Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 3 Posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2045 times:
Hi there
Before covering the flights themselves, I'd like to mention a few things about the booking. I booked these flights at 8pm on Friday the 25th, the evening before the flight. Originally, I booked through travelocity and the flight was nominally a British Midland flight (price GBP100.80). As e-ticketing was unavailable on this offer, I called up their customer service helpline. I was advised to book a paper ticket, and call them back to arrange "ticket on parchment" service (picking up the ticket in the morning at the airport), and I asked whether that was guarantueed to work. I was assured it would work. I did as told, called them up, arranged for the service, went online, and when going offline after 15 minutes, the phone immediately rang. The "ticket on parchment" service was not available, as British Midland does not allow this if the tickets are booked through any agency. Bummer. The only option they offered me was to cancel the flight, assuring me I would incur no penalty for their error. They told me to book the flight directly through British Midland. Their website listed GBP175 as the lowest fare, and proudly advertised a GBP5.00 discount. My enthusiasm was limited, but I called them up anyway. On the phone, I was offered the same fare I had booked just half an hour earlier through travelocity, and I took up the offer immediately. So all in all, the booking procedure was disappointing: Travelocity could not provide the tickets when I booked just a day in advance, British Midland's website does not list their lowest fares (and dares to advertise a ridiculous discount as incentive for picking a GBP75 more expensive fare!). I was not impressed thus far.
I decided to be at the airport roughly 2 hours prior to departure, even though I was told 1 hour would be more than sufficient. The journey to the airport was by tube and shuttle bus (Jubilee Line to Canning Town, then a 2 pound shuttle bus) and lasted 50 minutes. My home is quite exactly in the middle between LCY and LHR concerning tube travelling times. It was dark when I arrived, so I barely knew where I was, not seeing the Dome or Canary Wharf from the bus. I went to the LH ticket desk, and they handed me my ticket after a glance at my passport, but they never asked for the booking reference number. I proceeded to the check-in desk and was the first person to check in. I asked for a window seat as far in the rear as possible (I wanted to be able to see anything apart from the engine) and got seat 16F. I was startled, knowing the plane is in 2-2 layout, and asked them about it, but for some reason (presumably to make frequent fliers aware of window and aisle seats) there are no B and E designations. I went upstairs for the passport control and managed to get lost for a few moments in this tiny airport. Must have been tired - I missed a sign and proceeded into a restaurant, wondering where the hell the security was. I quickly discovered my error and went through passport control (not very busy. I was the only customer, and the guards were happily having a philosophical discussion about religion in general, shaming the Hollywood cliche of dumb guards). I sat down in one of the many leather seats and tried to orient myself about the position of the runway etc. It was still dark. Finally, a few planes landed, and they did indeed seem to drop out of the sky rather quickly. I was delighted. After a while, the Dash 8-400 in Team Lufthhansa colours landed, and just five minutes later, boarding began very punctually. There were only 14 or 15 pax on this flight. By now, dawn had arrived in cloudy London and the grey skies hung depressingly over London. I found my seat, delighted that it was no smaller than any other short-haul seat (indeed, I swear it had more legroom than Ryanair). The safety demonstration was brief and to the point, we taxied down the runway, turned around and took off. And I am quite impressed at the performance. After a fairly normal acceleration during the roll, the pilot pulled up first slightly, then very firmly, and I felt pressed down in the seat a lot more than in any 737 or 757 I've ever flown in. After the initial steep climb, the plane quickly took on a more leisurely climb rate and we spent at least the first 15 minutes of the flight bumping through the clouds. I also noticed a wisp of moisture that looked exactly like a trailing vortex, but it was a lot lower than the wing, and it did not circulate around, so I think it was neither trailing vortex of the wing nor proptrail, which puzzled me. When the stewardesses came around with meals and drinks (I already had breakfast, so I declined), I managed to work up the courage to ask for a flight deck visit for the first time in my life (I am generally a shy person), and I was promised she'd ask the crew. By the time we reached Frankfurt, she came by and escorted me to the Cockpit, where I me the pilots. It was terribly exciting, and we talked about the noise-reduction system based on counterfrequencies installed in the Dash 8-400 (it was broken, but they did say it reduced noise noticeably), about the advantages of glass cockpits, about my choice to study aeronautical