parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8770 times:
Hello and welcome to my tripreport!
I used two different cameras, therefore the different quality of the pictures and videos!
This time I headed for Frankfurt and back to Sweden with JZ,TF,SK and BA.
The purpose of this trip was to meet up with Markus (Flieger67) who was in Gothenburg fo a couple of hours, connecting to Frankfurt from London. At first I only planned to drive down to Landvetter and meet him up and then go back home, but I was free for 3 days so I decided to go flying to. After looking on several flights to Denmark and Norway I decided to go on same flight to Frankfurt with Markus and flying home with another airline. I having troubles finding cheap one way tickets but after a tip from Markus I book BA for my returnflight.
So the routing was: Karlstad->Stockholm Arlanda, Stockholm-Bromma->Gothenburg, Gothenburg->Frankfurt, Frankfurt-> London Heathrow, London Heathrow-> Copenhagen and finaly Copenhagen->Karlstad.
Six flights on four airlines!
A/C Fokker 50
Dep time: 17.15
Arr time: 18.10
Fl time: 40 min
I arrived at the Airport 40 min prior to departure and checked-in for my ARN-flight. I was the first one there. A couple of minutes later more and more people arrived and
we were a total 25 onboard this flight, so the 50-seater Fokker was half full. Boarding was quick and when everyone had take their seats one of the groundstaff came onboard and approach
a passenger in the front. The discusses quit heavily for a couple of minutes. Apperantly the guy had booked his flight just an hour before departure and JZ had mot recive any money.
Minutes passed and start to quit nervous since I have to changed airport in Stockholm which can take more than an hour.
Finaly they arrange so the passenger could pay cash at JZ office at Arlanda. Thats was nice I think. I thought they were going to offload him and his luggage.
Anyway, as soon the gateagent leave the aircraft the F/A closed the door and the pilot´s started the enigines. The F/A had already done the safety-briefing during the discussion
between the gate-agent and the passenger (!) so we taxied for departure straight-away.
We took of from runway 21 to the south. Made a sharp turn to the east over the lake of Vänern. Passed Karlstad and climbed to our cruising altitude of 4500 meter ( 15000 feet).
The route was Örebro-Västerås-Uppsala-Arlanda.
Passing Karlstad´s old airport, closer to the city-centre
A couple of minutes into flight when passing central Karlstad the fasten-seatbelt sign was turned of and the F/A started the cabinservice.
One single middle-aged male F/A onboard, very friendly. Cabin service consisted of a chocolat-bar with hot and cold drinks.
20 min into flight the pilot´s started their approach, flying in from the north over Uppsala to land at runway 19R. Like always when I land at Arlanda the approach is very turbulent. But this time was the worst.
The aircraft jumped up and down and from side to side and 30 sec before touch-down it went calm. The weather at Arlanda (on the ground) was +24 degrees and light winds
I walked up to the arrival-hall and picked-up my bag and cath the express-train to Stockholm City. 20 min later I arrived at the main train-station. Now the time was 19.00 and my flight departed from Bromma at 20.45
I made the short walk to the bus-station which is connected with the train-station. I took the airport-bus to Bromma. The ride took 15 min and the fare was 40 SEK (4euro).
Stockholm-Bromma City airport was opened in 1936 and it was then Sweden´s international airport and SK´s main-hub. In 1959 Arlanda was build and the SK-traffic and most of the international traffic was moved to ARN.
Since then the most flight from Bromma has been domestic. Current there are two international flights from BMA, Sun-air (British Airways) Dornier 328 flights to Billund and Århus in Denmark and Brussels Airlines flights to Brussel. For some
reason Brussels only use BMA and not ARN in Stockholm. Any Belgian a-netter who knows why?
In 2008 BMA hade 1,8 millions passenger and it´s therefore Sweden´s third biggest airport in passenger-numbers.
It have a single 1600 m runway. The biggest A/C which can be used at BMA is the RJ100. Otherwise is mostly turboprops at BMA, like the Saab, F50 and ATR.
A old picture from BMA (wikipedia):
My next flight is with Malmö Aviation to Göteborg-Landvetter (Gothenburg) with their Avro RJ100.
Malmö Aviation was founded in 1981 and was then a air-taxi company. Today they have nine Avro´s in their fleet and one of Sweden´s biggest regional airline. It have three hubs, Stockholm Bromma, Göteborg-Landvetter and Malmö-Sturup.
Stockholm Bromma-Göteborg Landvetter(Gothenburg).
A/C Avro RJ 100 SE-DSS
Fl time: 45 min
Bromma´s airport building is small so no long walks from the check-in to the gate, maybe 50 meters. Quit many pepole at the airport. Their were tree other flight departing in the same time
Two TF flights, one to Malmö, on to Umeå. Also one Brussels Airlines flight to Brussel.
