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Asiana Airlines 777-200ER ICN-LAX In J W/Pix  
User currently offlineMHTripple7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32532 times:

Introduction


For some reason (increased aircraft utilization?), OZ has scheduled all flights from Southeast Asia to Seoul as red-eyes. This means that not only are you extremely tired after flying on said flights, but you must also wait at all day to take an late afternoon / evening flight to North America. There are both benefits and issues with this, but it definitely prolonged my journey home quite a bit. Thus, to ease the pain of an 11 hour layover between my flight from HKT and my flight to LAX, we got a room at a hotel nearby where I was able to get some exercise and sleep.

At Incheon Airport


The hotel shuttle dropped us off at the far end of the check-in areas, or the opposite end compared to the Asiana check-in area. As I stepped into the airport, I was amazed with the architecture and the organization of everything.





Since we got our boarding passes when we checked in the night before at HKT, and our bags were checked all through to TPA, we were able to go straight through security and immigration. The whole process was unsurprisingly extremely quick and efficient.



Now, one thing that was really cool was that there was a huge interactive touchscreen in the airport terminal that provided airport information, airline information, etc. I really regret not getting a picture of this, but I have never seen anything like it in any other airport. Very cool!

It’s also nice how on the FIDS, there are arrows directing you to the direction of your gate.



Still having a few hours until our flight was scheduled to depart, I went upstairs to the Asiana lounge. In the lounge, there are plentiful food options, showers, massage chairs, and a grand piano (although I haven’t seen anyone use it the two times I’ve been through the lounge, so perhaps it’s just for show?). My only complaint is that it seemed quite crowded.





Growing tired of sitting in the lounge, I decided to take a walk around the airport.

There is a “secret” transit counter on the same floor as the lounge. Not sure what the purpose of this was, but kind of cool nonetheless.



While spotting, I couldn’t help but notice that Asiana still has many aircraft painted in their old colors. I believe they began repainting their planes in 2006, so it would appear the transition is moving somewhat slowly.



I went to our gate to see if our aircraft was present, however, it wasn’t.



I went back up to the lounge where I enjoyed some more food and relaxed in a massage chair while enjoying great views of the ramp. Perfect situation for me! It was while I was enjoying the massage chair that our aircraft, HL7756, pulled into Gate 30. I was delighted to see this, as it meant that we were travelling in one of OZ’s newest 777s, delivered in 2007.



It was also a relief, because half of OZ’s 777s don’t even have AVOD. The newer ones do while the older ones don’t.

I went down to the gate an hour before SDT, even though my boarding pass stated that boarding was to begin 30 minutes before departure. I am still intrigued by this, because every wide-body international flight I’ve taken in the past has begun boarding an hour before departure.

HL7756 resting before her flight to LAX


The Flight


Date: 27 Mar 2010
Airline: Asiana Airlines
Flight: OZ 204
Aircraft: Boeing 777-28E/ER
Aircraft Reg: HL7756
Departure Airport: Seoul – Incheon (ICN / RKSI)
Arrival Airport: Los Angeles (LAX / KLAX)
Scheduled Departure Time: 8:00 PM
Actual Departure Time: 8:00 PM (On-time)
Scheduled Arrival Time: 2:40 PM
Actual Arrival Time: 2:08 PM (32 min early)
Class: Economy
Load Factor: 100% in J, 90% in Y

Before boarding, the four gate agents ensured that there were two distinct separate lines for J and Y passengers. Boarding began smack on-time, 30 minutes before SDT, but not before the gate agents bowed before all the passengers! This is why I love flying foreign carriers.

Right after going through the door, I went down an escalator where they searched everyone’s bags. Then I boarded the aircraft through door 1L. There was only jetway connected to the aircraft today, which meant that all passengers boarded through door 1L. Not quite sure why they didn’t connect a single jetway to door 2L or just use two jetways?

