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Inside Israel: SDV-ETH-TLV; Israir & Arkia (+pics)  
User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 23262 times:

Hey Guys,
Here is a trip report about 2 domestic flights in Israel, rare to find such here.

350 words about Eilat and domestic aviation in Israel:
Eilat is the southernmost city in Israel, located on the red sea beach, 300km south of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. The area where Eilat is located was nothing but empty desert in 1949, when IDF troops concurred to the area in the last operation of the independence war. Since there was no land connection to the rest of Israel, the first thing that was built there was a runway, and in Eilat's (the city that was built in the area) first years even things like fuel and vegetables had to be flown to the city. As the years went by, Eilat grew and developed to 60,000 residents city, in addition to 12,000 hotel rooms, with many tourists enjoying the Red sea beaches, 360 sunny days a year so as tax free shopping. And the runway? remained at the same place, which is today right at the city center. That means that the beach is great spotting location but also – the terminal is located between the airside and Eilat's main road, therefore it's unexpendable. All planes to move the airport out of the city remained on the paper (even though most international traffic was moved to Ovda airport VDA in 1985).


MyAviation.net photo:
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Photo © Elad Eckstein


On the photo you can see how the runway is located right in the middle of the city (Aqaba, Jordan, in the background).

Because airlink to central Israel was vital, an airline was crated for that target, named Arkia in 1950. Arkia had monopoly over Eilat flights till 1996, when Israir joined the market to create competition. To be honest, it's more duopoly then competition: price different between the 2 airlines is usually just a few Shekels, while fares relatively high. When El Al announced it's intention to fly to ETH, Arkia, feeling threatened, lunched new low cost domestic flights (usually the flights in crappy hours) named "Arkia Express" for 79-119 NIS instead of the regular rates of 235-360 NIS (3.7 NIS = 1 USD). The final answer whether LY will join the domestic market will be given soon by the high court of justice.


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Photo © Michael Sender


To the left – beach view after takeoff from RWY 21. To the right - view of the parking area and the terminal.

Background:
Myself and 2 of my best friends use the annual gay parade in Eilat as an excuse to spend a weekend in the city. On the return leg, there were 2 low cost flights: one on Saturday at 14:00, the other on Sunday at 07:20. We choose the Sunday flight to have one more night in Eilat, nethertheless, it's early enough not to miss classes on Sunday (the weekend in Israel is fri-sat not sat-sun). Southbound, we all planned to go on Thursday by bus (the only other express flight was way too early), as my friends did.
One month prior to that weekend, I was invited to a wedding of a good friend of mien, on Friday the 14th at noon, and there was no way I was going to miss her wedding; thus I decided to miss one night in Eilat, and to take a flight southbound after the wedding. I took the latest flight on Friday – the 16:30 Israir flight from Dov Hoz airport, there are no later flights since ETH is closed for most of the Jewish Shabbat.

Booking:
The Arkia northbound flight was booked way ahead, in February, because on express flight the sooner you book the lower the price is. Booking itself was done on Arkia's friendly website. No seat choosing option was available.
The Israir southbound flight was booked 3 weeks prior to takeoff, on the phone, since from some reason I had problem booking it online. No seat choosing option was available here either.

Weather forecast for the 14th: + 39C sunny in Eilat. Warm enough for mid May?


Pre-flight:
I drove right from the wedding (מזל טוב אפרת וטל-שחר!), to Tel Aviv Dov Hoz airport (SDV), arrived at 15:40.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/859/imgp4300b.jpg

Tel Aviv Dov Hoz Airport, SDV, known in Hebrew as Sde Dov, is named after Dov Hoz, a pioneer of aviation in Israel and one of the founders of the "Hagana", the organization that later on became the IDF. Built in 1938 and located in the northwest of Tel Aviv, It is using for domestic flights and it used to be an IAF base. The ministry of transportation made a decision to close the airfield till 2014, and for that purpose the IAF base was evacuated till 2008; the light aviation is due to move to Herzelia airfield (LLHZ) which is 9 km away and the commercial domestic aviation is due to move to Ben Gurion airport (TLV) which is 15km away. The reason for closing is that SDV is surrounded by residential neighborhoods; jets can't serve the airport on regular basis due to noise restrictions but first and foremost – the land where SDV is located is very expensive.

