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ROC->DTW->DFW And Back On Delta CRJs (mobile Pics)  
User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19615 times:

P E R S O N A L - I N T R O

This is my first trip report.

I have enjoyed reading trip reports on this forum for a long time and have lived vicariously through them. I've flown in first class on the most prestigious airlines in the world. I've flown to exotic locations all over the planet. I've experienced flights on some of the last aircraft of their kind still in service....all by reading your trip reports.

This is my small way of trying to give something back to the community. Maybe my short trips on CRJs within the U.S. will seem exotic to those who normally fly on A380s across oceans.

I must also beg your forgiveness for the poor pictures. They were all taken with my Treo 755p. Unfortunately with the culture of fear that has gripped the U.S. aviation industry, a minority male traveling by himself taking pictures with a normal camera would be asking for trouble.

B A C K G R O U N D

I live in Upstate New York, about a 4 to 5 hour drive from New York City. Within two hours are several airports, small regional ones such as ITH, ELM, and BGM, and a few larger ones such as SYR, ROC, and BUF. Last year I flew enough to obtain Gold Elite status on Northwest Airlines and Platinum Medallion status on Delta Air Lines. Delta and Northwest have now merged to create "The Premiere Global Airline" if the marketing is to be believed.

On January 31st, 2010 their operating certificates were merged and Northwest Airlines ceased to exist. Unfortunately I had a credit voucher from Northwest Airlines which I knew I would have a difficult time getting Delta Air Lines to honor. I had kept an eye out for any interesting flights I could use the credit towards before the Northwest Airlines website blinked out of existence.

It was a surprise when I saw a very cheap ticket from ROC to DFW via DTW and back in the same day. As I had never been to DFW before, and being a true northerner who had never been to Texas before, I figured it would be worth the trip.

Six days before the flight I checked on-line and sure enough my upgrades cleared for the flights between DTW and DFW which had first class cabins. It was odd that I hadn't received an email alerting me to the good news. Sure enough I checked an OLD email account and there was the email. This was not to be the only small computer problem I would notice during the trip.

On January 30th I set out in -4 F (which is -20 C) weather to drive to ROC. I went to the economy lot and at the automated gate I took my ticket and waited to hear from the attendant bark out "Row H!" I drove to "Row H" and found several empty spots. Within 1 minute of parking a shuttle van arrived and the driver handed me a slip with "Row H - Spot 22" written on it. This car to curb service from the economy lot is one of the great perks of ROC and is just one of the ways we Upstate people have adapted to life in the cold cruel dark winter! It was a short 10 minute ride to ROC with another couple heading to Florida on JetBlue. A quick rule of thumb, if the shuttle driver has to get out of their seat to help you with your suitcases you should definitely tip them a dollar or two. I didn't require his help but still left him a dollar in gratitude for picking me up so quickly in the cold January weather!

The ticketing area was quite busy as there are many early morning flights departing from ROC. Here is a picture I took in the evening on my return when the ticketing area was empty:

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The area is one long expanse with counters on either side of the one central security check point entrance. On one end of this expanse is a very cool public lounge.

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There is a very nice seating area with excellent views of the runway during daylight hours.

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I had plenty of time so I was not concerned with security. After having my boarding pass and my ID verified with the magic light I was sent to the shortest line. Unfortunately I was behind a young couple with a newborn baby complete with all the baby STUFF including the baby's SUV buggy. Whatever happened to simple strollers?

Sure enough they had all manner of large liquids that security told them had to be checked or discarded. There was a brief discuss as to whether hand lotion was a "liquid" which the TSA official assured them it was. To her credit the young mother turned to me and laughed and admitted that they don't fly much...

One important tip for getting through TSA is to know what you are doing and to demonstrate this knowledge by getting out your laptop and little bag of small liquids, taking off your shoes and coat, and having it all set up in the plastic bins and ready to go. Usually when they see this the TSA will not be surprised when you walk through the metal detector without setting it off. This morning I even got a smile and a "have a nice trip" as I collected my items on the other end.

Clearing security lead to a large plaza that runs parallel to the ticketing area which has several food vendors and a decent sized seating area which has a view of the tarmac between piers A and B.

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Heading toward my gate in pier B, I reached the end of the plaza and was confronted by a construction area. Fortunately they at least had pictures showing what the area will look like once it is completed!

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Along the outer walls of this circular area were large signs for the local hospital.

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Pier B is short and fairly typical.

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It does have a rather impressive bathroom. This was the first airport bathroom I had seen with a flight information display IN the bathroom itself!

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Notice my only carry on bag, my black backpack with my bright yellow "Flyertalk.com" priority tag, sitting on the counter.

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Near my gate was another typical flight information display.

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But what caught my eye was the fact that it said there were TWO flights to Detroit leaving from the same gate about 25 minutes apart!

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I approached the podium and asked if the flight was overbooked. One of the useful tricks I've learned from Flyertalk is that if you are flexible, ALWAYS be pro-active and ask if they might need volunteers.

I noticed that on the screen behind the podium they had the flight number for the 6:01 am flight displayed but they had a PIECE OF PAPER with "JFK" written on it TAPED onto the screen over where the screen said DETROIT.

