PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7094 posts, RR: 76 Posted (5 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Alpine Peaks & Adrenaline:
Sightseeing Flight on Lufthansa's Second A380
Flying on a brand new aircraft is always something special - but it's even better to be on a plane's first passenger flight. And it is even more exciting if the brand new plane is an A380 and operates a sightseeing flight over the Alps. Can it still get any better? Yes - if the giant also performs a thrilling maneuver usually reserved for airshows! All that came true on 28 July when I flew on Lufthansa LH380, operated by D-AIMB "München", the carrier's second Airbus A380.
Background about the Trip
On 1 July a post on a German aviation forum caught my attention: A member had published a "Lufthansa eXperts" newsletter - intended for travel agencies - advertising two sightseeing flights over the Alps on the airline's second Airbus A380. According to the newsletter, the plane would come to Munich on 28 July, be officially christened "München" and operate two 1.5 hour sightseeing flights after the ceremony. Tickets would start at 99 Euro and be available for clients from 5 July and the public from 7 July on Lufthansa's website. Of course I was fascinated by that offer and determined to get on the first sightseeing flight - which would be the plane's first flight with passengers.
I was expecting that the public sale would really start on 7 July as announced in the newsletter, but when I checked LH's website it said that the sale would end on 7 July. So I started regularly checking the website in the early morning on 5 July which turned out to be successful: Bookings were accepted from 9:30 and I secured Economy Class window seats (199 Euro per person) for me, my brother and a friend. Aisle and middle seats were available for 99 Euro, but we had decided it would be worth it to pay twice as much for a window seat. Business Class seats were sold for 399 and 499 Euro (window), First Class seats were available for 899 and 999 Euro (window). Interestingly, it took only a few hours until all seats on LH380 and LH381 were sold out. Btw - the proceeds from the flights were destined for the Lufthansa HelpAlliance which supports aid projects all over the world.
Full of anticipation we started our two hour drive to MUC on the morning of July 28. And our mood was even getting better while hearing a short report about the A380 event on the radio news. According to the report, hundreds of spectators had already shown up at the airport.
Reserving certain seats in advance and checking in online hadn't been possible for the special flights, so we made sure to be at the airport early enough. It wasn't clear whether the seats had already been assigned after booking, therefore I wanted to try my best to get a seat behind the wing. Shortly after booking I had sent an email to a dedicated address and asked for three window seats in a row in the rear section, but I never received a reply.
Only a few minutes after the check-in process had commenced I went to the dedicated counters at Terminal 2. A friendly LH agent asked me whether I was a press member or a VIP guest, but I had to deny. Then I proceeded to the Economy Class queue:
Business Class and VIP counters:
Another very friendly LH agent welcomed me at the counter and even addressed me by name when she handed back my ID. I asked about the seat selection and she explained that all seats had already been assigned in advance. However, I was quite happy when I read 89K on the boarding pass. Stickers in four different colors were added to simplify the boarding process - I got a purple one:
My brother and his friend checked in an hour later and got seats 88K and 90K. So it seems it had been a good idea to send an email after booking. Btw - it said MUC-OBF (Oberpfaffenhofen) on the boarding passes. I guess it simply hadn’t been possible to enter the same destination twice. MUC-OBF had also shown up during the booking process which was a bit irritating at first.
I still had plenty of time left so I decided to go to the Terminal 2 observation deck for the first time. After paying the entrance fee (2 Euro) you have to go through a long walkway:
The facility is quite nice...
...but viewing opportunities are limited. You can see all the planes destined for Terminal 2, but it may be difficult to see the rest. That simply depends on the takeoff direction and the position of the sun. While the facility is useful for registration spotters, it's totally worthless for photographers.
While watching the traffic up there several people asked me if I knew where the A380 would be parked and when it would depart. I told them that it would taxi to G48 at the south end of Terminal 2 - however, at this time I hadn't realized yet that busses would bring us to the plane.