External view:
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Check in hall:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8236/imgp4306o.jpg

I passed security questioning in less then 1 minute, then checked in for the last flight of the day. I asked for a window seat in the front, and I was told that only 1D is an available window seat in the front, which is rearwards seat. I said it is fine (never sat rearwards on airplane, nice to try something different).

FIDS – notice that my flight is the last of the day:
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Photos of Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Eilat behind the check in counters:
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Light aviation area:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2187/imgp4304e.jpg

Arkia Ads at the airport:
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7976/imgp4311q.jpg

Gate:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4634/imgp4319.jpg

2 Private jets and out of service arkia Dash 7:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/629/imgp4320.jpg

Airport bus:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2074/imgp4310m.jpg

Inside the bus:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7144/imgp4323.jpg

Boarding (via the rare stairs):
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http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9875/imgp4329.jpg

Arkia ATR behind (4X-AVW):


Registration:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6682/imgp4328.jpg

Tail - Israir is Israel's 3rd largest airline, currently fly 3 ATR-42s and 2 A320s (1 more on the way) on domestic destinations in Israel (SDV, TLV, ETH & HFA), so as to Europe (MXP, FCO, VRN, NCE, SXF, DME, BSL):
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8865/imgp4327c.jpg

Not only no one told me that taking picturs is not allowed, but an Israir emplyee standing next to the plane asked me if I want him to take my picture with the plane.

I was greeted by the FA and got to my seat upfront.

Flight details:
Flight: 6H437
Airline: Israir
Airplane: ATR 42-320 4X-ATM (ex Continental Express, built 1987).
Route: Tel Aviv Dov Hoz SDV -> Eilat J. Hozman ETH (Both in Israel).
Date: Friday, May 14th, 2010.
Seat: 1D
Runways: 03 -> 03
Gates: 1 -> (walk)
STD/SAT: 16:30/17:30

Actual timing:
Taxi: 16:31
Weels off: 16:33
Touchdown: 17:20
Full stop: 17:22

Airborn time: 47 minutes.
Gate to Gate time: 52 minutes (Scheduled 1:00)

Window view:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3894/imgp4334i.jpg

Engine starting:


Taxi was done pretty fast, and we took off northbound from RWY 03. SDV control tower:

Tel Aviv after takeoff:
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http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4262/imgp4339.jpg

Cabin view – well maintained, very good for 23 years old plane (Israir is planning to replace the current ATR fleet in newer ATR72s):
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/994/imgp4352.jpg

Boarding Pass:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5217/imgp4494.jpg

Inflight magazine, safety card & sick bag:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1213/imgp4637.jpg

Flight path – northbound departure, gaining altitude over the sea, then heading east, turning south over Petach Tikva, then south above Lod, Beit Shemsh, Beer Sheva, Mitzpe Ramon, descending and turning north, then landing northbound on RWY 03:


Flight views - visibility not too good today, and also the sun was on my direction. Herzelia:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8858/imgp4342b.jpg

Heading east over the sea:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8029/imgp4343.jpg

Crossing the coast line:


Tel Aviv area:
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http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8030/imgp4349i.jpg

We flew right over Ben Gurion Airport:
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http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4130/imgp4357f.jpg

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Beit Shemesh:


Bad view, but I swear its Beer Sheva under us, Israel’s 7th largest city and the largest city in the Negev desert:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2469/imgp4367d.jpg

Ramon Crater:


Engine:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6213/imgp4373.jpg

Negev:




The Red sea:




Crossing Eilat beach:


Landing:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2773/imgp4387.jpg

Post-flight:
Eilat airport is small, and getting from the plane to the terminal and visversa is done by foot. Since the distance is no more then 50 meters, and there is practically no rain in Eilat – that's not a problem.
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9391/imgp4391s.jpg