Wow! This is Delta's IT at its finest! (Since the resolution is so low I haven't bothered to blur out any faces)

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While I was at the podium I asked if there would be a problem getting two flights out just 24 minutes apart from the same gate. The agent assured me both flights would be out on time and asked why I thought it would be a problem. I mentioned issues I'd had at BUF with this same situation. She smiled and admitted she had heard stories about BUF's issues with gates. I'll spare you all the story, but if anyone wants to know just ask and I'll post it in a reply.

I had time to walk back to the central plaza, past the construction site, and was able to get a picture of my CRJ-200 to DTW and the CRJ-200 to JFK, which had the jet-way attached.

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You'll notice how they are spaced apart and a good distance from the pier. This was done quite intentionally and was quite clever.


NW 4117
ROC to DTW
CRJ-200
N8659B
Scheduled Departure: 6:20 am
Push Back: 6:35 am
Takeoff: 7:05 am

Scheduled Arrival: 7:45 am
Actual Arrival: 8:00 am


The 6:01 am flight to JFK finished boarding and the jet-way was pulled away and was then slowly maneuvered through quite a large angle to connect to my CRJ-200 to DTW. In this picture you can see the wheels under the jet-way are turned at an angle to allow it to swing and the tip of the wing of the JFK CRJ-200 is on the left of the picture.

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Boarding commenced at about 20 minutes before departure. I was among one of the first on board as I had a Zone 1 boarding pass. It was COLD on that plane!

After boarding I managed a quick picture to show the curtain that was doing a completely inadequate job of keeping the cold out!

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We sat for a while until they finally closed the door. The pilot came on and apologized for the delay explaining there was a problem with the paper work, Delta's IT strikes again!

After de-icing we finally took off at 7:05 am. The flight was full and the lone FA did a quick beverage service offering soda, juice, coffee, and small snacks. Most people declined and sat back and tried to get some sleep.

I did mange one picture across the aisle to show just how useless the windows on a CRJ-200 truely are...

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They are small and located at about elbow height... Ironically the aisle seats on a CRJ-200 afford a better view out the windows than the actual window seats due to how low they are compared to the passenger seated at the window seat!

The flight was short and uneventful. It was interesting that the seat belt sign stayed on for the entire 55 minute flight. This has been a growing trend I've noticed on my US flights... The problem being that when the fasten seat belts sign stays on for the entire time, people just learn to ignore it!

At DTW we pulled into gate B10 as shown in this picture that also vividly illustrates the dots on all of DTW's windows that make plane spotting from within the airport a nightmare!

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Heading up the jet-way, at the bend was the shelving unit for valet checked bags to be retrieved.

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Let me digress and give a little primer on one of the "joys" of traveling by regional jet in the United States. The overhead bins on these jets are SMALL, far too small for most normal carry-on baggage. If you have carry-on baggage then you get a special "valet check" tag for your bag at your gate. If there is no jet-way you walk out to your regional jet and leave your tagged bag on a cart near the steps. The bags on stored in the back of the plane and are brought out at the destination airport for immediate retrieval by the passenger when leaving their regional jet.

If you depart or arrive at a gate with a jet-way they either ask you to wait right at the entrance of the jet-way OR they ask you to continue to the shelves that are built into the jet-way.

This system is different than gate checking your carry-on baggage because you take it with you when you leave your regional jet. So people who might be flying ROC->DTW->LAX would take a regional jet from ROC->DTW and valet check their carry-on baggage at ROC. They then retrieve their valet checked baggage at DTW and then go to their flight from DTW->LAX and take it with them onto their mainline (large) jet to LAX.

Each day several people who are not use to this system arrive at DTW and leave their valet checked bags behind thinking they were gate checked, only to find when they arrive at their final destination, say LAX, that their carry-on bag was left back on the shelf at the jet-way of their ROC->DTW regional jet flight!

Anyways sorry for that digression....

Having arrived at DTW a little late I didn't have time to take too many pictures, however I did take more on my return through DTW so I will just post all those pictures here...

With the merger Delta took over the Northwest World Gateway, also know as the McNamara terminal at DTW. It is a BEAUTIFUL facility and is one of the best in all of the United States.

The regional jets use the B/C concourse which is one long parallel.

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It is very passenger friendly, and as Northwest Airlines had many flights between Asia and DTW the signage often has Japanese in addition to English.

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At the far B end of the B/C parallel is an open lounge area.

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Looking outside from the B end of the B/C parallel affords a view of a good collection of snow removal equipment that is vital to DTW operations in winter. I also got a shot of a CRJ-200 in its original Northwest Airlink livery.

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Walking all the way to the other end, the C end of the B/C parallel, shows a drop down with many ground level gates.

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From the very end one can see the new North Terminal in the distance. It is the home of pretty much all airlines NOT named "Delta Air Lines" which have service to DTW.

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In the middle of the B/C parallel is the tunnel over to the A parallel.

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Here are the escalators down to the tunnel.

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And here is the tunnel.