Gate 1A and boarding started 15 min prior to departure. At BMA you have to look which aircraft-stand your aircraf is parked at. Often it´s quit close and you follow the signs and their are often a sign with your destination next to the aircraft. Sometimes one of the F/A meet up the passenger. When flying to Brussel back in 2007 we have to walk at least 200 meter to our A/C!
I boarded at the rear door and took my seat at row 16. TF have a 3-3 layout on the RJ so very narrow seats but at least there is a quit decent leg-room. According to the cabincrew it was 105 pax onboard. TF´s RJ have 112 seats so a realy good load. Lycky for me the middle seat was empty at my row. I had a window-seat.
We taxied to runway 30 set the breaks. The pilot´s gave full power and maybe 10 sec later the breaks were released and the aircraft went like a rocket down the runway. 15 secunds later we was in the air.
here´s the takeoff video, it´s not the best quality. The aircraft vibrated a lot during the take-off roll and the climbing was quit turbulent. Also the windows are very low at the Avro combined with that I try to hide my camera for my seatmate:D
You can see how close the airport is to the city-center in the video.
A couple of minutes in flight the seat-belt sign was turned off and the F/A´s started their cabinservice.Three female F/A´s on this flight. Two younger in the front and one middle-aged serving the rear. The older one was very frindly and she walked in aisle talking and joking with the other passenger. She dosn´t look stressed at all thinkong of that she have to serve over 50 people in 20 minutes!
The two other F/A´s stayed in the front but they seem nice too. Laughing a lot. To start they served all passenger a wt towel, a REAL one! Not a paper one. Realy nice I think. After we were served a chocolat-muffin with coffe or tea.
20 min into flight we started our descent to Landvetter landing after a 45 min flight at runway 21. Disembarked quickly and then walk to the Landvetter airport hotel.
Remeber the frindly middle-aged F/A on my TF flight? She was in front of me in the reception at the hotel checking-in. She was a completly different person! She complain loudly over that she get a room so far away from the reception and that she have to carry her luggage so far. She was realy arrogant and rude. She could not get another room because that´s what TF pays for. The cheapest rooms. she then walked away
and start to complain loudly to her colleauge, the first officer.
I checked-in in no-time and went for the elevator. There was the angry F/A again. She screamed to me that I have to wait because she was there first and then she slam at the button in the elevator and the doors was closed. I didn´t see her anymore.....:P
The next day I check-ot just before 12.00 and headed for the airport to meet up Markus who arriving from London 45 min later. We were going to spend a couple of hours in Göteborg and I don´t want to drag around my luggage so I checked it in at the self-service machine and the went to bagage-drop. All done in ten minutes.
Markus flight was early and I meet him up at the arrival-hall and the went to catch the airport-bus to the city center.
A couple of our later we were back at the airport and walked to security. Our flight was scheduled to 17.10 and boarding started 16.45.
Some pics from Landvetter:
SK´s CRJ going to CPH
Our A/C arrives
At the gate
At the gate again
Wiew from my seat, 21A
A/C: Boeing 737-600
Fl time around 1h 30 min I think (busy talking)
Markus was as usual in the last row window seat, but the cabincrew reseated hom further in the front because of some guy travelling with his child.
I was seated next to a young italian couple headed for Bologna. We talked the hole flight and we now talking at facebook Nice to get three new friends in one day
Since I was busy talking with the Italian couple not many pictures from the flight.
The flight was completly full and their were three F/A´s on the flight, one female two male.Very, very senior, but all friendly
Nothing for free here at SK. I purchased a cup of coffe for 20SEK (2euro). Since I was talking the hole flight it went fast and soon we were descending. Landed on-time at runway 25L (correct Markus in case I´m wrong). Shame I didn´t sit on the left side because then I would have seen the city during approach!
Parked at FRA
Aer Lingus A320
Air Astana B757
Frankfurt is very big and after a very long walk we arrived at the bagage-claim area. My bag didn´t show up so I and Markus went to the bagage-tracing. My bag was still in Göteborg and they will send it with the next flight. Lucky for me there was another flight to FRA that evning! it arrived sometimes around 23.00
I took the subway to the city.
Thank you Markus for a nice day with nice company. Thank you also for your help at the bagagetracing and showing me the correct subwaytrack!
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8489 times:
Continued from Above
After two days in Frankfurt it was time to go home.
Some pics from Frankfurt city
June the 30th
My BA flight will depart FRA at 11.20 so I leave the city at around 09.00. Took the subway to the airport. The ride took 10 min only.
Arrived at terminal one and my flight departed from terminal so I walk to train station and took the train to number two. I once walk between the two terminals and that was not fun!