Anyways, I was welcomed on-board by some good-looking and seemingly friendly F/As and was met with the typical aesthetically pleasing Boeing Signature Interior. There’s nothing like the feeling of boarding a 777!









Boarding was completed at 7:55 PM, 5 minutes before departure. It was humorous seeing the gate agent literally sprinting up and down the aisles of the aircraft, trying to ensure our flight departs on-time. Just start boarding earlier, Asiana! It will make it less stressful for everyone.



F/As came around offering pre-departure drinks right before pushback, and the safety demo and manners video was shown yet again. I find it hilarious they show such a video!

I was stunned when the crew then came around handing out amenity kits to passenger on this flight. I didn’t receive this on my last three OZ flights (LAX-ICN, ICN-BKK [redeye], and HKT-ICN [redeye]) so I supposed I was on a privileged flight or something! Needless to say it is somewhat inconsistent that I only got an amenity kit on this flight.

Pillows were tiny, blankets were thin, and headphones were the same one would receive in Y.



The captain welcomed us onboard and explained that our flight time would be relatively short, about 9 hours. WOW, tailwinds are awesome!

Takeoff roll was long but climb was steep, as usual with the 777.

Right after takeoff I decided to explore the IFE. Despite this aircraft being less than 3 years old, it was equipped with first generation AVOD. There were about 13 English movie choices, which was sufficient for the flight. I was somewhat disappointed that the IFE wasn’t the same system as the flight over on the 744, however, as I really enjoyed that moving-map feature. I also believe that OZ has no plans of updating their 777 fleet to the newer IFE.



Menus were handed out shortly after takeoff, however, I wasn’t too pleased with how they did it. They gave me a menu and waited right there for me to decide and took the menu back right after I ordered. I would have appreciated a few minutes to look it over.

However, one great thing was that the F/As went around placing stickers next to the PTVs of passengers sleeping which said that when you wake up, you should feel free to just ask an F/A for a meal.

Also, the aircraft cabin was quite warm and there were no individual air vents, which was somewhat uncomfortable.







Despite my disappointment with the ordering process, the meal was excellent in both presentation and quality.

After enjoying the meal, I decided that I would attempt to get some shut eye. It was on this flight that I became somewhat uncomfortable in OZ’s J seat. First of all, there is significantly less pitch on OZ’s 777s compared to their 744s (I know SeatGuru states they are same, but I was on a 777 configured with an extra row of J seats). Now with the seat itself, I wasn’t able to fully stretch my legs out and had to keep my knees bent while I slept. I can’t quite figure out how to explain it, but it just seemed like the leg-rest didn’t extend enough, and the foot-stopper prevented me from extending my legs past the end of the seat. I’m 6’ 1” so I don’t consider myself to be unusually tall…

Despite this, I was able to get some nice sleep and awoke about 3 hours before arrival. It was then that I began to watch Avatar and track the progress of our flight.



There was another meal served roughly 2 hours before arrival. The F/A came to my seat, handed me the menu, informed me that my preferred choice wasn’t available, and then waited at my seat for me to choose. Feeling pressured with the F/A waiting there I just chose the first thing I saw and hoped it was good!

As the F/A puts the soup on my tray table, I inquire as to what the soup is exactly since I didn’t have time to look it over on the menu. She responds by smiling, shrugging, and saying she doesn’t know. Very nice!



The soup was quite tasty, however.









At the top of our descent, it became clear that we would have a very early arrival into LAX, which was great.



The whole approach and landing was very smooth and we got a great view of Los Angeles. It was pretty cool seeing some spotters taking photos of our aircraft right before landing.





Braking was hard and we exited the runway promptly. I saw the QF A380, which was cool.



The captain turned off the engines right in front of our gate and were towed in the rest of the way.

Last picture before leaving



Souvenirs from the flight


Overall, this flight was an average long-haul flight, although far from what I would have expected from Asiana. Despite being on one of OZ’s newest 777s, the IFE was 1st generation AVOD, and there was noticeably less pitch than the 74Es.

