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LHR-AMS-LAX On KL - Economy Comfort With Pics!  
User currently offlineLAXorLGWonDL From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hello Everyone,

Last fall, I moved to the United Kingdom, so my US-LON routes have reversed whenever I choose to fly home…typically to ATL or LAX. I have many pix from my past travels, but have yet to post them on here…yes, I am lacking, especially as I really do have some good pics to share.  

In January, I found a great deal LHR-LAX-LHR on DL – about $655 RT! In choosing my flights, I opted LHR-AMS-LAX on KL, as it got me into LAX in the early afternoon vice the evening flights on DL metal. It also gave the chance to fly on a 747 for the first time in many years and served as my first experience with KLM.

KL Flight #1000, 738
Departure: Scheduled: 635am; Actual: About 645am – The Captain had announced they were waiting for a few bags to be taken off of the a/c, as there were pax who had not made it on board.
Seat: 10F – standard 737 window seat.

I really like the LHR T4 dedicated check-in for SkyTeamBusiness/Elite travelers. It was early (5am) and dropping my bags went smoothly; bags were tagged with Priority tags and I was on my way to security. At this early hour, security was not too insane…although other travelers ahead of me who did not understand the concept of removing outerwear, belts, etc. was a bit annoying. Fortunately, things still went pretty quickly and I was through security in about 10 minutes.

I headed to the SkyTeam Lounge. Every time I visit T4, I am happy to have access to the lounge. The front desk was very polite, which has been typical during my visits. I dropped my stuff, and enjoyed some breakfast. The variety here is very good – fruit, yogurt, cheese, baked goods, and a wide range of hot food, to include pancakes, strawberry crepes, and bacon baps (bacon and a tomato on a roll).

After visiting the lounge, I headed to my gate. The gate agents announced boarding for pax with children and those needing assistance and I continued to wait. Then, I think, there was an announcement for rows 20 and higher, but the boarding scene became one of the biggest messes I’ve ever seen. Wanting to have my bag in the overhead, I merged with the mob…the mob was not observant of priority or regular lines….or they were all priority flyers. Anyhow, I boarded, put my bag in the overhead and took my window seat. The flight was very full – maybe 1 or 2 open seats. Also, something to note…row 8 has a curtain in front of it above the seats to “separate” the cabins….just something to keep in mind if you’re on one of these a/c.


A few pics:

At the gate - LHR
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010KL737atLHRGate15.jpg

KL 737 Legroom:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010KL737Legroom.jpg

Take off:

LHR Take off

NW of London in the early morning:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010EastwardoftheThames.jpg

Inflight Snack – A small egg sandwich and a pastry. Not bad for a 45 min. flight
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010KLLHRAMSSnack.jpg

Landing:

Over the coast:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010ApproachingAMS.jpg

Approach:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010ApproachingAMS2.jpg

Video of landing:

AMS Landing

Taxi at Schiphol:

Over the motorway:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010AMSTaxi.jpg

Welcome to Schiphol:
Welcom to Schiphol!

KL 747:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010ParkedKL747.jpg

KL MD-11’s:
KL MD11's

Thoughts on this flight:
Overall, the service was good. The FA’s were friendly and I thought they did a good job for such a short flight! I will be flying LHR-AMS-OSL in late March and expect it’ll be about the same as this flight. I felt like the taxi in AMS once we landed took forever, but it was not too big of a deal.

Upon arrival in AMS, I did feel rushed – I had not been there before and needed to trek from Concourse D to F. As it was my first time in AMS, I did not know how long this would take. I did stop in one of the shops to get my family some stroopwafels (caramel filled wafer cookies), a “real sugar” Coca-Cola for my sister in LA, and a water for myself. I go to check out and the woman tells me I cannot take the liquids on the plane with me, so I just purchased the cookies and headed towards the gate. I know AMS has had security issues recently, but it did irritate me that I could not take these items with me.

