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Northwest Tri-Jets To Germany In 1999 (Many Pics)  
User currently offlineBZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 264 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 22800 times:

Hello Everyone:

With this trip report I hope to recall a bygone era of aviation, a time when the 727 routinely whisked passengers through the skies of the U.S. and the DC-10 plied the passenger routes of the North Atlantic. This era is not yet even ten years behind us, and yet it seems so long ago compared to the modern age of glass cockpits and inflight WiFi. Even Northwest Airlines itself is now a subject of the past. May this report bring back memories for those who experienced flights similar to those in this report, and may it provide a glimpse into the past for those who did not.

I was 17 years old when I embarked on this journey in August of 1999. As a high school student from a small town in Montana, I had never been away from home for an extended period of time. But I knew the world beyond was immense and interesting, and I wanted to see it. Thanks to a generous invitation from close friends of my family, who are German, I was given the opportunity to live, study and spend a half-year in the northern Bavarian city of Wuerzburg.

Given that this trip took place more than ten years ago, I do not remember every aspect, but I do remember a lot. I recently found a number of print photos, which helped refresh my memory; I also found a series of notes I scribbled about the details of the flights, which further aided me in filling in missing information. Added together, I have enough detail to hopefully provide an interesting and informative account of my travels. The scans of my photographs are not the best quality, but this was before the age of the digital camera, and I hope they are acceptable enough for this report.

In the months leading up to my departure, I spoke frequently with my German friends on the telephone. I was excited to leave, but also nervous about the unknown. In mid-June, my father started to arrange my ticket, which, in those days, meant working through a travel agent. Several days later, he had booked my flight with a departure of August 7, 1999 from Bozeman to Frankfurt on Northwest Airlines. I would not find out the exact itinerary or routing, however, until my paper ticket arrived in the mail at the travel agency. A week passed and I finally received the call that my ticket had been delivered. I rushed to the agency and picked it up. As soon as I was outside the building, I ripped open the envelope, eager to see my itinerary and what aircraft types I would experience. My eyes darted across the sheet and I quickly saw that I would fly the following route: Bozeman-Minneapolis-Detroit-Frankfurt. This meant I would experience two new airports (DTW and FRA) and also log my first flights on the 757 (MSP-DTW) and DC-10 (DTW-FRA). I was thrilled! Below is an image of the document I saw that day; this was, quite literally, my ticket to the world!



The weeks passed quickly and before I knew it, August 7 arrived. At 06:00 that morning, I left the house with my mother and sister and made the twenty minute drive to the airport. My father and step-mother also arrived at the terminal shortly thereafter to see me off. Check-in was quick as I recall, even though I had a very large suitcase plus a ski bag; it was the middle of summer, but Austrian snow awaited me over the Christmas holiday. As you can see in the images below, these were the good old days when ticket jackets were a standard part of check-in and boarding passes were always made of thick, card-like paper.

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After I checked in, it was time to make my way through security. In those days, security was a quick and easy affair, and my entire family also went through the lone metal detector and joined me at the gate. After an emotional farewell (both for me and my family), I headed down the jet-bridge and began the biggest adventure of my life thus far.

Flight #: NW446
Date: August 7, 1999
Route: BZN-MSP
Aircraft Type: Boeing 727-251/Adv
Aircraft Registration: N295US (cn 21506/1392), delivered September 1978
Scheduled Departure: 08:35 MDT
Scheduled Arrival: 11:57 CDT
Actual Takeoff: 08:43 MDT
Actual Landing: Approximately 11:45 am CDT
Flight Time: Approximately 2:00
Distance: 874 mi/1,407 km
Altitude: Unknown
Seat: 14A
My Logbook: 5th flight on Northwest, 10th flight on the 727

I took my seat at 14A next to a window on the left-hand side of the aircraft. At the time, flying in a 727 was commonplace, but I was still excited, as I considered the Boeing tri-jet my favorite type. I took a photo of the sleek wing reflecting the morning light while still parked at the gate.

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We pushed back a few minutes early at 08:31, the engines spooled to life, and the aircraft began a right-hand turn away from the ramp and toward the taxiway. Meanwhile, my mother took photos from inside the terminal. In my opinion, the 727 is (and always will be) one of the most beautiful and elegant airliners.

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As we began the taxi to RWY 30, the flaps were extended to takeoff configuration and the leading edge slats deployed, as seen in the picture below.

