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Non-stop To Tokyo With JAL's Gentle Giant.  
User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 13393 times:

This is not really a fresh one, but I thought it could be worth reading since it's a witness of a fantastic airline which is on the edge of bankruptcy.



Milano%u2013Malpensa (MXP) T1 %u2013 Tokyo%u2013Narita (NRT) T2
2nd-3rd October 2009
JL 418 (Japan Airlines)
Duration: 11h21m
Departure: 9:45 PM Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 (scheduled); 9:55 PM (actual)
Arrival: 4:35 PM Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 (scheduled); 4:16 PM (actual)
Economy Class
Boeing 747-446 JA8921
Seat: 73B (upper deck)

So, my first intercontinental flight and... what a good start! Flying with such an iconic airplane, on the world-famous upper deck, on my very first trip outside Europe: not a bad start, isn't it?

My room mate and I drove to MXP on a bright and fresh early October evening, literally %u201Ctasting%u201D the fact of being on holiday when anyone else we knew was struggling with the opening lessons at university. As we parked the car at the P3, the cheapest lot (but yet a legalized robbery), we heard a massive, distant thunder: a Smurfs-blue Jumbo was climbing up through the evening skies: must have been Korean's flight bound for FCO and ICN.

The departure lounge at MXP was crowded but not packed, so it was easy to walk its entire length to reach JL's check-in counters. There was no queue at all (we were, as we knew later on, almost the last ones despite being 1h30 early), just some Japanese kids running close-by, noisy as just Italians' progeny could possibly be. Security checks were fast either, despite the long queues of passengers bound for GRU, DXB and DOH above all. Luckily though, over almost every %u201Cgate%u201D was shining a welcoming green light.

All intercontinental flights leaving Malpensa start from %u201CB%u201D area, that is Sat. 2, and ours made no difference, so we went left to get our passport another round of checks. The police officers who were in charge of our security seemed pretty sleepy or bored: the one I handed my document to was even looking annoyed since I was distracting him from his PC screen (after the controls I had a quick glance at what he was looking and, believe it or not, I'm damn sure he was on Facebook!)
Satellite 1 was quite messy, after a long day of departures; bars and shops (not many, to be brutally honest) were closing one after the other, but we managed to grab a couple of pint of beer to keep us hydrated while waiting for the first service on board. As we sat down at a table which was still showing the remnants left by the previous customers (I hate this lack of education, why don't they clean it up? It's a self-service after all!) people started to queue up for the TAM flight to Sao Paolo, or at least they've been trying to, forming a sort of wild bunch in front of the gate.

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Luckily we couldn't book a place on AZ's 772

As a bright contrast, Japanese were already forming two perfect rows, with Italians getting in their same mood, all about an hour before the esteemed opening time.
Time ran fast, and soon we heard the announcement of our gate being opened. We drank our last sips of beer and, then, we marched in the 747. Flight Assistants greeted us with an Italian %u201CBuongiorno%u201D, loads of smiles and great kindness, showing us our way upstairs. While climbing the steep steps I managed to get a glance of the famous panel showing the names of captain, flight officer and chief cabin assistant. Many wouldn't notice it at all, but I appreciated it: it's nice to know something about the people you're committing your life to, I think.

JAL used, at least during last Summer season, to send to MXP a two-classes 747, with Y on the upper deck in a pretty dense 3-3 configuration. We were slightly concerned about the pitch, since we're both over 180 cm high and we feared twelve hours of agony: we were wrong, thankfully; mind you, Kobe Bryant would disagree, but I fitted in perfectly, space was just enough. Seats themselves were quite old-fashioned, and the PTV screen was scarcely bigger than an Iphone's one, but I didn't really care. It was fine, period.
I was sitting in the middle, with my friend at the window, and a Japanese lady on the aisle of row 73 (and, by chance, I met a vising professor of my University seating in front row with his partner!); load factor was 100% in coach, on both decks. I have no clue on the C performance, since curtains were closed during all flight, but it must have been quite a good one, with the few empty seats being taken by passengers of the Alitalia flight to NRT which, instead of leaving MXP at noon, was scheduled for departure at 2:00 AM!

