an occasional water-run? Additionally, my call-button test went unanswered for the entire duration of the flight. Very poor indeed.

IV> Post-Flight:
Landing in AEP was rather smooth ... and since I did not have any checked luggage, I was curbside in 10 minutes ... and given how awesome Aeroparque’s location is, at my friend’s house within 20 more minutes.

V> Impressions + Scores:
Aerolineas Argentinas is one of Latin America’s pioneering airlines. It has been instrumental in connecting the continent with the outside world for a long time. However, Aerolineas (through its operating partner Austral) has had a turbulent recent history, and this flight goes on to demonstrate one reason why they are in the mess they are. The airline is just apathetic to customer service. The meal was poor; there was no IFE; the seats were OK; and the crew was there doing you a favor. Not really anything positive … besides, their website of course and the check-in agent.

A country as magnificent as Argentina deserves a better flag carrier. Aerolineas needs to go beyond nationalistic music on their phone hold (call their number, you’ll understand) to really better serve the country. Argentineans are one of my favorite people in the continent; and I love going back. However, I wish there was a better choice of internal carriers. Unless given no choice (unfortunately, several times the case on domestic routes), I would not fly Austral domestically. A thumb down.



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas Argentinas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Tarmac action on departure at AEP)












(And beautiful Ushuaia)





Live, and let live.
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16499 times:

Amazing trip report, A!

They are working hard to get that back as top priority, then IFE and product. You know the mess AR was in about 2 years ago. Great that you weren't on a delayed flight.  Silly

Everything was evaluated sensibly, I'd say perfect.

Great Job! Love the TR.

Saludos,
Gastón

[Edited 2009-12-25 13:38:33]

[Edited 2009-12-25 13:39:29]


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6402 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16362 times:

Excellent report! Ushauaia looks really nice! Reminds me of Iceland.

Hopefully Austral/Aerolineas will improve in the future.

The777Man



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16361 times:

Nice report as always Alex!

The planes was formerly with AM! The seat upholstery is the old AM. What I don't understand is why the seat in front of you had completely different upholstery than the rest of the seats in your pictures.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16334 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
Amazing trip report, A!

= Gracias.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
They are working hard to get that back as top priority, then IFE and product. You know the mess AR was in about 2 years ago. Great that you weren't on a delayed flight. Silly

= I hope so. I think it's time for AR to have a considerable image overhall ... but they MUST focus on the soft product as well.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
Everything was evaluated sensibly, I'd say perfect.

= Thanks. I try my best to be objective ... and usually (except) certain French people who cannot stand my not liking AF, people are OK with my scoring  Smile.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):
Excellent report! Ushauaia looks really nice! Reminds me of Iceland.

= Ushuaia is stunning. Funny you mention Iceland as I was just there as well. Landscape has similarities; but, I'd venture to say that Tierra del Fuego is prettier. Also, the natural charm of the Argentinians is much more warmer (for me) than the Icelandic. I remain convinced every person I spoke with in Iceland was depressed  Sad.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 2):

Hopefully Austral/Aerolineas will improve in the future.

= Hopefully.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
Nice report as always Alex!

= Thanks.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
The planes was formerly with AM! The seat upholstery is the old AM. What I don't understand is why the seat in front of you had completely different upholstery than the rest of the seats in your pictures.

= Jaja. I did not notice until now. Weird no? I miss them in AM's metallic colors ... though, I do like Austral's livery.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16313 times:

Great trip report and very nice pictures of Ushuaia, one of the world's most special places. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Tierra del Fuego. As much as I hate cold, I must say the island is one of my favourite places in the world.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):

There was a magnificent trip report to USH on the multi-stop itinerary by Marambio.

Thanks for the compliment.  Smile

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Aerolinas Argentinas/Austral has no in-flight entertainment on board her MD-80’s. Besides a decent in-flight magazine, you basically have nothing to do beyond what you bring by yourself. Rather disappointing given the length of the flight. I wonder what LAN “Argentina” provides during the same routing.

I have never flown 4M to USH, but on flights to SLA (which is just a bit closer to AEP than USH), IFE is basically the same + the "Just for Laughs" program on the overhead TVs. Nothing to write home about either. AR is replacing its 732s and 735s with 73Gs, whilst AU's MDs will apparently be replaced with a bunch of Embraers. Let's hope those changes imply a better service!

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 397 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16206 times:

Why is the upholstery of the seat (in front of you, twice) different? Are those shots from the flight down to USH? In looking at the cabin shots you share, they all seen to be from one of the ex-AM MD-88s, while the seat you show on the others is from the MD-83s or MD-88 that came from other sources, or directly to AU and is the upholstery that was introduced 4 or 5 years ago.