Shortly before noon we arrived at gate G48 and an announcement informed us about the boarding procedure. While we were asked to use stairs 3 and 4, passengers at gate G46 were asked to use stairs 1 and 2. Definitely not a common sight:
Some minutes later a slight boarding delay was announced. The agent explained that some more time would be required for "preparations on the apron". It seems the naming ceremony had taken a bit longer than planned.
Background and Details about the Naming Ceremony
According to a Lufthansa press release the christening of Lufthansa’s second A380 at Munich Airport saw the airline make good on the birthday promise that it made at the city of Munich’s 850th anniversary celebrations: to name one of its first A380s after the Bavarian state capital. In the presence of about 200 guests of honour, D-AIMB was christened by the wife of Munich’s Lord Mayor, Edith von Welser-Ude, using water from the Isar filled in an antique pewter urn from 1880.
Some quotes: Christoph Franz, Deputy Chairman of the Executive Board of the Lufthansa Group: "Lufthansa is proud to welcome the Airbus A380 into its fleet as its new flagship in long-haul traffic and ambassador that will carry the name of our Munich hub out into the world." Thomas Klühr, Lufthansa Group Representative and head of Hub Management in Munich: "The naming of our second A380 at Munich Airport represents a major highlight for our hub." Christian Ude, the Lord Mayor of the Bavarian state capital of Munich: "As the largest and most modern passenger aircraft in the world, Lufthansa’s A380 will be an outstanding ambassador for Munich’s bid to host the 2018 Olympic Winter Games and one that excellently represents Munich as an international meeting place and city open to the world."
Other prominent speakers were Michael Kerkloh, CEO and Chairman of the Management Board of Flughafen München GmbH, and Peter Ramsauer, Federal Minister of Transport, Building and Urban Development.
The donation cheque with the proceeds from the flights over the Alps and the associated fundraising events were then handed over to a Lufthansa HelpAlliance representative by A380 captain and Lufthansa Passenger Airlines Executive Board member Jürgen Raps.
Boarding finally commenced at 12:15 and one could feel and see the general excitement in the gate area. 15 minutes later doors were closed and the bus started its journey to the LH Technik hangar. As soon as the giant plane came in sight, many people grabbed their cameras and quickly started taking pictures. Here it is:
It was interesting to see that stairs had been placed on the starboard side:
I had always been impressed by the sheer size of the plane on my previous A380 flights - but standing next to the giant on the apron was simply stunning. Some people seemed to be speechless with amazement:
When will I get the chance again to board an A380 via stairs? Not anytime soon, I guess.
Finally it was time to walk up. Two friendly flight attendants welcomed me and handed out a small present:
It turned out to be an A380 pin - however, it should be registered D-AIMB:
First of all I took a deep breath after stepping on board - the new plane smell was amazing. Only a few meters to go to row 89:
I still have to get used to individual TV screens on Lufthansa. Unfortunately, the IFE boxes are quite large compared to those on other A380 carriers:
Pillows and headphones had been placed on the seats:
When checking the window and seat positions I quickly realized that 88K would be better than 89K for taking pictures, so I switched seats with my brother. The Recaro slimline seat itself was quite hard...
...but legroom was decent in the bulkhead row:
The seat pocket contained a water bottle, the Lufthansa in-flight magazine and a (great!) high gloss magazine about Lufthansa's A380:
Safety card fresh from the press:
20 minutes prior to departure the last remaining passengers were walking up the stairs:
After all passengers had taken their seats the purser introduced herself and the crew and welcomed everyone on board. Shortly thereafter, First Officer Marcus Schnabel came on the intercom: "I am your mountain guide today", he said and welcomed us on behalf of Captain Jürgen Raps and Captain Ingo Meyerdierks who would be the pilots in charge. I was quite impressed: Jürgen Raps is chief pilot and executive board member, Ingo Meyerdierks is technical pilot and has been heavily involved in the internal A380 testing. Btw - Jürgen Raps was also in command of the first Lufthansa A380 long-haul flight on 6 June (Frankfurt-Johannesburg with the German national soccer team on board).
