BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 623 posts, RR: 5 Posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13146 times:
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I'm not a big fan of organized, mass tourism, and to be honest, I'm even a bit allergic to it. However, after my trip to Ukraine in May (report here : Ukraine Part 1 : BRU-WAW-ODS And SIP-KBP (Pics) (by BrusselsSouth May 30 2010 in Trip Reports) ), I had promised to my wife that we would spend 10 days under the Turkish sun in an all-inclusive hotel, something she wanted to experience for a long time. So, beating my reluctance, I surfed on the Neckermann Belgium tour-operator website, selecting a few hotels that looked interesting for a family with a 4-year old kid, and asked my wife for the final choice among them.
To exorcise my apprehension for that kind of "travel", I decided to put myself in the skin of a stupid tourist and to base my resort and hotel selection on futile criteria such as the shape of the pool, the size of the buffet and the look of the beach. Oh, and the price, also...
As for the flights, it's not like the aforementioned website would give me any choices. All I had to do was to select my dates of travel and read the small characters in the conditions :
"the flight will be operated by one of : Air Malta, Brussels Airlines, Condor, Iberia, Iberworld, JetairFly, Jet4You, Kenya Airways, LTU, Lufthansa, Nouvelair, Pegasus, Royal Air Maroc, Sky Airlines, TAM, TAP, Thomas Cook Airlines, Transavia, Tunisair, XL Airways France, Air Berlin, Icelandair, Jet Airways, AMC Aviation, British Airways, Bulgarian Air Charter, Cathay Pacific, Cyprus Airways, El Afriqiyah, Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiad Airlines, Estonian, LOT Polish Airlines, KLM, Malaysian Airlines, Air Mauritius, Martinair, Olympic Airways, Qatar Airways, Singapore Airlines, Air Namibia, TNT Airlines, Thai International Airways, Turkish Airlines, Air Transat, United Airlines, Viking Airlines, Air Via and Vietnam Airlines. We will notify you of the exact airline before departure".
And sure enough, one week before departure, I received an e-mail containing my travel documents and flight times. Early morning departure, late evening return, and guess what ? Of all the airlines in the list, we didn't get Qatar Airways or Singapore Airlines, but... Pegasus Airlines (not that I had expected anything else ).
So, here's what I found after a bit of googling. Founded in 1990 by Aer Lingus and a couple of Turkish investors, Pegasus began as a purely charter airline. It experienced years of growth and was profitable when Aer Lingus sold its shares to a Turkish bank in 1994, making it a fully Turkish owned company. In 1997, it became the first Turkish airline to order B737 NG's directly from Boeing. In 2005, it was bought by Istanbul based ESAS Holdings, an investment company active in food, health and retail sectors, but also in aviation through shares in Air Berlin (15.3 %), Izmir based IZair and helicopter operator MedAir. The first scheduled flights were launched in November of the same year.
Today, Pegasus has become an important player on the Turkish aviation scene, with a fleet of 25 Boeing 737 aircraft (plus A319/A320s operated for IZair), operating scheduled flights to domestic and European destinations from Istanbul's Sabiha Gökçen airport, as well as a sizable charter division. It has its own maintenance and training facilities.
Having not flown a charter airline for more than 10 years, I didn't know what to expect, and was actually pleasantly surprised by Pegasus. It may not be a 5 star airline, but the overall experience is certainly better than your average euro-LCC flight, and getting a hot meal on an intra-European flight is becoming a luxury these days.
Pegasus flight PGT5328
From BRU - Brussels, Belgium
To AYT - Antalya, Turkey
STD 05:55 - STA 10:35 (time zone +1) - On time
Boeing 737-800, registration unknown (would be *very* interested if someone had a way to find it )
Pegasus flight PGT5541
From AYT - Antalya, Turkey
To BRU - Brussels, Belgium
STD 20:20 - STA 23:20 (time zone -1) - 35 min delay on departure, arrival on time
Boeing 737-86N, TC-AAR, CN28624 / LN585
Approximate routings, based on some points taken with my handeld GPS (outbound in yellow, inbound in blue).
