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ANA "Inspiration Of Japan" In Y, JFK-NRT  
User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 26410 times:

Just recently got back from what's become an annual round trip for my wife and me. We usually take ANA but have also flown JAL, United, American, and Northwest on this route. We've settled into ANA being our preferred airline because they've always had that combination of immaculate planes, extremely professional and courteous service, and a *lot* of that service. Y class always meant two full meals and a snack, and sometimes *two* snacks (one "regular" snack like soba noodles or cup noodles, and one very light snack like an ice cream). Flight attendants routinely walked around the cabin offering drinks, including wine.

ANA just introduced their new international product on this route called "Inspiration of Japan". New seats are in each cabin, including staggered business class seating in a 1-2-1 configuration and new "shell" slide-forward economy seats in a 2-4-3 configuration with an advertised 34" seat pitch, larger touch-based viewscreens and outlets for power, USB and iPod connectors. Along with the new seats, ANA has introduced various service changes that they're marketing as allowing for a more "personalized" experience but which we discovered were really just downgrades from their excellent service of the past. More on this later.



(The pic's from after landing at NRT, but that's our plane.)

I religiously follow the 3 hour rule when checking in to international flights, so we arrived at JFK for our 12:30PM flight at around 9:15AM. Check-in opened promptly at 9:30 and we were second in line. Since I'm 6'4" tall I asked for an exit row as I always do (one reason for getting there 3 hours early!) and while they didn't have any available, they did offer me a bulkhead. I accepted, and we finished our check-in and headed airside. ANA flies out of terminal 7 at JFK, which I enjoy - it's a small terminal but nonetheless has everything you might need before a flight. This terminal is never crowded whenever I've flown out of it.



Lots of legroom at the bulkhead!

We boarded, seated in the middle section of row 25, which is the front of the mini-cabin just in front of the economy class galley and bathrooms that ANA previously used for premium economy. Nope, no more Y+ in this new configuration! I immediately noticed that the new seats are generally more comfortable than the old. The main difference is that the bottom cushion is basically flat, whereas the old seats "cupped" your butt in a way that got tiresome really fast, and put a lot of pressure on the back of your knees. I always thought that couldn't be very healthy on a long flight and apparently somebody agreed because the new seats are a lot better in this area.

We had the bulkhead on the way out and an exit row on the way back, so I couldn't really test out the upgraded seat pitch. I will say that I still found the slide-forward seats problematic. For one thing, the seat belt doesn't go with you, meaning if you're overly aggressive in "reclining", you will cause yourself some pain. (Yes, I did this several times.) The seat belt requires constant readjustment. I ended up just leaving it very loose all the time, which is not very safe. Also, at least in the exit row/bulkhead where the tray table comes out of the armrest, it's basically impossible to use the table while reclined/slid forward. I'm not sure if this is a problem throughout the rest of the cabin but I would imagine it is, since you're still sliding yourself closer to the table. This is not a problem in traditional seats that recline backward, where you're moving away from the table as you recline.



On the positive side, the new economy seats do have power outlets cabin-wide, as well as USB and iPod connectors. We used the power outlets pretty much constantly for our laptops - this is something all airliners should have - but I'm not really sure what the point of the USB and iPod connectors are. I gather you can connect your iPod and listen to it over the IFE system, though I'm not sure why you'd want to do that. The IFE is another high point on ANA - it's AVOD, and looks very new, though I'm not sure what system it is. The movie selection wasn't great - it was actually better on our flight last year - but I watched Book of Eli. The best part of that movie is Mila Kunis!

On our way to our seats, we couldn't help but also notice the new business class, and we both immediately thought it looked pretty disappointing. Tastes might be different among ANA's base Japanese clientele, but it really seemed like ANA had missed the mark of what business travelers in the USA would want (my wife and I own a business and this was a business trip, so hopefully our next trip will not be in economy). The seats themselves are tiny - no wider than the economy seats. Seat pitch similarly looked very cramped, although the idea is you put your feet under the enclosure that holds the seat (really the side table) in front of you. So there may be more legroom than it seems - at least directly in front of you - but it *looks* very claustrophobic - the seat in front of you is very close. The staggered arrangement means a lot of space is wasted on a large table and storage area to the side - basically the entire width of another seat - that most people probably won't use. Additionally, there are no seats within speaking distance of each other at all, which probably makes for a very quiet cabin but means colleagues traveling together can't easily talk about business matters during the flight. I would not fly business class on ANA for all of these reasons.

The flight left on time and we immediately regretted accepting the bulkhead - we had a crying, screaming baby next to us for literally the entire flight. The flight attendants did their best, in their very Japanese way - repeatedly coming over and nicely asking the parents if everything was ok, offering toys and other help, and even at one point taking the baby to the back of the plane for a while so the parents could get some rest, but it was all pretty much in vain. This was my worst screaming baby experience on a plane ever.



