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China Southern CZ 332: 22/APR/10: LOS-DXB: J Cabin  
User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Feedback always appreciated.




I > Background:
I recently found myself in a week long intense engagement in Lagos. There are very few cities that get on my nerves so fast … and sadly, Lagos is one of them. So, I looked forward to my weekend and decided to “reward” myself with a beach break to the Maldives to reenergize myself. Now, the cheapest option would have been to fly Emirates via DXB. However, given my recent luck with them, and the presence of an “exotic” option meant that I had to go for a different choice. Yes, you’ve guessed it … China Southern’s rather “random” routing of LOS-DXB which continues to CAN.

While I believe there have been a couple of reports on China Southern (mostly on their intra-Asia offerings), I believe this would be the first coverage of their trans-continental operation, of their JCL product, and the first international coverage out of Lagos … surely, I am wrong here … this is a city of 16 million people?!

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
China Southern Airlines is a Guangzhou based airline operateing domestic, regional and international services. It is amongst the world’s top 5 airlines (by passenger carried), and is a member of the SkyTeam alliance. It hubs from CAN and PEK with several other focus cities in China. It has an impressive international operation to 65 cities with destinations served mainly from CAN and PEK.

Chinese airlines are not known to maintain stellar websites, and China Southern was no exception. China Southern’s website at www.csair.com had a lot of glitches and I was unable to actually buy the ticket on the site. I later recreated the itinerary on Expedia who also offered me a seat selection option. Not a good start!

b) At Airport:
China Southern uses the international terminal 1 @ Murtala Mohamad Airport in Lagos where I expected there to be significantly more security than there was … especially after all the drama of last year’s failed plot on the DL 330. Keeping this in mind, I showed up at the airport almost 3 hours before … something I rarely do. Anyways, MMA has improved a ton and it now is far more representative of an airline belonging to one of Africa’s most important countries. Prior to check-in, one goes through a rather thorough passport and visa check. For the first time in all my travels, it was amusing to see our passports and visas photographed … apparently, there is such systematic flushing down of documents from here, they keep a record … so just in case you have flushed it town and seeking asylum, the know who you are. Sad what people have to go through to overcome adversity. Anyways, after this check, the very dour check-in agent checked me on to my flight and issued me my boarding pass and lounge access card. Not a single smile during the entire process and a perma-frown on her face which indicated that she’d rather be somewhere else.

That supposed security was never there … in fact, I cleared without a patting down … hmmm. Best part of the cursory check was as soon as I picked up my hand-bag from the X-Ray, the security dude smiled and said, “something for me”. Haha. What is up with this blatant bribe requests? I smiled back and said, “sorry … no money this time. Others have already claimed it”. We shared a laugh and he let me go.

MMA’s sterile area has a few options and I decided to catch up on my emails. CZ uses the “Skye” lounge and at this time in the afternoon, it was packed with Lebanese flying on the MEA flight to Beirut. They really do run this part of Africa. Anyways, after spending some time at the lounge, I made my way to the gate where CZ personnel conducted another security check. However, they were also not terribly interested and the whole thing felt cursory. I entered the sterile cabin and was greeted by a bunch of rather giggling cabin crew who took me to my seat. J load was barely 10%, and Y load was around 65%.


>Airport - External:

(Lagos Airport MMA1)

Check-in:



Airport - Internal:

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(FIDS – no comments)


(a newer one – though, the old one had so much more grace)


(Post Security @ LOS)

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Scenes of the tarmac:

NONE


Lounge

(Skye Lounge)

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Boarding:

NONE


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
While on the ground, a beverage service was offered along with nice thick (branded) cold towels. Very refreshing. Slippers and amenity kits were already placed at each seat, along with headphones. While on the ground, orders for meal service were taken as well. After take-off, lunch was offered. 2 hours prior to arrival, another meal service was offered.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
China Southern’s A-330/200 was in immaculate condition. While the entire cabin did feel a little sterile, I did enjoy how clean everything was. While I did not venture into the Y-cabin, the bathrooms in the front were also kept super clean during the entire flight. The crew must be lauded for this!

The seat itself was a very average lie-flat seat … sort of reminded me of the seats on both Air France and Lufthansa. Does anyone know who the actual manufacturer is? Now, as many of you know, I am not a fan of these seats and I even prefer old-style J seats to these. The only decent angled J for me was on the old SQ. However, in CZ’s defense, I must say that you were getting an extremely good value on the seats. In seating position, the seats are great. In fact, by extending the leg-rest all the way, you can actually get a relatively nice cocoon shape which isn’t offered on many other lie-flat seats. But, in the lie-flat position, you struggle with the constant feeling of slipping away. Having said that, it did not have the awkward leg-rest which I found on PIA.

