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BA On Strike Or My First Time At LGW  
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24599 times:

BA on strike or my first time at LGW

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Hello, dear readers,

my first time at LGW, is this really true?.
Definitely with all other London airports and some more in the log, this will be my first flight out of LGW today. But not without any hassles thanx to BA.

Some very few hours at home, after arrival from Bosnia

Bosnia/Sarajevo On Croatia Airlines (by FLIEGER67 Jul 2 2010 in Trip Reports)

I´am ready, really?. Ok, let me say, I´am at least on the way to catch the last 4 of 20 legs around these heavy travel week.

Well, the nice guys at BA.
"Individual calls will be not responded, we contact every passenger prior to the booked flights".
So far, so good, but with my personal travel experience, I will go and check other options around one week prior to my flight. BA announces clearly on it´s website that my date is one of the strike dates.
What about an exotic sublease, EuroAtlantic, Titan, Astraeus, Jet2?.
I´am holding some miles on my frequent flyer account´s for such cases.
A nice surprise that Flying Blue shows a 10000 miles special offer for my date STR-AMS-LHR,
arrival is sometimes later than on the direct BA service originally done, but it seems possible.
It is also ok with FB award tickets to cancel it on short notice and restore the miles on you´re account. I fix it within seconds.
Well, we know, the nice guys at BA, no call or contact at all and while checking the website
at Thursday and Friday night my booking is completely gone, the reservation code is not longer accepted. The money is back on my credit card account some two weeks later.
So, my cellphone calls me at Sunday morning 4.15 am not for BA´s service at 07.00 am,
no it is KL to fill the gap today.





Sunday, 30.05.2010


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Service KLM KL 1866 operated by KLM Cityhopper
Scheduled: 06.55 // 08.20




At the airport at around 6.15 am, ten minutes prior to boarding.
No time to wait at security, rain here with 11 degrees.
OLCI works perfect for me at KL´s website, seat 16A, the right location between the wing and the engine on the Fokker 70, two for me here again.
Tax for the flight to AMS is some 40,00 Euro´s.
The plane is at the gate, nightstop at STR
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No sign of a delay close to boarding for my flight from gate 316
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Boarding start´s seconds after my picture, well ontime.
This is the scheduled Fokker 70 here, PH-KZA, spend it´s whole life with Cityhopper, delivery date 07.02.1996, one of 26 in the fleet.
Leg no. 7 for me on type and a new registration.
One male, one female in the cabin. A super friendly welcome here.
Germany wins the European song contest during the night and it seems the staff watches the show.
Me as the last pax to board, been at the planes door when the male purser welcomes us with
nice congrats to the winner´s country and want to show us her name.
And the winner is, the winner is Lena, but what the heck is her full name?.
I´am also not sure, but another female pax helps out and so he´s greeting us with the full name and also the title of the song,
Satellite.
Really nice.
The cabin fitted with the comfortable oldfashioned fabric seats, well used, but clean.
The legroom is ok and it is very noisy, it seems more than on my last flight on this type.
The load is some 80%.
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The cabin ceiling
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The safety card
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It is 06.50 am, close to ontime, departure from the 3345 meters runway 25, the duration is 1 hour and 5 minutes, the route above FRA and the flightlevel is 33000 feet.
Very detailed informations from the dutch pilot close to approach for AMS.
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Service is also real good, coffee and tea coming twice on this short hop.
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Touchdown on the 3300 meters runway 18C at 08.05 am, 15 minutes ahead to schedule.
Weather at AMS looks not that really better, 13 degrees and also rain.
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Apron parking
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Bye-Bye to PH-KZA
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By bus to the terminal
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Service KL 1009 operated by KLM
Scheduled 10.20 // 10.45