These small things can be overlooked, however. The crew was probably my biggest disappointment of the flight. It was like night and day compared to my flight from LAX to ICN. The crew on this flight didn’t address passengers by name or thank them for flying Asiana personally, which was a really nice touch that I appreciated on my LAX-ICN flight. Obviously I wouldn’t normally expect this on any other airline but since the crew did these things on the outbound flight, I think it’s legit to expect it on the return? They looked nice and smiled sporadically when interacting with pax, which is always excellent, but they seemed to lack an interest in their job. The whole process of ordering food as mentioned above was another gripe of mine with the crew.

I have had better flights on AF, EK, and even DL. Not quite what I would consider 5-star on this flight. Thankfully, my other flights with OZ were truly fantastic so my impression of the airline as a whole is still positive.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the read! Here are some prior Trip Reports:

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User currently offlineflightsimboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32341 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I believe they began repainting their planes in 2006, so it would appear the transition is moving somewhat slowly.

Does seem like a long time. I'm not sure how many are in the OZ fleet.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
hey gave me a menu and waited right there for me to decide and took the menu back right after I ordered. I would have appreciated a few minutes to look it over.

The F/A came to my seat, handed me the menu, informed me that my preferred choice wasn’t available, and then waited at my seat for me to choose. Feeling pressured with the F/A waiting there I just chose the first thing I saw and hoped it was good!

Wow really pressurized in J class!! Almost like the FA on EK who came by rather quickly to clear my tray away...while I was still eating!!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I’m 6’ 1” so I don’t consider myself to be unusually tall…

If you are over 6' you are tall!! lol

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Also, the aircraft cabin was quite warm and there were no individual air vents, which was somewhat uncomfortable.

I need those air vents at all times! I think QF did not have those and I was starting to feel suffocated, perhaps just psychologically since they were not there!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
As the F/A puts the soup on my tray table, I inquire as to what the soup is exactly since I didn’t have time to look it over on the menu. She responds by smiling, shrugging, and saying she doesn’t know. Very nice!

Not very professional.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
t was pretty cool seeing some spotters taking photos of our aircraft right before landing.

Would be nice if you had to get a pic of them LOL


User currently offlineakhmad From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 31900 times:

Hi MHTripple7,

Nice conclusion of your journey to Asia. Thank you for the insight review of OZ trans Pacific flights. Something I would not experience quickly.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
My only complaint is that it seemed quite crowded.

Could OZ lounge probably handle the most Star Alliance passengers in ICN? Did you conside to pay a visit to other Star Alliance carrier's lounges?

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
placing stickers next to the PTVs of passengers sleeping which said that when you wake up, you should feel free to just ask an F/A for a meal.

Indeed a nice touch.

By the way, what was your choice of main meal after the soup? It looks quite yummy.

Cheers,
Suryo


User currently offlineAI151 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 31034 times:

Hey MHTripple7, another interesting TR. OZ does seem like a good airline but it sounds like the crew can be inconsistent as the services you had on both flights were completely different.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
As I stepped into the airport, I was amazed with the architecture and the organization of everything.

This is one thing I love about Asian airports. SIN, HKG and BKK are good examples.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
headphones were the same one would receive in Y.

You would think that flying in 'J', you would get better than that!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
However, one great thing was that the F/As went around placing stickers next to the PTVs of passengers sleeping which said that when you wake up, you should feel free to just ask an F/A for a meal.

A nice touch as on some airlines I've been woken up whilst in the middle of sleeping which I did not appreciate.

Sandeep (AI151)


User currently offlineabrelosojos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 29797 times:

Thanks for the report on OZ. I keep on wondering why OZ gets ranked so high. I have never flown them on in J or F (changing soon), but it seems they have mediocre "hard products" and some inconsistent "soft products". In Y, their service is impeccable, but the AVOD options leave much to be desired. Again, thank you, and keep on flying.

Saludos,
A.


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 29589 times:

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
Does seem like a long time. I'm not sure how many are in the OZ fleet.