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Words and pictures CANNOT do it justice...it has to be seen to be truly appreciated...there are numerous videos on youtube...here is a good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8oVaj8yQbo&feature=related

The light and sound show lasts about 15 minutes and continually loops.

Interestingly enough, you can "pause" the show if you think it will be too much for you:

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Making your way through the tunnel you then go up the escalators to the middle of the A concourse...

Here is a youtube clip showing the view as you come up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EW7eneuRws

This leaves you in the middle of the A concourse. I didn't have time to take too many pictures or ride the tram that runs along the length of the concourse.

Here are two pictures giving a feel for the size and openness of the concourse.

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Here is a view from the middle of the concourse, looking back towards the B/C concourse. In the foreground are the escalators up to the tram and the back of some flight information displays. In the background is the fountain and another lounge area.

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Here is a view of the front of the same flight information displays.

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Notice the planter next to it and that the planter has BLANK rocks in it.

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What many people do is take a BLANK stone from these areas and write a message on it. Most people also date their message. They then leave their individualized rock in the planters in the lounge area next to the fountain. This view of the fountain is very similar to the photo used in the "Up in the Air" movie poster!

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See any special rocks in this picture?

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Many of the rocks have messages in Japanese or Chinese, again a testament to the terminals status as a gateway to Asia!

If I had to speculate I would guess this custom of leaving messages on the rocks was started by Asian passengers with long layovers at DTW!

I am going to take a break here. I will continue this Trip Report later today with the next leg of the trip, the CRJ-900 flight from DTW to DFW and all the pictures I took at DFW!

Getting this first part posted was very difficult because I called my album in photobucket "DFW" however when I actually used "DFW" in the body of the trip report, the link to the photos stopped working! It took me quite a while to figure that out!

TO BE CONTINUED!

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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19267 times:

Great trip so far! It has been a long time since I've connected in DTW. I kinda miss the NW signage haha. Did they re-do or re-paint the monorail with a Delta theme yet?

Can't wait to read more!



Roar, lion, roar
User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18828 times:

CONTINUED!

After enjoying watching the RED tram zip by overhead at the A concourse, I realized it was time to continue on to DFW!

(As red is one of Delta's official colors, as evidenced by the red widget and the famous red flight attendant wrap dress, I would wager that the tram will stay red.)


NW 3571
DTW to DFW
CRJ-900
N908XJ
Scheduled Departure: 9:00 am
Push Back: 9:00 am
Takeoff: 9:30 am

Scheduled Arrival: 11:30 am
Actual Arrival: 11:35 am


Back at the B/C concourse I headed to B15 to see my ride to DFW, a CRJ-900, the cooler, larger, "older brother", version of the CRJ-200

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From the same spot but another angle, the A concourse can be see in the distance with a 747 waiting to cross the Pacific!

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A quick check with the gate agent if any volunteers would be needed, and again the flight was not oversold. Boarding commenced a few minutes later starting with first class. As my upgrade had cleared 6 days ago I was vigilant and had selected the coveted 1A!

On the CRJ-900s first class has a 1 x 2 seating and coach has 2 x 2 seating arrangement. Thus all the "A" seats in first class are both window AND aisle seats! 1A has the distinction of having the most leg room thanks to the lack of a seat in front of it. This also means no under seat storage, so it is helpful to board first to get first crack at the overhead bin space.

In first class the bins over the "A" seats are ridiculously small where as the bins over the "C" and "D" seats are much more reasonable. Being the first down the jet-way I managed to get a picture of the "magic curtain"

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It was pulled back to reveal an attractive young brunet who welcomed me with a smile and warm hello that seemed genuine and un-jaded by years of working as a FA.

Before heading down the jet-way I had already gotten my book and noise canceling headset from my bag. At my seat I quickly got a little something special out and as I stowed my bag over 1C and 1D the pretty young brunette offered to hang my coat and asked if I would like a drink.

I asked for my normal pre-departure beverage, a cran-apple with no ice. I then handed the FA the something special, a box of assorted chocolates to be shared with the rest of the flight crew.

Bringing chocolates for the flight crew is something I first read about on flyertalk and is something that might seem quite strange outside of the U.S.

Forgive another digression and I'll try to explain the reasoning and purpose. First off I always bring chocolates for the flight crew for long routes, anything close to 3+ hours. I also only do this for flights on U.S. carriers with American crews. The purpose of giving the flight crew chocolates is to show appreciation for their difficult, and often thankless, job and to help them get a quick sugar boost during a long flight. Crews have ALWAYS been appreciative of the small gesture. In fact the crews for airlines that historically treat their FAs the worst, are the ones who are most surprised and appreciative. Once on a PHL-PHX flight on USAirways an older FA came up from economy to give me a hug! As she bent down to hug me she saw I was a little surprised and said "I'm old enough that if I hug a passenger it isn't sexual harrasement!"

I always give this box:

http://www.storck.com/en/brand/merci/index.php

It is perfect as it is called "Merci", the box is flat so it travels well, the package is plastic wrapped, the box is sealed, and inside the box is an assortment of individually wrapped pieces, making them easy to share! Ironically the name is in French, but the company is German!