The first meal service was the first area we noticed had been obviously downgraded. There is still a choice between Japanese and western meals, but the amount they serve is smaller (they used to really pile it on) and the quality is not what it used to be. I chose the Japanese selection, which was a seafood noodle dish. My noodles were all gummed up and stuck together, and it was all a pretty unappetizing brown mess.

In between meals, there used to be ice cream and at least a snack served about mid-flight. That's now been cut. Instead, you're now free to order any of the snacks available in business class. This is a neat idea, but the prices are pretty atrocious. 900 yen (about $10) for a bowl of noodles that used to be free, for example. We decided to just eat some of the Doritos we'd brought with us instead. This is not why I fly ANA!



ANA's second meal has always been kind of odd - it's a running joke with us. On our last trip, it was some sort of Korean-style meat and cabbage thing that nobody could really identify and that much of the cabin was audibly laughing about (including the Japanese customers) - and this was breakfast. On this trip, the second meal was a burrito. Yes, a single meat and cheese burrito, with salsa (they described it as "piquant sauce", which I later realized was probably supposed to say "picante sauce"). It reminded me of the burritos you can get out of the freezer aisle at a supermarket for about $4 for a pack of ten.

One thing that's always annoyed me about ANA, even back when their service was better, is how long they make you wait before collecting the meal trays. Literally more than an hour after the first service, and about 45 minutes on the second (and only then because it's just before landing). My first time flying them I thought this was just a fluke, but they've done the same on every flight since, including both flights on this round trip. I guess they figure it's a long flight, may as well let people eat at a leisurely pace. But when I'm done eating, I just want that tray out of my way.

Our flight to Narita landed on time, as usual. I have never been (very) late flying ANA, and while I'm sure that a lot of that's just luck, I do feel that they really strive for punctuality. This is common in Japanese transportation, I've found.





The flight back was basically similar, so I won't go into quite as much detail. We even had another crying baby next to us! It wasn't as bad, though - most of the time the baby was quiet, and overall I'd say it was worth getting the exit row on the return leg. The meals were again a little disappointing compared with what I'm used to on ANA... another very brown "stewed meat" meal for lunch...



And a "continental breakfast" that basically consisted of a piece of cold ham and some cheese. The bread and pre-packaged yogurt were the best parts of the breakfast.



The return flight was actually pretty turbulent and we took an extreme southerly route that made us 20 minutes late (hey, I did say I was never very late flying ANA!), I assume trying to get around some weather. I never saw anything on the external camera but the flight was rarely smooth and it was difficult to get any sleep. By now I'm familiar with JFK's approaches and we took the scenic route - overflying Manhattan at about 10,000 feet before passing the airport and flying out over the ocean for a hard right low-altitude turn to runway 4R. I used to hate this approach, because if you're on that side of the aircraft, all you can see on that final turn is water very close to your window. But this approach was very smooth, despite the near-constant use of air brakes (something that I've noticed is common at ANA; they like to get down quick), and of course we touched down uneventfully.

Overall while I will always sing the praises of Japanese flight attendants and their focus on customer service, and that alone makes flying either Japanese airline worth it, I was pretty disappointed with my trip compared to previous trips on ANA. The free services have obviously been downgraded, and the new seats are a mixed bag. I'll probably keep flying ANA if the price difference isn't too great, but given that their service level isn't really that much different from other Star Alliance members now, price is going to be more of a factor for me than it used to be.

For the record, we flew on JA785 on the way out, and JA784 on the way back, and our flights were June 4 and June 13.

[Edited 2010-06-22 21:06:49]


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User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 24908 times:

Shame about the food that Burrito looks terrible for a breakfast offering on a Trans Pacific flight.

Piquant is how I would spell it, maybe a Euro thing.

Thanks.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24712 times:

I just came out of a ANA 4 days return trip between FRA-NRT-FRA in Y and I must say I was not impressed at all.

I got out of the flight hungry both ways despite my plenty eating before the flight in the LH FRA terminal B Senator lounge and beautiful NRT ANA Suites lounge. I would have starved otherwise the quantities on the flight were so small.

I have seen much much better from ANA in the past. Also the Y seats were incredibly tight comparing with the Singapore Airlines A380 service I am getting used to since the very first day.

I will post more in the next coming days with pictures from my flights.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 24549 times:

Quoting IcLCY (Reply 1):
Piquant is how I would spell it, maybe a Euro thing.

But that doesn't really describe the sauce... "piquant" and "picante" are two different words. It was a mild picante sauce, really. (Ok, for the real purists, I know there's also a difference between salsa and picante!)

Anyway I just chalked it up to a mixup in the translation, which there are a lot of all over Japanese society.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Also the Y seats were incredibly tight comparing with the Singapore Airlines A380 service I am getting used to since the very first day.