After check-in I headed for the gate.You have to pass customer on the way and there are no security until your at the gate. My gate was D4 and it was two other gates that share the security with was open one hour before departure. The security took some time with passenger to a almost full 767 and a 747 to Korea.
When I finally reach the gate boarding started and I was one of the first on board. We boarded through door 2R just in front of the wing. I don´t know the load in business but economy was almost full and this BA 767 have 247 seats.
The best picture i could get from the gate:
An AC B777-300 and a KLM Fokker 70
My seat was 29A
view from my seat:
Boarding took some time and at around 11.10 the doors was closed and shortly afterwards we push-backed.
A/C: Boeing 767-300
Dep time: 11.20
Arr time: 12.00 -1GMT
Fl time: 1h 15 min
We took off from FRA´s runway 18.
No in flight info.
Shortly after take-off the cabin crew started their services. 8 F/A´s on board, three male and five female. Both senior and younger. The F/A´s serving the rear was all very nice and service-minded!
Cabin service consisted of hot/cold drinks and a small snack for free. Just enough for this short flight.
The flight was quick and soon we were descending for Heathrow. No the best weather in the UK:
We landed at runway 27L and taxied to terminal five.
My A/C from the Gate
Here´s the landing video, sorry for the quality...I took the wrong camera.
Since I am a citizen of the European union I don´t have to pass trough immigration, I just straight away to security whit was quit fast with many lines open.
I went to a pub for lunch and just before 14.00 I walk to the gate for my Copenhagen flight, Gate 4.Boarding started 14.00
My A/C from the Gate:
A/C Airbus A320
Dep time: 14.25
Arr time: 17.20 +1GMT
Fl time: 1h 50 min
My seat was 25C, a aisle seat, not fun!
We took of from runway 27L which a landed on two hours earlier. The flight was almost full, lets say 140 of 152 seat occupied
Four senior female F/A´s on this flight, all friendly
Cabin service was the same as the flight from FRA. Hot/cold drinks with a snack. I took a glass of wine, coffee and some crisps
Flight was short and soon we were descending towards Copenhagen landing at runway 04R
The A/C from the gate
Some pics from Kastrup
Since Skyways is not a BA partner I could not check-in my luggage all the way to Karlstad. I therefore headed for bagageclaim and then walk to terminal three were Skyways operates from. Check-in via the self-service machines and then went to bagagedrop.
After a quick dinner at Burger King I walk to security and to my gate.
Boarding started early and we go by bus to our A/C which is parked at a remote stand.
Flight: JZ0709 operated by Avitrans Nordic
A/C Saab 340
Dep time: 21.00
Arr time: 22.20
Fl time: 1 hour 5 min
Free seating. I was the last one on board. The only free window seat is the single seat in the first row. The F/A is seating in front of me, so therefore no pictures during take off and landing
26 passenger on board this Saab 340, quit a good load. Mostly business on board.
Took off from runway 04L. We flew over the west coast of Sweden and turning to the east after Gothenburg passing Lidköping and then over the Lake of Vänern.
A couple of minutes into flight the seat-belt sign was turned off and the F/A started her service. One single senior female F/A onboard this flight, very friendly.
Cabin service was a piece of cake and hot/cold drinks. I took a cup of coffee.
view from my seat:
Flight was smooth and soon we were descending towards Karlstad.
Some in flight pictures
Såtenäs military airport
We landed at runway 03. A made the short taxi and parked on the tarmac.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1705 posts, RR: 41 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7936 times:
Great report about your succesfull minitrip. Glad that you could hook up with Markus, he's a jolly good fellow and a very good companion for likeminded people.
It's great that BA still operates 767s one some high density routes at peak time departures (or with lucrative cargo contracts like was the case with DUS for years!), flying a widebody intra-Europe is always a treat nowadays!
Quoting parton87 (Thread starter): Current there are two international flights from BMA, Sun-air (British Airways) Dornier 328 flights to Billund and Århus in Denmark and Brussels Airlines flights to Brussel. For some
reason Brussels only use BMA and not ARN in Stockholm. Any Belgian a-netter who knows why?
Actually in August both AY and Sun Air will start BMA-HEL with a total of four daily frequencies. It's an interesting route, there have been many niche carriers on this route but none of them have so far succeeded, which is a bit confusing as I think it is the perfect route - ARN is already the busiest international route ex-HEL and there's a LOT of business traffic between the two cities, for which Bromma is of course very well positioned (well, with the Arlanda Express so fast part of that advantage has been eatern up). Let's see, I'll probably fly this route sometime in August, hopefully catching the FRJ this time!
As for SN, they seem to have quite warm relationship with TF, including codesharing so I guess BMA is a natural choice because of that. Apparently the SN take offs can be fun as the plane is rather heavy for the longer segment to BRU and take off requires LCY-like acceleration...