Getting back to the Trip Report....

With the other passengers on my heals, I didn't have a chance to take a picture of my seat, but here is photo that shows the first class cabin of a CRJ-900


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From my seat I could watch the FA hang my jacket and then poor me the cran-apple. Unfortunately pre-departure drinks are always in plastic cups. There was also a small bottle of Dasani water on each seat in the first class cabin.

While others were boarding I managed a quick picture of the view from my window...

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Here is the stylish air vents, FA call button, and lights above my seat. Although there was only one seat, there were still two air vents and two reading lights.

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One downside to seat 1A on the CRJ-900 is that it is right near the front cabin lav.
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After boarding had finished the captain came on and warned us that we might hear some strange noises as the external APU was inoperative so they would need to do an air start.

We had a short taxi and a quick take off.

Apparently first class was pretty empty as there was a non-rev pilot seated across the aisle from me. Here is a quick picture I took to show how the windows on the CRJ-900 are not only bigger than on the CRJ-200, but are much better placed relative to the passengers!

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Soon after take-off the older FA came from the back of the cabin and the two FAs started assembly of the drink cart for economy. It always amazes me just how much has to be done to prepare the cart! Once she had pushed the drink cart into the economy cabin, the younger FA came through and asked each first class passenger if they would like breakfast. I asked if there was a choice and was informed there was only the cold cereal breakfast. On mainline jets, first class breakfast is usually a choice of the cold cereal or a warm dish, usually eggs with some kind of meat. The rest of the tray is identical.

The FA delivered each tray individually, which was a nice touch instead of wheeling a cart down the aisle.

Upon receiving my breakfast tray the first thing I noticed was the way the kiwi fruit had been cut. Then I noticed that the bagel had shrunk! Since I'm trying to cut down on my carb intake, I didn't mind, but I was amused to see Delta had bagels that were about 3/4th the size of typical bagels, like the ones served during breakfast at the Delta SkyClubs.

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I've been disappointed by Delta's current cutlery! It looks cheap and childish... Alas the Northwest cutlery was much more stylish, but is all long gone now.

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I did notice that the non-rev pilot across the aisle was quite chatty and friendly with the woman sitting next to him. After breakfast had been cleared I casually asked him if he was heading home or heading to work. He smiled and said "headin home" with a slight Texas twang... I then followed up with "Oh so where did you high-speed?"

As I expected this got his attention and he replied with "BVT...do you work for Pinnacle?"

To explain this exchange I guess it is time for another digression....

Pinnacle is an independent regional airline that is not owned by Delta Air Lines. Pre-merger Pinnacle contracted out to both Northwest and Delta to provide regional service. With the merger their only customer is now Delta. As an independent airline Pinnacle crew do NOT wear the Delta uniform. So I had been able to identify him as a Pinnacle pilot from his uniform.

A "High Speed" is terminology used by Pinnacle but other regionals sometimes call them "Stand Ups." A crew operate a small regional aircraft from a hub out to a regional airport late at night, often arriving between 11 pm and midnight. They then head to hotel where they can nap, but they then operate the first flight back from the regional airport back to the hub which often depart between 5 am and 7 am. Once they arrive back at the hub they are done for the day. This type of operation has come about because the small regional airports often charge no, or minimal, fees to airlines to park their aircraft there overnight. Thus it makes sense for the airline to offer service late at night to a regional airport, leave the aircraft parked over night, and the have them flown back to the hub early in the morning, ready for a full day of service!

While the crews are at there hotel they are still considered to be "on-duty" and this time is, strictly speaking, not a layover.

I answered the pilots question by explaining that I was not an airline employee, but that I live in Upstate, NY and fly a lot so I've met many crews doing "High Speeds" to ITH, ELM, or BGM.

We continued to have a pleasant chat about the industry and his life commuting from his home in Dallas to his base at DTW. In general Americans are friendly and chatty, especially those from the southern parts of the country. In my experience people in the airline industry enjoy talking to passengers who are knowledge-able.

Although I enjoyed chatting with the pilot I couldn't help but notice his watch...I kept thinking to myself, "Maybe everything IS bigger in Texas!" I was able to get a picture of the Texas sized watch while he was looking through "Sky Magazine" Delta's in flight magazine.

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During the flight I hung out in the galley with the flight attendants and chatted. The older one was heading home as she and the pilots were DFW based. The younger was actually heading back to DTW and had been sent on this flight as a last minute replacement for a DFW based crew member.

Towards the end of the flight the FA did one last garbage run. Delta does collect recyclable material and keeps it separate from the normal garbage. Here is a picture of the cans.

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There was another clear bag with newspapers. The normal garbage bags are not clear. As we started our decent the first class FA returned our coats and prepared the cabin for arrival.

The landing at DFW was smooth and we had a short taxi to terminal E at DFW. The first class FA bid everyone a friendly good bye as we deplaned.

Entering DFW for the first time I was excited to walk around, explore, and ride the SkyLink!

Terminal E itself was a little on the plain side. All the terminals at DFW are basically horseshoe shaped. At one time Delta had a large presence at DFW, but they gave up and ceded DFW to American Airlines.