I should have mentioned in my post that these planes flying on JFK-NRT are brand new with a new config, so you probably got the old style. I hated those seats with a passion - I only put up with them because everything else about ANA was top notch. That's no longer really the case, though, so I definitely wouldn't put up with those seats anymore.

The new seats are definitely more comfortable, but I do not like the slide-forward design. I do really like the 2-4-3 configuration, which failing getting an exit row, means my wife and I can travel together in our own row.

[Edited 2010-06-23 11:20:46]


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User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 24299 times:
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Thanks for posting, we don't see too many ANA TR's and certainly not on this route.

The description and pictures of the meals sure look like ANA has hit the cost cutting button in a big way, shame, I have always found them to be a quality airline, at least in J - would be interesting to see of J has also seen some cuts.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineBoeingnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 24272 times:

I took the same flights on 5/31 and 6/17. We couldn't get an exit row or bulkhead nor a pair of seats on the left side of the plane (2-4-3).

The food was pretty good on our flights, save for the quantity (as stated by OP). IFE was great with the larger screens (especially compared to the smaller screens on the 767 flights on ANA after NRT).

I can vouch for the legroom on the flights (even though I am a very average 5'10"). The newer seats definitely made for a more comfortable flight than typical 31"-32" pitches found on other carriers. I also fell victim to pinching from the seatbelts, but later found a happy medium between cutting off circulation and having essentially no belt.

Just for the level of service (flight attendants were constantly up and down the aisles with soft drinks), more comfortable seats, more legroom, and punctuality, I think I've found my new carrier to Asia.


User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1239 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24033 times:

I see no desert from Tokyo back to US.
I am sure the meals on AA are better.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 23983 times:

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 6):
I see no desert from Tokyo back to US.

I don't remember there ever being actual desserts on ANA. The Japanese generally don't eat them. (They'll eat sweet things separately from meals, but not as part of them.)

Like I said, though, they did used to go around with a cup of Haagen Dazs ice cream for everyone shortly after the meal, but that's now 300 yen extra.



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1960 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23690 times:
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Good report! Interesting to read about ANA an airline you don't hear about too often!

Quoting spacecadet (Thread starter):
In between meals, there used to be ice cream and at least a snack served about mid-flight. That's now been cut. Instead, you're now free to order any of the snacks available in business class. This is a neat idea, but the prices are pretty atrocious. 900 yen (about $10) for a bowl of noodles that used to be free, for example. We decided to just eat some of the Doritos we'd brought with us instead. This is not why I fly ANA!

Buying meals from Business Class? Never heard this before! Too bad the food was not that great on such a long flight!

767747


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 23278 times:

Quoting 767747 (Reply 8):
Buying meals from Business Class? Never heard this before!

It's kind of interesting - I just looked it up a bit further because I was about to say you can only buy the snacks, but yeah, apparently you can actually buy the full business class meal in lieu of the standard economy meal. It's like $90, though, which is just crazy. Imagine going to a really nice restaurant in New York and it doesn't cost anywhere near that much, and there's no way the business class meal on ANA is anywhere near that good anyway.

Here is the menu for the snacks you can buy - these are all free in business class: http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/int/promoti...pdf/ANAmychoice_leaflet_201006.pdf

If they fed you enough to begin with, I'd say "wow, this is great, look at all this extra food you can get, it's like a flying restaurant!" But with about 10 hours in between meals, and no snack at all in between, and then only a single burrito or literally one slice of ham and cheese and a piece of bread as the second meal, they're basically forcing you to either buy one of these snacks, or bring your own. And they used to give you two of these items for free. So it's really just an extra fee unless you want to starve yourself.

The more I think and write about it, the more ridiculous I think it is. I used to fly them in part because of how much food they gave us! And now it's probably the weakest part of their entire service. I can't believe it's not going to cost them customers in the long run, and end up costing more than they'll save. Is it worth giving up a $1,500 fare over a cup of ice cream and a bowl of noodles that probably costs them $1.50 in total?



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23122 times:

Hi,
thanks for this interesting read on ANA.

Quoting spacecadet (Thread starter):
they did offer me a bulkhead. I accepted,
Quoting spacecadet (Thread starter):
The flight left on time and we immediately regretted accepting the bulkhead - we had a crying, screaming baby next to us for literally the entire flight.

Yes, that's the other side of the story. Bulkhead seats are with baby bassinets. So chances are quite high to get some parents there with babies. Usually Japanese people care a lot and do everything to keep them quiet though 
Quoting spacecadet (Thread starter):
The return flight was actually pretty turbulent and we took an extreme southerly route that made us 20 minutes late

How do you know this delay is caused by the route. I'm sure it's not!
Most probably negative windfactors on this direction of flight, causing delay. More notherly routes had probably even more stronger headwinds, making flighttime even longer then you had.
Wind can play a major role on such longhauls, over 1 to 2 hours in flighttime can be generated just by upper winds.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 22839 times:

I made a nice little video of the take off from my seat and uploaded it on youtube.