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At 08:43, we lined up and began the takeoff roll. At this moment I remember feeling simultaneously excited and sad to leave home; regardless, there was no turning back at this point, and we quickly powered down the runway.

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The terminal building, roughly at mid-field, appeared as we began to rotate toward the blue above.

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A few seconds later we were airborne and climbing out toward the northwest.

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Over the arid terrain of the Horseshoe Hills west of the airport, we commenced a broad, 180-degree left-hand turn.

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As the tri-jet assumed an easterly heading, we climbed into the upper flight-levels. I watched with a bit of sadness as the Bridger Mountains near Bozeman slipped behind the left wing.

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We soon leveled off, although I do not recall our cruising altitude. However, I would guess we probably cruised at FL330, which seemed to be the most common altitude for eastbound flights of this duration (this was before the era of Reduced Vertical Separation Minima (RVSM), which meant the only other options would have been a relatively low FL290 or a relatively high FL370). Once straight and level, the breakfast service began. I do not have any pictures but I do recall being served a bowl of cereal and a banana in addition to a beverage. Remember, this was a 2-hour domestic flight in coach class. Not bad! This is one example of how much the aviation industry has changed in the last 10 years, both for the better (affordability of tickets) and the worse (security theater and minimal service).

As we continued eastward, the landscape was replaced by a thick cloudscape, which persisted for the remainder of the flight.

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The tires hit the runway at MSP around 11:45 CDT after approximately two hours on the wing from BZN. I do not recall the runway on which we landed, or the gate at which we arrived, but thanks to the wealth of online data available through the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics website, I do know that we reached the gate at 11:53 CDT, four minutes ahead of our scheduled arrival time.

With just about 45 minutes until boarding would begin for the flight to DTW, I did not have a lot of time of look around. I remember calling my parents briefly from a payphone to tell them I had made it safely to Minneapolis; I think I was already a little homesick at that point. After that, I headed off to the gate, looking forward to boarding a 757 for the first time!

Flight #: NW762
Date: August 7, 1999
Route: MSP-DTW
Aircraft Type: Boeing 757-251
Aircraft Registration: N519US / SN 23207 / Manufactured 1986
Scheduled Departure: 13:10 CDT
Scheduled Arrival: 16:07 EDT
Actual Takeoff: 13:51 CDT
Actual Landing: Approximately 16:00 EDT
Flight Time: Approximately 1:10
Distance: 528 mi/850 km
Altitude: FL410
Seat: 38A
My Logbook: 6th flight on Northwest, 1st flight on the 757

As I entered the aircraft and made my way toward seat 38A near the back, I recall that I was impressed by the length of this plane; I knew the 757 looked long and sleek from the outside, and the length of the aisle seemed to match. We pushed back just a few minutes late, at about 13:15, and after a 35-minute taxi were airborne.

I do not recall anything about the inflight service, but I assume it was a standard drink run on this relatively short hop. I do remember that the woman sitting next to me had several bananas and offered me one, which I accepted; somehow those random acts of kindness are easy to remember.

The other aspect of this flight that I remember was the announcement from the flightdeck indicating that our cruise altitude was a rather high FL410. This was my first time above the 40,000 foot mark, and as far as I know, my only time; in the ten years and hundreds of flights I have taken since, I do not think I have gone higher than FL390.

I snapped a couple of pictures from the lofty perch of 41,000 feet. It was a pleasure to experience that big 757 wing for the first time. What a beauty!

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After a short cruise, we began our descent; I took several photos of the final approach and landing in a gray and rainy Detroit.

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Arriving in Detroit constituted another first for me: my first time at DTW and, for that matter, in the state of Michigan. Even though I did not leave the airport, I decided to add Michigan to the list of states I have visited.

I deplaned and headed directly for the gate of my departing FRA flight. I only had 45 minutes until boarding and did not have much time to explore the terminal (this was the old facility, before NW moved into the present-day McNamara Terminal), but I was able to grab a couple photos of the large tri-jet about to carry me across the Atlantic.

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Next, I found a payphone and called home to say goodbye one final time before leaving the country. No one answered. I left a shaky voice message, trying not to sound nervous but obviously feeling that way; I hung up the phone and headed back to the gate.