This sign impressed me and I wish more airports took this approach, not only showing the direction to different stores and restaurants, but estimated walk times!

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I headed towards an entrance to the SkyLink, which is the tram system used to connect all the terminals at DFW on the airside. The SkyLink system was added to DFW after the airport was built and had been operating for several years. As an add on feature they built the track and SkyLink stations ABOVE the terminals. I had been advised by my pilot friend on the flight that the SkyLink provides the best views of the airport so I was really eager to give it a try.

Near the escalators up to the SkyLink station in Terminal E I saw an area with very comfortable looking public chairs!

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As these chairs are tucked away in an area underneath the escalator up to SkyLink station, they provide a relatively quiet area to take a nap or relax! I really wish more airports in the U.S. had these types of chairs!

I finally headed up a set of escalators...

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_075.jpg

And arrived at a SkyLink station!

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_047.jpg

The SkyLink actually has two sets of tracks and has trains running on complete loops in either direction.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_048.jpg

The train cars themselves were very clean but had little seating available.

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The lack of seating is not a problem as SkyLink is FAST and it only takes a few minutes to get between terminals!

As my pilot friend promised...there were some excellent tarmac and gate views from SkyLink!

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_053.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_054.jpg

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After riding one complete circuit on the SkyLink I then headed to the international terminal where I had read they had the most shopping and art work. I was not disappointed. In fact in the international terminal I obtained an entire pamphlet detailing the artwork at the terminal. There was one large structure that actually reminded me of an abstract vision of New York City! (Perhaps I was getting homesick!)

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_063.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_057.jpg

The view inside...

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_060.jpg

The terminal also had many "medallions" which are large round art pieces in the floor of various parts of the terminal.

Each one was unique and done by a different artist.

Here are a few examples:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_056.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_062.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_073.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_074.jpg

Near one of the medallions was the boarding line for an American Airlines flight to Japan:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_061.jpg

After I took this picture and saw all the Asian passengers waiting to board it finally occurred to me what was nagging at me the whole I time I was walking around DFW.

The passenger mix at DFW is NOT very diverse. Especially given that this is a major American airport, there were just not many non-white people there. Not only where the passengers almost all white, but so too were the airport workers. I'm not saying this is a good or this is bad, it is merely an observation as I would have expected an airport, especially the international terminal, to be more diverse.

In another area of DFW was a large sculpture composed of concave glass walls, it was hard to get a picture of the entire sculpture. but here is a picture of the plaque in the center and some shots showing various walls.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_069.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_070.jpg

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_071.jpg

Outside of the sculpture was more general seating where I got a glimpse of some military personnel who looked like they had been at the airport for longer than they would have liked! Again since the resolution is so poor I didn't bother blurring any faces!

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_072.jpg

Before leaving I did walk by the entrances of some of the lounges in the terminal. The first was an American Airlines Admiral's club which was also available to military personnel.

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A little further down was another general entrance to other lounges, including a pay lounge called "The Club"

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http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_067.jpg

I then headed back to Terminal E for my return flights.



DFW to DTW
CRJ-900

and

DTW to ROC
CRJ-200


I have only a few pictures and comments on my afternoon return flights as they were pretty similar to my morning flights.

I did arrive at the gate after boarding had started. Being in first class I was able to use the Delta "Breezeway" to cut the boarding line. Unfortunately the overhead bin space in first class was completely full. The first class flight attendant was a middle aged male of a certain "orientation" and told me with a very UN-customer-friendly tone "You'll just have to find space in a bin back in coach."

I asked with a friendly tone if there might be space in the closet for my bag. He replied with a very snooty tone saying "There might be, but that is where we store our bags."

I realized that someone was in full blown "Queen Mode"... Having flown within the U.S. a lot I knew EXACTLY how to handle the situation...

The WRONG way to handle the situation would be to demand he make room for my bag.
The WRONG way to handle the situation would be to make a scene or throw a tantrum.
The REALLY WRONG way to the handle the situation would be to pull a "DYKWIA?!!!" (Do You Know Who I Am?!)

The *RIGHT* way to handle the situation is the make life difficult for them in a non-threatening way...
So how do you accomplish this?

Well I simply said with a regretful tone "My computer is in this bag so I really can't check it. I'm sorry to have created a problem. I'll just go back up to the gate agent and see if I can SDC to a later flight."

SDC stands for "Same Day Confirm" and is one of the perks of having high elite status with Delta Air Lines. It allows you to get a confirmed seat for a flight that leaves on the same day as your originally ticketed flight.

My statement accomplished two important goals in a non-threatening way.

First, by using Delta elite flyer terminology I established to the FA that I am in fact an elite flyer with the airline.

Second, by suggesting I would leave the flight and catch a later flight, I made it clear that the gate agent would have to do significant paper work to get me off of this flight and the gate agent would surely ask why room couldn't be found for my bag on THIS flight.

Magically the FA became motivated to open up the closet and declare "Yes I can get your bag in here..."