Good report and what one has come to expect for Argentina domestic trips. Which, truth be told, is way more you receive on a similar US flight these days - but that is setting the bar sooooo low!

Rds,



"Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten"
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15937 times:



Quoting Marambio (Reply 5):
Great trip report and very nice pictures of Ushuaia, one of the world's most special places. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Tierra del Fuego. As much as I hate cold, I must say the island is one of my favourite places in the world.

= Agreed.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 5):

Thanks for the compliment. Smile

= You deserved it. Great report. I actually looked into buying that exact flight, but the website was having issues with my credit card. Usually reliable Despegar also choked.

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 6):
Why is the upholstery of the seat (in front of you, twice) different? Are those shots from the flight down to USH? In looking at the cabin shots you share, they all seen to be from one of the ex-AM MD-88s, while the seat you show on the others is from the MD-83s or MD-88 that came from other sources, or directly to AU and is the upholstery that was introduced 4 or 5 years ago.

= Only the seat recline picture is from the outbound; all else is from the inbound.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15817 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
I actually looked into buying that exact flight, but the website was having issues with my credit card. Usually reliable Despegar also choked.

5U's website is absolutely unreliable and, as far as I know, they do not appear on Despegar. Most people just go to Lade's office in San Telmo in order to buy a ticket. They also have a sales counter at AEP, but nobody knows its opening hours. Very Latin American.  Smile

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15754 times:

Hola Alex!

Your TR USH-AEP brought me back memories from my visit to that special place, back in Jan. 06. Excellent place for a visit, the landscape is just gorgeous and the area has a very special atmosphere. I went there by bus from Punta Arenas, Chile, a 12 hour ride and back to AEP with AR.

My flight was the very same you took and I remember it as being packed, all flights seemed to be packed leaving USH and I recall having to reconfirm it 48 hours prior to travelling, AR office downtown USH was always packed with long lines.

All the best in the coming year. Happy flying!

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineBedo From Spain, joined Jul 2009, 57 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15621 times:

Hi!

I'm always tune to your Trip Report Series, and this one it's great as everyone.

Abrelosojos it's a simile to quality TR.

Thanks for spending your time making us happy!!



bedo
User currently offlineOkapi From France, joined Jun 2006, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

Hello Abrelosojos! One more great report to read. They're always a pleasure to read and I sure click on every report you publish. Great pictures and I'm in love with your scoring board. One more must read. Thanks ! Sooner or later, I'll publish mine.
Where are you going next ?
Best wishes for the year to come, to you and all readers. OKP.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15332 times:



Quoting Marambio (Reply 8):
5U's website is absolutely unreliable and, as far as I know, they do not appear on Despegar. Most people just go to Lade's office in San Telmo in order to buy a ticket. They also have a sales counter at AEP, but nobody knows its opening hours. Very Latin American. Smile

Saludos,
Marambio

= I was actually very tempted to PM you and have you buy me the ticket ... with the promise of course of a great dinner and some good wine at my favorite restaurant in Palermo.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 9):
Your TR USH-AEP brought me back memories from my visit to that special place, back in Jan. 06. Excellent place for a visit, the landscape is just gorgeous and the area has a very special atmosphere. I went there by bus from Punta Arenas, Chile, a 12 hour ride and back to AEP with AR.

= Haha. Roger, I was going to do this exact trip last year. However, when I go to SCL airport for the flight to Punta Arenas, the flight got canceled due to poor weather conditions there.

Quoting Bedo (Reply 10):

Abrelosojos it's a simile to quality TR.

= Way too kind. Thanks.

Quoting Okapi (Reply 11):
Sooner or later, I'll publish mine.

= SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Okapi (Reply 11):
Where are you going next ?

= All over the place. I am a global nomad. Though, I might be relocating for 6-9 months for a project in Asia.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15237 times:

Congratulations for your TR!
Off topic, but one thing I keep asking myself is why Argentina decided to separate national (AEP) and international (EZE) flights. Has it been discussed elsewhere on A.net forum?

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 4):
Funny you mention Iceland as I was just there as well. Landscape has similarities; but, I'd venture to say that Tierra del Fuego is prettier. Also, the natural charm of the Argentinians is much more warmer (for me) than the Icelandic. I remain convinced every person I spoke with in Iceland was depressed

Really?!?! Visiting Iceland has always been one of the dreams of my life! May be one difference is that in Iceland you have geysers and different waterfalls (Dettifoss must be awesome!), not to mention the thermal waters.
So, as I don't know neither Patagonia neither Iceland, I guess I should go first to Iceland so I don't get disappointed!  Smile


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15199 times:



Quoting DanVS (Reply 13):
Off topic, but one thing I keep asking myself is why Argentina decided to separate national (AEP) and international (EZE) flights. Has it been discussed elsewhere on A.net forum?