Aircraft:
(332 @ LOS)


Views from Aircraft:

(Terminal Building)


(ET on final approach)


(Crazy Lagos behind)


General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

(Seat)


(Seat controls)


(Legroom)


(Comfortable hangout position)


(Seat Area)


(Blanket)

Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Little cramped, but OK)

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Cabin:


*


(Bathroom Amenities)


c) Meal + Beverage:
Drinks were served prior to take-off, and included the standard water/juice/champagne. The lead purser also took orders for meals at this point. There were no menus present – but, an option of 4 choices for both the “first meal” and the “second meal”. What was really nice was that she was super friendly in explaining all the Chinese dishes and even offered me the choice to have my “second meal” before my “first meal”.

The “first meal” consisted of a salmon sandwich platter, fruits, bread, a rather nasty dessert, and a main course – for which I chose Chinese chicken noodles. Now, the culinary experience was mixed. While the important things (sandwich and main) were absolutely delicious, the dessert left much to be desired. Also, the fruit was fresh … the bread a tad cold. Finally, CZ did not have the “refinement” which is such a trademark of other Asian carriers. The entire meal was served at one-go … odd for a day flight departing at around noon. It was one of the very rare times that I thought the tray was extremely cramped. Having said that, no one could complain about the quantity of food (almost twice what you would get on Lufthansa JCL), and also the 4 options for the main dish (chicken, beef, seafood, and vegetarian).

In between the two meals, my herbal Chinese green tea (look at the “first meal” picture) was consistently replenished. Actually, I was amazed at how pro-active the crew were in coming and checking the tea levels … and it wasn’t a cursory check. They would come and see if the glass was still hot, if the tea leaves were still plentiful, and then without asking, go and bring me a fresh glass. All pretty impressive! Also in between the two meals, a passenger could go to the self-help bar area and help themselves to an assortment of beverages and snacks. I actually got addicted to these Chinese snacks (see picture) and must have consumed half the supplies onboard. Could a Chinese A.Netter please point out what this snack is? Can I buy it in Europe or the U.S.? I assume finding it in Caracas would be a tad harder …..

“Second meal” happened two hours prior to arrival at DXB. Now, I got a platter of salad, dessert, bread, and an assortment of cheese and cold cuts. The presentation could have been much better … but I was content with the quantity of the meal. To my true surprise, that was actually only the appetizer! It was followed by another hot meal … and, again, I got to pick from a choice of 4 dishes. The Chinese vegetable and chicken curry was rather delicious and I was more than content by the overall meal.

I don’t remember the last time I was fed so well on a flight less than 8 hours. While the delivery and presentation lacked finesse, the sheer quantity and quality of the meal compensated more than enough. The only thing I would improve is the quality of dessert offerings, and add some choice!

(Prior to take-off)


(“First” meal / That tea would be constantly filled)


(Snack bar during flight)


(Snacks: Chinese A.Netters – what is this snack I’m obsessed with?)


(“Second” meal)

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d) Inflight Entertainment:
IFE on China Southern really surprised me. I guess I had this pre-conceived notion of it being limited … but far from it. It consisted of around 40 movies in AVOD format. The quality and quantity of movies were diverse and I was amused to find the presence of a significant amount of French and Indian movies (kinda random). There was also an ample selection of TV shows and music choices – in fact, some of the music was very “Chinese” English selections. See the pictures below to form your own opinion. Another impressive thing about the IFE was the amount of information on China Southern, and the presence of duty-free on the screen.

While the quality of the head-set was not Bose-like, it was pretty good nevertheless. It is sort of what Lufthansa gives you … comes with the seat, and you put in your own cover. The in-flight magazine was glossy … but lacking a selection of well written English articles.

(IFE Screen)

*

*

*

*

*

*

*
(???)

*
(Smart map)

*
(Nearing the drying Lake Tchad)

*
(Route covered – weird flight pattern)

*
(Upon Arrival)

*
(Headphones + Controls)

*
(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.)

*


e) Crew:
Probably the single most surprising aspect of my flight with China Southern came from the crew. In my past experience with Chinese crew, they have been mediocre without a deep understanding of customer service. This China Southern crew was hands-down the best I have encountered in all my flying with Chinese carriers. They were very “Asia-like” in their pro-active anticipation of customer needs, and doing significant follow-through. I liked how attentive they were during the boarding process, how they checked in with the passengers ever so often, the prompt response to the call button, and most importantly, a true desire to make the passenger feel at home. When I went to the self-service bar to pick my new favorite snack, a crew member immediately came to my seat with 4 more packets!

They were definitely a reserved lot, and not sure of what to do with compliments. When I went to the purser to report my observations, they were genuinely happy and each of them came by one after the other during the flight to thank me for my kind words. Aawww. True, they did not have the manicured perfection of the SIA girls, and they felt a tad inexperienced, but whatever was done, was done from the heart. This wins in my book every time.

Of course, the crew was not perfect. First of all, they could do with a serious crash course in English. I could barely understand some of their in-flight announcements, and even struggled to understand/communicate during one-on-one conversations.

By the way, I found out from the crew that CZ used to do very well on this flight until EK went double daily to LOS. Apparently, according to their management, this route is now done for “friendship purposes”. I love Chinese foreign policy and the explanation to the rank and file.