I know they have a fleet 61 aircraft, however, I have no clue as to how many have been repainted. For all I know I could have captured all aircraft in the old livery in that shot!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
Wow really pressurized in J class!! Almost like the FA on EK who came by rather quickly to clear my tray away...while I was still eating!!

Haha, I think that having your food taken away from you is much worse than what happened to me.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
If you are over 6' you are tall!! lol

Lol, I suppose but every other seat has been able to accommodate me.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
I need those air vents at all times! I think QF did not have those and I was starting to feel suffocated, perhaps just psychologically since they were not there!

I've always wondered why some carriers don't provide individual vents... It seems to be an issue on 777s only.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
Would be nice if you had to get a pic of them LOL

I know but they took my surprise!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Nice conclusion of your journey to Asia. Thank you for the insight review of OZ trans Pacific flights. Something I would not experience quickly.

Many thanks, akhmad.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
By the way, what was your choice of main meal after the soup? It looks quite yummy.

I don't know because they took the menus away and not even the crew seemed to know what they were serving me!

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
Hey MHTripple7, another interesting TR. OZ does seem like a good airline but it sounds like the crew can be inconsistent as the services you had on both flights were completely different.

Thanks AI151, and yes I do believe OZ is a great airline overall.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
This is one thing I love about Asian airports. SIN, HKG and BKK are good examples.

Yup, everything is much less stressful as well since there are never any lines anywhere.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
You would think that flying in 'J', you would get better than that!

I know, and unfortunately they had the "two-pronged" plugs for the headsets so I couldn't use my own, which would have been great.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
A nice touch as on some airlines I've been woken up whilst in the middle of sleeping which I did not appreciate.

I agree!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 4):
Thanks for the report on OZ. I keep on wondering why OZ gets ranked so high. I have never flown them on in J or F (changing soon), but it seems they have mediocre "hard products" and some inconsistent "soft products". In Y, their service is impeccable, but the AVOD options leave much to be desired. Again, thank you, and keep on flying.

Can't wait to see your TR when you fly on Asiana! I'm gonna guess you will have a pretty good experience considering 3/4 of my OZ flights were great.


User currently online767747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 29135 times:
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Great report and photos!! Looks like you had a decent flight to LAX in Asiana J.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 1):
As the F/A puts the soup on my tray table, I inquire as to what the soup is exactly since I didn’t have time to look it over on the menu. She responds by smiling, shrugging, and saying she doesn’t know. Very nice!

This is very strange ... bizarre for J class service!

Looking forward to more reports!

767747


User currently offlineORDnHKG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 28381 times:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Perfect situation for me! It was while I was enjoying the massage chair that our aircraft, HL7756, pulled into Gate 30. I was delighted to see this, as it meant that we were travelling in one of OZ’s newest 777s, delivered in 2007.

Well, it is a newer one, not one of the newest. If you are saying one of the newest it would be HL7775, the 3 class 777.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I was stunned when the crew then came around handing out amenity kits to passenger on this flight. I didn’t receive this on my last three OZ flights (LAX-ICN, ICN-BKK [redeye], and HKT-ICN [redeye]) so I supposed I was on a privileged flight or something! Needless to say it is somewhat inconsistent that I only got an amenity kit on this flight.

Pillows were tiny, blankets were thin, and headphones were the same one would receive in Y.

I agree it is inconsistent, but for sure OZ never have kits for ICN-BKK or HKT-ICN, as those are short haul flights, short haul flights never have kits, in a matter of fact, only a handful of airlines provide kits for short haul like TG.

For headsets, even if you fly F, you would still get the same one like in Y, OZ is just too stubborn for a change.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Menus were handed out shortly after takeoff, however, I wasn’t too pleased with how they did it. They gave me a menu and waited right there for me to decide and took the menu back right after I ordered. I would have appreciated a few minutes to look it over.

