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The CX Upper Deck Experience: HKG-DPS In J  
User currently offlinehenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14874 times:

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Diversity is the spice of life!


Part 3: CX shines on HKG to DPS

BACKGROUND


This report is part of a long trip from Goa to Denpassar (Bali). Because it became to lenghty to post as one I cut it into three parts. This is part 3.

Part 1 can be found here: Kingfisher Y - Goa To BOM (by henkybaby Mar 2 2010 in Trip Reports)
Part 2 can be found here: Escaping India - BOM-HKG On CX J (by henkybaby Mar 2 2010 in Trip Reports)

This trip is part of my sabbatical. I am trotting around the globe for 5 months. So far I have been to Australia, Thailand, India and a brief stop in Hong Kong. It was now time to head for my beloved Bali where I will spend 24 days. I am traveling on a Round The World ticket by OneWorld in J.


CX785
Boeing 74A
Seat 88A (Business)
Load factor: 30% in J
Dep: 10:05 (actual 10:00)
Arr: 14:40


I had to leave Hong Kong early (05:00) to prevent getting caught up in the Hong Kong Marathon they were holding that Sunday. I stayed at the ICH in Kowloon and that turned out to be right in the middle of the action. I was so tired the night before that I fell asleep at 09:00 anyways and I was up and ready to go at 04:45. Check out was (too) swift as was the taxi ride to the MTR Airport Express station. I got there at 05:15 and everything opens at 05:30 with the first train leaving at 05:53. Getting the first train out is actually not a bad thing. The lines at customs and security where almost non existent whereas there was quite a line 30 minutes later. The airport is essentially lifeless till 07:30. Shops are closed, so unless you have access to a lounge you will be very bored.

I headed straight to the Wing for breakfast.


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I love noodles and dim sum for breakfast...


After breakfast I found out my flight was leaving from gate 62, which is next to the Pier lounge. Better to go there straight away. I had tried for a long time to get myself a seat in the F section of the plane (no F sold on this route) but so far I had been unsuccessful. My last two options where the gate agents or the purser. I wanted to be close. The Pier is a very nice lounge. I prefer it sometimes to the Wing because it is more relaxed and cosy. Depends on my mood I guess.



It was still a very long wait and I fell into the trap of going shopping to kill the time. I bought two watches...

I guess AF is cutting back on cleaning cost...


Soon they were preparing the flight for boarding. I tried to get my F seat, but they once again declined me the privilegde. I was by now getting to terms with the idea that I would not be 'upgraded' and that I was in for my first Upper Deck experience with CX. I had one more shot though, the purser.

My plane getting ready


A different perspective


I headed back to the Pier Lounge to collect my bags and when I got back they were already boarding the plane. CX strictly enforces the separation between premium pax and steerage so I could walk straight onto the plane. At the door I asked if I could 'please, please, pretty please' sit in F. The crew went around asking a ground manager and he came to explain to me that the crew levels today did not allow them to open the cabin since it was required that they had at least one crew member in that area. I gave up and headed upstairs. I must say that everyone was so friendly and accommodating that I almost felt I was now on the CX everyone always talks about but that I had never experienced (apart from one time in F).


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The load factor was very low and on the UD there were 6 other pax. A nice British chap (the third officer on the Flight Deck) was talking to all the passengers and we had a very animated conversation about the disaster that is CX's herringbone business class. He told me they are going to replace it quite soon with a new product given that there were so many complaints. It is a design originally made for Virgin (they sued CX over it) and the story goes that the mock up that was approved by CX was 4 inches wider than the real product. In real corporate style they however continued installing the wrong product instead of admitting a mistake. A new chap is in charge of the new J product and I was told he was very hands on and the product is excellent and a major improvement on the current seats.


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I found the seat not that bad this time. Rumour has it that the seats on the UD are longer than on the main deck because they are at less of an angle but I was told this is a fable. Having sat in both I also found my feet to end up at about the same point. The UD however feels a lot better, exclusive and is very private. Service is also excellent with two very attentive cabin crew catering to my every need. The purser (flight director or whatever CX calls them) also came up for quite a lenghty chat. That was a OW Emerald perk I guess since she did not talk to the other pax.