IV> Post-Flight:
Arrival into Dubai was smooth and I was profusely greeted and thanked as I disembarked. Dubai airport has become too big for its own good, and it took me a good 35 minutes to get landside from disembarkation.

NONE


V> Impressions + Scores:
Airline enthusiasts usually have a very pre-defined expectation from a carrier. This is based on our individual travels and from being connected to the aviation community. Every now and then, a carrier comes and surprises us and challenges our notion of them. This flight provided that China Southern was one of these carriers. To be honest, I did not have much expectation from the airline. I had flown several Chinese carriers (not CZ) for primarily intra-China and intra-Asia routes, and had been underwhelmed by their service delivery. Mostly, I felt the soft skills in customer service was sorely lacking.

On this instance, I am happy to have been proved wrong. China Southern has a solid product backed by a very good soft product (crew, meals, etc.), and complemented by an above-average hard product (seats, IFE, etc.). Of course, there is room for improvement … and this can start by them improving their abysmal booking site. However, the overall product offered is relatively impressive, and represent a strong value proposition for the customer.

China Southern becomes the first Chinese airline that I can say I will be flying again in the future. I will seek them out on competing routes and recommend others to do the same. A thumb and half up.



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
8.66: Brussels Airlines (93): FIH-BRU: 01/2010
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.63: Jet Airways (88): JFK-BRU: 10/2009
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.36: Kingfisher (98): BOM-HKG: 01/2010
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.64: Royal Jordanian (91): AMM-YUL: 12/2009
7.61: China Southern (103): LOS-DXB: 04/2010
7.57: Pakistan Airlines (102): ORD-BCN: 06/2010
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.25: Iran Air (88): BOM-IKA: 12/2009
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.52: Emirates (99): LHR-DXB: 02/2010
6.39: South African (97): EZE-JNB: 01/2010
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.29: TAM Brasil (96): POA-EZE: 02/2010
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.21: Iberia (87): BOS-MAD: 10/2009
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.88: African Express (89): DXB-NBO: 11/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: SATA Azores (101): BOS-PDL: 04/2010
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.54: Ethiopian Airlines (95): ADD-BOM: 01/2010
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
7.00: LAN (94): IPC-SCL: 01/2010
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.98: Air Koryo (100): PEK-FNJ: 04/2010
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.37: Felix Airways (92): SCT-SAH: 12/2009
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Amenity Kit – the whitening product was a tad scary)



Live, and let live.
57 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBlythy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

heh, fantastic. Sky sports news, in an airport thousands of miles away. They either really need to know urgent information, such as what's happening outside of st james's park at half ten at night, or they just really dig georgie thompson.

User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Blythy (Reply 1):
heh, fantastic. Sky sports news, in an airport thousands of miles away. They either really need to know urgent information, such as what's happening outside of st james's park at half ten at night, or they just really dig georgie thompson.

= LOL. You do have a good eye. Who is Georgie Thompson?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineVVanderlust From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Another great TR! I always look forward to your comments and pics. Please keep them coming!

User currently offlineconcordechild From Italy, joined Aug 2009, 45 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi Alex

great report as usual..... were there many passengers disembarking in DXB or vast majority going on??


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi Alex,

great report. You always make it special, both routing and airline combo! Well done again   

The seating on CZ A330 is similar to what I'm used to on JAL's Business/Seasons class. These seats are made by B/E Aerospace.

JAL:


And as usual a well detailed overview on this flight. I am also impressed by the quantity of meals, and surprised by the good CZ crew. I must say, stories I hear about CZ here about their product on the B777's (CAN-AMS) are not always very positive  

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wonderful report, thanks for posting. I've always been sort-of fascinated with LOS. Do you have any other pictures of the city you can share with us?

User currently offlinevietsky From Vietnam, joined Nov 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Another great trip report. I always have wondering about Chinese products but I think it is great.

Btw, I have been following your many T/R, and I have watched the movie "Up in The Air". Have u watch that movie?

does your travel is something similar?  

Vietsky


User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting VVanderlust (Reply 3):
Another great TR! I always look forward to your comments and pics. Please keep them coming!

= Thanks a lot. I will try ... they do take time  .

Quoting concordechild (Reply 4):
Hi Alex

great report as usual..... were there many passengers disembarking in DXB or vast majority going on??

= None of the JCL pax got off at DXB ... and, I have no idea which of the YCL pax got off at DXB. Sorry.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):

great report. You always make it special, both routing and airline combo! Well done again

= Thanks Eric.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
The seating on CZ A330 is similar to what I'm used to on JAL's Business/Seasons class. These seats are made by B/E Aerospace.

= Eric, which other airlines use this? Doesn't KL/NWA have these as well?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
And as usual a well detailed overview on this flight. I am also impressed by the quantity of meals, and surprised by the good CZ crew. I must say, stories I hear about CZ here about their product on the B777's (CAN-AMS) are not always very positive

Regards
Eric

= Really, what have you heard?

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 6):
Wonderful report, thanks for posting. I've always been sort-of fascinated with LOS. Do you have any other pictures of the city you can share with us?