Exactly at 13:10 the plane was pushed back, five minutes ahead of schedule:
It was quite busy on the apron:
Masses of spotters and spectators had lined up along the runway. Cars were parked everywhere - the police had even turned a regular road into a one-way road to prevent traffic congestion:
During taxi Mr. Schnabel told us that several Lufthansa planes have been named after the city of Munich in the recent decades. The very first "München" was a Boeing 707 delivered in 1960. Mr. Schnabel also mentioned that the proceeds from our flight - 100000 Euro spent by 526 passengers - had already been donated to the Lufthansa HelpAlliance.
This guy was following us all the time:
The spotter's hill next to runway 08R/26L was totally crowded:
Lufthansa's "NiceView" (moving map with 3D function) was shown on the main screen in front of us:
12 minutes after leaving the parking position we rolled onto runway 26L. The four Trent engines quietly accelerated the big bird...
...and D-AIMB lifted off gently after a smooth takeoff roll:
Suddenly the plane rolled to the right which was quite unusual for a takeoff from runway 26L...
...but only a few moments later it also rolled to the left to the same extent. Now it was clear that the pilots had waggled the wings! Mr. Schnabel quickly explained that this custom had been intended to salute Munich Airport. He also added that the last few drops of water from the Isar had most likely been shaken off during takeoff…
According to Marcus Schnabel the plane's takeoff weight had been 410 tons - 150 tons below MTOW. Later in the flight Mr. Schnabel also told us that the crew consisted of 24 people - so D-AIMB was carrying a total of 550 people on its first passenger flight.
Less than ten minutes after takeoff flight attendants handed out Bavarian-style snack bags...
…containing a cheese and radish sandwich, salami pieces and (Austrian) wafers filled with hazelnut cream - that was a really tasty "Brotzeit":
Meanwhile we had climbed to an altitude of 3931 meters and Mr. Schnabel announced that we would fly a full circle over the "Zugspitze", Germany's highest mountain. Garmisch-Partenkirchen right ahead:
Unfortunately, thick clouds were covering the German Alps:
"Here at the front six eyes are desperately looking for gaps in the clouds", Mr. Schnabel ensured. "Please help us." Well, at least we had "NiceView":
However, a few moments later some gaps showed up and flaps were set for a low-speed circle:
"The next destination is Innsbruck where we will fly a full circle again", Mr. Schnabel explained some minutes later. "We have been told that hundreds of spectators are waiting for us."
Since I wouldn't be able to see Innsbruck from the right side I left my seat and took some cabin shots. Cameras in action everywhere:
Of course it was not possible to go to the upper deck - too many people would have blocked the aisles and disturbed the Business and First Class passengers:
Although it was impossible to see the city, I had some good views of the mountains around Innsbruck:
On the way to the "Grossglockner", Austria's highest mountain, I had a short look at Lufthansa's audio/video-on-demand entertainment system, called "Lufthansa Media World". Unfortunately, due to reflections it was not easy to take reasonable pictures of my fold-out TV screen. The menu guide is available in ten languages:
Passengers can select between 20 movies in up to eight language versions, 35 TV programs, international news, 30 international radio channels, 115 music CDs and audio books, 9 games, language classes and service information about the flight and Lufthansa. 50 movies and almost twice as much CDs are available in First and Business Class.
Camera views are not offered by all A380 operators, but Lufthansa made the right decision:
The touchscreen responsiveness was good, but sometimes it may be more convenient to use the handset. Unfortunately, the small control units are fixed in an unfavorable position in the bulkhead rows:
Thick clouds were waiting again near the "Grossglockner"...
...but two minutes later we overflew some gaps:
Tail camera view:
Flaps were set again for another low-speed circle:
Promising virtual view on the screen...
...and great views through the window:
Mr. Schnabel told us many facts about the "Grossglockner" and other mountains, once again in an entertaining way - he really deserves the title "mountain guide".