We left the terminal ten minutes late on schedule, taxing towards 35L if I remember well. A few moments after we aligned at its beginning, the pilot gave full power to the 4 CF6, and we started running and...off we go! Noise was only a distant buzz, and the thrust was robust, but not brutal. A gentle giant indeed.
The planned route would have taken take us over Austria, Slovakia, bits of Poland and Ukraine, Belarus, Russia (north of Moscow if I remember well), over the Urals and then all across Siberia, with a few hop over the Sea of Japan and, as soon as we reached cruising altitude, three F.A.s - a Japanese woman, a German girl and a young male whose accent seemed British %u2013 started serving towels so hot I felt they have been heated by exposing them to the engines' exhausts, as well as cooler drinks. I wanted to fall asleep fast, and then I asked for some white wine, and I got a Chilean pinot. Many Italians still are quite doubtful about wines produced outside Europe, and in most cases I'd share they view but, Chile is trustworthy and that Pinot made no difference.
We were storming over the old Warsaw treaty bloc as dinner was served. Nothing exceptional, I went for the Japanese udon with stew, and we both used chopsticks, with delight from our flight mate, a gentle Japanese teacher living in Milan. She was really a nice person, and she gave us some useful tips about what to see in Kyoto and Nara.

Soon after the assistants collected the mostly empty trays, and many prepared for a brief sleep. I reclined a little bit my seat (not too much since I hate those who recline theirs at full angle regardless of who's sitting behind) and gave the IFE a try, while sipping another white wine.
The 744 was provided with the Magic I IFE, quite an outdated one since JAL, on its most modern 77Ws, mounts the mark IV version. Anyway, it was a good way of killing time, with music channels, basic games and films; the latter were appalling: Pelham 123, the second movie from Dan Brown's bestsellers, and one of the most senseless films since Waterworld, Transformers II. I kept Pelham for the return leg, and sticked on Tom Hanks and his rush from a Roman church to another, until I finally fell asleep.

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Japan at last!

I woke up several hours later, still with headphones on my ears, resounding the echoes of shots and killed priests, as the IFE was showing Hanks for the fourth time running, probably. A quick look at the airshow informed me we were somewhere over Siberia, somewhere far north of Novosibirsk. My mate was still enjoying Morpheus' embrace, while the Japanese lady wasn't there, and then I decided to go downstairs to see what's what.
The whole cabin, fitted in a dense 3-4-3 configuration, was full of sleepy Japanese, quite a scary sight I must admit, so I went upstairs again and slept until we were over Khabarovsk, just a couple of hours from Tokyo. Breakfast was served, and F.A.s gave us the immigration modules to fill; done this, they kept on passing on and on to ensure everyone had his own cup full of tea, coffee or Japanese tea. I must repeat myself, really a 4-star service. I'll be badly missing them, if they'll really go bust.

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ANA tails everywhere

Anyway, to make story short, we touched down 10 minutes early, and taxied around for what it seemed an eternity, among rows of ANA tails. Eventually we reached a parking place close to an Air New Zealand 772ER, and disembark could finally start.


772 NZ

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Wavin' goodbye to the Gentle giant...

We were at T2's dependence, that meaning we had to hop on the automatic train to reach the main building: given it was us and the Kiwis, 500 people, it took ages to get on that bloody train and to cover the 400 meters which separated us from the main building. Honestly, I don't get all this %u201Ctechnological showing-off%u201D: a cheaper treadmills would do the job faster, I think.
Immigration was a breeze, and soon we were at the carousel to pick up our bags (carefully warned by some sings, put on bags, walls and on two staff members' hand, not to take another's one belongings by mistake). Moments after, we had our first meeting with Tokyo's transit system.