What about the Boeing 737-900, something new for my log?.
KL changes equipment often on the 737 routes.
In the temrinal up the stairs looking for a nice place to rest till my next flight.
It seems ontime, again some 40.-- Euro´s taxes for this leg.
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Should I go to the gate?. No way, with this nice place in the central area, calm, comfortable and good views to the apron
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An Airbus A330 closeby
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And also the MD11 is still in service here and hopefully also in August
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Not the wise decision this time. Boarding is printed pretty early at 09.30 am for the 10.20 service.
When I´am back at passport control for the non-Schengen flights its nearly impossible to see the control stations itself, thousands of people queuing there, so it feels.
And with no real order between European and non European passport desks it´s a real mess here.
Border police picks up some not that standard looking people out of the queues for random checks, not that they are amused at all.
More than twenty minutes to wait here and boarding time is finally gone when I´am close to my gate.
The plane is here, boarding has not started yet
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That´s a 737-800, so it looks like
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It is PH-BXC, indeed a 737-800, in service with KL since 30.06.1999 and it´s name is "Grouse/Koerhoen".
One of 21 in the KL fleet.
A new reg. for me and leg no. 49 on type.
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Extra security takes place at the gate entrance, me, waiting for no more other pax infront and also this time
I´am one of the last to board from gate D41.
OLCI shows row 30 as the last one, me on 30F, thats indeed the last row, the aisle is occupied by a african woman, but the middle seat remains free.
Not bad with a load close to 100% and a good number of pax on rebookings from BA,
there are also standby pax at the gate.
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Dark blue fabric seats in the cabin, clean, but lower legroom than on the F70
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My seat
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The safety card shows also the missing 737-900
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Departure is from the 3500 meters runway 24, it is 10.20 am, ontime, rain and the temperature is 13 degrees.
Three female and two male FA´s here, ok but not that nice like on the earlier flight.
Cockpit crew is from the Netherlands, detailed informations from the pilot short after departure.
The whole flight is shaky with the seatbelt sign mostly on, duration is 50 minutes only and the flightlevel is 24000 feet.
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Above the water
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Service is free snacks and drinks.
And some circles close to the city as usual in London.
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A very nice approach, like a sightseeing flight
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Major sights here in one picture
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City attractions
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Touchdown on the 3901 meters runway 27R at 10.20 am, 25 minutes early, exactly my departure time at AMS, but with 1 hour time difference.
It is now 11.20 am in AMS.
Cloudy sky and 17 degrees.
QF superheavy here at LHR
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And Virgin superlong
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EuroAtlantic subs BA
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On the runway
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Boarding for the next flight is printed at 1.30 pm, that means now some three hours to connect for LGW, sounds possible, isn´t it.
BA´s arrival time on the nonstop service is instead 07.50 am.
I decide not for any local train experiments today and book the Heathrow express instead for
some 16.00 pounds to Paddington.
One connection at Heathrow central needs more time than expected and in the city at 11.30 am.
Lost 4 pounds for tubing and also that need much more time than expected with lots of people around this sunday late morning.
Finally arrival Victoria station at around 12.15 am.
Catching the next Gatwick express train, done für some 15.00 pounds
and finally at LGW close to 1 pm, not that early as expected but nevertheless early enough.




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Service BE 1005 operated by Flybe
Scheduled: 14.00 // 16.30