A scheduled departure time of 05:55 AM meant an early wake-up and an easy drive to Brussels Airport on almost empty highways. Add a few hours and it can get very busy around the airport, especially on the Brussels "Ring" highway. We left the car in the "Front Park 3" to take advantage of the special 79 Euros for 10 days offer, and walked down the long hallway to the terminal, this park being further away from the terminal than "Front Park 1" and "2". Although check-in for our flight was in progress in the main check-in hall, I decided to have a look at the "new" check-in hall, which is basically the old 1958 terminal after renovation. It was the first time I went in since its opening in March and it didn't impress me much. Granted, it's clean and modern, but a little to white for my taste, not to mention a somewhat cheap feeling. With 36 check-in counters, it mostly handles holiday (charter) flights and hosts tour-operator desks.
Back to the check-in counter for our Pegasus PGT5328 flight to Antalya :
Judging by the queue, a packed plane could be expected, but fortunately, the well-organized process limited the wait to less than 10 minutes before a friendly agent handed us out our boarding passes.
We were to depart from Pier B, which is adjacent to the main terminal building and used for all non-Schengen flights. Pier A, handling intra-Schengen flights, is much further afield and requires a long walk, but is also arguably more modern. We don't have to queue at all for passport control and security check, thanks to the numerous active lanes and efficient agents.
In the summer, the 05:00 – 07:30 time range can get busy with the morning wave of holiday flights. As an example, today I count no less than 25 charter departures during that period, 9 for JetairFly, 6 for Thomas Cook Airlines, the rest being a mix of Corendon Airlines, Pegasus, TNT Airways, Tailwind and Freebird. This is in addition to the 18 or so scheduled flights in the same interval. A peek out of the windows didn't reveal anything extraordinary, the most "exotic" departures being a Syrian Arab A320 to Damascus and Alep, and a JetairFly 738 to Ilha do Sal and Boavista in Cape Verde (at 4500 km, a long sector in a 737 !).
We grabbed some coffee and ate a couple of croissants watching our son having fun in the nice playground of the gates area. Boarding was called soon after the last drop of coffee. Unfortunately, the airbridge configuration prevented me from getting our 737-800's registration. All I could see was that we were parked beside TC-AAR, a company 738 which would incidentally be our ride for our return home, ten days later.
TC-AAR, through the terminal window.
As expected, our flight was so packed that I couldn't spot a single free seat anywhere in the cabin. Seats were leather, legroom was standard for charter flights (i.e. not much), all in all acceptably comfortable without being really good. The cabin seemed well maintained, save for a few dirty details here and there, such as this old chewing gum stuck in my seat pocket. Audio controls were installed into the armrest, but they didn't seem to control anything.
- This should give you an idea of the legroom inside this Boeing 737-800.
Flight attendants had Turkish names, but spoke very good Dutch and French, covering the native languages of probably 100% of the passengers. They seemed to be doing their job professionally without being especially friendly. A manual safety demo was carried out in Dutch and French (I don't remember whether there was an English and Turkish version), during the taxi to runway 25R in glorious sunrise light.
- JetairFly B737-5K5 OO-JAT at the start of her take-off roll on rwy 25R.
Entering the active (25R)
The long take-off roll hinted at the high combined weight of a cabin full of holiday makers with their luggage and fuel for a 3 and half hours flight.
- Brussels Airport visible in the upper left corner.
A breakfast tray was served 30 minutes after departure, consisting in two different kinds of bread with jam, cheese and strawberry yoghurt, with the accompanying choice of soft drinks or tea/coffee. Again, nothing really special, but still a welcome breakfast.
The flight took us across Germany, southern Czech Republic, southwest Slovakia, Hungary, western Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey. Facing the sun reduced my photographic opportunities, but here are a couple of shots out of the window :
The military airfield of Beauvechain (EBBE), 13NM SE of BRU.
- Airfield of Namest (LKNA), Czech Republic.
- Usak airport, Turkey (LTBO).
3 hours and 20 minutes after take-off, we passed directly over our destination airport and began a long (16 minutes) final approach over the sea, concluding it by a smooth landing on Antalya's runway 36C.
Suburbs of Antalya, a few seconds before touchdown.
- Corendon B737-86J TC-TJH
Donavia Il-86 RA-86124 squeezed between two Nordwind 767s.
After a short taxi, we docked at a Terminal 1 airbridge, beside a Transavia 737, a LOT Charters 737, and no less than two Atlant-Soyuz Il-86's, the Antalya area resorts being very popular with Russian holiday makers.
Atlant-Soyuz Il-86 RA-86138
Transavia B737-8K2 PH-HZE
LOT Charters B737-45D SP-LLE
Arriving in Antalya
The airport gave me a good impression : modern and clean, without long waits, save for the chaotic lines at the visa desks (as Belgians, we had to buy visas for 15 Euros each). We collected our luggage, took some local cash at one of the ATM's in the arrivals hall, and exited the terminal into the sun-soaked Turkish morning. We were directed by a Neckermann representative to a very large coach parking where a bus was waiting to drive us to our hotel.