Last view of my plane – probably my last Israir ATR42 flight:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/179/imgp4394.jpg

Arkia ATR 72-500 (4X-AVU, I flew this one in 2008):
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4996/imgp4392r.jpg

“Enjoy Eilat”:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3361/imgp4396.jpg

Flags of Israel and of Israel Airports Authority:
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Baggage claim hall:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4137/imgp4399.jpg

After exiting the terminal, a bus from the hotel company where I stayed during the weekend was waiting, and got me to my hotel where my friends already spent the night in.

Some shots from Eilat – lagoon area at night:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9450/imgp4403u.jpg

Herods hotel:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1254/imgp4478.jpg

Hilton Queen of Sheba hotel:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1505/imgp4406.jpg

King Solomon hotel:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/756/imgp4418.jpg

View to the north-west of the city from the Royal Beach hotel 16th floor. Can you spot the runway?
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3405/imgp4280.jpg

View to the north-east from the same location:
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2433/imgp4432.jpg

Beach:


Royal Garden hotel:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1179/imgp4434q.jpg

Inside the Royal Beach hotel:


Beach #2:
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Arkia ATR land:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5930/imgp4456.jpg

Advertisement in Eilat for Arkia's new destination – Aqaba, Jordan ($300 for 3 nights in **** hotel including flights from Haifa):
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4679/imgp4457h.jpg

View of the airport from the beach – 6H ATR & A320, IZ ATR:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8158/imgp4460.jpg

The local Jumbo arrived – Arkia B757-300, the largest plane operating from this airport:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1291/imgp4472.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4789/imgp4475k.jpg

Streets decorated in the gay community flags for the weekend:
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Entrance to my hotel:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3830/imgp4417n.jpg

At the evening, it was very quite…
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8517/imgp4413.jpg

But the next afternoon was a bit diffenet:
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http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9028/imgp4449r.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8780/imgp4453t.jpg

Our room at the end of the weekend:


Hehe…


After fantastic, but way too short, weekend in Eilat, it was time to head back north.

Pre-flight:
We got up at 06:00, and got to the airport at 06:40. External view of the terminal:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6908/imgp4495e.jpg

We passed security in seconds, and in check in I asked for a seat on the left side of the plane. I was asked if row 29 out of 31 is fine, I answered it's exellent. Check in hall:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3017/imgp4497m.jpg

After check in, we bought breakfast (I got a tuna sandwich, coffee and newspaper for 32 NIS).

FIDS (destinations – SDV, TLV & HFA only, airlines – IZ & 6H only):
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1028/imgp4498.jpg

After checking in, we went one level down, to the gates waiting area:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2091/imgp4500.jpg

Airplanes models in that hall:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9951/imgp4501l.jpg

Israir B767-300 model, today its only collectors item:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1540/imgp4503.jpg

Gate:
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9463/imgp4504.jpg

Boarding was done by foot, as usuall in Eilat. View to the Terminal:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6575/imgp4506.jpg

Our ride for today – Embraer E195, the first and only EMB jet in Israel. It was suppose to be Universal Airlines jet, part of Air Europa (Spain), but the airline never came to life, then Arkia used the opportunity to buy a new jet in reduced price. The white color scheme is not arkia's one - from some reason it wasn't painted to IZ's regular colors:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7898/imgp4505.jpg

Arkia Israeli Airlines, known until 1980 as Arkia Inland Airlines, was the airline created for domestic aviation in Israel in 1949 and it is the second largest airline in Israel. Privatized in 1980, it is now still flying dometic in Israel so as to Europe with 2 B757-300s, 1 E195 & 5 ATR 72-500. Arkia logo under the national flag:


Boarding via L1:
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6954/imgp4509.jpg