It´s Flybe, that will deliver me to DUS, but first my impressions from LGW.
The board with my flight ontime, so it seems
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A strange security system here, while waiting for one check station it is closing and they send us around the corner for another station.
How I dislike these non frequent vacationeers while I´am running out of time.
A couple with two children and also grandpa and mum in front, it need ages till they´re trough,
also shoes out for him, not for me.
In the big shopping area some minutes later, less nice views to the apron, but close to my gate 92 its better.
Afriqiyah to Tripolis and Viking from Sweden
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TAP and a Virgin Jumbo
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The whole apron with the nice bridge in the back
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A better view to the bridge
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Booking for this flight is done via Flybe´s website directly, some 60.00 Euro´s.
They offer OLCI, but as mentioned by some other´s before, it is only possible to fix a seat during
earlier payable reservation.
So it´s, as ever possible, my choice to check-in at the airport kiosks.
Not today, with my short time between the airports, I check-in online and no question receive a
aisle seat.
I hope for some better seating in the plane, but with that huge number of pax around the gate, it seems not that really possible.
Boarding by bus here is some minutes late, well you need a bus for bus boarding isn´t it?.
Looks like something new for the staff here, a long wait till a bus arrive.
A first view to my plane from the bus
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It is G-ECOO, the scheduled Dash 8-400, in service with Flybe since 30.01.2009.
Flybe operates actually 53 machines on type and this is my flight no. 11 on the Dash 8/400,
a new registration for my log.
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Something patched on the planes bodie
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And my favourite view under the wing
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Bright blue leather seats in the cabin, clean so far, the legroom is ok.
The cabin ceiling
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Two standard friendly female FA´s here, nothing special.
The safety card
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Cockpit crew is from the UK, the captain with a friendly welcome during boarding.
It´s 2.05 pm local, close to ontime, the sky is partly cloudy and the temperature is 18 degrees.
Departure from the 3316 meters runway 26L for the duration of 1 hour 05 minutes to DUS.
The load is close to 100%, thats it so far with my seat change options.
10B is my place for this flight.
Service is BOB.
The FO is on the speakers short during approach with the latest weather informations.
Well, the weather, low clouds, heavy rain and 15 degrees only.
Touchdown is nevertheless ok at 4.15 pm, 15 minutes ahead to schedule on the 3000 meters runway 23L.
Apron deboarding and by bus to the terminal.




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Service Lufthansa LH 906 operated by Contact Air
Scheduled: 18.50 // 19.50



It isn´t possible to change for the A gates in the secured area,
so some meters to walk after passport check through the terminal.
No time to wait at security for LH´s gate area.
Not the real comfortable place here, from my point of view.
There are no vending machines for something to drink, there is no shop beside that
newspaper shop.
Two restaurants/bars only, so when you want something to drink you need to join one of these expensive bars.
Booking is done here with Expedia, the best offer for this flight, some 70.-- Euro´s.
Surprise, it seems my plane is at the gate A80
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It is D-AFKB in Star colours, the scheduled Fokker 100, in service with Merpati from 03.12.1994.
To South America with TAM from 01.07.1998 and back to Asia with Mandarin at 01.07.2004.
Now it´s time to go for Europe, joining the KL Cityhopper fleet at 09.07.2008 and with Contact Air since 17.03.2009.
One of 8 planes on type in the Contact fleet, the newest example.
Leg no. 14 for me with the F100 and a new registration.
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Condor is leading the delay board, 15 hours only to Tenerife
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Ah, the integrated stairs again
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The oldfashioned cabin ceiling
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Seat 17A, I secure it during OLCI, two for me here.
The goodlooking magazine
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Comfortable new style, hard leather seaters, the cabin looks like freshly refurbished.
Real good legroom, he load is some 60%
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The german captain with a very friendly welcome during boarding.
The weather does not improve, heavy thunderstorm clouds coming in, we´re heading very slowly to the active, 23L again.
This is not the day for the angry flyers here, during our wait at the runway entrance we see three
very low level go arounds, one plane a Cityline CRJ 7 is still touching down with the main undercarriage and departed finally again.
An AB/LGW Dash 8 and also an WDL BAE 146 coming in fast and going around.
To much water on the runway?.
Then it is our time at 6.55 pm, close to ontime, the temperature is 13 degrees and we´re going really fast to rush through the clouds.
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The duration is 45 minutes only.
Two female FA´s here, ok so far.
It looks like nothing special from above
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The also german FO is on the speakers short after departure, he explains the situation during our departure very detailed.
There is no service inflight due to expected turbulences.
It is finally nothing really special, some shakers at all.
The whole flight is with curves around the heavy cloud tops
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Also clouds above STR
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Arrival at 8.10 pm,
runway 25,
that means a 20 minutes delay, the sky is cloudy, but at least no thunderstorm or rain here, with 15 degrees.
A finger gate is ready for us
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Quickly out in the public to catch my car back home.
The last of 20 flights this week in the log!

LGW is still interesting for me, maybe another visit coming up.

Now it is close to three weeks without flying till a trip to Denmark is on the schedule.