In my head I said "DAMN RIGHT!" but to him I simply said "Wow! Thanks for helping me out..." I then handed him my bag and after he put it away I handed him the box of chocolate I had slipped out of my bag right before boarding. I handed it to him and said "This is for you and the crew since it is such a long flight..." and threw in a quick wink as I handed it to him.

I turned turned to get settled in 1A and finally noticed the cute brunette FA from my previous flight sitting in 3D. She gave me a little wave hello...

Several thoughts raced through my head at lightening speed...

-Why did I waste my time taking so many pictures! I could have gotten here on time and tried to trade seats, my 1A for 3C so I could have sat next to her and chatted her up during the flight back!

-Was there still a chance to trade seats?

-OH CRAP! Did she see me wink at the FA and get the wrong idea?!

-Why is the guy in 2C looking at me like that?!

At that point I sat down and the flight attendant in the back came forward to get the materials to do the safety demo. She quietly asked the first class FA "Where is *HE* seated?" to which he answered "He is in 2C."

Of course before I could stop myself I turn around to look at 2C, a middle aged burling looking well dressed African American male with close cropped hair...AND a mean stare directed right back at me...

I spent the entire flight seated while fighting the urge to turn around and see if he had any bulges around his calves!

Fortunately lunch was a distraction. The choice was cold Asian Chicken wrap or cold grilled Chicken salad. I chose the wrap...

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_078.jpg

When I split the wrap apart to take a picture of the inside I noticed that it really was COLD, not just room temperature...but the inside was actually COLD! It also wasn't clear to me if I was suppose to "unwrap" the wrap to add the lettuce and tomato that was on the side, or eat them separately as the world lamest salad?

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_079.jpg

On the positive side the first class FA was in a much nicer mood during the flight than during boarding. He even seemed a little excited when I requested a virgin version of the Delta signature "Heart of Pom" cocktail. Basically it was the Stirrings Pomegranate cocktail drink mix with club soda and lime, with no alcohol.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/Burj_bucket/first_report/Treo_013010_081.jpg

We arrived at DTW without any problems and I was the first to deplane after a good by from the first class FA and another thank you for the chocolate.

In the terminal I stopped to check on my bag and my computer. Much to my delight the brunette FA came up to me and said hello. We chatted a little bit and she was curious why I spent so little time in Dallas.

I made a split second decision that there was no way to explain to her that I wanted to visit a new airport AND I wanted to collect some frequent flyer miles AND I had a voucher which made the already low fare cheaper than the cost of the what breakfast and lunch would have cost me at an airport restaurant....

....without sounding like a complete nut job...so I told the truth..."I'm just eager to get home."

I did try to casually ask if she ever did high speeds/stand ups to any of the Upstate, NY airports...but sadly it was not to be....

The CRJ-200 flight from DTW to ROC was packed and uncomfortable, fortunately I slept through most of it!

Well that is about it...

I can only hope that...

Some of you were entertained....
Some of you learned something...

and...

One of you is a cute brunette FA based at DTW who is also an a.net reader!


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18595 times:

Great story and TR haha! Very smart way to handle an overhead bag situation and very interesting FA plot too! It must have been a great trip.


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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18251 times:

Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 3):
It must have been a great trip

Thanks for the comments! Glad you enjoyed the trip report. It really was a great trip! It is nice to have a place to share our experiences... Hopefully people who will never get a chance to visit DTW or DFW got a little taste of them!


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7683 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18227 times:

I really enjoyed your TR. I miss the days when I could do day trips like that for fun.

Quoting Burj (Reply 2):

The passenger mix at DFW is NOT very diverse. Especially given that this is a major American airport, there were just not many non-white people there. Not only where the passengers almost all white, but so too were the airport workers. I'm not saying this is a good or this is bad, it is merely an observation as I would have expected an airport, especially the international terminal, to be more diverse.

Well, that might be due to several things.

1) DFW is located in a mostly white/upper class area of DFW. That will have a large effect on who works there.
2) If you were there in the mid-morning, the only international flights are to Tokyo. The flights to Central America, Mexico, and South America leave late afternoon to early evening. The rest of the flights are to destinations in the US, Canada, and Sun Destinations.

The funny thing is that the only 4 other metro areas in the US are "less white" than DFW (Miami, LA, Houston, and San Francisco) if were talking local population. And the city of Dallas has a higher percentage of Hispanic immigrants than any of the other top 10 US cities other than New York. Just FYI.  



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18141 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):
2) If you were there in the mid-morning, the only international flights are to Tokyo. The flights to Central America, Mexico, and South America leave late afternoon to early evening. The rest of the flights are to destinations in the US, Canada, and Sun Destinations.

Ah! That makes a lot more sense...I actually had meant to take a look at the departure screens to see what flights were heading out that morning...

My Mom once connected through IAH and mentioned how diverse it was there, especially with lots of South Americans/Mexicans/Hispanics...etc

So I had kinda been expecting the same thing...but actually DFW seemed pretty quiet that morning (as evident from the empty SkyLink trains and all the empty lounge chairs!)


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18121 times:

Quoting Burj (Reply 2):
At that point I sat down and the flight attendant in the back came forward to get the materials to do the safety demo. She quietly asked the first class FA "Where is *HE* seated?" to which he answered "He is in 2C."