engineering instead of becoming a pilot, about the performance comparison between modern turboprops and regional jets, about the low airfare I got (they were surprised to hear about this low fare - the lowest for the dates I wanted given the booking time, beating Go by 140 pounds, Ryanair (SZG) by 20 pounds...) and many other things. Eventually, they invited me to stay in the Jumpseat for landing, and I enthusiastically accepted. As we got closer to Munich, the cloud cover broke, and we could see Landshut, the Ammersee, the Zugspitze, Augsburg and Ingolstadt and the view was altogether a lot more magnificient from the cockpit than from any other seat. The light reflected in the wet roads and creeks and rivers, the landscape glistened like a fairy tale land after rain. We passed the airport and turned around to land on the left runway. Parallel to us, the Go 737 from Stansted was approaching. It delighted me a lot to formation land into Munich with the other plane I could have been on... Ahead of us, one plane took off on our runway, and then the tower apparently cleared another one for takeoff, which surprised our pilots a bit ("Muss das denn sein?" they asked each other), and after that one climbed out, we touched down smoothly, rolling on the main gear for ages before the nosewheel finally touched down. There was no hurry in decelerating, and we passed a blocked taxiway and used up two thirds of the runway before exiting. Then we taxied to the stand, as remote as physically possibly, literally at the cargo terminals. I thanked the pilots and cabin crew for the great flight, grabbed my stuff from the rear of the plane and soon I was in Munich airport, rushing homewards, 20 minutes ahead of schedule....
The return flight was a lot fuller, and after a few too many flights on Ryanair, the civilized manner in which people slowly approached the gate for boarding was quite a change. I also noticed that the passengers were mostly young, and the number of good-looking well-dressed people was also surprising. Bankers. Shining outsides, rotten insides
We were bussed to the plane (the same plane on the same stand as the day before) which parked right beside a Swedish cargo Bae748 SE-LIE that looked old and tired.
As I entered the plane, the stewardess was just asking some 13-year-old boy whether he'd stay in the cockpit for takeoff, landing and the full flight. Dammit. Someone had been quicker than me...
We had to wait for half an hour because of slot restrictions by the UK traffic controllers, so we sat on the tarmac uselessly. Finally, we made our way to the runway. Takeoff was unspectacular and despite the strong winds that dominated the weather during Sunday night and morning, it wasn't bumby until we were quite a distance from the ground. Then the plane bumped around a bit here and there, but not too much. I dozed off for 10 minutes, woke up just before they served the snacks (some weird sandwhich corner with way too sweet bread, some butter biscuits and coffee) and read the Economist for most of the flight. It was dark outside. Finally, we began our descent, wich was again barely bumpy, and flew around London for quite a while. Occassionally, I could see 3 or 4 different lights in the sky (other planes), and sometimes there were holes in the cloudcover that I could see through. I had hoped we'd see Canary Wharf and the Dome on final approach, but apparently we came in from the opposite direction. It did not feel steeper than a normal approach to me, and even the landing was not harder than on any other plane at any other airport. Getting out of LCY was very quick, and so ended my second flight, about 35 minutes late.
All in all, a very pleasant trip, except for the ticketing messup with travelocity/BMI. That should really not have happened.
Swiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
Hey,
cool trip report. Very interesting to read. It looks as you had a pleasant flight. I have never flown with a Dash Aircraft, but I think they have to be comfortable. Have you ever flown Crossair out of London City? They offers a very good product. I also think that London City airport must be cool.
Greets
Mike
Lufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3119 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1844 times:
Great trip report
I hate those ticketing hassles as well - ebookers screwed up my LH reservation to SYD by not issuying the tix in 72 hours back in October, but the VS mega deal was a real hassle: their website kept telling me the booking wasn't succesful even though it booked me to MCO three times!
You scored a jumpseat landing - that's excellent as most airlines have banned any visits whatsoever! I haven't asked on any of my post-September flights, maybe I should have, it's just a great experience!
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Swiss-airplane: About the comfort of the Dash aircraft: I can honestly say that I felt barely any difference compared with a modern 737. The legroom for the window seats is very slightly restricted, as the wall slopes inwards, the seats cannot be reclined at all, and if you press your feet to the floor, the vibration tickles a bit. Apart from that, it was as comfortable, quiet and enjoyable as any jet. And those details were minor flaws in my opinion.