Two weeks after, it was time to leave Kyoto for Narita and then, Malpensa. Some days before we stormed southwards on a Shinkansen Nozomi N700 like the one below, but the return leg would have been made by air, from Osaka Kansai Airport.


N700 Shinkansen at Tokyo Central Station.

to be continued in another post..

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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Osaka-Kansai (KIX) – Tokyo-Narita (NRT) T2
16th October 2009
JL052 (Japan Airlines)
Duration: 1h01m
Departure: 8:45 AM (scheduled); 9:22 AM (actual)
Arrival: 10:05 AM (scheduled); 10:23 AM (actual)
Economy class
Boeing 737-846 JA320J
Seat: 19middle (aisle)

We expressly wanted to leave from KIX because, being an architect my flat mate and an architecture lover myself, both of us wanted to see Renzo Piano's genius at work in KIX. We then left Kyoto on the evening of October 15th, planning to sleep at the airport. Unfortunately, we found the airport hotel way too pricey and, then, we did it Ryanair-style: we slept at the airport.
Getting to Kansai from Osaka Umeda was quite long and tiring, an hour on a crowded suburban train with no space for luggage, stopping at nearly every station in the Kansai area. I was really glad to leave that train, which left me with plenty of cramps, due to the ridiculous position I had to keep for an hour or so. The airport itself left us speechless: being on an artificial island,we were expecting it to be small, but it wasn't so. It was h-u-g-e, and deserted.

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KIX's escalators to the departure lounge


The could-have-been-more-crowded departure lounge at KIX.





Yes indeed, deserted: since when JL cut many outbound flights, KIX is missing some action. As a proof, the very first flight leaving KIX on the 16th was ours...at 8:45! After a brief dinner at the immense food court downstairs and some cans of tasteless Japanese beer, we found rows of comfy leather seats, and got settled quite happily.

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The immense food-court.

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Yes! let's go to the south side!

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A row of seats similar to those we slept on.

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I was waken up shortly afterwards: a cop, asking my passport. I wasn't sure whether he spoke English or not, so I decided not to with him what I had in mind, and gave him the documents instead. My friend was more straightforward, but at least he used an almost incomprehensible Italian slang form.






A nice AF-poster collection on display at KIX.

The day after started normally, with a sweet sunset over Osaka bay. I went out to enjoy the fresh air and its unique perfume... It smelled of hawthorn, really!

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One velvet morning...

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CX, OZ and NH's 737: with its beautiful livery it makes it less awkward, I think.





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Another unmanned light rail service.


Some spotting: JL 763 being cleaned.

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China eastern's 321

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It should be spelled "Portofino" but, according to Japanese phonetics, it seems to make sense!

Check-in and security were an absolute breeze, and soon after we entered the gate lounge. Not really Piccadilly circus, there, but who cares? We loved that place, its natural light, the high roofs and relaxing atmosphere. Airports should always be like KIX, well done mr. Piano!
The 737 was waiting us on the other side of the beautifully-shaped glass. As I learned later on, it was quite a new bird, having just a couple of months on its wings, but the young age didn't save it from an electric failure which gave us 30 minutes of delay.

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Boarding.

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Accidental self-portrait with the Magic IV IFE.

Onboard it was pretty new, with what appeared to be a C class with shell seats, and an 3-3 seats Y cabin with plenty of space (more than what was provided on the 744!), Recaro seats and Magic IV IFE which, unfortunately, was shut off during all flight. Service consisted in just a drink, leaving me hungry as a wolf in winter. LF was with no doubt 100%, and at least 80% of the passengers onboard had a transit boarding card for NRT; many were on our plane indeed.



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Spotting attempts during our endless wandering around NRT.