Flight details:
Flight: IZ2822
Airline: Arkia Israeli Airlines
Airplane: Embraer E195 4X-EMA (Built 2008)
Route: Eilat J. Hozman ETH -> Tel Aviv Ben Gurion TLV (Both in Israel).
Date: Sunday, May 16th, 2010.
Seat: 29A
Runways: 03 -> 12
Gates: 2 -> (bus)
STD/SAT: 07:20/08:00

Actual timing:
Taxi: 07:23
Weels off: 07:24
Touchdown: 08:03
Full stop: 08:06

Airborn time: 39 minutes.
Gate to Gate time: 43 minutes (Scheduled 0:40)

My first impression was "wow!". The plane was brand new, smelled like one (it is serving the airline 18 months now) but the real surprise was the business-like seats and legroom which is better then arkia's other planes. My seat:


Legroom:


Very short taxi (1 minute, another small airport advantage), and northbound takeoff from RWY 03. Terminal view:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2336/imgp4512w.jpg

Airborne over Kibbutz Eilot:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3572/imgp4515.jpg

Cabin view:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3063/imgp4523.jpg

The “No smoking” is still in Spanish and English:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3453/imgp4529z.jpg

Boarding pass:


Inflight magazine & safety card:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3212/imgp4636.jpg

Fleet and destinations from Arkia’s magazine:


Flight path: Northbound over the Arava and the Dead sea, then west over Jericho, flying over northern Jerusalem, Yahud and Herzelia, crossing the Mediterranean, 180 left turn over the sea, then re-crossing the beach and landing on RWY 12:


Timna Park:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7720/imgp4531g.jpg

Masada:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3769/imgp4543.jpg

David river, Ein Gedi and Dead sea beach:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8237/imgp4545.jpg

The Dead sea, the lowest place in the world (-417 meters): http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/586/imgp4547.jpg



Jerusalem:
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4536/imgp4558.jpg

Jerusalem old city. No metter who your guy is, King David, Jesus or Muhammad, they were all down there:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1385/jerusalemold.jpg

My University campus – mt. Scoups, part of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7585/imgp4556a.jpg

My neighborhood (Hagiva Hatzarfatit):
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9858/imgp4557m.jpg

Givat Zeev (north of Jerusalem):
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/559/imgp4564.jpg

Heading to Ben Gurion airport and flying north of it, towards the sea:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2698/imgp4575h.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5686/imgp4574.jpg

Tel Aviv area:
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http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8271/imgp4579.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8825/imgp4583t.jpg

North part of Kiryat Ono, my home city till 2007:
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Heading toward the sea:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6123/imgp4585e.jpg



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Sunday morning is the worst rush hour of the week…Here is a look over Geha junction:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9431/imgp4584b.jpg

Ramat Gan Stadium:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4252/imgp4587.jpg

Dov Hoz airport:


"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
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User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23047 times:

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Northern Tel Aviv:




Crossing the beach westbound:


Turning over the sea:
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Then re-crossing the beach eastbound and descending to landing:




Over Tel Aviv:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1160/imgp4603.jpg

Ayalon Highway:


Ramat Gan National park:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1376/imgp4609g.jpg

Morning mist:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2285/imgp4610.jpg

Mesubim Junction. Did I mention that Sunday at 8 am is the worst hour to be on the road?
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9354/imgp4612.jpg

Crossing runway 08:
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1123/imgp4617.jpg

Touchdown on runway 12:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6660/imgp4619z.jpg

Domestic traffic in TLV is done via Terminal 1. Airside view:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3752/imgp4623.jpg

Old control tower, was in use till early 80s:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1319/imgp4622.jpg

El Al’s new B747-400F (4X-ELF):
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/923/imgp4625.jpg

Disembarking was done via airport bus, to the Terminal.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4340/imgp4628.jpg

Baggage claim hall:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9497/imgp4630.jpg

External view of the Terminal:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3331/imgp4634s.jpg

Now, this building is a true piece of history: Since the end of the Independence war, this building was the main, almost sole, gateway in and out of Israel by air - Till the opening of Terminal 3 in late 2004. That means – for the Israelis this building was the gateway abroad (by air), and for tourists and new immigrants that building was the first sight of Israel, our version of Ellis Island (since the mid 50s at least, when air traffic override sea traffic). In 2004 Terminal 3 opened, and good old Terminal 1 closed down. After some renovation and adjustments, in 2007 it reopened as the domestic terminal, replacing the smaller Terminal 2 that was demolished.