I wonder what they could be talking about  . Lol, great trip report!



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 18094 times:

Nice report! I agree that DTW sucks for aircraft photography from the terminal thanks to the annoying black dots!

Quoting Burj (Thread starter):
On mainline jets, first class breakfast is usually a choice of the cold cereal or a warm dish, usually eggs with some kind of meat. The rest of the tray is identical.

Welcome to the new Delta...where on flights that would have received a choice of hot or cold meals you now get one option...cold. This applies to all mainline and express flights under 1550 miles or 3.5hrs. An upgrade from pre-merger Delta/Delta Connection service(snack basket), but still a bad move on Delta's part to the NW fliers.


User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 18036 times:

Another relevant piece of news about DTW:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...ops-customer-satisfaction-rankings

Detroit Metro airport tops customer satisfaction rankings
Christina Rogers / The Detroit News
Detroit Metropolitan Airport has landed the highest ranking in the country for overall customer satisfaction among large airports, according to a report released Thursday by J.D. Power & Associates.


User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 18028 times:

Thank you for writing this!!!!!!

I've been waiting forever to read a trip report with pics from ROC

As a kid I used to fly there 3 times a year.

Usually DEN-DTW-ROC, DEN-ORD-ROC


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 17800 times:

Must *EVERYONE* bring up sexual orientation when talking about a male flight attendant?

User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 17695 times:

Quoting IndyWA (Reply 11):
Must *EVERYONE* bring up sexual orientation when talking about a male flight attendant?

Well I brought it up because he was giving me stereotypical attitude...

Quoting AAden (Reply 10):
Thank you for writing this!!!!!!

I've been waiting forever to read a trip report with pics from ROC

Glad to have been of service! I'm only sorry I wasn't there during day light hours (which in January in ROC lasts all of 6 hours!) to take some pictures to show how awesome the view is from the land side lounge!

I have to say I'm REALLY impressed with ROC! Of the three larger airports in the area, BUF, ROC, SYR, it is probably my favorite!

Alas I don't have any more flights from there in the near future...but will having one in a few weeks from BUF so keep an eye out for that one!

I just paid to upgrade photobucket so if you don't see pictures come back later tonigth!


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16744 times:
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Great report, always nice to read about and see photos of the CRJ900NG. Does that aircraft type feel somewhat bigger than the CRJ200?

I have flown the CRJ705 with AC Jazz and CRJ900 with LH Cityline and they were nice, I thought, but most Americans seem to hate these aircraft regardless, which is sad...



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16407 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 13):
Does that aircraft type feel somewhat bigger than the CRJ200?

YES! It is definitely MUCH bigger and nicer than the CRJ200... The fact that it has first class seating is also very nice. However it still feels like a large regional jet.

I prefer the E-170/175/190/195 which feel more like normal mainline aircraft, if you squint your eyes they almost feel like a DC-9 (of course not quite a wide).

One issue with the CRJ900 is that it does NOT have the overhead cabin space to accommodate everyone's rollerboards... I didn't have one this flight so when we arrived I just left the plane. I have been on these planes where 20-30 people valet check their suitcases and then have to stand in the jetbridge, lined up against the walls waiting for them to be brought up. When they are brought up it is a mess as people then have to come back forward to get their suitcase.

US carriers really need to think this through and maybe make some infrastructure changes to ensure that they don't have that many people standing on a jetbridge...


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16098 times:

Quoting Burj (Reply 14):
US carriers really need to think this through and maybe make some infrastructure changes to ensure that they don't have that many people standing on a jetbridge...

It's a process nobody likes, but unless airports and airlines want to incur the costs of adding baggage elevators to every jetbridge that is used for RJs, it's probably not going to change.

[Edited 2010-03-22 13:18:46]


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User currently offlinemtaabq From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16047 times:

Burj, great report! Nice to see ROC represented here. Good work.

Quoting Burj (Reply 14):
One issue with the CRJ900 is that it does NOT have the overhead cabin space to accommodate everyone's rollerboards... I didn't have one this flight so when we arrived I just left the plane. I have been on these planes where 20-30 people valet check their suitcases and then have to stand in the jetbridge, lined up against the walls waiting for them to be brought up. When they are brought up it is a mess as people then have to come back forward to get their suitcase.

On a delayed flight from DEN to MKE -- delayed for 30 mins as we had to circle due to thundestorms directly over MKE -- UA (well, actually Skywest) had the right idea -- at the top of the jetway where the valet-checked bags were to arrive was a very friendly woman directing everyone to get their bags at baggage claim. Given that ours was the last flight of the day, and it was nearly 11:00 PM, this made sense to me. Many passengers were not happy about this, but oh well.

Quoting Burj (Reply 14):
I have been on these planes where 20-30 people valet check their suitcases


ONLY 20 or 30? I'd like to be on those flights. My CRJ experiences have seen nearly EVERYONE valet-checking a rollerboard (roll-aboard? roll-a-board? rollaboard?) or other oversized (for an RJ) carryons. Getting your valet-checked bags at the gate in DEN can be a nightmare! Not the baggage handlers -- they are doing the best they can. No, it's the passengers! Anymore I board with my briefcase and, if necessary, a coat and that's it.


