Sometimes fate deals you great hand of cards - this summer both Finnair and Sun-Air from Denmark, a BA franchise carrier announced their intentions to open, once again, the route between Helsinki and Bromma, Stockholm’s old city airport located far nearer to the city centre than its main airport Arlanda. There would be a total of four flights each weekday, two operated by AY with E170 and two by Sun-Air with, (drum roll...) the FRJ! All services carry both AY and BA flight numbers.
This was of course the perfect opportunity for me to have another shot at flying the FRJ and Sun-Air. As is customary, the AY one way fares were astronomical and roundtrip fares had a min stay requirement - not too well suited for my intentions for a day trip. Luckily BA is much more flexible, and all the flights could be booked under the BA code as one way tickets for around 110 EUR. Not exactly cheap for such a short hop, but perfectly acceptable for a rare plane and a niche carrier.
I chose the earlier of the two Sun-Air flights at noon in order to log some Swedish domestic flights as well - even though I’ve flown into BMA three times before I have never departed from there so that should be interesting. First I fixed my return flight to HEL, the infamous last flight of the day on SK from Arlanda, often called here “The drunkard flight” for obvious reasons. The fare was cheap 42 EUR.
Bromma of course has a good number of obscure Swedish airlines flying domestic services, most of them of the virtual kind operated by a smaller number of real airlines. I had far too many options and new airports to log, looks like I have to do a couple of these trips in the future as well! Anyway I decided to fly into Växjö in southern Sweden as I found a cheap fare of 40 EUR on FlySmaland, another virtual carrier as the flight would actually be operated by Golden Air.
One of the reasons I chose VXO was also the fact that there are lots of airports offering connections back up to Stockholm not too far from it, so it should be possible to log yet another new airport for the return journey. In the end I settled for Rönneby/Karlskrona (RNB) on the southern coast as the train connection there looked the most convenient one with some leeway in the schedules to cater for moderate delays. SAS offered a convenient evening departure straight to ARN for 53 EUR which had more than enough connection time for my pink eye (as opposed to “red eye”) flight to HEL - so I went for it. Finally I booked my train ticket from Växjö to Karlskrona, only 8 EUR from the SJ web site on a pair of local trains, not bad at all.
Here’s the whole route:
A nice noon departure for a change means no need to get up too early and a lazy morning with even time to run a few long overdue errands before heading to the airport, arriving there around 1h20mins before departure. OLCI was not possible for this flight, so it has to be done the traditional way. I find a lone BA check in desk hidden in the middle of closed ones at the main check in hall of T2, and a minute later am holding a boarding pass for my preferred seat 11A with a sequence number of 002. The load is apparently quite light - “It is a new route and a small plane” says the friendly agent - “Yes, I know” I answer.
The main check in hall and departures board of T2, still a very impressive sight after all these years:
I decide to grab an early lunch at the rather nice restaurant on the basement floor of the airport - it caters mainly for people working here and thus the prices are far more reasonable than on the main restaurants and cafes aiming to make a quick buck from busy travelers. Besides it is always nice to eat being surrounded by pilots and some beautiful FAs . Oh well, there are some ramp workers in their dirty coveralls as well, so it is not all that glamorous...
Afterwards I head through the deserted security check, fire off a couple of work-related phone calls and find a nice spot on the corner of the terminal to watch for traffic. Here’s a KL CityHopper E190 pushing back - notice the AY example behind it:
FIDS - noon isn’t exactly a peak time here:
Some Aalto Vases at the appropriately named Aalto Cafe:
This reminds me that it is over a month since I’ve flown my beloved BT - luckily things will change in two weeks:
I spot the inbound landing on runway 15 at 11.15 and a few minutes later it stops right were I expected it to stop - in front of me - guided by a Follow Me -car:
Yes, it is the expected FRJ!
It is pouring outside - the whole morning has been rather wet with frequent showers and an early thunderstorm so the ramp agents are actually carrying the “Delivery at Aircraft” -bags inside the waiting bus in order for them not to get wet before the pax are allowed to deboard - a nice touch!