Flight #: NW52
Date: August 7-8, 1999
Route: DTW-FRA
Aircraft Type: McDonnell Douglas DC-10-40
Aircraft Registration: N162US / SN 46771 / Manufactured 1974 (now scrapped)
Scheduled Departure: 17:30 EDT
Scheduled Arrival: 07:40 CEDT
Actual Takeoff: Unknown
Actual Landing: Unknown
Flight Time: Approximately 7:50
Distance: 4,154 mi/6,685 km
Altitude: FL290 initially
Seat: 29J
My Logbook: 7th flight on Northwest, 1st flight on the DC-10

Boarding began and at the appropriate time I joined the queue and found my way on board. This was my first time on a DC-10 and only my fourth on a widebody aircraft; the cabin seemed cavernous! I took my seat at 29J, a right-side window, and watched as the cargo was loaded beneath me.

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The flight attendants soon came through the aisles with complimentary headsets. I plugged mine in and sat back, listened to music and tried to relax. Eventually the boarding door closed and, luckily for me, the single seat next to mine remained unoccupied. Extra room to spread out!

As I recall, we pushed back on schedule, though I do not remember the exact time. We taxied across the wet asphalt and soon crossed onto and lined up on the active runway, 03L (this runway now carries the identifier 04R).

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The massive tri-jet barreled down the runway and the wing eventually took hold, flexing upward as it assumed the full weight of the aircraft. We smoothly rotated and I rocketed upward and away, leaving my home-country soil and destined for another.

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As we climbed out, the Northwest gates slipped quickly behind our right wing.

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We continued northeast over Ontario and soon the flight deck announced we had reached our initial cruising altitude of 29,000 feet; we would climb higher, the pilot explained, after burning off some fuel. The flight attendants began the beverage and meal services; I unfortunately do not have photos of the offerings, but I recall that I was served a hot dinner; I am sure it was standard airline quality food and was probably similar to what one would receive on a U.S. carrier on a transatlantic route today (nothing too exciting). I do remember that the flight attendant asked me if I would like wine with dinner; I replied that I did not, but she asked again, just to make sure. I know the rule is/was that on all U.S. carriers, passengers must be 21 years old to consume alcohol on board, even when destined for a foreign country. I was only 17 at the time, and certainly did not look a day older than that, so I was confused at the fact that she twice offered me wine. Perhaps I looked nervous and she thought it would take the edge off?  

As we flew east, the sun set quickly. I can rarely sleep while flying, but I sprawled out across both seats and watched the movie October Sky, a mildly entertaining flick about a teenage rocket scientist. Do not ask me why I remember the title of the movie ten years later, but for some reason I do. There were no personal screens, of course, just the old fashioned projector beaming the movie onto the bulkhead wall.

The movie ended and the time passed quickly; soon I spied lights on the ground. This was approximately 5.5 to 6 hours into the flight, so I assume I was looking at a pre-dawn Ireland. A short time later the sky grew light ahead and we entered the pink and purple world of the early morning.

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As we continued into the rising sun, the shadow on the upper surface of the wing gave way to a pink hue reflecting off the metal.

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The sun rises quickly when flying east at more than 500 knots and we soon found ourselves in full daylight.


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Approximately an hour before landing the flight attendants offered breakfast. I do not recall the details, but I do remember having several cups of coffee and feeling rather buzzed on caffeine as we began our descent. Once over the continent, a thick cloud cover obscured the ground below, while blue skies prevailed above.

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We continued downward and eventually entered the overcast.

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West of the Frankfurt area, the big tri-jet dropped out of the clouds and I got a glimpse of the German countryside. I thought about how the country below would be my home for the next half-year.

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As we descended toward the east, we began our approach for RWY 07R.

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The massive flaps soon extended from the trailing edge of the wing. In every aspect, the DC-10 simply has a strong and sturdy appearance.

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We settled into a gradual flare while swooping overhead the north end of RWY 18/36 at FRA.

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The tires hit German asphalt sometime before 08:00 local time (I do not remember exactly when) after about 7.5 hours on the wing.

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I always feel somewhat sad whenever a flight lands, because the thrill is over, at least until the next time. On this occasion, I felt simultaneously trepid and excited to get off the aircraft and get on with this new chapter in my life. After a short taxi we docked at one of the D gates at Terminal 2. On the way out the door, I asked the flight attendant if I could visit the flight deck. She obliged and led me to the front office, where I had a brief conversation with the First Officer; he pointed out the notable gauges and switches and after a minute or two hurried me along. It was a great experience, although I regret not taking any photographs.