Old international arrival hall:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7858/imgp4632.jpg

Even though I flew to and from Eilat many times, those flights were still interesting for me: the IZ flight was my first Embraer flight ever, and the 6H flight was my first flight out of SDV since 1991, and my first Israir ATR flight since 2000. Also 2 new registrations for my log.

This is it. I know that TRs about domestic flights in Israel are pretty rare here (that's why I made it so detailed), so I hope you guys found it interesting. Comments are always welcome.

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Please take a look at my other trip reports:
Special TR: Preparations For El Al Ind.day Flyover (by EL-AL Apr 20 2010 in Trip Reports)
LCC In Spain: TLV-BCN-SVQ-REU With UX, VY & FR (by EL-AL Apr 18 2010 in Trip Reports)
Y Viva Espana! TLV-BCN-TLV; EL-AL 'basic' (+ Pics) (by EL-AL Jan 29 2010 in Trip Reports)
EL-AL At It's Best: TLV-MXP, FCO-TLV (+pics) (by EL-AL Oct 12 2009 in Trip Reports)
First Sun D'or Pax TR TLV-BOJ (new Link To Pics) (by EL-AL Sep 12 2009 in Trip Reports)



"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22750 times:

Very nice trip report... I enjoyed every bit of it.

I want to do that trip when I go to Israel in June. I would like to use both SDV and TLV and 753 and E95. It is going to be hard to organize that. Any tips?



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22242 times:

Todah raba Yonatan for the excellent intra-Israel tri-report. My family is planning to take a trip to Eretz Yisroel this year and I really look forward to it. Unfortunately I don't think we'll get to any any flying on Arkia or Israir.


Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22164 times:

Very good trip report, I enjoyed reading.

I've been wanting to go to Tel Aviv in ages now...I must book myself a trip. Been once to Eilat.

Rob!   


User currently offlinetaichen From Spain, joined Jul 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22019 times:

Really interesting read.

Israel seems to be a nice place to go . with so many new airlinks (Air Europa, Spanair both from BCN) i might well go someday.

I did not know about Eilat gay week. It seems the city is quite open minded, nice to hear that.


User currently offlineLYChemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21819 times:

Hilarious that in France, USA and UK they can stop one taking pictures but in Israel no problem. Thanks for the interesting report.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21711 times:

Hi Jonathan,

very enjoyable report with many great pictures - reviews about Israeli domestic flights are hard to find.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Weather forecast for the 14th: + 39C sunny in Eilat. Warm enough for mid May?

Definitely enough!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Not only no one told me that taking picturs is not allowed, but an Israir emplyee standing next to the plane asked me if I want him to take my picture with the plane.

Very impressive!

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
But the next afternoon was a bit diffenet:

Wow, what a crowd...


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26488 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21415 times:

Hey Jonathon,
I think this is one of my fav reports from you along side the last one VIP Tour of 744 LY.

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Hilton Queen of Sheba hotel:

I want to stay there so much  
Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Hehe…

Never seen that sign before lol... Was that due to the event?

Quoting taichen (Reply 5):
I did not know about Eilat gay week. It seems the city is quite open minded, nice to hear that.

Yes and Tel Aviv has amazing nightlife.

Thanks for the great report , I love to see the coastline of Tel Aviv also , brings back nice memories.


Philip



AEGEAN-OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ " μέλος στη Star Alliance
User currently offlineCVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20631 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
I passed security questioning in less then 1 minute

Lucky. I guess it's easier for Israelis?

Looks like Eilat was a good time. You can always count on Israel knowing how to get down.