= Sadly, it was mostly a work trip, and I stayed near the airport ... getting into LOS proper is a major pain during another "go slow" ... have you been to Africa before?

Quoting vietsky (Reply 7):
Another great trip report. I always have wondering about Chinese products but I think it is great.

= Thanks.

Quoting vietsky (Reply 7):

Btw, I have been following your many T/R, and I have watched the movie "Up in The Air". Have u watch that movie?

does your travel is something similar?

= I have Mr. Clooney beat   ... though, no "Concierge Key" for us poorfolk. BTW, are you based in VietNam?

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 5):
The seating on CZ A330 is similar to what I'm used to on JAL's Business/Seasons class. These seats are made by B/E Aerospace.

They look exactly similar to the one I had on TG's A346 too, I think. Just a change of colour...



One way I will fly around the world!
User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wow great trip report as always!

So did you actually watch "My Airhostess Roommate"???

Seems like a great movie to watch on a plane!


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6938 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32737 times:

Hi Alex,

great report as usual. Good to see CZ offered a high-quality product, I have heard quite the opposite numerous times. Probably you got one of their newest A332s, hard to say from the pictures.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
surely, I am wrong here … this is a city of 16 million people?!

And the vast majority is very poor.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I smiled back and said, “sorry … no money this time. Others have already claimed it”. We shared a laugh and he let me go.

  

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
IFE on China Southern really surprised me. I guess I had this pre-conceived notion of it being limited … but far from it. It consisted of around 40 movies in AVOD format. The quality and quantity of movies were diverse and I was amused to find the presence of a significant amount of French and Indian movies (kinda random). There was also an ample selection of TV shows and music choices – in fact, some of the music was very “Chinese” English selections. See the pictures below to form your own opinion. Another impressive thing about the IFE was the amount of information on China Southern, and the presence of duty-free on the screen.

Very impressive. Do you know whether PTVs were available in Y Class?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32723 times:

Quoting burj (Reply 10):
So did you actually watch "My Airhostess Roommate"???

I just had to do a little googling and found:

http://asianmediawiki.com/My_Airhostess_Roommate

which has the trailer.....


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32672 times:

Thanks for the report, very good.

Incidentally, I flew CZ CAN - PVG (or was it SHA?) in F on a 777. The a/c was ex-MH. The seats were super, super old. The service was very so-so, but that was probably because Singapore's 2nd PM was on board with his goons. The prior connecting flight on CZ ZHA - CAN was much better, and the service was very attentive.

Domestically at least, I found the seats on FM's F class in their newer A32Xs are very good, even similar to the one you show here on CZ's international C. Most domestic F seats in China are similar to the domestic F seats in the US. Big, old, leather, and not much of a recline.

I would be very curious to know what Y looked like on this flight. I fly SHA/PVG - PEK frequently on both MU and CA. MU mostly fly their brand new A330s, albeit with no PTVs in Y. CA has some old 777s on the route, also without PTVs, but otherwise it is mostly brand new A330s with PTVs and AVOD. Then you go and take a PEK - SIN flight and it's a very old 767 without IFE even in C.

Will be flying CA PVG - MEL - PVG in September in Y and might do a write up. However, I was cautioned by my Chinese colleagues to take QF via SYD or CX via HKG. Even for their standards CA and MU are unacceptable!

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8588 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32435 times:
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Hi Alex,

Nice report as always. love the sector and carrier, something different and very interesting.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
as soon as I picked up my hand-bag from the X-Ray, the security dude smiled and said, “something for me”. Haha. What is up with this blatant bribe requests?

- Ah, this is the Nigeria we all know  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
a beverage service was offered along with nice thick (branded) cold towels

- Nice! - I'm a sucker for branding.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
IFE on China Southern really surprised me. I guess I had this pre-conceived notion of it being limited … but far from it. It consisted of around 40 movies in AVOD format

- Very impressive, much more than I would have expected.

With regard to the foor, indeed presentation is not so great but the quantity is impressive, you'll not go hungry thats for sure!

Its good to see you have a good crew, I think it's a hit and miss affair though I suspect they will always be a bit better in J.

I flew 2 domestics on Air China in Business a few years back, both sectors were excellent in terms of clean planes, nice crew & food, however an ATH-CDG trip in Y on the same carrier a year or so ago was terrible, awful food and pretty cruddy crew too.

Cheers

Mark



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User currently offlineCysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32393 times:

Haha... Another great trip report , Abrelosojos

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Amenity Kit – the whitening product was a tad scary)

Haha.. Bio-Essence! That 's a Singapore brand!!   I don't know that they provide amenity kits too? 
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(IFE Screen)

*

*

*

*

*

*

*
(???)

*
(Smart map)

*
(Nearing the drying Lake Tchad)

*
(Route covered – weird flight pattern)

*
(Upon Arrival)

*
(Headphones + Controls)

The IFE must have been a Panasonic avionics system.

As usual, thanks for making me hungry!! 