Within an hour, I was through immigration, collected my baggage and found my German family waiting for me on the far side of customs. We walked to the parking garage, jumped in the Ford Transit and headed in the direction of Wuerzburg. The next six months were incredible and difficult; unforgettable and educational. But that is another story. If anyone reading this report, whether in high school, university or later in life, is considering taking a chance and living abroad for the first time, I urge you to do so. Regardless of whether you stay 6 months or 6 years, or go to a neighboring country or the far side of the globe, it will enrich your life in countless ways. In the ten years since Northwest Airlines carried me to Frankfurt, I have spent nearly half of that time outside my home country. But that trip was the first, and a decade later I fondly remember much of it as though it were yesterday. I am sure many readers of Airliners.net have similar experiences and would agree with this statement: Go abroad!

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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 22763 times:

Now that was one hell of a trip report! So unique, you remember so many details, not to mention all those lovely photos. Can't believe how much of the world has changed in just a decade. Thank you very much for shering!


"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22543 times:

Thanks for this great well-documented TR. I can't believe how short the DC-10 wing is, compared to the ubiquitous 777/330 across the pond.

User currently offlinegjunnar From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 22312 times:

I have read many reports from you over time but this one definitely was very special. Amazing how you recall details after 10+ years. Great memories from almost another era of flight (pre 9-11, DC-10, 727, old DTW terminal, NW).

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
Go abroad!

I couldn't agree more. I have done it and can only recommend anybody to do so!


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22072 times:

First off, where to begin? Thank you so much for posting this incredible report -- I regularly check this forum about a few times a week and I've read countless trip reports, but I think this is definitely up there among the best I've ever read.

I flew Northwest more times than I could count as a kid, especially around the 1995-2000 time period. Mostly on trips to visit my grandparents. We'd always connect in MSP and/or DTW while on our way to DCA, flying everything from the DC-9 to the 727 to the 320 and the 757. And then we went to Hawaii a few times via SEA and LAX via the DC-10 which were some of the fondest aviation experiences of my life. So, as you could imagine, this trip report did an incredible job at bringing back memories. I even remember one Hawaii trip where I sat in a seat that had to have been really close to where you're sitting.

Also, thank you so much for taking pictures of the old DTW terminal on takeoff. I've been searching everywhere for decent photos of the old (Berry?) terminal complex, and they're extraordinarily hard to find. Finally, a glimpse back to the terminal I used to visit fairly often when I was a little kid.

This trip brought back incredible memories of the best time period in aviation for me, for so many reasons. I don't comment nearly as often as I should on trip reports, but I can tell you that this one struck a chord with me enough that I felt compelled to say thank you for posting. So, thank you.  

Cheers,
Anthony


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22068 times:

WOWOWOW!!


Awesome trip report.
You are a lucky guy to go in 727 and DC-10.Wish they were here today.

Love the red "ants" pic on takeoff from DTW.Hehe yeah, they look like red ants!

Thanks for this very rare TR and a nice experience.  

[Edited 2010-02-06 01:23:59]


Keep flying, because the sky is no limit!
User currently offlinespootter10 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21987 times:

Thank you so much for this TR!

I can relate to your experience very much since in 1999 I went abroad, too, for a couple of months. For me it was the other way round though: I went to high school in Tualatin, Oregon and stayed with a lovely family.

And, like you, the years after I spend various months in different countries for studies and work experience.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1907 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21462 times:
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Thanks for a great read! I sure miss the DC-10 red tails at AMS!

Regards,

Martijn



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User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21126 times:

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
If anyone reading this report, whether in high school, university or later in life, is considering taking a chance and living abroad for the first time, I urge you to do so.

Great report, good photos, and a perfect message.

I did a school exchange to Germany (Frankfurt) as a senior in high school- definitely opened my eyes to the rest of the world outside the U.S. How things have changed since that summer in 2001 though...

Even more enriching was a university study abroad in Salzburg, Austria in 2005 for 6 months. Departure was a whirlwind for me but I could tell my friends and esp. my family were going to miss having me around. The whole experience went by so fast though- I didn't want to come home and leave new friends, etc. I was really bored upon return.

Go abroad and go often. I do. Some people think I'm crazy but I'm just baffled at how they remain content by staying in one familiar place for so long  



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6937 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20848 times:

Hi BZNPilot,

great report, very enjoyable.