It took about 10 minutes to get to my gate area. I used the priority line for my initial passport check and then proceeded (the short way) to the secondary security screening. As I approached the x-ray, the crew came in, which created a little delay…but nothing too terrible. After putting my belongings through x-ray, I received the full pat down from a security guard, and was on my way. Fortunately, for my sister anyway, there was a Coke vending machine past x-ray and I purchased her precious drink.   She does not typically drink soda anymore, but enjoys the ones made in Europe with real sugar on the occasion she or I see each other. I did not mind purchasing the drink, but they do run about 1,30EUR more out of the vending machine, than at the shops in the airport…I thought this was pretty messed up!

The boarding area was pretty full, with more people waiting to go through the security check. KL has a “gated” off seating area for Business/Elite pax, so I took advantage of it. As I waited (about 20 min), the gate area got increasingly full.

AMS-LAX Flight:
KL 747-400 Combi
Departure: Scheduled: 1035; Actual: 1050ish
Seat: 15A – Economy Comfort Window Seat
My “big blue bus” to LAX – City of Dubai

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010KLCityofDubai.jpg

Ah, the 10.5 hour leg of my trip! Normally, I connect through ATL going to LA, but since I wanted to make the most of my time off, elected for this flight.

Boarding for this flight was much smoother than my LHR-AMS leg. They called for pax with children and those who needed assistance, then for Business/Elite pax. I boarded through one of the forward doors, near the stairway, turning to the left for the Economy Comfort section.

When I did online check in, I opted to pay 60EUR for Economy Comfort – better recline and more legroom. EC is its own cabin. The only window seats are the A seat. There are ABC and then DE. In the ABC section, A has more legroom than B or C due to the a/c curvature….thanks Seatguru! The DE seats are next to the bulkhead in the center of the plane – there’s about a foot of distance between the E seat and bulkhead….so pax cannot really lean against it if they want to sleep. We had a dedicated flight attendant…I’m sure she helped other pax, but she was the primary one in EC. The seat was comfortable and I liked the extra recline a lot.

Economy Comfort:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/KLECCabin.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/KL747EconomyComfort.jpg

Legroom:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/KL747ECLegroom.jpg

View from my seat at the gate:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/KL747attheGate.jpg

Pics from our taxi to take off:

DL A330’s:
DL A330's

EasyJet:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/EZArrivingatAMS.jpg

Malaysia 747:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/Malaysia747.jpg

Take off:

AMS Take Off


Netherlands’ Coastline:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/03172010NDCoastline.jpg

Inflight:

I slept for about 4-5 hours after the main meal service. The 747 has overhead video screens…a combination of movies and tv shows were played during the flight. I was kind of surprised they had 2 cartoon movies and 1 regular movie. The view of the screen from my seat was so-so, but I had plenty of entertainment with me. 

Main Meal:
There was the option of beef or pasta and I went with the beef. Overall, the meal was pretty good and had a decent presentation and taste.



Pre-arrival Snack:
They served a combination of a hot tomato-mozarella quiche, fruit, and salad about 2 hours before landing. It was alright…nice to have a mix of hot and cold food.
Pre-Arrival Snack

Looking toward the Grand Canyon:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/GrandCanyon.jpg

Landing:

On approach to LAX, over the Chino Hills, which are normally pretty brown, are very GREEN this year! Thanks to El Nino, there’s been a lot of rain in SoCal….and the green grass is definitely growing!
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/whitrh01/MAR%202010%20LHR%20AMS%20LAX%20ATL%20LHR/ChinoHillsandthePacific.jpg

Landing at LAX

Taxing to T2 at LAX…a pair of Qantas A380’s:
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Upon arrival in LA, we taxied to the gate, promptly deboarding. I thought it was interesting that they held economy pax from leaving the plane until all business class pax had left. It took me about 5-10 min to get through customs and I waited about 10 min. for my bags. The “priority” tags must have worked…as my two bags were the first off the plane….definitely unusual in my experience. :-P

Although I am not a huge fan of 10+ hour flights, I would definitely take advantage of this routing again. It was nice to get into LA fairly early in the day to enjoy a sunny SoCal visit!

Anyhow, that’s it for this leg of my journey. I’ll post additional pics of my visit once I get them uploaded.