[Edited 2010-01-17 03:45:46]

User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

Tokyo-Narita (NRT) T2 – Milano Malpensa (MXP) T1
16th October 2009
JL417 (Japan Airlines)
Duration: 12h 17
Departure: 1:40 PM (scheduled); 1:42 PM (actual)
Arrival: 07:05 PM (scheduled); 06:59PM (actual)
Economy class
Boeing 747-446 JA8920
Seat: 73A

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After a never-ending taxing we reached T2 dependance again, so once again that stupid train (which was on KIX as well, I have to say). I hoped to catch a glimpse of the A380, I read on the net SQ's one was at NRT as I was, but I failed, couldn't find make my way towards the observation deck. Better luck next time!

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The VAL track to T2's main building. Hardly the channel tunnel, huh? I'll never understand this.

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And here comes JA8920...

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JL77W bound to LHR, Malaysian to KUL and Garuda to Jakarta.

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We spotted about 37 (been counting 'em!) JAL staff members climbing those stairs to go cleaning JA8920; unsurprisingly, we found it as cleen as if it was new.

Boarding of our flight started bang on time, as soon as our gate neighbor, another JAL 744 bound for Delhi, closed. We, and C passengers, were the first to board, as the JAL staff said. This didn't stop some to try to do queuejumping and I'm happy to say no one of them was Italian.

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Feelin' so 90s but fine: the upper deck.

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The down-looking on-board camera, somewhere over Northern Japan.


The could-have-been-cleanier window spoiled the effect a little bit, but I love this Siberian river.

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A Siberian sunset.

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Taxing took a little while, but soon we were up in the sky. The flight would have taken a slightly longer route, passing way northwards and therefore allowing us to get a taste of the Arctic Sea: good! The five-years old boy inside me took mental note of it as soon as the captain mentioned it.
The F.A.s started service almost immediately, offering us the usual boiling hot towels and a sort of hybrid between a krapfen and a muffin, which I ate in a blink of an eye, being desperately hungry. I felt quite ashamed, but I needed another one: what if that was meant to be the “lunch”? I was starving! The Japanese assistant was quite comical as she expressed some concern, but later on she gave me another one with one of their big, gentle smiles.
Mealtime arrived, and trays were taken in: many of us chose a curry-flavored stew; it was delicious, but for the rest of the trip the wholeupper deck smelt like an Indian restaurant, we just lacked some bhangra songs on the intercom. Moreover, there're no air vents on these JL 744, so you can't cool down yourself with some fresh air, after a spicy masala. Flight assistants were really useful on this tip, I never had to get up and walk to the bar: every 30 minutes they offered us soft drinks, beers,
wine or hot drinks.

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Hey, are we approaching the Arctic sea?

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Yes we are!


A familiar sight: lakes in Lombardy.

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MXP welcomes you (sorry for the blurry picture)

Somewhere over Siberia I decided to get a glimpse of the lower deck, and so I did: it was about 80% full, with many more passengers awaken. I got up again, took a couple of cans of a soft drink I loved – a Japanese one, a strange mixture of tonic and...well, something else, grabbed a copy of the Economist, set the audio on John Coltrane's channel, and kept reading all the rest of the trip, with some pauses spent admiring that beautiful place that's called Siberia.

Thanks everyone for reading and for any feedback you'd feel to add.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Hi,

welcome with your tripreport on JAL. The airline will probably restart and for sure continue to fly. I'm not sure about the faith of MXP in the future though, but I think it might be fine, and with FCO being axed instead. The Italy flights attract a whole lot of low-fare/tourist traffic, hence the high-density B747-400's with a 449 seat configuration in 2-class. And this is still being offered in 2010 at FCO/MXP, although the aircrafts now also carry a old-style First Class. That F is not on sale, but can be used for the purpose of upgrading the frequent flyers.

Quoting JL418 (Thread starter):
We spotted about 37 (been counting 'em!) JAL staff members climbing those stairs to go cleaning JA8920; unsurprisingly, we found it as cleen as if it was new.