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6671 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32381 times:

Hi Alex!

Excellent report and very interesting, nice pictures as well. Nice to hear that China Southenn exceeded your expectations.

The meals look very good even in presentation.

Looking forward to your next eport.

Quoting Coal (Reply 13):
Incidentally, I flew CZ CAN - PVG (or was it SHA?) in F on a 777. The a/c was ex-MH

All CZ's 777s were delivered new to CZ and all MH's 777s are still with MH.....

The777Man



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 32346 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
All CZ's 777s were delivered new to CZ and all MH's 777s are still with MH.....

Aha! A check on tail B-2053 reveals the a/c was leased to Garuda, which would explain why all the signage was in English and Bahasa Indonesia and not in Mandarin.

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32018 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
There are very few cities that get on my nerves so fast … and sadly, Lagos is one of them.

Coming from such a well traveled person as yourself, it sounds like Lagos could very well be the least desirable city to visit in the entire world!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
the first international coverage out of Lagos … surely, I am wrong here … this is a city of 16 million people?!

A city of 16 million people teeming with pollution, corruption, and deadly diseases, crime, and violence. Moreover there aren't any notable tourist attractions that would appeal to even the most intrepid visitor. Even Pyongyang, Detroit, and Karachi have more to see and do. Are you honestly surprised?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It is amongst the world’s top 5 airlines (by passenger carried)

It is? Ahead of some major American and European airlines like UA, AA, DL, WN, BA, AF, LH, etc.?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
as I picked up my hand-bag from the X-Ray, the security dude smiled and said, “something for me”. Haha. What is up with this blatant bribe requests? I smiled back and said, “sorry … no money this time. Others have already claimed it”.

Sounds a lot like my travels through Egypt. Not nearly enough "baksheesh" to go around!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(FIDS – no comments)

LOL, there are plenty of obsolete/broken FIDS littered throughout major U.S. airports. To think that Nigeria has modern LCD displays while many prominent U.S. airports (ORD and LAX quickly come to mind) still rely on rows of aging TV monitors is appalling...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The in-flight magazine was glossy … but lacking a selection of well written English articles.

Now now, Chinglish can be far more entertaining than the crisp articles you find in Hemispheres or American Way..

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
the crew was not perfect. First of all, they could do with a serious crash course in English. I could barely understand some of their in-flight announcements, and even struggled to understand/communicate during one-on-one conversations.

As a native English speaker, I can say that Chinese is probably as distant from the English language as you can get (learning Spanish was easy, French and Arabic weren't too hard, but it was a herculean task just to be able to say thank you "xie xie" properly..) and I've noticed that the Chinese have a heck of time speaking English properly - just ask one to say "Toys R Us" sometime  .

Oh, and remember that CZ probably remains an "ethnic" carrier with very few Westerners aboard, so speaking English probably isn't all that important most of the time. When I flew KE (a much more established carrier with a huge U.S. presence) on LAX-ICN-PEK and back, the FAs couldn't really speak English at all. They just pointed to different things when it was time to make a decision.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I found out from the crew that CZ used to do very well on this flight until EK went double daily to LOS. Apparently, according to their management, this route is now done for “friendship purposes”. I love Chinese foreign policy and the explanation to the rank and file.

Ahhh yes the folks in Beijing would never want to cut off a direct link to the oil-rich Niger Delta!



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineairpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 957 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 31881 times:

Abrelosojos,

The wierd and wonderful airline-city pair combinations you manage to come up with puts you in a class of your own in this forum...   Thanks for this interesting report that's quite a rarity - CZ looking pretty good. Thanks also for bringing back memories for me of lovely Lagos, a city I had to visit occasionally for 1-2 weeks at a time in my first job. Most of my American colleagues thought it was the pits and disliked the visits intensely, but I kinda liked it for its rough and ready charm - not to mention its ability to shock and surprise however prepared you think you are for it. I would never fail to return home without an "unbelivable" story to tell.

Good old Murtala Mohamad looks the same, but bribery seems to be on the decline. I think 5 was the record number of times I was asked "what have you got for me?" before a flight once: it started at check-in and ended with the baggage handling guy on the tarmac (I had to pay him or my bag, which I had to identify for "security" reasons, would not have been loaded). LOS seemed to have the most "security" check-points I have ever encountered at any airport, but their sole purpose was to extract cash from passengers - security looks as lax as ever from your report. My usual flights out of LOS then would be the red-eye BA departures to London - but even that's unique. On every flight I took, applause would break out - without fail - somewhere on the plane as we lift off, so glad are the passengers that they're leaving Lagos behind. Nowhere else on earth I think.

Cheers,
airpearl

corrects typo

[Edited 2010-08-11 04:23:56]

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 31873 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It is amongst the world’s top 5 airlines (by passenger carried)

It is? Ahead of some major American and European airlines like UA, AA, DL, WN, BA, AF, LH, etc.?

CZ is the largest airline in Asia at least.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Doesn't KL/NWA have these as well?

These ones, definitely not on KLM aircraft. NWA I don't know, never flew them.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 8):
Really, what have you heard?