I have never flown Crossair (or Swissair), so I cannot really say anything about them. It was my first ever flight out of LCY (the main reason why I booked this trip, and not a lastminute fare to Boston), so I was delighted to have this opportunity to fly cheaply to a place where I have free accomodation in my parents' home...
Lufthansa747: Wow. Never knew internet bookings can be this perilous. I never had any trouble before this date, so I was very disappointed when it all looked likely to go up in thin air.
And on the jumpseat landing -as I said, I have never before managed to summons up the guts to ask for a flight deck visit (actually, on second thought, I did ask for it on a VS flight, but they said that post-September they do not allow pax in cockpits any more), and I was more than thrilled when the pilot invited me to stay. It was a very special flight indeed. They told me that Augsburg Airways' policy does not forbid jumpseat landings, so I suspect that most non-Transatlantic airlines haven't forbidden it, either. You should really try and ask for it if you get the opportunity... I know I will, from now on.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12412 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
hey Ikarus,
Great report, interesting to read (is this the first trip report in/out of LCY?). Glad you plucked up the courage to ask for a cockpit visit, I've been a couple of times but only when my parents asked, i'd never have the confidence, and probably get nervous talking to the pilots (not knowing what to say, etc ).
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1754 times:
Hey EGGD
I'm sure it can't have been the first trip report out of LCY on airliners.net. But for me, it was the first time I ever tried that airport...
In retrospect, it was stupid of me never to ask for flightdeck visits before. You should really try it. I suppose a charming 13 year old has a better chance than us, but if I managed to get in there as a scary almost-20-year old, then you shouldn't have any problems at all... unless you fly transatlantic, of course.
And if in doubt what to talk about, just ask the pilots whether they know airliners.net, and whether they would like to be in a cockpit shot on this website
LH738 From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
Glad to read you were allowed into the cockpit. I often fly AGB - FRA on Augsburg Airways. ormally they open the cockpit door after take-off and close it before landing.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1721 times:
I'm very late, just to let you know I was also impressed by the access to the cockpit! I haven't bothered asking since 9/11, and I think the answer on a British airline would most probably be 'no'.
Have never been anywhere near LCY, don't suppose I will be, unless I become one of those evil bankers!
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
Capt Picard: Well, for you Stansted is the logical airport to use... It's by far the most convenient airport from your location. But who knows? Maybe you will become an evil banker, after all A few years from now, you might be managing the "suppressing 3rd world countries" department of some bank, or the "how to rip off people more efficiently" section of an insurer
Anyway: Do bother to ask for flight deck visits. I don't think everyone is as paranoid about it as some major airlines. Besides, airlines not flying transatlantic probably aren't worried. On VS or BA chances are low. But on most other airlines, I'd try. It can't be a crime to ask (unless of course you are armed with a plastic spoon while asking, threatening to whack an innocent passenger with it )
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2893 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
Thanks for posting that great trip report, Ikarus!! I had the pleasure to fly into/out of LCY last year, also aboard a Dash-8 (Sabena/Schreiner), and I also noticed that the aircraft remained on a very low altitude after take-off from LCY, my guess is that LHR holdings are mostly passing over LCY and east London, so they are not allowed to gain altitude - but I might be wrong, if anybody knows the reason, please feel free to correct me.
Strange that you got such a cheap ticket - normally LCY is one of the most expensive airports around, airport taxes etc., which some (business) people seem to be willing to pay, so airlines often see their chances and sell their LCY flights even more expensive "...if anybody wants to buy cheap tickets... we are also flying to STN...". Well, it seems that you were lucky!
Btw, it's definitely not the first LCY trip report, as I posted one after my return from LCY last September http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/12994/
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Ndebele:
The reason why it was so cheap is Star Alliance. BMI offers flights from London to Munich for GBP69 plus taxes - for some reason that includes ALL London airports that offer direct flights to Munich on any Star Alliance carrier. So it's not even a special fare or anything, just a result of all these alliances...
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12412 posts, RR: 45 Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1661 times:
Charming? 13? Oh yeah, I probably could've back then, now i'm a 'near 16' teenage ugly punk who never speaks, and cuts himself off from most human life