After watching this I head to the bus gate 21A anticipating that we will board soon. It still takes ten minutes or so before boarding commences. I am the first one to board the bus and do a bit of statistics while watching the other people come onboard the bus - of the 12 total pax on this flight ten are wearing a business attire - only me and a Swedish girl are dressed in casuals - of course as is always the case with the Swedes the gal is dressed more like a fashion model than what most people understand as casual so I’m feeling somewhat scruffy in my jeans and T-shirt... The target audience of this route is obvious, though.
A bit of a wait in front of the plane before they give us the thumbs up - it looks like they want the refueling to be finished before getting pax on board.
Funny, I keep expecting another pair of these engines on each wing - I guess I’m far too used to Avros:
Sun-Air it is:
As per BA policy the young Danish “business friendly” (to borrow Markus’ term) FA is checking boarding passes when boarding - this being so rare here most (all?) of the pax are not prepared and the subsequent shuffling for the cardboard pieces slows the progress down. It is still raining, so the couple of guys in suits behind me are not very amused by this slowness.
Finally getting onboard I sit down on my seat at the penultimate row. This plane has a somewhat different configuration back here than the Cirrus Prop version I flew a month previously. There’s an extra row, 12 with two seats, A and B (I guess) where the galley was with C9. If I had to sit on a middle seat I’d pick that one over any other:
The galley is located in front of the lavatory next to the emergency exit right next to me:
Seats are very comfortable leather ones with just about the best legroom I’ve had for ages in a regular economy seat - it actually is far better than it looks at this picture, the seat pockets are weird floppy ones:
I overhear a couple of other passengers praising the legroom as well so it’s not just me. Right when people are still sitting down the captain announces a flight time of 50 minutes with some moderate turbulence to be expected due to the bad weather both here and Stockholm as well.
Looks like Ryanair is not the only airline with crumbs - this is from the galley floor:
Departure is bang on time at noon and take off from 22R five minutes later. I’m very impressed by the raw power of this little beast - the acceleration and climb rate is even better than on the already-quite-impressive Prop version! The feeling of being squashed against my seat reminds me of good old days of flying AY DC-9s between KUO and HEL - I always had a similar feeling at take off!
Weird weather - quite clear on the western side:
And very gloomy towards the east:
A bit bumpy on climbout as promised by the captain, nothing too bad though. On my last trip Low Cost Red Eye: HEL To BBU And Back Via Detours (by FlyingFinn76 Aug 18 2010 in Trip Reports) we flew through some pretty spectacular clouds after departure - this time mother nature’s display is a bit less grandeur, but still very beautiful:
Service soon commences, I was expecting a drinks round and maybe some cookies but this is what I get:
Note the paper tray cover - a nice little touch.
Later a coffee/tea round follows - I decline but the FA still offers me a small pack of cookies served with the hot drinks - I decline this as well.
Descent starts just 25 minutes after take off, with landing in 20 minutes announced by the flight deck. By the time we are over the Stockholm Archipelago:
Barkaby Airport, a former Swedish Air Force base nowadays used for general aviation:
A grass airfield:
The weather is even worse than HEL:
Oh, there was an airport here after all:
Landing is very hard on runway 12 after 50 minutes of flight time:
A pair of TF Avros:
A DC Saab 2000:
My comfortable seat:
Cabin view - while deboarding as the last pax I thank the FA and tell her: “I’ll take one last shot - it is a very special plane.” - she agrees with me.
OY-NCM will head back to HEL after 45 minutes, then fly back here and finally continue back to its home in BLL. I wonder if it all is done with the same crew?
Stockholm Bromma Airport
Well, it is pouring down so I make my way fast to the terminal building:
Once inside, I head straight to the check in desks - there are combined desks for Malmö Aviation and SN Brussels Airlines and a bunch of desks for Bromma Handling who handle all the other airlines here. No queue at all, so in half a minute I’m holding my mini boarding pass (it’s the same credit card size that TF uses) with free seating written on it.