"Two A.netters but no more Wings of Bornholm",

coming up soon.

Anyone on Facebook?.
"Markus Klaus Felger", that´s me.
If someone want´s to see me on the friends list, send me an invitation.

Comments welcome
Markus (FLIEGER67)


Next: London City connections!.
24 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24550 times:

Hi Markus,

finally something to read from our German traveller again! Waited for this story.

Good score, 4 new regs on the trip! Well done. And again some new Fokkers for your log as well, especially the F70 not easy to catch. Sorry to hear that you didn't get the -900 to LHR. As said, they shuffle subtypes a lot around their network, sending them where really needed. Clever operations here by KLM, the way to make good money!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
It is also ok with FB award tickets to cancel it on short notice and restore the miles on you´re account. I fix it within seconds.

Not for the 10,000 miles tix usually, you've to take the flex-awards then?! Usually from 20,000 miles. So I guess your cancellation fee would've been 45 Euro's here, in case you had to do so?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
This is not the day for the angry flyers here, during our wait at the runway entrance we see three very low level go arounds, one plane a Cityline CRJ 7 is still touching down with the main undercarriage and departed finally again.
An AB/LGW Dash 8 and also an WDL BAE 146 coming in fast and going around.
To much water on the runway?.

Can be indeed. It's a factor, a max cross wind component together with runway surface condition. If you really have water on the runway, you can't have nearly any crosswind. It makes a dangerous situation. Probably the runway was not 'water' but very wet for the authorities, and crew decided the other way at their decision altitude, to go around. Interesting to follow such activity, especially for the 'not knowing pax' on board. It's quite fun also!

Waiting for your Bornholm-experience!

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27126 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24294 times:

Hey Markus,
Great report and nice photos as usual. One question why did you not just get the non stop bus from LHR to LGW which takes an hour and costs much less? Maybe I missed something.


Philip


User currently offlineAI151 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 303 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 24285 times:

Hi Markus, yet another interesting read from your flights.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Definitely with all other London airports and some more in the log, this will be my first flight out of LGW today. But not without any hassles thanx to BA

These days flying with BA will normally always include the word 'hassle' for some reason or another.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
A very nice approach, like a sightseeing flight

Probably the only good thing for me when I fly home is coming in over London on a clear day banking right over the Docklands and over central London. Always good for photos/

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Finally arrival Victoria station at around 12.15 am.
Catching the next Gatwick express train

If I had known you were there I would have said 'hi' as that's where I work!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Now it is close to three weeks without flying till a trip to Denmark is on the schedule.

How will you cope without flying for 3 weeks?! LOL!

Sandeep (AI151)



Modern Vision. Timeless Traditions...
User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24257 times:

Hi Markus!

What a nice little read to spice up this miserable day - I'm currently in Edinburgh and it is pouring outside so I'm wasting my time at a netcafe.. Reading this was definitely a nice way to spend some of that time!

Anyway looks like a nice little daytrip, that BA cancellation sure gave you some additional hassle, but looks like you made the best out of it with that offer from KL...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
my first time at LGW, is this really true?.

There's a first time for everything! Glad that you finally managed it after some canceled trips I remember you telling me about..

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
What about an exotic sublease, EuroAtlantic, Titan, Astraeus, Jet2?.

Don't forget Air Finland, also featured in one of your LHR pictures! But yes, would definitely be a great catch to fly on one of these, but well, you shouldn't risk your connections in and case.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
I´am holding some miles on my frequent flyer account´s for such cases.

Me too, me too, on some occasions it has saved me lots of money and hassle. Too bad I've been too much on a spending mode lately, the coffer is running dry!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The money is back on my credit card account some two weeks later.

Whoa, that's impressive! I'm still waiting for some refunds from BT from the volcanic ash times, I think I will file a dispute with my bank as they kepp making empty promises...

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Tax for the flight to AMS is some 40,00 Euro´s.

You know, that's not really tax at all. More than half of that amount is fuel surcharges, which are pure revenue for the airline and will not go to any governemental coffers.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
When I´am back at passport control for the non-Schengen flights its nearly impossible to see the control stations itself, thousands of people queuing there, so it feels.