Arrivals level at AYT Terminal 1. Above is the departures level.
Terminal 1 baggage reclaim hall.
Terminal 1 landside, seen from the coach park.
One hour later we were dropped off in front of our hotel, the Astoria Sorgun Resort hotel near the city of Side. Although the hotel was nice, with great rooms, lovely gardens, large pool and lots of amenities, I must say that I'm still not convinced by this kind of travel. Granted, all was made to give us a great holiday, but I've got issues with the industrial aspect of mass tourism, and, most of all, I dislike the fact that it's possible to spend a full holiday in Turkey without seeing anything really Turkish. However, I realize that it might just be a matter of personal taste, as most customers seemed to appreciate staying in the hotel, enjoying its so-called "animation program" while sipping beers in plastic glasses or sleeping all day long under a scorching sun without being bothered by the outside world. In the coach back to the airport, I overheard in amazement the conversation of a couple who had not left the hotel for their entire two weeks vacation, and who were surprised to discover through the bus window that there are mosques in Turkey...
- BrusselsSouth Jr and Sr.
That's me, watching...
...the daily evening photo shooting session on the hotel beach.
The city of Manavgat and its surroundings
Anyway, after five or six days of trying to live and enjoy this all-inclusive tourist life, I decided it was time to pass the exit door and see by myself how this part of Turkey really looks. I grabbed the first available rental car I found, called my wife and son, turned air conditioning on and took the road. As I hadn't prepared anything, we just drove more or less randomly and visited the town of Manavgat and its surroundings.
Fountain in Manavgat.
A random residential street in Manavgat.
We then headed due North on secondary roads flirting with impracticability, under a barely bearable heat, to reach the Oymapinar Dam and its lakes. It was fun to pass through remote villages, with the turquoise color of the water putting a most beautiful touch on the predominantly burnt mountainous landscape.
- The Oymapinar dam.
Catching sight of a boat boarding jetty, we decided to make a boat tour on the lake, only to learn that boats were reserved for organized groups. We had no choice but to get back in our car, heading back to the hotel, this time using the main, touristic road on which we encountered a number of touristic coaches.
Close to the coast, we paid a visit to the crowded but still nice Manavgat waterfall. We ate at a correct restaurant overlooking the falls, with the proximity of the water giving an enjoyable sensation of freshness. Getting back to the car, we were ripped off by insane prices in one of the numerous souvenir shops.
The fall seen from our restaurant table.
Not the cleanest place to take a nap, but this gentleman does not seem to care.
All in all, and even though a full month wouldn't be enough to discover the vastness of Turkey, this was a fun day which allowed us to sample very different aspects of the country, from the shiny resorts of the coast to the small, apparently poor countryside villages, to the average-sized and relatively modern city of Manavgat.
Back in the hotel, we decided to book an organized excursion so that we could still experience a boat tour on the lake we had just come back from. After dinner, we took the car again to visit the nearby city of Side, which, although lovely at first sight, is nothing more than a vast, crowded souvenir market.
- Could be a good time for a cup of Viagra tea... not that I really need it
Some ancient Greek ruins try to confer the place some historical interest :
We went back to Side the next morning, to enjoy the much more quiet atmosphere, everyone being probably busy forgetting last night's hangover :
The boat excursion could be considered as a tourist trap because of its relatively high price, the low grade food we were served for lunch, the very basic explanations we got in the bus, and the continual requests for tips. However, the landscape was beautiful and swimming in the fresh water in such a nice setting made my day. We made friends with another Belgian couple and had a nice chat with them for a good part of the day. When we went back to the hotel, we had the impression of a day well spent.
BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13129 times:
Finally, the day of the return came. A look at the hotel information board showed a pick up time in the late afternoon. At first, I thought that this was a good thing, as it gave us a full last day at the hotel. However, as the room had to be vacated by noon, it was not possible to go to the pool or the beach anymore. So we tried to kill the afternoon going to the restaurant and bar, reading in the lobby or even having a nap in one of the lounges.
The hotel lobby.
Flights to Belgium from a competing tour-operator displayed in the hotel lobby, including an ungodly pick-up time for a morning flight to Liège
We ended up being relieved when our coach arrived. Some random pics taken through the window along the way.