= This is a good question. Well, AEP is severely space constricted so I am sure there was no room for future growth. EZE has capacity ... but for business pax, I can get to AEP in 10-15 minutes without traffic from Av. Florida. Not possible for EZE. Besides, I think several destinations (including USH) maintain limited flights to EZE. Sort of the Japanese model?

Personally, I think the bigger business opportunity lies in connecting AEP with CGH. Has anyone attempted this? Are there restrictions against it?

Or, if PL is reading this ... try a MVD - CGH link and time it immediately to connect with your AEP flights.

Quoting DanVS (Reply 13):

Really?!?! Visiting Iceland has always been one of the dreams of my life! May be one difference is that in Iceland you have geysers and different waterfalls (Dettifoss must be awesome!), not to mention the thermal waters.
So, as I don't know neither Patagonia neither Iceland, I guess I should go first to Iceland so I don't get disappointed! Smile

= Go to both if you can  Smile. But remember, Ushuaia is technically in Tierra del Fuego, and not in Patagonia. As I said, Iceland is pretty for sure ... but I find the people make Ushuaia a more intoxicatingly desirable place.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 397 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15135 times:

Quoting DanVS (Reply 13):
Off topic, but one thing I keep asking myself is why Argentina decided to separate national (AEP) and international (EZE) flights. Has it been discussed elsewhere on A.net forum?

It comes from many years of having two airports in the city... AEP has been there since the 40s and has traditionally always been the hub and spoke for domestic travel to/from Bs As, as well as to Uruguay. It's the old real estate mantra: location, location, location. EZE adds too much time to the trip absent some sort of high speed rail connection. Any domestic flights out of EZE are for the benefit of connecting passengers. No one in their right mind would take a domestic flight out of EZE when there are flights from AEP.

Non stop flights to other regional destinations such as SCL, and GRU have not been allowed from AEP, but they would be instant hits.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Ushuaia is technically in Tierra del Fuego, and not in Patagonia

Huh? Patagonia is a geographical region, not a province. I think you are confusing things here. Ushuaia is the capital of the Province of Tierra del Fuego and Tierra del Fuego is part of larger geographical region called Patagonia, unless you get really technical, and then TDF has two clear regions: the north of the island which really is part of the Patagonian Desertic plateaus and then the south, with the Andes dividing both regions, which is called the sub Antarctic forest. In Argentina, Patagonia also inlcudes the provinces of Neuquen, Rio Negro, Chubut, Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego.

Cheers,

[Edited 2009-12-26 14:55:53]

[Edited 2009-12-26 14:56:50]

[Edited 2009-12-26 14:58:05]


"Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten"
User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15045 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Besides, I think several destinations (including USH) maintain limited flights to EZE. Sort of the Japanese model?

True. But only to USH, AFAIK.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):

Personally, I think the bigger business opportunity lies in connecting AEP with CGH. Has anyone attempted this? Are there restrictions against it?

Yes. CGH is not an international airport (anymore).

I didn't realize Tokyo had a more or less similar system. But they still have more national flights from NRT than EZE.

DCAjet, thanks for your input.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14786 times:



Quoting DCAjet (Reply 15):

Huh? Patagonia is a geographical region, not a province. I think you are confusing things here. Ushuaia is the capital of the Province of Tierra del Fuego and Tierra del Fuego is part of larger geographical region called Patagonia, unless you get really technical, and then TDF has two clear regions: the north of the island which really is part of the Patagonian Desertic plateaus and then the south, with the Andes dividing both regions, which is called the sub Antarctic forest. In Argentina, Patagonia also inlcudes the provinces of Neuquen, Rio Negro, Chubut, Santa Cruz and Tierra del Fuego.

Cheers,

= Thanks. You seem to know more on this than I do, and so will revert to you.

Quoting DanVS (Reply 16):

Yes. CGH is not an international airport (anymore).

= I completely forgot about this.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14631 times:

Great trip report with tremendous pictures of the scenery down at USH.

LAN do operate a non stop service as well from AEP -USH but the timings are not so good. However I would rather take the LAN option if I was heading down that way.


User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14505 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= I was actually very tempted to PM you and have you buy me the ticket ... with the promise of course of a great dinner and some good wine at my favorite restaurant in Palermo.

You should have done it, sir! It would have been my pleasure.

Off-topic, if you liked Tierra del Fuego, there's a book I wholeheartly recommend - The Uttermost Part of the Earth, by E. Lucas Bridges. He was the first European born in the small Yaghan setllement of Ooshooaia (as it was then spelled), in the 1870s. The book is about his life in Tierra del Fuego when his family was the only white group of people in the area, and how he became friends with the natives.