Just the bad state inside. Dirty carpet, seats, broken parts and many tape repairs of cabin items. Crew is not good in English at all, including the cockpit crew, always funny to hear their conversations with ATC.
These stories already give some opinion about the airline, without even flown on them. So your story is good to show their positive way  



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 31591 times:

Alex
Thank you for an another outstanding and unique report
I enjoyed looking at the photo of the meals, I hardly ever saw so much quantity in any trip report recently.
Lagos is certainly not a city for the faint of heart and let us that bribery is a way of life there , i know i lived in
corrupt countries.


Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Airline enthusiasts usually have a very pre-defined expectation from a carrier. This is based on our individual travels and from being connected to the aviation community.

This one way to see it, I stopped having expectations from any carrier, i live those at the steps of the plane. I live my travels as an unique experience... but this attitude comes from a dinosaur whose first flight was on a DC6.

Keep the good work and i do have expectations for more reports
Christian


User currently offlineglobetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 379 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 31287 times:

Hi there Alex,

Sadly, I do not have much time to comment on trip report anymore. However, please rest assured that I always read your trip reports with great enthusiasm!

I especially enjoyed this one: something completely different and quite surprising. My favourite part was the reason for the route: "friendship purposes"!

Thank you as always for all your efforts. Trip reports do not write themselves, so well done!

Globetraveller


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 31160 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Snacks: Chinese A.Netters – what is this snack I’m obsessed with?)

A:

My Chinese colleague here in the office tells me those are Honey Roasted, Hickory smoked Pecans. She says you can pretty much get them at any Chinese grocery here in the US.

Regards,

L.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 31054 times:

Quoting initious (Reply 9):
They look exactly similar to the one I had on TG's A346 too, I think. Just a change of colour...

= You know what ... I did not pay attention, but I think you're absolutely right  !

Quoting burj (Reply 10):
So did you actually watch "My Airhostess Roommate"???

= I wanted to so bad ... but without subtitles, it would have been kinda weird.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
great report as usual. Good to see CZ offered a high-quality product, I have heard quite the opposite numerous times. Probably you got one of their newest A332s, hard to say from the pictures.

= Actually, I had also heard a lot of negative things on most Chinese carriers, and my own experiences had been usually negative ... until this one.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
And the vast majority is very poor.

= True ... but Nigeria has incredible amount of wealth and wealthy ...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
Very impressive. Do you know whether PTVs were available in Y Class?

= PH, sadly, I did not make it to YCL. I was too busy with doing work ... normally, I almost always do this. However, we got off from 2L and I am pretty sure they were IFE units.

Quoting burj (Reply 12):

I just had to do a little googling and found:

http://asianmediawiki.com/My_Airhost...mmate

= Ok, maybe I did not need subtitles! This show is hilarious! Doesn't it remind you of that Korean show on flight crew? I forget the name.

Quoting Coal (Reply 13):

Incidentally, I flew CZ CAN - PVG (or was it SHA?) in F on a 777. The a/c was ex-MH. The seats were super, super old. The service was very so-so, but that was probably because Singapore's 2nd PM was on board with his goons. The prior connecting flight on CZ ZHA - CAN was much better, and the service was very attentive.

= I think you did a report on some CZ flights no? Does their 777 still have old seats?

Quoting Coal (Reply 13):
Will be flying CA PVG - MEL - PVG in September in Y and might do a write up. However, I was cautioned by my Chinese colleagues to take QF via SYD or CX via HKG. Even for their standards CA and MU are unacceptable!

= LOL. I would NEVER fly MU again. I had the most horrible experience flying them on LAX-SHA-BKK and am forever scared by it  . Come on, you MUST do a report. Did you already buy the ticket on them ... or were your colleagues able to convince you to do otherwise.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
as soon as I picked up my hand-bag from the X-Ray, the security dude smiled and said, “something for me”. Haha. What is up with this blatant bribe requests?

- Ah, this is the Nigeria we all know

= Absolutely. I actually quite enjoy it now as I have made peace with how charming it can be.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
- Nice! - I'm a sucker for branding.

= Me too!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
Its good to see you have a good crew, I think it's a hit and miss affair though I suspect they will always be a bit better in J.

= Yup. I think its great that this crew knows that JCL pax help drive revenue ... unlike some airlines I have flown of late.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 14):
I flew 2 domestics on Air China in Business a few years back, both sectors were excellent in terms of clean planes, nice crew & food, however an ATH-CDG trip in Y on the same carrier a year or so ago was terrible, awful food and pretty cruddy crew too.

= This is exactly right! Did you read my report last year on CA's YCL service on FRA-PEK? Absolutely atrocious. BTW, did you do a report on ATH-CDG? I can't seem to find it.

Quoting Cysafan (Reply 15):
Haha.. Bio-Essence! That 's a Singapore brand!! I don't know that they provide amenity kits too?