That is a practice I hate the most with OZ, I actually have to tell them I want to keep the menus, no idea why they have to take it back, prehaps saving the cost and reuse it, as the food items on each menus usually last for 3 months.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
As the F/A puts the soup on my tray table, I inquire as to what the soup is exactly since I didn’t have time to look it over on the menu. She responds by smiling, shrugging, and saying she doesn’t know. Very nice!

This is a way to hide their lacking of english skills. It is not she doesn't know what kind of soup it is, it is she doesn't know how to say it in english. If you pay attention to many asian FA on various asian airlines, a smile can represent they don't know how to say it in english, or simply a fake smile, this is very obvious especailly on NH and JL when they can't grant you what your request, a simply more polite way to do it, rather then say no.

OZ FA really do need to improve their spoken english. Many times it is hard to strike an english conversation with them, I have to think in the most simple english word, or they have no idea what I am talking about. JL and NH's FA have better english skills than OZ's FA.


User currently offlinechiawei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28179 times:

The transit counter are for flyer that is connecting from none Asiana or KE passenger to get boarding pass when landing in ICN.

I had to do that when I flew on SQ 15 connecting to PVG on Asiana. SQ can't issue my connecting boarding pass in SFO to PVG. Baggage can tag all the way but not boarding pass.


User currently offlineba319-131 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 27240 times:
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Nice report & pictures, thanks for posting.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
a grand piano (although I haven’t seen anyone use it the two times I’ve been through the lounge, so perhaps it’s just for show?).

- Nope, seen several OZ TR's where the piano is used.

Not the best sounding experience here, and certainly not a 5* airline from this report.

Meal service looks pretty unimpressive as does the leg room, lastky, the 2-3-2 layout in J is just not good enough.

Rgds

Mark


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 25680 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Great report and photos!! Looks like you had a decent flight to LAX in Asiana J.

Thanks, 767747.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
This is very strange ... bizarre for J class service!

I agree... I was somewhat stunned to see this happen, especially on OZ.

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
I agree it is inconsistent, but for sure OZ never have kits for ICN-BKK or HKT-ICN, as those are short haul flights, short haul flights never have kits, in a matter of fact, only a handful of airlines provide kits for short haul like TG.

That's interesting...

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
For headsets, even if you fly F, you would still get the same one like in Y, OZ is just too stubborn for a change.

This leads me to wonder HOW they got rated as a 5* airline... Even if they have spectacular service, they just don't have the amenities and hard product.

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
That is a practice I hate the most with OZ, I actually have to tell them I want to keep the menus, no idea why they have to take it back, prehaps saving the cost and reuse it, as the food items on each menus usually last for 3 months.

I'm guessing that's the case. The menus were quite nice though.

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
This is a way to hide their lacking of english skills. It is not she doesn't know what kind of soup it is, it is she doesn't know how to say it in english. If you pay attention to many asian FA on various asian airlines, a smile can represent they don't know how to say it in english, or simply a fake smile, this is very obvious especailly on NH and JL when they can't grant you what your request, a simply more polite way to do it, rather then say no.

OZ FA really do need to improve their spoken english. Many times it is hard to strike an english conversation with them, I have to think in the most simple english word, or they have no idea what I am talking about. JL and NH's FA have better english skills than OZ's FA.

Thanks for your insight, that actually makes sense.

Quoting chiawei (Reply 8):
The transit counter are for flyer that is connecting from none Asiana or KE passenger to get boarding pass when landing in ICN.

Right but this transit counter was post-security and randomly on the same floor as the lounge.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 9):
Nice report & pictures, thanks for posting.

Thanks ba319-131.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 9):
- Nope, seen several OZ TR's where the piano is used.

That's good to hear. I suppose I was just in the lounge at the wrong time then.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 9):
Not the best sounding experience here, and certainly not a 5* airline from this report.

Meal service looks pretty unimpressive as does the leg room, lastky, the 2-3-2 layout in J is just not good enough.

Meals tasted great but everything else was below my expectations.


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