Flight path on the screen:
Then Mr. Schnabel promised a "special attraction" and announced that the plane would approach Salzburg Airport and perform a low flyby and a go-around - including a 45 degree angle of ascent! Wow, I was impressed, just as many other passengers. Of course Mr. Schnabel advised all passengers to return to their seats and keep their seatbelts fastened.
I was getting more and more excited while the plane was slowly descending:
Gear down, flaps set for landing:
Of course the giant had attracted many spotters:
D-AIMB performed the flyby at barely 30 meters above the runway:
Once we had passed the runway the plane powerfully accelerated, climbed steeply and flew an extremely tight left turn! It was so freakin' awesome to see and feel the A380 performing such a maneuver! That's what I call a real adrenaline kick!
Many passengers were cheering and expressing their amazement, while a few others weren't overly happy about the airshow-like demonstration.
Only a few moments later I could enjoy great views of Salzburg:
Before climbing up further Mr. Schnabel advised us to wave goodbye: "Because you will find yourselves in many spotter pictures."
15 minutes after leaving behind Salzburg we overflew the city of Munich. The Allianz Arena stands out:
Numerous sights are visible here, such as the Olympiaturm and the BMW Welt:
After almost 1.5 hours in the air it was time to return to Munich Airport where hundreds of spotters were waiting to see the A380 again. Parallel approach:
Gear down, flaps set for landing - for the second time:
Now let's switch the perspective for a moment. This is our plane on final approach - photographed by my friend Satchmo:
Picture by Satchmo
Back to seat 88K again - only a few more seconds to go:
Under the watchful eyes of hundreds of spectators D-AIMB touched down smoothly after a flying time of 1 hour and 39 minutes:
Now it was time to fold out my PTV again:
Some more spotters:
The "München" was welcomed back again with a water canon salute:
After we had passed the fire trucks Mr. Schnabel said goodbye on behalf of the whole crew and all people gave applause to him. He really deserved it, good job!
Shortly thereafter, we arrived at the gate where another bunch of spotters had been waiting:
Two jetways - one on each side - were used for disembarking:
After most people had left the plane I took some more cabin pictures:
Of course I also needed to get a regular seat pitch picture:
Big logo - plain and simple, but very elegant:
The jetway was still full of people taking pictures and I had to line up to reach good photo positions.
Still young and fresh - the massive Rolls-Royce Trent 970-84 engines:
When will "München" come to MUC again? Who knows.
What's that - some dirt between the door and the Star Alliance logo?
Goodbye "München", I hope to see you operating regular flights from MUC's Terminal 2 in the not-so-distant future...
My friend Satchmo picked me up and we went to the spotter's hill next to runway 08R/26L. The weather had become worse, but we stayed outside to see D-AIMB departing again as LH381.
Three different kinds of four-haulers in one picture:
Shortly after 17:00 D-AIMB took off again…
Picture by Satchmo
…and also waggled its wings again:
Picture by Satchmo
Satchmo then dropped me off at Terminal 2 and I made another visit to the observation deck. It wasn’t hard to guess what all these people were waiting for:
While writing down registrations I got into conversation with a nice old man who was also waiting for the A380. He told me that he had always been fascinated by aviation, but never made it his hobby. He was fascinated by my flight report and he got excited like a kid when the giant finally showed up. It was really amazing to see what kind of enthusiasm the A380 generated among non-enthusiasts.
Taking pictures through the sloped and toned windows can be very tricky:
After an hour on the ground D-AIMB was pushed back again. This time it was heading to the northern runway to perfom the ferry flight to its home base Frankfurt:
D-AIMB taxied onto runway 26R after a business jet had landed - and I was quite surprised to see a Lufthansa A32X performing a go-around. It seems the A380 had not started its takeoff roll fast enough, but probably the business jet hadn't left the runway immediately. Anyway, D-AIMB finally accelerated, lifted off very quickly and soon disappeared in the gray sky. Two days later the plane entered commercial service on the Frankfurt-Tokyo route.