Surprisingly many flights:
The main check-in (and arrivals as well) hall:
There’s a small aviation store - luckily they didn’t have anything I fancied - I saved the money:
TF’s Yellow Room - the closest thing BMA has to a real lounge:
BMA isn’t the most exciting of places to kill a couple of hours - if it wasn’t raining I’d probably head outside for a short walk but alas I’m stuck inside. So I find a bench and while away an hour with some videos on my Ipod. I head outside, but it is still raining:
Advertising the new route:
With nothing better to do I decide to head to the gate area. Security dumps you right in the middle of the duty free store, which is something I very much dislike. Beyond it the main gate area is surprisingly large:
Oh, sorry, they are not gates, they are “Boardings”. This reminds me of Vueling’s welcome speech where they keep referring to the flight as “Vueling”:
There’s a bar staffed by a very nice Thai girl so I grab a pint there. Afterwards I head to the gate - right when I arrive there boarding is called and again I’m the very first one to pass the gate.
Boarding procedures here are a bit different - basically they tell you the stand number where your aircraft is parked on and you follow the signs and the fenced walkways there - great in good weather, not that great when it is raining and there are huge puddles on the ground - I manage to completely soak my shoes. I think it is time to invest in some Goretex!
Once I reach our assigned stand 14 the captain is there to unlock the fence door and welcome me onboard - I mention my soaked shoes and he gives me a little laugh, I’m still not sure whether it was Schadenfreude or good natured!!
It is the expected Saab 340, completely white, though:
Now this plane is a bit of a mystery to me. SE-KCS was originally delivered as OH-FAB to Finnaviation (of Finland of course!) back in 1986 (which makes this plane almost 24 years old!). Later on it operated for Finnair (who took over Finnaviation), before being transferred to Skyways of Sweden and reregistered as SE-KCS. It has spent time operating for Direktflyg, Highland Airways and even Loganair. The current operator is marked as Avitrans Nordic/Avitrans Leasing.
However this flight is operated under the Golden Air DC flight number, there must be some sort of complex leasing arrangements or whatever behind it. Anyway a new bird for me.
BMA-VXO DC311 Operated by Golden Air Saab 340 SE-KCS Seat 12A 13.55 - 14.51
After I step onboard the young blonde FA says something to me in Swedish which I don’t quite understand. I ask her to repeat it in English, and she says “I see you are taking photos of our beautiful plane!” - “Yes, all nice and white isn’t it!”. There are actually two FAs onboard, I think it is a training flight as the younger one does pretty much all the work with the other one just supervising. Speaking of the FAs I don’t really like their uniforms as they are wearing jeans together with a smart blouse and a scarf. This reminds me too much of the cheesy Niki cabin crew uniforms for comfort.
With free seating I decide to grab seat 12A on the single seat side of the aisle (the configuration is 1-2). The last row has four seats - that would make for the ultimate sleeper seat I think!
I may be wrong but I think the Golden Air Saabs I used to fly a lot in Finland had a lavatory in the back so the last row was in 1-2 configuration as well. But it might just be my memory playing tricks on me.
Seat pitch on these Saabs has always been decent:
The seats (apart from the back row) have Golden Air headrest covers, however the safety instructions card is a NextJet one:
Soon we are welcomed (in Swedish) to “This Flysmaland flight to Växjö, operated in co-operation with Golden Air and NextJet”. Flight time is announced as 55 minutes. I count 18 passengers onboard today.
Departure is five minutes early and take off from runway 12. Some nice views of Stockholm right after take off:
But with the bad weather we soon disappear into the clouds. The first five minutes are rather bumpy, but after finally breaking through the cloud layer it is smooth sailing:
I wasn’t going to indulge in the BOB service, but when I see they have Småland beer I can’t resist and get a can for 40 SEK.
Around 45 minutes into the flight the captain comes on (only in Swedish again), announcing that we will start our descent for Växjö Småland airport “which has autumn weather, rain and 13 degrees.” Due to the weather some heavy turbulence is to be expected, with landing in ten minutes.