= I learn something everyday! Ya - the crew was slightly embarassed giving me whitening product  . I think it is perhaps the only airline that gives whitening cream.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
Excellent report and very interesting, nice pictures as well. Nice to hear that China Southenn exceeded your expectations.

= It seems I was not the only one surprised by the high level of service.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Coming from such a well traveled person as yourself, it sounds like Lagos could very well be the least desirable city to visit in the entire world!

= Hmm ... it comes close  . There are a few others that I cannot stand ...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
A city of 16 million people teeming with pollution, corruption, and deadly diseases, crime, and violence. Moreover there aren't any notable tourist attractions that would appeal to even the most intrepid visitor. Even Pyongyang, Detroit, and Karachi have more to see and do. Are you honestly surprised?

= Pyongyang is actually quite pleasant. I have never been to Deitroit, and Karachi was never my thing. In fact, Karachi is much like Lagos ... Clifton and Clifton Beach withstanding. Pakistan does have plesant cities though - Islamabad and Lahore for example. Islamabad if you want a santized version of Pakistan (as much as you can) ... and Lahore with its incredible amount of sheer color around its old areas. Love it.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Sounds a lot like my travels through Egypt. Not nearly enough "baksheesh" to go around!

= Haha - I think I should assign you to pick cities that get on my nerves. I can tolerate Cairo because I am usually there to see my Egyptian friend  . It is such a sad introduction to Egypt though ... the moment you leave Cairo, the entire country becomes friendly and nice!

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Now now, Chinglish can be far more entertaining than the crisp articles you find in Hemispheres or American Way..

= I don't think there was ANY English though  .

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
As a native English speaker, I can say that Chinese is probably as distant from the English language as you can get (learning Spanish was easy, French and Arabic weren't too hard, but it was a herculean task just to be able to say thank you "xie xie" properly..) and I've noticed that the Chinese have a heck of time speaking English properly - just ask one to say "Toys R Us" sometime .

Oh, and remember that CZ probably remains an "ethnic" carrier with very few Westerners aboard, so speaking English probably isn't all that important most of the time. When I flew KE (a much more established carrier with a huge U.S. presence) on LAX-ICN-PEK and back, the FAs couldn't really speak English at all. They just pointed to different things when it was time to make a decision.

= I agree ... but I think English needs to be learnt as there are safety implications as well. Agree also on KE staff ... though to be fair, they have improved seriously in their English speaking abilities.

Moreover, it is not only some of the Asian carriers ... I have heard atrocious English in many Latin carriers ... most noticeably in Avianca.

Quoting airpearl (Reply 19):
Abrelosojos,

The wierd and wonderful airline-city pair combinations you manage to come up with puts you in a class of your own in this forum... Thanks for this interesting report that's quite a rarity - CZ looking pretty good. Thanks also for bringing back memories for me of lovely Lagos, a city I had to visit occasionally for 1-2 weeks at a time in my first job. Most of my American colleagues thought it was the pits and disliked the visits intensely, but I kinda liked it for its rough and ready charm - not to mention its ability to shock and surprise however prepared you think you are for it. I would never fail to return home without an "unbelivable" story to tell.

Good old Murtala Mohamad looks the same, but bribery seems to be on the decline. I think 5 was the record number of times I was asked "what have you got for me?" before a flight once: it started at check-in and ended with the baggage handling guy on the tarmac (I had to pay him or my bag, which I had to identify for "security" reasons, would not have been loaded). LOS seemed to have the most "security" check-points I have ever encountered at any airport, but their sole purpose was to extract cash from passengers - security looks as lax as ever from your report. My usual flights out of LOS then would be the red-eye BA departures to London - but even that's unique. On every flight I took, applause would break out - without fail - somewhere on the plane as we lift off, so glad are the passengers that they're leaving Lagos behind. Nowhere else on earth I think.

Cheers,
airpearl

= Airpearl - glad I can bring a value enhance A.Net by my weird and wonderful airline city pairs ... hang around, I do have a few nice ones up my sleeve  . So what exactly do you do? You have got me all curious.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 20):
Just the bad state inside. Dirty carpet, seats, broken parts and many tape repairs of cabin items. Crew is not good in English at all, including the cockpit crew, always funny to hear their conversations with ATC.
These stories already give some opinion about the airline, without even flown on them. So your story is good to show their positive way

= They fly the 777 to AMS right?

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 21):
Alex
Thank you for an another outstanding and unique report
I enjoyed looking at the photo of the meals, I hardly ever saw so much quantity in any trip report recently.
Lagos is certainly not a city for the faint of heart and let us that bribery is a way of life there , i know i lived in
corrupt countries.

= Where did you live?

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 22):

Sadly, I do not have much time to comment on trip report anymore. However, please rest assured that I always read your trip reports with great enthusiasm!

= I remain flattered. Thank you.

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 22):
I especially enjoyed this one: something completely different and quite surprising. My favourite part was the reason for the route: "friendship purposes"!

= Ya. There is an amazing sense of naiveness amongst the Chinese rank and file about their goverment and her role in the world. I find it fascinating to contrast it with India where people would roll their eyes and have a multitude of conspiracy theories on maintaning routes.