First passenger flight on a brand new A380, boarding via stairs, low flyby, thrilling go-around, stunning views, perfect organisation - all that contributed to a very special event which I will remember all my life. No doubts, it has been my most enjoyable A380 flight - and probably it has been my best flight experience ever. I really have to praise Lufthansa for offering such a remarkable event.
While I had always found the plane impressive, I hadn't belonged to the diehard Airbus A380 fans. However, this flight totally changed my mind. The A380 rocks!
BZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 277 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Wow! Simply awesome. What a wonderful, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be on this unique flight. Not only did you have a grand tour of the Alps and the surrounding scenery, but you also got to experience the A380's performance and capabilities beyond what you would experience in normal airline operations. Thanks for sharing this trip with the rest of us!!
Quoting AAairplane (Reply 4): Great report! I can only dream that I will get to fly on an A380 someday! Loved the pictures too. Looks like a nice cabin. You were so lucky to get to do this! Thanks for the report!
Thanks for your reply! I'm sure you'll get a chance to fly on the bird one day.
Quoting Serdar (Reply 5): Anyway, nice pictures and shame that it was cloudy over the Alps.
Thanks, Serdar. At least the weather was nice at MUC and SZG.
Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 7): Not only did you have a grand tour of the Alps and the surrounding scenery, but you also got to experience the A380's performance and capabilities beyond what you would experience in normal airline operations.
Yes, even a "normal" go-around would be quite different from the maneuver at SZG.
AI151 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 303 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Hey PH a simply stunning and fascinating TR. I'm so jealous and envious that you managed to get a ticket for such a special flight.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): When checking the window and seat positions I quickly realized that 88K would be better than 89K for taking pictures, so I switched seats with my brother. The Recaro slimline seat itself was quite hard...
You must have been glad that it was your brother otherwise it might have been difficult to persuade someone else to move. At first glance the seats do look very hard and uncomfortable when travelling on a long flight.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): Shortly thereafter, First Officer Marcus Schnabel came on the intercom: "I am your mountain guide today", he said and welcomed us on behalf of Captain Jürgen Raps and Captain Ingo Meyerdierks who would be the pilots in charge. I was quite impressed: Jürgen Raps is chief pilot and executive board member, Ingo Meyerdierks is technical pilot and has been heavily involved in the internal A380 testing. Btw - Jürgen Raps was also in command of the first Lufthansa A380 long-haul flight on 6 June (Frankfurt-Johannesburg with the German national soccer team on board).
In these circumstances and especially when flying the aircraft for the first passenger service its always best to have the best around in the cockpit.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): Then Mr. Schnabel promised a "special attraction" and announced that the plane would approach Salzburg Airport and perform a low flyby and a go-around - including a 45 degree angle of ascent! Wow, I was impressed, just as many other passengers. Of course Mr. Schnabel advised all passengers to return to their seats and keep their seatbelts fastened.
Another reason I am jealous. I saw the video's on You Tube and was stunned at how beautifully it was executed. It looked stunning to watch from the ground so I can't even begin to imagine how you felt.
The best thing I like is the 'Niceview' option on the IFE.
767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2076 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
What a great trip you took! Thanks so much for sharing your photos and report with us on the new Lufthansa A380! What good views outside of the window on your flight .. great views of Salzburg and Munich from the air!
airpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 976 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Wow! Congratulations on your first LH A380 and the inaugural LH A380 trip report. I'd been looking forward to a first posting and am quite green with envy... Wonderful pictures and great insight, fantastic report. Special flights are always, well, special. But boarding the giant via the back stairs on the starboard side from inside a hangar - how much more special can this get? I am so, so impressed. Thanks for this report!
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 7094 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting AI151 (Reply 13): Hey PH a simply stunning and fascinating TR.
Hi Sandeep, thanks a lot for your feedback!
Quoting AI151 (Reply 13): I'm so jealous and envious that you managed to get a ticket for such a special flight.
Luck played a big role.
Quoting AI151 (Reply 13): You must have been glad that it was your brother otherwise it might have been difficult to persuade someone else to move.
Yes, absolutely true!