After a drive of around one hour, we were dropped in front of Antalya airport's Terminal 1, operated by ICF Airports, a joint venture between Fraport (the operator of Frankfurt airport) and the Turkish IC Ictas holding.
Opened in 1998, the terminal 1 check-in hall is clean, spacious and modern.
It took a while to check in as the plane was full again, but at least we weren't delayed as the FlyLAL Charters flight to Vilnius on the next counter, which was now estimated at 19:00 instead of the scheduled... 9:20 !
We proceeded upstairs through immigration, fortunately without having to queue, and entered the U-shaped gates area, boasting a correct choice of bars, fast-food restaurants and duty-free shops.
Sorry for the bluriness.
The center of the building is surmounted by a large dome letting natural light in, while a mezzanine gives views on the arrivals level below :
Each gate waiting lounge is equipped with a security check point, instead of the central security control area found at most other airports.
We queued for the security check, and entered our departure lounge. The place is a bit on the basic side, with drinks vending machines as the only amenities.
At least, it offered good views of the apron, but there wasn't much traffic to see in the direction the windows were facing.
Turkish Airlines A320-232 TC-JLL, being prepared for its next departure to Moscow-Sheremetyevo.
Norwegian B737-33A LN-KKB being pushed back.
It became a bit crowded and confusing when passengers for the Turkish Airlines flight to Moscow-Sheremetyevo began to enter the lounge. A small delay on our side meant that both flights, originally scheduled one hour apart, were now about to board simultaneously :
Once inside our aircraft, B737-86N TC-AAR, I noticed some Spanish text on the seats, revealing the identity of its previous operator, the now defunct Futura Airlines. The seat had a slightly different design from what we got on the outbound leg, but was equally comfortable.
Again, the cabin crew was Turkish, but could speak the two main languages of Belgium. In their preflight P/A, they indicated that they were wearing a badge indicating which language they spoke (Dutch or French). Although it was the end of the day, they seemed friendly and motivated, more than on our previous week flight.
As we were slightly behind schedule, we made what was possibly the fastest taxi I ever experienced, to runway 36R at the opposite corner of the airport. As it was dark outside, I didn't take any pictures, but I saw some interesting metal, such as two Red Wings Tu-204, Turkuaz Air A320, and a couple of Russian birds, including Tu-154s and Yak-42s.
The take-off roll was very long because of the full load. The dinner service began not long after, with a hot meal consisting in pasta, carrot salad and dessert, plus hot breads being served separately from a tray. All in all, the meal was unexpectedly tasty. Drinks and refills were offered, and I had an OJ, a coke then a coffee.
Finally, after a 3 hours and 30 minutes flights above Istanbul, Bulgaria, Serbia, the Lake Balaton, Austria, then Frankfurt, it was time to prepare for our approach to Brussels runway 25R. We landed around 23:25, parked at a gate on Pier B, and made the long walk to immigration. Surprisingly, we had to wait forever to get our luggage, which was an unpleasant experience with children becoming really tired.
We then went back to our car at the remote "Front Park 3", where I actually realized that I had left the parking payment ticket in the car, meaning I had to run between the car park and payment machines in front of the terminal thrice...
Now, time for conclusions :
Brussels Airport is a good airport (this hasn't changed from my previous reports ). The refurbished check-in hall extension looks uninspired, but helps coping with the summer traffic surge. The only complaint here would be the insane amount of time needed for our baggage to arrive on the carousel.
Antalya Airport is OK too. It is clearly designed to cope with the important flows of holiday makers in the summer and does a good job at it. It looks clean and modern (I've only used Terminal 1) and has sufficient amenities to satisfy the leisure travelers.
I was actually pleasantly surprised. Charter flights with Pegasus are quite decent, with nice meals and crews. The seats are standard but my overall feeling is better than with LCC's. Their livery is not to my taste, but who cares ?
All-inclusive holiday packages and Turkey
I would separate both. What I saw of the "real" Turkey motivates me to go back someday and make a proper visit, as this seems to be a great, interesting country. On the other hand, the concept of mass tourism is one I disliked and continue to dislike. This trip confirms my impression of tourist trap, bad food, booze abuse, and, more important to me, total disrespect for local culture. But I've talked to quite a few defenders of this form of "travel" and can understand their points, it's just not my thing.
rcaq From Austria, joined Aug 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12576 times:
Thanks for sharing - It kinda reminds me of my childhood - The annual Turkey visit for friends and families - and Resort stuff - Yet, I still like the exotic Turkish stuff - even tho PGT is among the solid performers IMO -
Other than that, yea, I'm with you on the typical mass tourism stuff by European standards (the Greece, Spain, Turkey...mass tourism stuff is what you're talking about, I guess) -
gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11975 times:
Hi, nice report and pictures.