Thanks for reading!

 robin


Next Up: STR, JFK, ATL, TPA, ANC
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User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I loved the Landing in LAX and the pics, it's somewhere I'd like to go to just experience the madness, and I am sure to see the normal side of this place too   I might try and do LAX then Hawaii to see Dog the bounty hunter lol...and then New Zealand, though the flight from Hawaii to New Zealand is just as expensive as London-New Zealand and Hawaii is alot nearer  

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice report. Recently flew AMS-LAX on KL as well.

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
Also, something to note…row 8 has a curtain in front of it above the seats to “separate” the cabins….just something to keep in mind if you’re on one of these a/c.

This is done according to demand, so it might be everywhere between row one and the emergency exit.



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User currently offlineflightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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So nice to see the pics in Economy Comfort, which I guess is similar to Premium Economy on other airlines, in terms of seat comfort, though I think the meal service is better on others. I'm not sure if I am a big fan of KLM meals, with those narrow boxes I love the view from there, especially of the engines!! KLM is still flying the B744 from Toronto, and I hope they do even next year, just so one can get to experience these seats. You hear it over and over again, that KLM crews are one of the best. Doing a trip on KLM in the future is definitely a must! Thanks for sharing.

User currently offlineflyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 829 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thank you for posting.
Glad you had a great flight. KL is my favourite airline, alltho their catering on long haul flights is lacking.Seems too little food for such long flight. 60EUR for Economy comfort seems like a bargain.Definitly worth the money.
Thanks again



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User currently offlineC8fromONT From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Chino Hills - my neck of the woods - YAY!! Thanks for sharing  

User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 32656 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 3):
So nice to see the pics in Economy Comfort, which I guess is similar to Premium Economy on other airlines, in terms of seat comfort, though I think the meal service is better on others

Economy Comfort on KL is like Economy Plus on UA, only give you more legroom but nothing else, rather than similiar to premium economy on other airlines. As other airlines premium economy not only they give you more legroom, you also get more seat width, usually 1 or 2 seats taken out each row. It also come with extra amenities like amenity kit and meals in china.


User currently offlinesemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 32472 times:

Interesting that they don't serve cheese with the meal. As far I recall 10 years ago they did.

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 30281 times:

Hey,

Nice report, thanks for sharing. Economy comfort looks ok to me, however, it would be nice if KL could accelerate the installation of PTV's.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 30154 times:

Hi,
nice report, that's for sure, and you're first reporting on Y+ with KLM here.
KLM lacks a lot, food is a small quantity and quality is ... It's usually pre-made food by some large food producers from Holland. Anyway, the latest KLM information for frequent flyers mentioned about a little change in catering product again.
Also as said, I would miss the PTV a lot, and it seems to take ages for KLM to get their fleet done.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29803 times:

Nice TR

Really love the pics and videos. Makes me remember all my trips to LAX.

I was looking into flying on KL to LAX this summer, but they were quite expensive, so opted for CO in the end.


Thank you for sharing

B747forever



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 29220 times:

Wowee, very nice!!

I've never seen a jetbridge extend to the rear doors on a 747, I've only ever seen them at 1L and 2L. Did it go back to 3L, or even 4L??

Great window views, btw!! That's my favorite thing riding on a 747, looking back and seeing the two engines on the wing.

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
Inflight Snack – A small egg sandwich and a pastry. Not bad for a 45 min. flight

"Not bad"?! Man, that's pretty stellar compared to the US!!

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
In January, I found a great deal LHR-LAX-LHR on DL – about $655 RT!

Geez... that's a pretty killer deal for TATL fares.


Thanks for posting, always love seeing 747 TR's!!


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 28226 times:
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Thanks for the informative TR. I was pleasantly surprised to see KL's second meal is way more substantial than what BA hands out!

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12256 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 27852 times:
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Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
I know AMS has had security issues recently, but it did irritate me that I could not take these items with me.

This is typical anywhere these days, no liquids past security. Not an AMS specific rule



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User currently offlineLAXorLGWonDL From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26545 times:

Hello Everyone,

Greetings from Schiphol...again.   I am sending this reply from the KLM Crown Club as I wait on a fight to OSL. Anyhow, it looks like they board the 747 at 3L...lots of gates around here capable of boarding through two doors.