Exactly this acting, as so many others, make JAL to a money-loosing company. They should stop playing this game and wake up. An airline is there to make money, not to provide work to 37 cleaners!

Quoting JL418 (Thread starter):
It should be spelled "Portofino" but, according to Japanese phonetics, it seems to make sense!

No, it doesn't make sense at all. It's such a stupid spelling mistake, which you'll find in many places. No excuse for this, and the person who made this poster should go and take English classes.
I've been numerous times in Japanese hotels and then I find a plastic messageholder on my desk in the room, saying "This is a non smorking room" etc. It's just embarrassing  Wink

Some good pics, like the black/white ones, especially the Shinkansen.

Regards,
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineLYChemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 12001 times:

I understand the size of the meals on JAL have been sizeably reduced since my trip with them in 1978. Did you just get a biscuit / cookie for desert?

If I were to fly to Japan today I would automatically pick ANA. IN fact all my Japanese colleagues I used to work with chose ANA.


User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 11667 times:



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):

Hi, thanks for the welcome. Unfortunately I don't have a clue on how to cut the part of your post I wanted to quote, hence, I'm quoting it all.

About the 744 in service on NRT-MXP, I heard JL was introducing a new configuration from the start of 09-10 Winter season, with a cradle (or shell-flat) C and less Y seats, with a full-C upper deck. FCO-MXP might actually be axed, and AZ raised its frequencies to NRT. I'd love to see ANA here, even if it won't happen on short notice since they've just been approving again the bilateral agreement.

About JL having too many employees: before going there I read they were cutting 9,000 jobs which seemed to be enormous. Well, there were sixteen staff members at check-in desks at KIX, boarding a 737-800! and gates were guarded by at least 4 other staff. But I think the whole Japan has this habit, never seen - as an example - 4 agents guarding a small roadwork.

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 4):

Well, the meals were just fine but yes indeed, the snack given as we left off on the return leg was just a sort of fatty chocolate donut. later on, however, they served the two normal meals.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Hi,

Quoting JL418 (Reply 5):
About the 744 in service on NRT-MXP, I heard JL was introducing a new configuration from the start of 09-10 Winter season, with a cradle (or shell-flat) C and less Y seats, with a full-C upper deck.

True. What I meant, is that JAL sells this flight as C and Y only. F class is not for sale.
Only the product offered on the MXP flight went to higher standard, to the newer Business/Seasons Executive Class. It's a shell-flat seat indeed. It located in the upperdeck as well the second compartment on the maindeck. The nose on the maindeck is F, old Skysleeper Solo, and not for sale, but might seat selected frequent flyers.
Consequently with this change of configuration, the amount of Y-class seats is less, but with identical seats as you got on your flights.

Quoting JL418 (Reply 5):
But I think the whole Japan has this habit, never seen - as an example - 4 agents guarding a small roadwork.

That's the problem of Japan and it's cultural thing. This country should become more open to the world and also accepts foreign influences in business strategies and personal life, to stay successful in the future.
In the history, the isolated island of Japan, became very big and important, when they introduced a lot of new technology etc. They were on their own, and the main player. Japan became an interesting and successful country.
Now, it's not anymore. Japan economy is hit very badly, other countries are growing and booming, e.g China, India. Japan needs to change, and then you cannot keep staff for everything. The same applies for JAL. It's their very own fault and mistake that they are in a terrible situation right now. And if they loose, bad luck for them. They deserved it.
I hope JAL finally learns from it's mistakes and can restart with a complete new strategy. There might be a bright future for this airline, but they should change their mind 180° first.

(btw, quoting: select text by mouse, making it a 'block'. Then press the quote button on top of the original message. That's it).

btw, here you can find the C-class product which is also offered currently on the MXP flights (B744), also my report was on B772 from AMS (same style service by JAL).