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Well, I guess you get the layout by now.  

The cockpit door was still open and having befriended one of the flight crew I asked if I could sneak a peek. I could tell that the captain wasn't too thrilled, but he thawed out pretty quicly.


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Boarding had gone very quickly (light load in Y too I guess) and we were underway 5 minutes ahead of schedule. During the taxi I was thinking how much I always think that the ceiling of the UD cabin in the middle always looks like an escape hatch or sun roof... Maybe it is just me.



I tried to take some pictures during takeoff, but you really have a hard time looking out. I only figured that out before the landing and took a lot of picture then. Suffice to say I needed a massage after that.

Finally a flight to stay awake during. That doesn't happen to me a lot. Although I was still exhausted from my India adventure and the early rise in Hong Kong I wanted to experience the whole thing. They had Inglorious Basterds on the AVOD and that turned out to be an excellent choice.



Since the crew where all so nice during boarding I managed to drink 3 glasses of champagne even before takeoff. That made me a little light headed so I was glad when they started meal service. I made a picture of the menu.



I chose the salmon and the ling fish. The salmon presentation looked really good and it tasted similar.



After that the presentation of the main course was a little disappointing and I must say that it tasted rather bland too.



It was a partly satisfying meal and I decided to skip desert, although the lovely FA's kept asking me if I really did not want any. It really makes all the difference if you have genuinely hospitable people looking after you. That happens not quite enough on CX in my experience. On this flight they showed they can do it. I must say, if the service is this good everything else falls into place too. The seat became more comfortable and I was almost sorry to hear that we were preparing for landing.



The captain had expected to land about 10 minutes ahead of schedule but we had to take a slightly long approach which took us over Lombok. Nice views although my camera had better ones than I did personally.


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I could not make heads or tails of the scenery. I have landed at DPS many, many times but everything I saw was unfamiliar. It turned out that we landed North to South. A first for me.


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The landing was almost unnoticeable. I did not feel the plane touch down and for a moment I was even wondering if we had.

Home sweet home!

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Thai Airways

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This aircraft has provided me with the best CX experience so far. It looks good here on Bali.


Being one of the first off the plane I was hoping for a short wait at VOA and customs. However, we were just behind a China Airlines flight and that means panicked tourists. It was fortunate they all stood in the same two lines, leaving a very short one for me at the end. It took 15 minutes and I was where I most wanted to be.

This was an excellent CX experience and I really wish they would deliver this service consistenly. I would then be tempted to choose them even if their hard product is inferior to BA (IMHO). Unfortunately I have had too many poor experiences for this one exception to make a difference. Compliments to the crew though!

As always: feedback is very much appreciated if only to discover people actually read this stuff...  

[Edited 2010-03-02 04:30:54]


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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13257 times:

Very good report, yes it is read! Beautiful pic of the CX 747 in Bali.

User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

Great report. I'm doing the same exact flight (also in J) in June. Making me look forward to it even more  


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User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1085 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

what a beautiful bird to fly on...

When I was in Bali I would walk along away from the hoardes of Ozzies on kuta beach to watch the CX bird come into view and glide low over the beautiful sea on approach. Nice to see what goes on inside!

Flightime? 3 or 4 hours?

Regards



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User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

I cannot believe that they cut the cheese course (yes, I know an unfortunate choice of words).

User currently offlinehenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 3):
Flightime? 3 or 4 hours?

Officially 4hrs 20 minutes but mostly 4 hours.

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 4):
they cut the cheese course

No they didn't. I simply did not take any. They kept coming by to make sure I really did not want any so no worries, it is still there!  



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
It turned out that we landed North to South. A first for me.

How is that possible when DPS's runway is aligned East / West?


From the look of this picture which is Tanjung Benoa and ultimately the fly-over Ngurah Rai highway, your approach was for Runway 27.