Bridges eventually moved to the UK but got bored of it, so he went away to Rhodesia or Botswana (don't remember which one) and settled a ranch there. Finally, he came back home to Argentina and died in Buenos Aires. Based on this, I somehow believe you and him could have been good friends.  

Saludos,
Marambio

[Edited 2009-12-27 21:36:04]


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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8426 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14125 times:
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Hi Alex,

Very nice TR and pictures as always, thanks for sharing.

I've got to say AR/Austral looked better than I had expected, perhaps my views relate back to the bad old days of AR, sure looks like things are improving - let's hope they contunue to do so, there are some excellent carriers in South America.

Nice pix of USH, need to visit there now!

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14052 times:

I hate you, Alex. I hate you so much.  biggrin 

I've been having SEVERE to TERMINAL Argentina withdrawal recently, and then you have to go and post this. Not only do you post this, but you post on the EXACT SAME FLIGHT I took, AR2890. Mine was more exciting, though.  biggrin 

Awesome report, as usual! Your detail and evaluations are truly an asset to this board. It seems you had a much different experience on this flight with relation to the crew than I on mine. The crew on my flights were attentive, helpful, and pleasant.

Thanks again! More pictures of Ushuaia, please!!!

And damn anyone who speaks of Buenos Aires!!!!!!! I want to go back SO bad!

Cheers,
Cameron

P.S. Anyone want to pay for my plane ticket down there? I'll buy dinner.  Silly


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 397 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10553 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 14):
Personally, I think the bigger business opportunity lies in connecting AEP with CGH. Has anyone attempted this? Are there restrictions against it?

Well the powers that be (earthly and celestial) have heard you as AEP Is now connected non stop to SCL, ASU, POA, FLN, GRU, GIG and SSA - in addition to MVD and PDP. Alas, no CGH, but keep in mind the latter is a domestic only facility.

AR, PU, LA, 4M, GOL and TAM now fly nonstop from AEP as follows:

AR: MVD, PDP, SCL, POA, GRU, GIG, SSA & ASU

PU: MVD & PDP

LA: SCL

4M: SCL & GRU

GOL: GRU

TAM: POA

Rds,



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

Very interesting TR and well written amigo Abrelosojos!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Ticketing for the flight was done through Aerolineas Argentina’s excellent site at www.aerolineas.com. I was actually very impressed with how much the website had improved over the years. Not only was the purchase of the ticket painless, I was also able to choose my preferred seat (as readers know something very important to me.) Moreover, I could also view my itinerary and print my e-ticket at any point. It did not afford the option to make changes to the reservation.

Thats great, I've always seen their website and wondered if it really works by the way it looks. 
Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(View of airport

Simply gorgeous!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The beverage service was free and generous. A pretty wide range of non-alcoholic beverages; tea or café; beer, or wine was offered. Not too bad. After that, dinner consisted of an extremely bland rice thrown together with extremely bland and dry chicken pieces. Accompanying this was one of the hardest pieces of bread I have encountered and a face-saving pastry and crackers. Overall, extremely disappointing. While I did appreciate the gesture, meals like this make me wonder if a premium BOB option would be more appreciated.

Indeed, they really need to improve the service and IFE, which i think they will achieve with the new E190s. Overall better than water as a starter, water as main, and water for dessert as the Argentinians used to say. 
Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(And beautiful Ushuaia)

Just beautiful ! The seccond picture gives me an impression of a Scandinavian city. 

Once again, thanks for sharing!

CamiloA380   



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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

I took that same trip to USH from AEP on Austral in 1991, but then Austral was independent of AR. The flight, however, was not non-stop as it made several stops with the MD-88 or MD 90 to Rio Gallegos. There, we were required to switch to a big prop plane, a military painted plane, that completed the final section to USH. The same on the way back. AR did the flight non-stop I believe. On the Austral flight we were served finger sandwiches after each take off. Because the airport at USH is like in a bowl, it appears that the planes need to enter the bowl and circle before landing. I thought it interesting that at the entrance of the walking street in the shopping area in USH there is a small bust of Eva Peron.

25 DCAJet : Since then a new airport has been built in USH, allowing pretty much any aircraft to operate there. AR often flies the 744 and A340 from EZE in peak
26 akhmad : Hi A., It must have been exciting to visit a friend down to a beautiful place like Ushuaia. The scenery is just breathtaking. Did you take any outdoor
27 malioil : Hello Abrelosjos, Thank you for a wonderful trip report. Ushuaia is a very beautiful city. Well done to your friend for having the courage of doing so
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