I'm very impressed by TF's schedule - they have LOTS of flights to each of their three domestic destinations (UME, MMX, GOT) ex-BMA, seems like they are imitating Southwest's model in the US in that sense. They also haven't expanded too much, I would've expected they'd tried BMA-LLA as well but maybe they want to keep up the frequencies and don' t want to expend any additional capital on more planes...
Quoting parton87 (Thread starter): TF have a 3-3 layout on the RJ so very narrow seats but at least there is a quit decent leg-room.
Yeah, this is my pet peeve. I've flown two different TF Avros plus one of them a second time when it was operating for Skyways (VBY-ARN back in 2007), on all occasions the planes have been packed and the narrow seat very uncomfortable!
Hmm, on both of my flights we got a snackbox which contained a large, very good sandwich and I think a tub of water, maybe something else as well. Have they made cutbacks, is it the timing of the flight in the evening or the fact that BMA-GOT is their shortest route, any idea?
Heh, I once missed a connection at GOT and had to stay overnight, I asked the SAS agents why they wouldn't put me in an airport hotel but insisted on the Corinthia Towers hotel in the city, a bit far away (but of course with taxi transportation thrown in) - the agent replied along the lines of "That hotel is rubbish, this one is much nicer!".
Quoting parton87 (Thread starter): She was a completly different person! She complain loudly over that she get a room so far away from the reception and that she have to carry her luggage so far.
I guess smiling and putting up with all kinds of passengers during the day finally take their toll once the day is off. I'd hate to be her husband
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6303 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6815 times:
Very nice report! Especially like the pictures from BMA where I worked before I moved to Los Angeles; I pushed those yellow stairs many times.....The old picture from BMA in the 1970s brings back great memories from my childhood flying on those LF Convair 440 Metropolitans....
Thanks for a great report!
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly...T5, CI, LX and LH 777s
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6056 times:
Thank you for you comments
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 2): Actually in August both AY and Sun Air will start BMA-HEL with a total of four daily frequencies. It's an interesting route, there have been many niche carriers on this route but none of them have so far succeeded, which is a bit confusing as I think it is the perfect route - ARN is already the busiest international route ex-HEL and there's a LOT of business traffic between the two cities, for which Bromma is of course very well positioned (well, with the Arlanda Express so fast part of that advantage has been eatern up). Let's see, I'll probably fly this route sometime in August, hopefully catching the FRJ this time!
I´ve heard about that. It would be fun to catch a embraer flight. Wonder what the prices would be since it probaly will be mostly businessmen on that route.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 2): As for SN, they seem to have quite warm relationship with TF, including codesharing so I guess BMA is a natural choice because of that. Apparently the SN take offs can be fun as the plane is rather heavy for the longer segment to BRU and take off requires LCY-like acceleration...
Was this from the begining? I thought the start codesharing after SN used BMA for a while?
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 2): Hmm, on both of my flights we got a snackbox which contained a large, very good sandwich and I think a tub of water, maybe something else as well. Have they made cutbacks, is it the timing of the flight in the evening or the fact that BMA-GOT is their shortest route, any idea?
Last time I flew with TF was in 2007. It was a late evning flight and we were served a sandwich and a apple with cold and hot drinks. So it seems that they made some cutbacks. I dont know the service on their longer flights.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 2): Heh, I once missed a connection at GOT and had to stay overnight, I asked the SAS agents why they wouldn't put me in an airport hotel but insisted on the Corinthia Towers hotel in the city, a bit far away (but of course with taxi transportation thrown in) - the agent replied along the lines of "That hotel is rubbish, this one is much nicer!".
It´s expensive but it was a nice hotel with nice staff. Looking at tripadvisor.com it´s very different comments, some love it, some is neutral and some hate it. The hotel CEO answering all comments....so maybe it will be better when it somes to prices since almost everyone complain about the prices...:D
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 2): I guess smiling and putting up with all kinds of passengers during the day finally take their toll once the day is off. I'd hate to be her husband
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6050 times:
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): what a long and detailed story together with really nice pictures.
Hello Markus! Thank you for your comment!
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): That´s something special to be part of the story itself, my one is coming up also soon, you know.
I´m curios on yours
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3): Nice impressions from Frankfurt and also from the BA 767, on schedule in September, you know also
It´s realy something special flying a widebody on a intra-european flight, and the 767 is a very good looking aircraft! You will probaly have a nice flight, a find the leather seats on BA very comfortable.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6047 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 4): Very nice report! Especially like the pictures from BMA where I worked before I moved to Los Angeles; I pushed those yellow stairs many times.....The old picture from BMA in the 1970s brings back great memories from my childhood flying on those LF Convair 440 Metropolitans....
Thanks for a great report!
Thank you very much for you comment! BMA is realy a great little airport. have you visiting it recently?