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User currently offlinehenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
How is that possible when DPS's runway is aligned East / West?

You are right of course. Normally we approach from the West but this time from the East.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4208 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11962 times:

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
if only to discover people actually read this stuff...

I did of course 

Nice to see the next stories coming online. This one took my attention since I'm heading for DPS also in a few months time.

I dislike CX/J so much, I would never spend money on this cabin layout. Not only judging by your report, also others, but it's the seating layout which causes the trouble for me. Staff and meals are good though.

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
the disaster that is CX's herringbone business class. He told me they are going to replace it quite soon with a new product given that there were so many complaints.

So, that's the best choice made lately!

Regards,
Eric



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User currently offlineStevePER From Australia, joined May 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

Thanks for the great report - I'll be flying DPS-HKG-ICN in a couple of months and I'm a little apprehensive because of the herringbone configuration on the DPS-HKG sector. We're flying with a one year old (with his own seat) but I'm considering rebooking him to sit on a lap instead. Currently we've got the front three seats on the upper deck allocated because it seems like our best chance to keep an eye on him. Do you think this is a reasonable choice of seats?


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User currently offlinehenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11608 times:

There is no seat where you can easily view the pax in another seat. The upper deck even less so since the seats are at less of an angle (making them more private). However, the crew will fuss over you and your child so I guess you'll be ok.

Personally I would think twice before running the risk of breaching the relative calm of the UD with a very young child. Unlike the main deck every passenger will be bothered if (s)he start acting up since the UD is quieter and more intimate.



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User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11489 times:

Quoting henkybaby (Reply 5):
No they didn't. I simply did not take any. They kept coming by to make sure I really did not want any so no worries, it is still there!

Oh good. It wasn't on either the HKG-DPS or the BOM-HKG menus you posted, so I was worried as I typically skip the main course and make a meal out of the appetizer, salad, cheese and dessert.


User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11302 times:

Nice CX J class service HKG-DPS.
Thanks for sharing!

How nice, CX B744 and THAI A346 at DPS!

nethkt



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User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10970 times:
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Another great report Henkybaby, thanks for posting.

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
. A nice British chap (the third officer on the Flight Deck) was talking to all the passengers and we had a very animated conversation about the disaster that is CX's herringbone business class. He told me they are going to replace it quite soon with a new product given that there were so many complaints

- Not too soon, this whole new J product was a disaster from the start, sooner it's replace the better! - IMO

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10956 times:

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
He told me they are going to replace it quite soon with a new product given that there were so many complaints. It is a design originally made for Virgin (they sued CX over it) and the story goes that the mock up that was approved by CX was 4 inches wider than the real product. In real corporate style they however continued installing the wrong product instead of admitting a mistake. A new chap is in charge of the new J product and I was told he was very hands on and the product is excellent and a major improvement on the current seats

It is good to know this; the product that they have there doesn't look too bad, but when you look at the quality of new offerings - particularly BA, SQ and EK (on the 345/388 rather than the 777), the product looks so much better. CX, as a five star airline, needs to be at the cutting edge and its current product just isn't up to snuff.

Quoting henkybaby (Thread starter):
I guess AF is cutting back on cleaning cost...

I know people have joked about AF, but that's absolutely shocking!


User currently offlineStevePER From Australia, joined May 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

Quoting henkybaby (Reply 10):
There is no seat where you can easily view the pax in another seat. The upper deck even less so since the seats are at less of an angle (making them more private). However, the crew will fuss over you and your child so I guess you'll be ok.

Thanks for the info, I will change to the lower deck for this reason (but still consider cancelling his seat).



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User currently offlinehenkybaby From Netherlands, joined May 2008, 593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9767 times:

Quoting StevePER (Reply 15):
Thanks for the info, I will change to the lower deck for this reason (but still consider cancelling his seat).

You're welcome. The loads will probably be very light in J (not really a business route) and you can have your pick of seats. That means you will also be able to get your kid a seat without booking one.  

Also check (at T-48hrs) if they opened the F cabin for check in. In that case go for 1A/K, 2A.



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