Quoting AI151 (Reply 13): At first glance the seats do look very hard and uncomfortable when travelling on a long flight.
Possibly, yes. I still need to get used to the latest generation of seats.
Quoting AI151 (Reply 13): Another reason I am jealous. I saw the video's on You Tube and was stunned at how beautifully it was executed. It looked stunning to watch from the ground so I can't even begin to imagine how you felt.
I felt like being on a rollercoaster with giant wings...
Quoting 767747 (Reply 14): What a great trip you took! Thanks so much for sharing your photos and report with us on the new Lufthansa A380!
Many thanks, Matthew!
Quoting 767747 (Reply 14): What good views outside of the window on your flight .. great views of Salzburg and Munich from the air!
I'm really glad that the weather was quite nice there while we were passing.
Quoting airpearl (Reply 15): Wow! Congratulations on your first LH A380 and the inaugural LH A380 trip report.
Quoting airpearl (Reply 15): Wonderful pictures and great insight, fantastic report.
Hi Airpearl, thanks a lot for your comments, always highly appreciated.
Quoting airpearl (Reply 15): I'd been looking forward to a first posting and am quite green with envy...
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
fantastic report, amazing event. You're a lucky guy!
I was unfortunate enough not to know about this in time, so all good seats were sold out on the flight. Otherwise I would've joined the flight for sure.
Now, I am planning the LH A380 in a few weeks time, on a longhaul route. Hopefully I can make it.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Whoa! I'm almost speechless (typeless?) - what an amazing report with tons of great pictures about a very special event. You are very lucky indeed to be able to take part in such a special flight.
Amazing to see all those spotters at MUC and along the route. Quite different from certain countries in the world where just looking at a plane longer than a couple of seconds can be considered a criminal offense, let alone photographing them or writing down registrations! I had no idea MUC T2 had an observation deck, but it doesn't look to be anything special, that's for sure.
Did they serve anything to drink in addition to that snack bag or was it just the bottle of water? I wonder what the service was like in Biz and First, I guess they must at least hand out plenty of champers to justify the high ticket prices, it's not like anybody would buy a first class seat to sleep on a flight like this .
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18): I was unfortunate enough not to know about this in time, so all good seats were sold out on the flight. Otherwise I would've joined the flight for sure.
An a.net meeting on that flight would have been nice!
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 18): Now, I am planning the LH A380 in a few weeks time, on a longhaul route. Hopefully I can make it.
Now that sounds great. Tokyo, I guess? I would really like to try the bird on a long-haul flight.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19): Whoa! I'm almost speechless (typeless?) - what an amazing report with tons of great pictures about a very special event. You are very lucky indeed to be able to take part in such a special flight.
Thanks a lot for your comments, FlyingFinn!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19): Amazing to see all those spotters at MUC and along the route. Quite different from certain countries in the world where just looking at a plane longer than a couple of seconds can be considered a criminal offense, let alone photographing them or writing down registrations!
Yes, spotting at MUC, FRA and other German airports is always a pleasure.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19): I had no idea MUC T2 had an observation deck, but it doesn't look to be anything special, that's for sure.
Well, it's still useful for registration spotters - definitely better than nothing.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19): Did they serve anything to drink in addition to that snack bag or was it just the bottle of water?
No, but it would have been difficult to serve more food and drinks. We flew several circles and changed altitude several times, and many people were walking around all the time.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 19): I wonder what the service was like in Biz and First, I guess they must at least hand out plenty of champers to justify the high ticket prices, it's not like anybody would buy a first class seat to sleep on a flight like this
I'm sure they got some really good stuff. First and Business Class passengers had boarded earlier - probably that additional time was also used for serving food and drinks. I saw some pictures from Business Class on another website and spotted a kind of basket or box which was covered by the same bavarian-style cloth also used for the snack bag.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6797 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:
Very impressive report, PlaneHunter I'm very happy for you that you were able to be a part of such an event. Great that it was the first revenue flight for the aircraft! The screen looks the same as on DL's 77L and UA's new Yseats, probbly similiar systems.
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