תּוֹדָה רַבָּה



Roll Tide // Next: UA/EV/LH CVG-EWR-FRA-DUS-MUC-EWR-CVG
User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20321 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 2):
Very nice trip report... I enjoyed every bit of it.

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 2):
I want to do that trip when I go to Israel in June. I would like to use both SDV and TLV and 753 and E95. It is going to be hard to organize that. Any tips?

Only Arkia is operating those jets here, you can use their friendly website www.arkia.com, and when press a flight number you can know which plane will operate it and to book it online.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 3):
Todah raba Yonatan for the excellent intra-Israel tri-report

You welcome, I know you guys will like it.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 3):
My family is planning to take a trip to Eretz Yisroel this year and I really look forward to it.

Don't get your hopes up, In the summer it's so hot here that you can't think about anything else but how to get out to Norway   

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 3):
Unfortunately I don't think we'll get to any any flying on Arkia or Israir

You can take a long drive to Eilat, then to come back on an airplane. I wish the Dash 7 was still around ...

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Very good trip report, I enjoyed reading

Thx, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting taichen (Reply 5):
Really interesting read

Thank you.

Quoting taichen (Reply 5):
Israel seems to be a nice place to go . with so many new airlinks (Air Europa, Spanair both from BCN) i might well go someday.

It is a nice place to go, and all 4 major spanish airlines flying BCN-TLV in the summer: Iberia, Vueling, Air Europa & Spanair, in Addition to El Al and Arkia.

Quoting taichen (Reply 5):
I did not know about Eilat gay week. It seems the city is quite open minded, nice to hear that.

Eilat is VERY openminded... something like the Israeli version of Las Vegas - Casino + beach.

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 6):
Hilarious that in France, USA and UK they can stop one taking pictures but in Israel no problem

More sad the hilarious in my opionion...

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 6):
Thanks for the interesting report.

You welcome.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
very enjoyable report with many great pictures

Thx PH.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice...

I am gonna disoppoint you...I'm getting the 4X-EMA again tommarow, but on sunday I'll hop on B753 for the first time. TR is promised.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 8):
I think this is one of my fav reports from you

Thank you very much Phil.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 8):
Never seen that sign before lol... Was that due to the event?

Yea...we were given all kind of 'gay' items for the weekend, like this door sign.

Quoting CVG72 (Reply 9):
Lucky

Luck has nothing to do with it, we just do not hold those who did not seem suspicious, as opposed to others who check everyone at the same level.

Quoting CVG72 (Reply 9):
תּוֹדָה רַבָּה

על לא דבר, התענוג שלי.



"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20247 times:

Outstanding report!! Having been to Israel twice, never to Eilat, you really showed a great time! I think I may just need to go back for a third time.

Thanks for bringing back the great memories that I had in Israel. And the aerial view of masada, amazing.


User currently offlinecastroprauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20193 times:

Quoting taichen (Reply 5):
Spanair

REALLY??? that's new to me.... hey, great news. makes me go back to the cheerful summers when TLV was flooded with FH machines...


User currently offlinedaviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19887 times:

This is a great report, almost like a travelogue! It brings back great memories for me of trips to Israel in 2008 and 2009. You captured some beautiful pictures. I did stay at the Queen of Sheba Hotel in 2009 (I can't recall which hotel in 2008; I'll have to ask my kids). We flew the Israir ATR-42. Honestly, I don't know how a 757 can takeoff from Eilat's short runway. Not only because of the short length, but the incredible summer heat. I guess the fuel load must be very light.

Thank you for the great pictures and memories. I was going to reference my trip report from last year (because it was a good one!), but I see that all of my pictures are gone. I don't know why.

[Edited 2010-05-20 10:37:27]


PlaneFlown:717,727,737,747,757,767,777,DC8,DC9,DC10,L1011,F100,A300,319,320,321,330,340,CRJ,ERJ,E190,Av85,DH8,Beaver,ATR
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19796 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 10):
I'm getting the 4X-EMA again tommarow, but on sunday I'll hop on B753 for the first time. TR is promised.