My experience at Schiphol confirms this. Once I was transferring there from the UK to Schengen and the queues to the transfer passport control were so long that I actually entered Netherlands via the proper passport control where there were NO queues at all and did it that way instead. Nice and easy, plus the immigration officer spoke some Finnish  
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Boarding for the next flight is printed at 1.30 pm, that means now some three hours to connect for LGW, sounds possible, isn´t it.
I decide not for any local train experiments today and book the Heathrow express instead for
some 16.00 pounds to Paddington.

Ouch! That sounds tight, glad you made it! Isn't there a special transfer bus along the M25 between the two airports, that should've been cheaper and probably just as fast on a Sunday? I've spent less money on many flights than what you spent on your LHR-LGW transfer..!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
They offer OLCI, but as mentioned by some other´s before, it is only possible to fix a seat during
earlier payable reservation.
So it´s, as ever possible, my choice to check-in at the airport kiosks.
Not today, with my short time between the airports, I check-in online and no question receive a
aisle seat.

Yep, that's something I really dislike about BE. At least all the planes have 2-2 seating so you don't risk getting stuck on a middle seat - I can take the occasional aisle seat even though that means no photography but am allergic to middle seats!

Well, the business man part of me actually likes this idea, it probably is a nice little source of extra revenue for the airline.


Keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing the other side of the Bornholm story from Eric's.


User currently offlineegilsml From Norway, joined Feb 2007, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23717 times:

Hi Markus
I always look for your trip-reports when i am visiting the trip report forum and bang. Another great one  
Thank's for flying and sharing your experience with all us at Airliners.net

Egilsml
Alta, Norway


User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 23536 times:

Hi Markus,

Great story once again. Good to read that you found an alternative for your cancelled BA-flight at a reasonable price.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
my first time at LGW, is this really true?.
Definitely with all other London airports and some more in the log, this will be my first flight out of LGW today.

I know the problem; LGW is still missing in my log as well, having only been to LHR, LCY and STN. There are somehow no convenient options to reach LGW from Southern Germany, but the FlyBE servive to DUS sounds like a good idea.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Well, we know, the nice guys at BA, no call or contact at all and while checking the website
at Thursday and Friday night my booking is completely gone, the reservation code is not longer accepted.

Not the best service indeed. At least they paid back your money quickly.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
A very nice approach, like a sightseeing flight

The approach into LHR is my favorite - very nice views to the city centre if landing takes place from the East. A seat on the right is essential, though.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 23199 times:

Hey, good to see some comments.


@Eric:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):

finally something to read from our German traveller again! Waited for this story.

Good score, 4 new regs on the trip! Well done. And again some new Fokkers for your log as well, especially the F70 not easy to catch.

Thank you.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
Sorry to hear that you didn't get the -900 to LHR. As said, they shuffle subtypes a lot around their network, sending them where really needed. Clever operations here by KLM, the way to make good money!

Good point economic wise, but not easy for us to catch the preffered plane.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
Not for the 10,000 miles tix usually, you've to take the flex-awards then?! Usually from 20,000 miles. So I guess your cancellation fee would've been 45 Euro's here, in case you had to do so?

Thanx for the info.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
Can be indeed. It's a factor, a max cross wind component together with runway surface condition. If you really have water on the runway, you can't have nearly any crosswind. It makes a dangerous situation. Probably the runway was not 'water' but very wet for the authorities, and crew decided the other way at their decision altitude, to go around. Interesting to follow such activity, especially for the 'not knowing pax' on board. It's quite fun also!

For sure interesting, but not that funny for all the pax, especially the girl in the seat behind me, seems not amused.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 1):
Waiting for your Bornholm-experience!

Coming up soon.


@Phil:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 2):
Great report and nice photos as usual.

Thank you.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 2):
One question why did you not just get the non stop bus from LHR to LGW which takes an hour and costs much less? Maybe I missed something.

Good point, the bus is not my favourite, so better for me to take the train.


@Sandeep:

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
Hi Markus, yet another interesting read from your flights.