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
Even Northwest Airlines itself is now a subject of the past. May this report bring back memories for those who experienced flights similar to those in this report, and may it provide a glimpse into the past for those who did not.

I flew FRA-DTW-LAX-DTW-FRA on NWA im summer 2000 on DC-10-30s, a DC-10-40 and a 757-200 - my first and last DC-10 flights. Your report brings back many memories.

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
Below is an image of the document I saw that day; this was, quite literally, my ticket to the world!

727, DC-10, DC-9 - perfect mix!

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
In my opinion, the 727 is (and always will be) one of the most beautiful and elegant airliners.

I can only agree.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently onlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20765 times:

Excellent report and great pictures.

it brings me memories of myself flying on TWA and their 727's also! Great times to be had!

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20590 times:

Great Report,

It really is amazing how much things have changed in 10 years. I remember my first trip to Europe, it was in Feb 2006 from DTW-FRA, but on a 333, when I was 16 years old. Even then, the DC10's were long gone from TATL service and the New Terminal had been open for 4 years already.

I can't agree with your "go abroad" message more. Many thanks for sharing.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 20575 times:

Wow. Just wow!! Very cool, thanks a ton for posting this!!

Interesting to see they used the DC10-40's to Europe well after they had a sizable DC10-30 fleet. I had thought the -40's eventually went over to strictly domestic and Hawaii flights but... I guess not!!

Great pics on the 727 too. Will miss that plane more than any other airliner.  


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20284 times:

WOW! So cool! Thanks for writing this and sharing your pictures!

As someone who flies through DTW but has only ever experienced the McNamara terminal...it was cool to see what the old one looked like!

Where can I find details on the old terminal, where was it located relative to the new Terminal and the North Terminal?


User currently offlineBZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20001 times:

Hello Everyone! Thanks so much for taking the time to comment, I'm really glad you enjoyed the report.

Hi El-AL,

Quoting AL" class="quote" target="_blank">EL-AL (Reply 1):
Now that was one hell of a trip report! So unique, you remember so many details, not to mention all those lovely photos. Can't believe how much of the world has changed in just a decade. Thank you very much for shering!
Thanks for reading and for your nice comments! Yes, it is just amazing how much things have changed...especially in aviation, which is such a dynamic industry in many ways.

Hi Phatfarmlines,

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 2):
Thanks for this great well-documented TR. I can't believe how short the DC-10 wing is, compared to the ubiquitous 777/330 across the pond.

Appreciate the nice feedback. You bring up a good point about the DC-10 wing. Hadn't thought about that before, but yes, the DC10 wing is noticeably stubby in comparison to the wings of more modern aircraft.

Thank you Gjunnar, very nice to hear from you once again!

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 3):
I have read many reports from you over time but this one definitely was very special.

Thanks! It was obviously a special trip for me personally, so I'm glad the report had that effect also.

Quoting gjunnar (Reply 3):
I couldn't agree more. I have done it and can only recommend anybody to do so!

Absolutely!

Hi Airport,

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
First off, where to begin? Thank you so much for posting this incredible report -- I regularly check this forum about a few times a week and I've read countless trip reports, but I think this is definitely up there among the best I've ever read.

Thanks so much for your kind words! There are a lot of amazing trip reports on this forum, so your comments are much appreciated!

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
So, as you could imagine, this trip report did an incredible job at bringing back memories. I even remember one Hawaii trip where I sat in a seat that had to have been really close to where you're sitting.

Glad it brought back memories for you, I was hoping that the report would have that effect on people. Your Hawaii trip must have been wonderful; imagine landing in paradise aboard a DC-10! I guess it doesn't get much better than that?

Quoting Airport (Reply 4):
Also, thank you so much for taking pictures of the old DTW terminal on takeoff. I've been searching everywhere for decent photos of the old (Berry?) terminal complex, and they're extraordinarily hard to find. Finally, a glimpse back to the terminal I used to visit fairly often when I was a little kid.

Yes, I did a bit of research on the old DTW facilities when I was writing this report and for some reason there was not much info available online. Maybe some fellow A.netters know where to look?

Hi Jayeshrulz, thanks for your comments!