You will notice my big SQ Girl. She was the reason for the clip. It reminded me of our laning at NRT on board the very first commercial A380 flight to NRT after being rerouted to NGO because of a typhoon and finally taken back to NRT for "the" landing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYA3GwbUbKk

  



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User currently offlinesutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 21570 times:

Thanks for your trip report!!

It would be nice if someone can post the cabin photos for its special 2-4-3 setting ^^


User currently offlinecx777fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21492 times:

Great report. Thanks. NH in flight catering and introduction of BoB on long haul sectors sounds utterly disapointing though for a reputedly high-tier, full service airline.

User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20914 times:

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 12):
It would be nice if someone can post the cabin photos for its special 2-4-3 setting ^^

Yeah, I wanted to get some cabin shots but outbound we were in the little mini-cabin - not very photogenic - and inbound we were the last to board and in the front (ANA really does enforce boarding from back to front), so I would have gotten about a million people in the seats (including their faces) when we boarded. And leaving was the same - I guess we could have sat there and waited until it was empty, but it's a 13 hour flight and I wanted off!

ANA has a Flash animation accessible from this page that has a cabin view: http://www.ana.co.jp/int/svc/en/seat/index_y.html

Although they seem to have intentionally avoided showing any angles that show the 2-4-3 configuration, maybe to hedge their bets in case they ever wanted to switch back to 3-3-3.



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User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19884 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 7):
I don't remember there ever being actual desserts on ANA. The Japanese generally don't eat them. (They'll eat sweet things separately from meals, but not as part of them.)

Maybe only you have never flown NH beyond NRT !

There are indeed deserts for intra asia flights with NH, like NRT-HKG, there is a cup of Japanese pudding with the Y meal, though it is one direction only from NRT.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
How do you know this delay is caused by the route. I'm sure it's not!
Most probably negative windfactors on this direction of flight, causing delay. More notherly routes had probably even more stronger headwinds, making flighttime even longer then you had.
Wind can play a major role on such longhauls, over 1 to 2 hours in flighttime can be generated just by upper winds

Because the earth is round like a sphere, so the shortest distance is actually to fly up north, usually along the aleutian islands, thru Seattle / Vancouver, then head south after it pass Chicago.

Eastbound flight rarely have to deal with any headwinds, if you know some geography, winds blow from west to east, so the major factor is to see if there are enough tailwinds or not.


User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 18145 times:

Wow, thanks a lot for posting this. I'd been quite curious to hear about ANA's new product.

That said, I am a bit dissapointed with the recent changes to the economy product, I'm OK with selling upgraded snacks, especially if they're as tasty as the tonkatsu sandwich they once had (although the 90 dollar biz meal is a ripoff) , but if it's at the cost of of a greatly diminished basic service?? What happened to the airline that gave me this as a pre-arrival meal :



or this breakfast...



Do they still pass by the cabin with baskets of wine and champagne?? That used to be one of the highlights of flying NH, even if most passengers didn't want any, the sight of the smiling flight attendant with a basket of snacks and wine, it just screamed abbondanzza !!  

I wonder if they'll bring back Y Plus once the seat manufacturer woes are done with? Seems weird that they'd give up on it.

Thanks again for posting


User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15724 times:

no. They do not pass thru the cabin with wine/ champagne. They do, however, pass thru with water, juices and tea periodically.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 14008 times:

Quite enjoyable report about ANA's transpacific service. I agree with others here that the catering is disappointing. I'd still like to try NH on a long-haul route.


PH



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User currently offlineRui777 From Portugal, joined May 2010, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Did a MUC-NRT-LHR last month and will have to agree with some of the previous posters concerning the meal service. The food on my flights was poor and the serving was quite small (and I´m not even a "heavy eater"). Very disappointed with it and confirmed my suspicions that the new food service was a downgrade. Fortunately I had brought some snacks and food with me.

FA´s service was, in general, good and what a person would expect from a service-oriented country as Japan is (although some of the FAs on the NRT to LHR flight felt a bit distant and unnatentive).

I did like the new seats, especially the screens and IFE.


User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

I actually have a long medley trip report from ANA, concentrated on food (before the ins. of jap. era)
You all can have a look and compare.

http://www.hflight.net/forum/m-1188832881/s-0/

I hope ANA listens to all the complains about the food (let alone the seat pitch).
Come on, their fare isn't that cheap like Air Asia X or JetStar, they can't just sell other things apart from Duty free items.

Please, don't show sign of struggle to passenger, you will just lose more of them.

nethkt



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