Thank you.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
These days flying with BA will normally always include the word 'hassle' for some reason or another.

Like some other airlines, too.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
Probably the only good thing for me when I fly home is coming in over London on a clear day banking right over the Docklands and over central London. Always good for photos/

A 100% agreement.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
If I had known you were there I would have said 'hi' as that's where I work!

Will do so, the next time.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 3):
How will you cope without flying for 3 weeks?! LOL!

Hard, but what should we do!.


@P.:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
What a nice little read to spice up this miserable day - I'm currently in Edinburgh and it is pouring outside so I'm wasting my time at a netcafe.. Reading this was definitely a nice way to spend some of that time!

Thank you.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Anyway looks like a nice little daytrip, that BA cancellation sure gave you some additional hassle, but looks like you made the best out of it with that offer from KL...

KL fills the gap perfectly.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
There's a first time for everything! Glad that you finally managed it after some canceled trips I remember you telling me about..

It was finally attempt no. 3, you know.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Don't forget Air Finland, also featured in one of your LHR pictures! But yes, would definitely be a great catch to fly on one of these, but well, you shouldn't risk your connections in and case.

For sure, it is.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Me too, me too, on some occasions it has saved me lots of money and hassle. Too bad I've been too much on a spending mode lately, the coffer is running dry!

Some more flights and it will coming up soon again.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Whoa, that's impressive! I'm still waiting for some refunds from BT from the volcanic ash times, I think I will file a dispute with my bank as they kepp making empty promises...

Still waiting here for LH and Meridiana money.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
You know, that's not really tax at all. More than half of that amount is fuel surcharges, which are pure revenue for the airline and will not go to any governemental coffers.

Good point.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
My experience at Schiphol confirms this. Once I was transferring there from the UK to Schengen and the queues to the transfer passport control were so long that I actually entered Netherlands via the proper passport control where there were NO queues at all and did it that way instead. Nice and easy, plus the immigration officer spoke some Finnish

Good idea, will try it the next time.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Yep, that's something I really dislike about BE. At least all the planes have 2-2 seating so you don't risk getting stuck on a middle seat - I can take the occasional aisle seat even though that means no photography but am allergic to middle seats!

Well, the business man part of me actually likes this idea, it probably is a nice little source of extra revenue for the airline.

Me, too, no middle seat in every possible way.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 4):
Keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing the other side of the Bornholm story from Eric's.

Coming up soon.

@Egil:

Quoting egilsml (Reply 5):
I always look for your trip-reports when i am visiting the trip report forum and bang. Another great one
Thank's for flying and sharing your experience with all us at Airliners.net

Thank you and welcome on FB.

@Christoph:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 6):
Great story once again. Good to read that you found an alternative for your cancelled BA-flight at a reasonable price.

Lucky me, this time.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 6):
I know the problem; LGW is still missing in my log as well, having only been to LHR, LCY and STN. There are somehow no convenient options to reach LGW from Southern Germany, but the FlyBE servive to DUS sounds like a good idea.

And DUS is also easy to connect with the LH/AB competition from our home base.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 6):
Not the best service indeed. At least they paid back your money quickly.

Good point.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 6):
The approach into LHR is my favorite - very nice views to the city centre if landing takes place from the East. A seat on the right is essential, though.

Me, too.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 23036 times:

Great report, at least the strike made for a slightly more interesting itenerary!!

Just one thing:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Something patched on the planes bodie

That's present on all Q400's. Its reinforcement for the fuselage for when ice is spun off the props.



Gale force fog... don't you love it?
User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 22724 times:

Hi Markus,

Nice to see your next TR online, that sure was a busy week you had.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Well, we know, the nice guys at BA, no call or contact at all and while checking the website
at Thursday and Friday night my booking is completely gone, the reservation code is not longer accepted.

Really not acceptable. Yes, the strikes were publicised, but you still wonder what the non-frequent flyers do in a case like this. At least they refunded you promptly.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
male purser welcomes us with
nice congrats to the winner´s country and want to show us her name

What a nice touch!