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 5):
You are a lucky guy to go in 727 and DC-10.Wish they were here today.
Yes, I was very lucky to be on those aircraft. I was very excited at the time, of course, although it is only with the passing of 10 years that I realize how glad I am to have experienced them.
Love the red "ants" pic on takeoff from DTW.Hehe yeah, they look like red ants!

They do. I will miss those red ants...

Hi Spootter10, thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to post!

Quoting spootter10 (Reply 6):
Thank you so much for this TR!
I can relate to your experience very much since in 1999 I went abroad, too, for a couple of months. For me it was the other way round though: I went to high school in Tualatin, Oregon and stayed with a lovely family.

Glad you enjoyed your time in Oregon. Definitely one of the nicer parts of the US in my opinion. Thanks again and take care.

Hi CrimsonNL,

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 7):
Thanks for a great read! I sure miss the DC-10 red tails at AMS!

Glad you enjoyed the report. Yes, the DC-10 red tails are sorely missed. Soon all of the NW red tails will be, too, I guess. Weird how AMS is now a sort of Delta hub, eh!?

Hi Av8rDAL,

Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 8):
I did a school exchange to Germany (Frankfurt) as a senior in high school- definitely opened my eyes to the rest of the world outside the U.S. How things have changed since that summer in 2001 though...
Even more enriching was a university study abroad in Salzburg, Austria in 2005 for 6 months. Departure was a whirlwind for me but I could tell my friends and esp. my family were going to miss having me around. The whole experience went by so fast though- I didn't want to come home and leave new friends, etc. I was really bored upon return.
Go abroad and go often. I do. Some people think I'm crazy but I'm just baffled at how they remain content by staying in one familiar place for so long  
Thanks for your comments. You can definitely relate then! Frankfurt is a great city in my opinion and the surrounding countryside is quite nice as well. Yeah, amazing how things have changed...makes me wonder where things will be in 10 years?
I always wondered how people can stay in the same place their whole lives. My aunt lived in the same small town in Nebraska for 80 years. I definitely couldn't handle that...

Hi PlaneHunter, thanks for posting.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
I flew FRA-DTW-LAX-DTW-FRA on NWA im summer 2000 on DC-10-30s, a DC-10-40 and a 757-200 - my first and last DC-10 flights. Your report brings back many memories.

Nice route, and cool that you got both the -30 and -40 versions!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
In my opinion, the 727 is (and always will be) one of the most beautiful and elegant airliners.
I can only agree.

Yes, it is a shame they are relatively rare these days.

Hi Atrude777,

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 10):
it brings me memories of myself flying on TWA and their 727's also! Great times to be had!

Great that you got to experience TWA. I never did, unfortunately. That's another example of how much things have changed in the last 10 years...TWA is now a distant memory. Thanks for your comments!

Hi CAP2008,

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 11):

It really is amazing how much things have changed in 10 years. I remember my first trip to Europe, it was in Feb 2006 from DTW-FRA, but on a 333, when I was 16 years old.

Guess we were on the same route, albeit a different aircraft!

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 11):
I can't agree with your "go abroad" message more. Many thanks for sharing.

Absolutely! Thanks again.

Hi Transpac787,

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
Interesting to see they used the DC10-40's to Europe well after they had a sizable DC10-30 fleet. I had thought the -40's eventually went over to strictly domestic and Hawaii flights but... I guess not!!
Interesting, I didn't know about the different utilization of the -30s and -40s.
Great pics on the 727 too. Will miss that plane more than any other airliner.

Yes, they are indeed missed. At least there are still some 727 freighters still chugging away, but the time of the 727 is definitely over. Thanks for reading!

Hi Burj,

Quoting Burj (Reply 13):
WOW! So cool! Thanks for writing this and sharing your pictures!

You're welcome, thanks for reading.

Quoting Burj (Reply 13):
Where can I find details on the old terminal, where was it located relative to the new Terminal and the North Terminal?

It seems the location of the new North Terminal is between where the old Berry and Smith terminals were located. http://www.eturbonews.com/5027/new-n...opolitan-airport-set-wednesday-ope That airport has sure seen a lot of changes in the last 10 years.

Thanks again, everyone!
BZNPilot


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6670 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19782 times:

Hi !

Great report! Amazing that you remember so much from that trip over ten years ago. Interesting how things have changed.

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
In every aspect, the DC-10 simply has a strong and sturdy appearance.

I have to disagree with you on that, at least when compared to the L-1011 which to me always felt way more strong and sturdy than the DC-10. I guess it all depends on your own references.