User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15945 times:
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Quoting Burj (Reply 2):
Forgive another digression and I'll try to explain the reasoning and purpose. First off I always bring chocolates for the flight crew for long routes, anything close to 3+ hours. I also only do this for flights on U.S. carriers with American crews. The purpose of giving the flight crew chocolates is to show appreciation for their difficult, and often thankless, job and to help them get a quick sugar boost during a long flight. Crews have ALWAYS been appreciative of the small gesture. In fact the crews for airlines that historically treat their FAs the worst, are the ones who are most surprised and appreciative. Once on a PHL-PHX flight on USAirways an older FA came up from economy to give me a hug! As she bent down to hug me she saw I was a little surprised and said "I'm old enough that if I hug a passenger it isn't sexual harrasement!"

Great story! This sounds like a very nice thing to do, and very appreciated by the flight crews! Looks like you had a good trip. I also enjoyed reading about your "bag" issue. I'm impressed to see the same style meal service/tray/dishes in F on the CRJ-900 that were present on my flight from ATL-LIR in F back in February. Very cool!

767747

[Edited 2010-03-22 16:46:09]

User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15614 times:

Hi Burj!

Great TR! .. congrats on your first one!
Very interesting to see a full meal served on a CRJ! .. All looks quite good.

DFW seems to have gone through quite the change since i last was there in 2000! Very interesting!


Thanks a lot for sharing!

Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15336 times:

Quoting ronerone (Reply 18):
Great TR! .. congrats on your first one!

Thanks for the praise...

I actually just returned from a BUF->JFK->LAX round trip... I'm might do a quick trip report as it really illustrates the high's (Delta new premium transcon service) versus the low's (the RJ octopus at JFK) of traveling Delta domestic U.S. service!


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14710 times:

Quoting IndyWA (Reply 11):
Must *EVERYONE* bring up sexual orientation when talking about a male flight attendant?

Because its the best way to describe the b*tchy, queeny f/as who throw around attitude like its going outta style.

Quoting IndyWA (Reply 11):
Well I brought it up because he was giving me stereotypical attitude...

   Exactly.


I'm gay and don't find it offensive that he used orientation to describe the f/a. People wouldn't have to use orientation as an adjective if those who perpetuate the dumb stereotypes would knock it off. Lord knows I have had to work with my fair share of snotty, snarky, queeny little flakes that do nothing but complain about passengers and whine about when their next cosmo and xanax fix is coming to them.   


All of this aside, nice trip report!!! Does the new teal-colored upholstery look as awful in person as it does in pictures? I really wish they would have left those poor XJ cabins alone!  

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 20):
All of this aside, nice trip report!!! Does the new teal-colored upholstery look as awful in person as it does in pictures?

Thanks for your comments! The seats don't look too horrible in person. Maybe as a Delta frequent flier I have just become use to them!


User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14522 times:

Quoting burj (Reply 21):

It seems the color (maybe it is just me, or maybe the lighting in different a/c) seems to change from aircraft type to aircraft type. The colors in the 77L, 175s (S5), and 73G/8 look darker/more subtle whereas in the 763/4, A332/3, and CR9s it looks brighter and cheaper. Maybe its just me. I do have to say though, I love the faux (or is it real?) wood flooring in their lavs! Classy!

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14090 times:

Great trip report, up to the point where the incident with the gay flight attendant took place.
I first frowned and raised my eyebrows afterward. Somehow I did not like either the tone nor the attitude and as such it conveyed a sense of entitlement that i found difficult to adhere. You could have written that he had an attitude without any
comment on his sexuality and took subsequently care of it.
I just wonder if instead of gay that flight attendant would have been " a male minority" as you are. Would you have been as snotty in your trip report as you are here?
I bet not.


User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13893 times:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 23):
I bet not.

That is a bet you'd lose... If the F/A had been an minority male throwing "ghetto attitude" at me I would have called him on it... Or if it has been a minority or foreign origin F/A (Chinese/Hispanic/Indian/Russian/etc) with bad English who didn't care that people couldn't understand them...I would have reported that too....

In this case I wrote what I wrote because, to quote someone else:

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 20):
Because its the best way to describe the b*tchy, queeny f/as who throw around attitude like its going outta style.

When you fly enough domestic U.S. flights you come across all KINDS of different attitudes given by different types of F/As. No one type/group has a monopoly on BAD customer service...BUT the different groups tend to have their own unique brand of bad customer service... Welcome to the world of domestic U.S. flying!


25 Post contains images ODAFZ : Dear Burj: I am not flying US domestic and most probably never will. I have my own share of European/Domestic flying and encounters of many kinds : fi
26 burj : ODAFZ, please read my trip report again. If you do you'll note that at no time did I say or treat the F/A in any inappropriate or stereotypical or dem
27 PI4EVER : Burj: You did a nice job with your first trip report. Pictures and commentary outlined in a clear and consise manner your trip on the DL CRJ's and the
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