Fantastic shots of London from above, seems familiar.....

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
also shoes out for him, not for me.

hmm, also sounds familiar  

Over £30 in total to get from LHR to LGW, that's what I call expensive.

Too bad about the aisle seat on flybe.

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22537 times:

Hey, nice to see more comments.

@JER757:

Quoting JER757 (Reply 8):

Great report, at least the strike made for a slightly more interesting itenerary!!

Thank you.

Quoting JER757 (Reply 8):
That's present on all Q400's. Its reinforcement for the fuselage for when ice is spun off the props.

Good to know, saw it also on my latest BE flight.

@Hannah:

Quoting infodesk (Reply 9):
Nice to see your next TR online, that sure was a busy week you had.

Thank you.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 9):
Really not acceptable. Yes, the strikes were publicised, but you still wonder what the non-frequent flyers do in a case like this. At least they refunded you promptly.

Also my opinion.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 9):
Fantastic shots of London from above, seems familiar.....

Like to see more pictures this way, you know.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 9):
hmm, also sounds familiar

 
Quoting infodesk (Reply 9):
Too bad about the aisle seat on flybe.

Window last row the next time for me.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22284 times:

Hi Markus,

sorry to hear about your BA experience. Working for a tour operator I must say that in my opinion BA did very well during the strike period. Updates in their websites were constant and they exactly said on which date the schedule would have been released for a certain travel period. Passengers could then check online if the flight would operate or not and see if a subcharter would have been used, and which one.

Some of our passengers flight were affected and I was able to reach someone from BA in Germany (I guess their Germany callcenter is near Bremen) in no long waiting time and they rebooked our passengers right away on the phone and reissued tickets, even on other alliances. We had passengers from VIE to LHR which were rebooked on LX via GVA, other with LH via FRA, and passengers from BCN to LHR rebooked on SN via BRU. I just told them what we need (since they needed to reach cruise ships schedule was an important issue) and that's it. On SN they even rebooked on a class with complimentary food/drinks.

Too bad to see that in your specific case it went not so good and that you had to burn miles for something BA would have given you for free...


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22075 times:

Hey, Reifel,

good to follow you´re feedback.

It seems, I´am not on the high preference list there with BA.
A one-way only at the cheapest booking class.

Some relatives heading back from the States gone also rebooked on AF via CDG to STR, not that they are really amused with it.
Well, the standard pax, you know!.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21804 times:

Markus,

Thanks a lot for the report and for your "interesting" experience. Let me clarify something ... because I can't believe this ... they canceled your flight, and then just canceled your ticket without checking with you or offering options?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21395 times:

Hi Markus
Thank you for another nice trip report it is
a very nice way to conclude a Monday that had been tiresome.
Just a question though, did you like flying on the F70, I have mixed feelings about that plane. I took it or a trip : VIE-TXL-VIE on OS anfd VO which was nice, loved the leaether seats the sound was just bearable. The return flight to ATH on OS was also on a Fokker F70, and here the experience turned into a nightmare, the plane was just too noisy since it was a red eye flight, i could not close my eyes for a sec. If the F70 is good for short sectors, it is excruciating for 2hrs+ flight.
I wonder how passengers are feeling on a CRJ/ERJ


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21350 times:

Hey, nice to see more comments.

@Alex:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 13):
Thanks a lot for the report and for your "interesting" experience. Let me clarify something ... because I can't believe this ... they canceled your flight, and then just canceled your ticket without checking with you or offering options?

Thank you for reading and you´re comment.
That´s the point with BA, both the german and the english helpline not contactable during several attempts, always the
message like in my report. No mail response.
And while the reservation code was in the system till Wednesday, it was gone from Thursday,
no further contact and the money back on my account some two weeks later.

@K.:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 14):
Thank you for another nice trip report it is
a very nice way to conclude a Monday that had been tiresome.

Thank you, warm welcomed but not so nice to read about you´re hard Monday.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 14):
Just a question though, did you like flying on the F70, I have mixed feelings about that plane.