Sounds good, I'll watch out for the report.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19130 times:

I remember back the 90, I had the OAG timetables and I remember seeing flights from Jerusalem, Haifa and Rosh Pina. What happened to those airports? I have the impression the only domestic traffic is the SDV-ETH and TLV-ETH...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
Sounds good, I'll watch out for the report.

Looking forward to that one! אני כבר לא יכול לחכות



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18233 times:

Quoting 777ord (Reply 11):
Outstanding report!!

Thx!

Quoting 777ord (Reply 11):
Having been to Israel twice, never to Eilat, you really showed a great time! I think I may just need to go back for a third time.

Eilat is a real must-go for every visitor to Israel. Too bad, since most tourists only go to the historical-bibical sites in Jerusalem, the Galile and to Tel Aviv, and skip this city, which is just the oppoite from histocial-biblical site, therefore can give a hole new prespective of Israel.

Quoting castroprauxel (Reply 12):
REALLY??? that's new to me.... hey, great news. makes me go back to the cheerful summers when TLV was flooded with FH machines...

Yep, you can find tickets on thier website, prices from 170 Euros one way.

Quoting daviation (Reply 13):
This is a great report

Thx, I remember your great report about Israel. Because of you, I couldn't say that this is the first Israir Trip Report on A.net   

Quoting daviation (Reply 13):
Honestly, I don't know how a 757 can takeoff from Eilat's short runway. Not only because of the short length, but the incredible summer heat. I guess the fuel load must be very light.

It's 1.9km runway, not that short. Both Sun D'or (B752) and Israir (A320) operate direct flights from ETH to Russia (usually DME) so both jets can takeoff, fully loaded, to Europe from ETH. But you are right that the usuall B757/A320 flights to Tel Aviv takeoff pretty fuel-empty, due to the short flight.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
I remember back the 90, I had the OAG timetables and I remember seeing flights from Jerusalem, Haifa and Rosh Pina. What happened to those airports? I have the impression the only domestic traffic is the SDV-ETH and TLV-ETH...

Well, you're right. Except for SDV-RPN (Rosh Pina) flight (once a day RPN-SDV-PRN) operated by Shorts 360, there are no other domestic flights in Israel (except SDV/TLV-ETH). Regarding Jerusalem, the airport was closed in 2000 due to security problems in the area. TLV is just 40km away, so there is no real justification for JRS flighs. Road 443 connecting Atarot/Jerusalem airport to Ben Shemen (6 km away from TLV) was expened and renovated in the 90s, and driving between both takes no more then 30 minutes in regular traffic.

Rosh Pina is about 200km from Tel Aviv, and in the past 10 years road connecting the area were renovated and expended (like roads 77 and 65, so as the cunstructing of new highway 6) so today a drive in normal traffic to the north takes no more then 2.5 hours (usually around 2 hours 10 minutes) therefore, again, the need for domestic flights is gone. Both arkia and Israir lost money on RPN route, and closed it.



"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18005 times:

Hi, nice and exotic trip report! I enjoyed reading.

Are there air marshalls deployed on non-El Al flights in Israel?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Weather forecast for the 14th: + 39C sunny in Eilat. Warm enough for mid May?

I didnt know they show Palestinian Territories and Goland Heights as part of Israel! Interesting

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Advertisement in Eilat for Arkia's new destination – Aqaba, Jordan ($300 for 3 nights in **** hotel including flights from Haifa):

Is it ´´normal´´ for Israelis to travel to Jordan or Egypt? Is it safe for them?

Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
My University campus – mt. Scoups, part of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem:

That uni was a Israeli exclave surrounded by Jordanian territory...its still is legally an exclave of Israel surrounded by Occupied territories, if I am right? sorry, I have interest in enclaves!


User currently offlineReifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17791 times:

Excellent report with a lot of insight informations. Enjoyed it a lot!