The777Man



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8588 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19740 times:
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Hi,

Nice read and pictures, a great blast of the past to for many happier times.

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
May this report bring back memories for those who experienced flights similar to those in this report

- Sure did, brought back memories of NW flying back in 1986, DUB-SHN-BOS-ORD & LKN-MSP-BOS-SHN-DUB, a nice mix of 741, 727-100 & 200 + a DC-10-40!

Quoting BZNPilot (Thread starter):
my entire family also went through the lone metal detector and joined me at the gate

- Ah the good old days.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlinejeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19502 times:

I miss the 727 and the DC-10. The 727 was my favorite airplane, and the DC-10 was the first wide body airplane that I ever flew on.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19274 times:

Great retro report. Some really nice photos there. Loved the DC-10's and B727's.

Thanks for sharing

OA260


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3357 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19056 times:

Well done for that, it captured the innocence of flying back then, when it was so much fun. Wow.   


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User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18906 times:

most enjoyable. I loved the aged quality of the photos but my absolute favorite is the one your mother took - it oozes bygone American times and you can clearly see the reflection of your mum which strangely adds to the photo...

Many thanks. Excuse bad punctuation - sprained wrist after a heavy saturday night!

L.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18904 times:

What! No pics of the IFE!  

I rememeber landing at Schiphol on my first trip to Europe in 1998 and being surprised by the red tails (esp. how faded most were). Your report brings it all rushing back. Thanks!

Kent


User currently offlineB737100 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

You did an amazing job of reconstructing all your data to create a very nicely detailed TR! Nice Job! Now, I noticed you came back on a different routing FRA/AMS/MSP/BZN on KL F70, B747 and NW DC9 stretch equipment. Would you treat us to a return TR? If you have time, that would be great! I'm also curious was the stretch DC9 a series 30 or 50? I think the 50s came from NC. I think by 1999 the DC9 super 80 was referred to as a MD80. Thanks!


Regards,

will



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User currently offlineogre727 From UK - England, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18629 times:

wow... simply amazing trip report.... it reminded me of my first time across the pond... it was also NW, a DC10, from Detroit but it was to Amsterdam.... you brought so many good memories some parts of your report gave me the chills, the good chills...

Thank you so very much.



Sigh
User currently offlineBZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18119 times:

Hi Everyone,

Once again, thanks to all who left comments. I'm happily surprised at the feedback you all have given for this report!

Hi 777Man,

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
I have to disagree with you on that, at least when compared to the L-1011 which to me always felt way more strong and sturdy than the DC-10.

Could very well be. I never did (unfortunately) get the chance to experience the L-1011. It sure looks like a sturdy beast, though.

Hi Mark,

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 17):
Sure did, brought back memories of NW flying back in 1986, DUB-SHN-BOS-ORD & LKN-MSP-BOS-SHN-DUB, a nice mix of 741, 727-100 & 200 + a DC-10-40!

Thanks for your comments. What a great mix of aircraft there...especially the 747-100 and 727-100. Must have been cool.

Hi Jeffrey1970,

Quoting jeffrey1970 (Reply 18):
I miss the 727 and the DC-10.

Me too! Writing this report made me feel very nostalgic. Thanks for posting.

Hi OA260,

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Great retro report. Some really nice photos there. Loved the DC-10's and B727's.
OA260

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

Hi readytotaxi,

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 20):
Well done for that, it captured the innocence of flying back then, when it was so much fun. Wow.

Thanks! Yes, these were more innocent times. Flying is still fun (at least for me) but the innocence is long gone.

Hi lukeyboy95,

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 21):
most enjoyable. I loved the aged quality of the photos but my absolute favorite is the one your mother took - it oozes bygone American times and you can clearly see the reflection of your mum which strangely adds to the photo...

Appreciate your comments! Haha, I noticed the reflection of my mom in that photo, but it didn't occur to me that it might add to the photo in some way. But you're right...when I think about it anew, it does give it an interesting quality. Thanks again!

Hi Kent350787,

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 22):
What! No pics of the IFE!  
Nope, unfortunately not.  
I rememeber landing at Schiphol on my first trip to Europe in 1998 and being surprised by the red tails (esp. how faded most were). Your report brings it all rushing back. Thanks!

Glad it brought back some memories...thanks for reading and commenting!