Absolutely ok for the shorter routes, around one hour, not that really nice on longer flights, for example, I remember VIE-SOF
in a middle seat after gone rebooked from a cancelled LH leg.
Noisy thats the point, especially during red-eye flights.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2174 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21222 times:

Hi Markus
Thanks for posting another excellent report. Im flying to LHR in a few weeks & your pics from there raised the excitement levels a bit. In one of your approach pics I can see the park where I usually spend an hour or two relaxing watching the 27 arrivals when im over for a weekend.


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21092 times:

Hi Markus,

It looks like many of us A.netters visiting LHR T4 this summer. Again another great report of yours. How nice you have caught another new registration on each aircraft type.

Somehow I like Contact Air F100 more than others. Nice interior and beautiful safety card.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
Should I go to the gate?. No way, with this nice place in the central area, calm, comfortable and good views to the apron

Hey, that's a nice spot. Why did I miss it everytime I went to Schiphol?

Thanks for sharing and looking forward to your Denmark experience.

Cheers,
Suryo



Friends forever
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20833 times:

Hi, Mark and Suryo and good to see you´re feedback.

@Mark:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 16):
Thanks for posting another excellent report.

Thank you.

Quoting eicvd (Reply 16):
Im flying to LHR in a few weeks & your pics from there raised the excitement levels a bit. In one of your approach pics I can see the park where I usually spend an hour or two relaxing watching the 27 arrivals when im over for a weekend.

Hey, good to know, show us some pictures later on.

@Suryo:

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
It looks like many of us A.netters visiting LHR T4 this summer. Again another great report of yours. How nice you have caught another new registration on each aircraft type.

Thank you.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Somehow I like Contact Air F100 more than others. Nice interior and beautiful safety card.

Me, too, these example looks really fresh inside.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Hey, that's a nice spot. Why did I miss it everytime I went to Schiphol?

It seems I was lucky there.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 17):
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to your Denmark experience

Coming up soon.

Have you done the CDG-LHR-CDG yesterday or do you also changed you´re flights?.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20820 times:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 18):
Have you done the CDG-LHR-CDG yesterday or do you also changed you´re flights?.

I did not change my flights and have indeed done the CDG-LHR-CDG. A report will be coming up soon.



Friends forever
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20596 times:

Hey, Suyro

Quoting akhmad (Reply 19):
I did not change my flights and have indeed done the CDG-LHR-CDG. A report will be coming up soon.

That will be great.
I´am looking forward to you´re new story.

Greetings,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

Hi Markus,

Another interesting report with such a good variety of planes! Both the F70 and 100 in one trip! Nice pics too. I'd definitely like to do this as a full time job! I hope I can get on a F70/100 sometime. Never heard of so many go arounds while waiting to take off! Sounds like a very rough day because I doubt even in WLG you wouldn't see something like that happening!


Regards,
Nicholas



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 19827 times:

Hey, Nicholas,

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
Another interesting report with such a good variety of planes! Both the F70 and 100 in one trip! Nice pics too. I'd definitely like to do this as a full time job!

Thank you and that´s indeed a good idea!.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
I hope I can get on a F70/100 sometime.

Not that many more around here, couple of ex-Germania birds heading for Australia.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
Never heard of so many go arounds while waiting to take off! Sounds like a very rough day because I doubt even in WLG you wouldn't see something like that happening!

And pretty interesting for me.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19435 times:

Another great repaort, Markus!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
l, we know, the nice guys at BA, no call or contact at all and while checking the website
at Thursday and Friday night my booking is completely gone, the reservation code is not longer accepted. The money is back on my credit card account some two weeks later.

Very bad on behalf of BA! Cancel flight and not even contact you!

Sad that legroom is better on the F70 than the 738......

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5173 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19395 times:

Hi, Lars,

Quoting The777Man (Reply 23):
Another great repaort, Markus!

Thank you.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 23):
Very bad on behalf of BA! Cancel flight and not even contact you!

Surely not the customer orientated behaviour from BA in this case.

Sad that legroom is better on the F70 than the 738......

I like the F70 much more than the 738, so it´s ok for me.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



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