Cheers,
Robin  



Next Up: STR, JFK, ATL, TPA, ANC
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25803 times:

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
Also, something to note…row 8 has a curtain in front of it above the seats to “separate” the cabins….just something to keep in mind if you’re on one of these a/c.

As mentioned, this changes per flight depending on demand for Europe Select. I recently flew FCO-AMS on a KL 738 and the curtain was behind row 3.

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
Inflight Snack – A small egg sandwich and a pastry. Not bad for a 45 min. flight

KL's sandwiches are definitely not bad on European flights. Much better than for example LH.

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
I felt like the taxi in AMS once we landed took forever, but it was not too big of a deal.

That's the polderbaan (18L/36R). Usually about a 15-20 min taxi time.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 3):
which I guess is similar to Premium Economy on other airlines

It's economy, with the only difference being more legroom and more recline. The seats and service are otherwise the same.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
food is a small quantity

I definitely have the impression that both quantity and quality has gone down recently on KL long haul flights.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
Also as said, I would miss the PTV a lot, and it seems to take ages for KLM to get their fleet done.

KL's long haul fleet has PTV's with the exeption of the 744's (with one or two exeptions). IIRC the intention is to retrofit the 744's with PTV's at the end of the year.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25755 times:

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 6):
Economy Comfort on KL is like Economy Plus on UA, only give you more legroom but nothing else, rather than similiar to premium economy on other airlines. As other airlines premium economy not only they give you more legroom, you also get more seat width, usually 1 or 2 seats taken out each row. It also come with extra amenities like amenity kit and meals in china.

Yes, other airlines' premium economy is far superior but then you pay much more. With KL's Economy Comfort you get more legroom but the seating layout is unchanged so that means 10-across on both the B747 and KL's newer B77Ws. (KL's older B777s are being retrofitted with the same 10-across layout as seen with the B77W).


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25663 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
KL's long haul fleet has PTV's with the exeption of the 744's (with one or two exeptions). IIRC the intention is to retrofit the 744's with PTV's at the end of the year.

I know. But the B744 is kind of 'flagship' of their fleet, and also a lot of frames which are not up to date yet.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
That's the polderbaan (18L/36R)

18R/36L...  



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 25000 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 16):
(KL's older B777s are being retrofitted with the same 10-across layout as seen with the B77W).

Never heard about this. I know AF was planning this, but AFAIK KL's 772's will stay 9 abreast. FWIW, all of KL's 77W's are 10 abreast.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
18R/36L...

Haha, a little research on my part could have prevented that mistake... thanks for the correction!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
I know. But the B744 is kind of 'flagship' of their fleet, and also a lot of frames which are not up to date yet.

I would be very surprised if you didn't know that... it is indeed their flagship. I understand the reason why they waited so long was due to weight issues, primarily with the combi fleet (they need the weight of the PTV system for freight). I guess that's no longer a problem as they reversed their previous decision. But I agree that it is taking a long time. The retrofit of the MD11 fleet was done much quicker, even taking into consideration the MD11 fleet is much smaller than the 744 fleet.



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User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24426 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 13):

This is typical anywhere these days, no liquids past security. Not an AMS specific rule

True, but at most other airports security is not at the gate, so you are able to purchase at the shops in the terminal and take whatever you buy on board.


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8561 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24140 times:
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Nice TR, thanks for sharing.

Quoting LAXorLGWonDL (Thread starter):
Pre-arrival Snack:
They served a combination of a hot tomato-mozarella quiche, fruit, and salad about 2 hours before landing. It was alright…nice to have a mix of hot and cold food

- This meal, despite being small, looked better than the main meal!

Always love the approach into LAX, the endless approach over various forms of business and housing areas, always takes my breath away, especially at night.

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineTBloemink From Netherlands, joined Mar 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19916 times:

I LOVE the double jetways in AMS! They go overwing xD
Sometimes you see so many A380's that you won't believe it. In DXB sometimes see like 7 A380's when taxiing. Amazing... Also your picture of 2 QF A380's is just unbelievable  

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User currently offlineSpeedbird2025 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19909 times:

Nice TR.. Thanks for sharing.

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