Thanks
Reifel


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17652 times:

Hi EL-AL,

that's a very good report here. Didn't you feel shy by taking pics from seat 1D on the ATR? I mean, with all the passengers facing you all the time   Impressive to see so much dust on the aircraft. Would they be cleaned regularly?
btw, good to see the open mind in Israel. Nice hotel pics around the pool also. And that doorsign, that would be fun to use it in other hotels also....   One big party time it seems.
So, were you happy after the Emb190 experience? It's among my favourite aircrafts nowadays. It's quite a big change, since Arkia recently still flew the old Dash 7's.

Regards,
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17020 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Hi, nice and exotic trip report! I enjoyed reading

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Are there air marshalls deployed on non-El Al flights in Israel?

I have no idea.

Quoting Reifel (Reply 18):
Excellent report with a lot of insight informations. Enjoyed it a lot!

Thx, I'm glad to hear that.

Quoting Reifel (Reply 18):
that's a very good report here

Thank you.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 19):
Didn't you feel shy by taking pics from seat 1D on the ATR? I mean, with all the passengers facing you all the time

Well, I'm not a shy person.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 19):
Impressive to see so much dust on the aircraft. Would they be cleaned regularly?

It is been cleaned regularly (take a look at the clean cabin) but you can't beat the dust in an airplane flying deep into the desert 5 times a day!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 19):
good to see the open mind in Israel. Nice hotel pics around the pool also

Yep, Eilat is very open mind and has some of the best hotels in Israel. My hotel wans't consider as one of the better hotels in the city.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 19):
One big party time it seems

That was pretty much the idea.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 19):
were you happy after the Emb190 experience? It's among my favourite aircrafts nowadays. It's quite a big change, since Arkia recently still flew the old Dash 7's

I sure am. I still miss those Dash 7s in Eilat.



"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

Excellent TR!!! I love Eilat, I miss this city...


אמא, אני מתגעגע לך
User currently onlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16317 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 21):
Excellent TR!!!

Merci.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 21):
I love Eilat, I miss this city...

I remember your fantastic report to Eilat, with flights to VDA, the sole VDA TR on this forum so far.



"In our country, those who do not believe in miracles are irrational" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16168 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 22):
remember your fantastic report to Eilat, with flights to VDA, the sole VDA TR on this forum so far.

yes, indeed, it was in December 2007...
CDG-VDA, TLV-CDG With LY In Y (many Pics) Part 1 (by LY777 Jan 2 2008 in Trip Reports)?threadid=116511&searchid=120065&s=VDA#ID120065



אמא, אני מתגעגע לך
User currently offlineFlyBaby From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13588 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Are there air marshalls deployed on non-El Al flights in Israel?

Not sure but I can say that the security screenings for domestic flights in Israel is much more relaxed than the international flights out of Terminal 3 at TLV.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Is it ´´normal´´ for Israelis to travel to Jordan or Egypt? Is it safe for them?

Israelis going to visit Jordan and Egypt (particularly Sinai) is fairly common. They try not to be too conspicuous though.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
That uni was a Israeli exclave surrounded by Jordanian territory...its still is legally an exclave of Israel surrounded by Occupied territories, if I am right? sorry, I have interest in enclaves!

The East Jerusalem area differs from the rest of the occupied territories in that Israel (unilaterally) annexed it. There are no walls or checkpoints separating it from the western part of the town and one is free to roam about the city and thus there is no feel of an exclave really. The rest of the West Bank is a different story since the West Bank Barrier separates most of it from Israel proper. While not citizens like other Israeli Arabs in what Israel considers its territory proper, East Jerusalem residents hold Israeli identity cards and receive the same social welfare benefits as Israeli citizens. They have no travel restrictions inside Israel (though getting to and from the West Bank can be a logistical challenge).


User currently offlineViper911 From Russia, joined Oct 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

Great TR Jonathan, but u forgot to show the world, Arkia's DC-3 thats parked in Eilat   (although you can a tiny bit of it)

Yevgeni from Modiin.


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