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 22):
Trip reports do not write themselves, so well done!

= You got that right  .

Thanks all for reading.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
25 Post contains images abrelosojos : = L, Thank you so much! Now, I need to make a trip to the U.S. to stock up on these ... wonder what CCS customs may think . I will also have to go to
26 MHTripple7 : Thanks for another excellent TR! Yeah... I have yet to hear anyone say anything good about this place. Ahh Expedia.... never fails! But yes, websites
27 EkA380 : Hey Abrelosojos, Another very well written report. CZ is an airline which at least I didn't know much about and its great to know that there are still
28 AI151 : Hi Alex, yet another great TR with excellent detail and pictures to support it. You really are a sucker for these types of flights (that's meant in a
29 BA319-131 : - Yep, read your TR, I'd not look at taking CA longhaul in Y at the moment. No TR for the ATH-CDG, the camera memory stick broke and I lost thousands
30 airbuseric : Yes AMS is now a daily B772 from CAN via BJS to AMS v.v. In the early years this route was even flown on the 763's, can you imagine!
31 Post contains images WhereToNext : Alex, Thanks again for a great TR! Its been a 5th freedom frenzy on the TR forum lately. That's quite some distance to take a weekend trip! Is Lagos t
32 burj : I'm going to have to go to the local "Asian Store" and see if they have these...
33 The777Man : That makes sense; I'm sure those CZ 777s were worked very hard during Hadj when they flew for Garuda. The777Man
34 Post contains images Coal : I did one on MU I think... I have also done one or two on FM and CA domestic, but always in Y. Never got a chance to do the report while in F. Yeah,
35 Post contains images flightsimboy : Another great report down, and tons of more to go
36 777way : True CZ had even gone to the extent of suspending LOS for a whole year.
37 tk747 : Great to see so many photos of LOS airport, the lounge however looks terrible. CZ is better then I thought! Thanks for sharing.
38 Post contains images N751PR : Another awesome 5th freedom TR! Been curious as to what LOS looks like airside. I also recall being in DXB a few days after they started the CAN-DXB f
39 Post contains images abrelosojos : = Weird isn't it. A country that has advanced physical infrastructure so rapidly, and yet cannot provide a basic functional website. = I would normal
40 AI151 : Well when i go to India, I'm normally in Kolkata. Will be thee between 10-19 Sept. Looking forward to seeing what this new T3 looks like as well when
41 Post contains images burj : Got a chance to visit the Asian store today and couldn't find them. I asked the people who worked there and they weren't really sure what I was talki
42 gabrielchew : Very interesting report. I think all the new routes Chinese carriers are noew flying in Africa is a shape of things to come. CHina has come such a lon
43 faucett : Alex As always, a great TR. CZ seem to be getting their act together, and that is always great. I have a soft spot for airlines that wish to excel....
44 abrelosojos : = I hope you are able to do the entire transfer process. My friend at DIAL tells me that domestic operations do not move to T3 until the end of Septe
45 777way : The suspsension I was referring to happened over a year ago, the flights you cant find now are due to a second period of suspension that even I wasnt
46 Avianca : Alex, a great report as always! lol, I am wondering if they get their studys at the " Guardia Nacional and Police" in Venezuela... at least I can good
47 MSS658 : Nice trip report. It looks like CZ treated you better than CA last year. I don't know what that snack was but I have seen it on other trip reports (I
48 abrelosojos : = Haha. Funny thing is that I have never had any problem with the Venezuelan Guardia Nacional. And, I use multiple passports ... = You're absolutely
49 lewis : Great trip report! Lagos was a mess but I enjoyed my trip there almost! a year ago. Was surprised they let you take pictures of the terminal, when I t
50 Post contains images abrelosojos : = May I ask why you were there? It cannot be for vacation ... unless you're mad ... which I understand . = Ya - I have this very "let's see what they
51 lewis : It was for vacation. A Nigerian friend of mine from the UK decided to do a wedding in Lagos as well for all his family and I was one of the best men,
52 Post contains images abrelosojos : = Hey man ... I totally relate . BTW, did you go elsewhere in Nigeria? Saludos, A.[Edited 2010-10-27 19:20:05]
53 lewis : Nah, stayed around Lagos for the most part of it. The farthest I went was Agaja beach to the west of the city, it was just us and some fishermen that
54 MSS658 : It has been quite a long time ago. But if I'm not mistaking, It was PH's report from TXL to PEK.
55 Lufthansa747 : I flew CZ PEK-URC-PEK on the flight that continues to IKA. Great service and meal PEK-URC, dismal on the way back. Will probably post a report.
56 Post contains links PlaneHunter : Here's the HU review and a report about MU which was not bad at all: Striking Newcomer: Berlin-Beijing On Hainan A330 (by PlaneHunter Nov 22 2008 in
57 NZ107 : Hi Alex, Another excellent TR. Yet another 5th freedom flight I see! It does show that these Chinese airlines are improving.. I guess one thing would
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