To The Land Of The Rising Sun (JAL In J-class) (by Airbuseric Jul 19 2009 in Trip Reports)

[Edited 2010-01-17 14:54:28 by airbuseric]


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User currently offlineTriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10477 times:
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Thx for your TR. Japan Airlines does have good service on their international flights...I have flown both them and ANA. I really would like to see JAL make it...I have seen them in the tope 10 lists of international service. My first flights on them (NRT-BKK-NRT) went above my expectations and I sent an email to JAL to let them know. Like being upgraded to business class on the return flight because economy class was oversold.
NRT has 2 terminals. The SQ A380 flies out of Terminal 1 so that's why you didn't see it. Both terminals have indoor and outdoor observation decks. Terminal 1 would be the one to go to for the A380 and long haul flights because it overlooks the longer runway at NRT. The Japanese take their plane spotting very seriously and the observation decks are user friendly. At KIX you have to take a bus to the observation deck which is at the end of the runway. It is in a building with several restaurants and stores and is very interesting.
The Hotel Nikko at Kansai Airport is very nice but also very expensive. They have a lounge on the 12th floor which overlooks the airport and gives you nice views there. I have stayed at the Washington Hotel which is much cheaper. You have to take a bus or train across the bridge to get there.
Thx for the TR, it brings back nice memories of my time in Japan. And I'm glad you could ride the Nozomi N700 Shinkansen. Expensive, but a very fast way to get around Japan. I'm sure you noticed that Japan's train system is one of the most sophisticated in the world. (Probably the most sophisticated, in my opinion)



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User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10384 times:



Quoting Triple7man (Reply 7):

I had more or less your same impression about JL's in-flight service. Food wasn't high-cuisine and the IFE was somewhat outdated, but their kindness and the fact they were coming and going every 20-30 minutes with drinks and snacks was the absolute plus. Many airlines don't do that, and I'm terrible sorry for JL as I heard their shares have fallen to 5 yen today.

Japanese train system is something astonishing, really. I've ridden a lot on the Yamanote and other JR urban lines, and I've never seen such clean, on time and safe trains in my whole life. And I was expecting them to be more pricy than they actually were. The Shinkansen was really fast, they got nearly a train every 10 mins on the Tokaido Nozomi line, but the ride was a little bumpy in my opinion. Italians Eurostars are not as fast or as frequent as Nozomi, but the ride is absolutely smooth.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):


That's the problem of Japan and it's cultural thing. This country should become more open to the world and also accepts foreign influences in business strategies and personal life, to stay successful in the future.
In the history, the isolated island of Japan, became very big and important, when they introduced a lot of new technology etc. They were on their own, and the main player. Japan became an interesting and successful country.
Now, it's not anymore. Japan economy is hit very badly, other countries are growing and booming, e.g China, India. Japan needs to change, and then you cannot keep staff for everything. The same applies for JAL. It's their very own fault and mistake that they are in a terrible situation right now. And if they loose, bad luck for them. They deserved it.
I hope JAL finally learns from it's mistakes and can restart with a complete new strategy. There might be a bright future for this airline, but they should change their mind 180° first.


I've been there for just two weeks, but I tend to agree with you. Japan needs somehow to change, JAL first. And thanks for the quoting tip, it was really hepful - every forum I go onto has different ways of quoting and so on, and I'm not really a computer geek...

Oh, I nearly forgot: thanks for sharing your TR link, it was a nice read. Did you post a similar trip, AMS-NRT on C, before? I remember it included a rainy descent on Chiba prefecture, and the author (you, if I remember well) was travelling for working reasons. I'm a little bit disappointed to see that Y on the 772 is actually almost the same on the one I've flown in, I was expecting it to be more updated.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10000 times:



Quoting JL418 (Reply 2):
We spotted about 37 (been counting 'em!) JAL staff members climbing those stairs to go cleaning JA8920; unsurprisingly, we found it as cleen as if it was new.

Caught them red-handed. Even with all the money they've been bleeding, they are still hopelessly overemploying staff. Those 15,000 job cuts can't come fast enough.



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