Enjoyed it especially as I am off to Turkey myself next month.
I came so close to booking Pegasus between Istanbul and Bodrum but was put off by the fact that they only allowed 15kgs baggage and didnt really offer an upsize option.
EkA380 From Egypt, joined Aug 2008, 120 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11733 times:
I am very glad I read your report as I do have very similar views about mass tourism and these all in all holiday planning. Booking and selecting the hotel and wandering how it will turn out is the best thing in a trip and I would never give such duties to a tour operator. I agree with you that it is wrong to stay at the resort for like 2 weeks and never experience the real Turkey but I guess these packages are becoming more and more popular as it is considerably cheaper . Anyways I think having options isn't that bad too.
Thank you for the very well documented trip report , I loved the pictures and Anatalya and I surely would love to see that part of Turkey in the near future.
abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5006 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11352 times:
Thanks for a report that is extremely "exotic" to me . I am impressed by Pegasus' offerings - the food quality and quantity is certainly better than many mainline European "flag" carriers. Also, Anatalya looks like a very modern and nice facility - very appropriate for the crowd it serves.
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Thread starter):
I'm not a big fan of organized, mass tourism, and to be honest, I'm even a bit allergic to it. However, after my trip to Ukraine in May (report here : Ukraine Part 1 : BRU-WAW-ODS And SIP-KBP (Pics) (by BrusselsSouth May 30 2010 in Trip Reports) Wink), I had promised to my wife that we would spend 10 days under the Turkish sun in an all-inclusive hotel, something she wanted to experience for a long time. So, beating my reluctance, I surfed on the Neckermann Belgium tour-operator website, selecting a few hotels that looked interesting for a family with a 4-year old kid, and asked my wife for the final choice among them.
= I have never done this kind of vacation, and am also allergic to these things.
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Thread starter): "the flight will be operated by one of : Air Malta, Brussels Airlines, Condor, Iberia, Iberworld, JetairFly, Jet4You, Kenya Airways, LTU, Lufthansa, Nouvelair, Pegasus, Royal Air Maroc, Sky Airlines, TAM, TAP, Thomas Cook Airlines, Transavia, Tunisair, XL Airways France, Air Berlin, Icelandair, Jet Airways, AMC Aviation, British Airways, Bulgarian Air Charter, Cathay Pacific, Cyprus Airways, El Afriqiyah, Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiad Airlines, Estonian, LOT Polish Airlines, KLM, Malaysian Airlines, Air Mauritius, Martinair, Olympic Airways, Qatar Airways, Singapore Airlines, Air Namibia, TNT Airlines, Thai International Airways, Turkish Airlines, Air Transat, United Airlines, Viking Airlines, Air Via and Vietnam Airlines. We will notify you of the exact airline before departure".
= LOL. Quite the list!
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Thread starter): I overheard in amazement the conversation of a couple who had not left the hotel for their entire two weeks vacation, and who were surprised to discover through the bus window that there are mosques in Turkey...
= Oh God. I am glad it was you ... and not me. I think I would have launched into a tirade.
Thanks again for this very well documented report.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11029 times:
Hi CRL (hope you don't mind!),
A very interesting report about "how the other half lives"! Some amazing pictures of Turkey plus the resort doesn't look half bad actually.
I don't do package tours or charter flights, and your report reminds me of a few reasons why! In all honesty we did stay at an all-inclusive hotel in Spain for a week last summer and that was the first and frankly also the last time - it was simply a horrible experience. At least the flights were regular scheduled flights booked separately and we had some normal hotel nights at each end of the week to adjust!
I flew Pegasus back in March, I was pretty impressed by them actually, a quite decent carrier with friendly if a bit disorganized crew. The charter experience doesn't look too bad either.
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Thread starter): I overheard in amazement the conversation of a couple who had not left the hotel for their entire two weeks vacation, and who were surprised to discover through the bus window that there are mosques in Turkey...
Geez, it's exactly this kind of ignorant people and their behaviour that give charter flights, package tours and all inclusive resorts and deals such a bad reputation! I don't know whether I'd been shocked or laughing my guts out were I in your shoes...