Hi Will,

Quoting B737100 (Reply 23):
Now, I noticed you came back on a different routing FRA/AMS/MSP/BZN on KL F70, B747 and NW DC9 stretch equipment. Would you treat us to a return TR? If you have time, that would be great! I'm also curious was the stretch DC9 a series 30 or 50? I think the 50s came from NC. I think by 1999 the DC9 super 80 was referred to as a MD80. Thanks!

Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Yes, I came back on the FRA-AMS-MSP-BZN routing. It was also a great experience because it was my first time on the F70 (any Fokker, actually), and my first time on the DC-9-50. You're right, a lot of the -50s carry the NC registration. I actually considered doing another report for the return on Jan. 15, 2000, but unfortunately I'm lacking the photos and data required to make it any good! I did take quite a few pics during the daylight F70 flight (FRA-AMS), but the late afternoon flight from AMS-MSP was delayed until the evening. So from AMS all the way to BZN, everything was in the dark and I didn't take any pics. So I don't think I'll do one. Nonetheless, thanks again for your comments!


Hi Ogre727,

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 24):
wow... simply amazing trip report.... it reminded me of my first time across the pond... it was also NW, a DC10, from Detroit but it was to Amsterdam.... you brought so many good memories some parts of your report gave me the chills, the good chills...
Thank you so very much.

Thanks, really appreciate your comments. Glad you enjoyed it and that it brought back your own memories!

Best regards, everyone.

BZNPilot


25 Post contains images gpbcroppers63 : What a stunning report. Your descriptions of the feelings you had leaving your family brought back memories of my first time going abroad on my own. I
26 DeltaRules : Great job, loving the pictures. I miss the old DTW terminal...I never realized how squeezed together the planes seemed to be at those gates, though! M
27 MSPNWA : Wonderful TR. I read reports like this and can only imagine what it would have been like to ride on a DC-10 and 727 and visit DTW before the McNamara.
28 Post contains links and images Ryanair!!! : Thank you for the memories... This was also the era when I flew NWA a lot to USA and slightly before I became a member of airliners.net. Wow, time rea
29 Post contains images BZNPilot : Hi gpbcroppers63, Thanks for your remarks! I definitely agree about every kid living in a foreign country for 6 months. If that were to happen, the wo
30 dc9northwest : Wow, nice trip report BZNPilot. Truly wonderful memories, no doubt... Thank you! Reminds me of my first trip, also in the summer of 99... In fact, I w
31 BZNPilot : Hi dc9northwest, Thanks for your comments, glad the report brought back memories of your own interesting flights. Very interesting to hear your opinio
32 September11 : BZN is a cute airport. Great to see a Northwest 727-200 on this trip report. Thanks.
33 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Hey BZNPilot, What a fantastic trip down memory lane! This was such a pleasure to read, and brought back many fond memories I have from 10-15 years ag
34 MH017 : Sweet sweet memories coming back: great to see those red-tails again !!! Having flown my 1st transatlantic flight on PH-DTC, I vividly can remember th
35 KDTWflyer : That was a sweet TR! I wish there were more like this on here! I already miss NWA and the bowling shoe livery it was awesome.
36 Post contains images Aleksandar : Amazing TR I wasn't surprised with the level of information you still have memorized after a decade, because all of us, aviation enthusiasts, keep tho
37 Post contains images BZNPilot : Hi September 11, Haha, I agree! In my opinion, BZN and MRY are the two most charming small airports I've been to thus far. Both have a small-town, com
38 SDLSimme : Thanks for a great trip report! It brings back many memories for me from when I did my first trip across the Atlantic on my way to a foreign exchange
39 Post contains links jakeflyer : I miss the 727, DC-10s, and of course Northwest Airlines. I DON'T miss the old Detroit Airport. At the time it was my least favorite. My most memorabl
40 777ord : Fantastic trip report. Even more impressed by the detail of the flights themselves from years ago! I could not agree more with your statement on livin
41 9W748Capt : What a stunning report - not only that you were able to salvage such great pictures from a bygone era, but you're a hell of a writer too - it's so ref
42 richierich : Great trip report! It's not very often we are treated to a 10-year retro report with such details and clarity! Good for you - I count being at the air
43 BZNPilot : Hi Everyone, I hadn't checked the forum for awhile (in the midst of a busy move) and when I did I was shocked to see some fresh comments bringing this
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