Approach is indeed very bumpy, the little Saab is bouncing left and right and the seat in front of me is making annoying and a bit worrying squeaking noises under the weight of the guy sitting there and violent forces shaking our plane - I certainly hope it doesn’t break!
Are we landing on water:
Oh, there’s an airport after all:
Even when right on top of the runway the plane is still shaking a lot and very unstable, but the guys up front certainly earn their pay today and bring us down safe and sound on runway 19 after around 55 minutes of flight time.
A minute or so later we stop on the apron in front of the small terminal.
A JZ Fokker 50 awaiting its flight to ARN:
I dash through the rain inside, through the tiny baggage hall and outside the terminal entrance where the airport bus is just arriving:
The ride is only 20 SEK, cheap and cheerful. All the four of us in the bus appear to be going to the final destination, the combined train and bus station, so the driver takes a shortcut and shuttles us directly there:
I have half an hour or so before my train - but with the rainfall I don’t really want to venture that far. I just hit a nearby ICA supermarket for some supplies and a quick look around - Växjö looks like a nice small Swedish town, shame about the weather.
Right on time an Øresundstog from Copenhagen to Kalmar shows up - anybody who’s ever taken a train from CPH airport will instantly recognize the ugly face of these trains - they remind me of leeches for some reason:
Unfortunately luck isn’t on our side as a couple of stops down the line while stopping at Lessebo it is announced that we will have to wait for 20 minutes for a train passing on the opposite direction which is running late - ahh the joys of single track operations! With less than a ten minute connection to my next train at Emmaboda I’m not amused by this. Luckily they also announce that anybody changing to the Karlskrona train should report themselves to the conductor when she passes through the train.
I do, and she says that she is going to make a call to see if they will wait for us - a couple of minutes later she comes back with the great news that yes, the next train will wait for us - good news for me as otherwise I was in serious risk of missing my next flight!
Finally a freight train passes us to the opposite direction and we continue our journey. At Emmaboda another Øresundstog is waiting, and me and another man board it.
Apparently we are the only passengers as the conductor asks if both of us are going to Karlskrona and after getting a positive answer the train skips the couple of intermediate stops it was supposed to take. Still there are some signaling problems nearer to Karlskrona so in the end we still are ten or so minutes late pulling to the station.
Karlskrona was built on an island as the main base for the Swedish Navy back in 1680, a status which it still retains. The city features some very pretty buildings and baroque architecture which have earned it a place on the Unesco World Heritage list. Too bad I only have less than an hour here before I need to catch the airport bus to RNB, so no time for the naval yards and harbor - I just stick to the city centre located on top of a rather steep hill in the middle of the island. The weather is quite gray and very windy (hmm, should make for an interesting flight!) but at least it is not raining.
This building is apparently bad for you (or maybe you just swim inside):
The turn around is very efficient, and boarding is called only ten minutes after the inbound arrived. With my seat on the last row (thanks to OLCI) I board through the back door - of course everybody else is queuing for the front stairs.
The last row on this side has only two seats - I think this is my new favorite place on these birds. Legroom is quite decent:
The plane has the newer Recaro slimline seats with the trademark SAS blue cloth covers.
Boarding is surprisingly fast and we are good to go at our scheduled departure time despite the delay on the inbound. I have the whole back row for me. Load is around 60%, again most of the pax are packed towards the front. Flight time is announced as 45 minutes.
We sit still for a while with no announcements, but finally depart 12 minutes late and take off from runway 01 less than a minute later. There’s no crosswind runway here, but definitely a very strong crosswind today, so right after getting airborne there’s quite a lot of shaking left and right - a couple of kids actually scream.
Once we break the clouds things get much calmer.
I decide to get a Polarbröd roll with cheese and ham and a coffee - very tasty and hits the spot nicely. Good value for money at 45 SEK as well:
The seat belt sign is switched on again half an hour after departure, with “at stand” in 20 minutes announced. Once we break the clouds again I see we are directly over Gamla Stan in Stockholm:
This means approach from the south and landing on the 01 runways.
The same spot I photographed earlier while departing from Bromma, this time from higher:
Landing is on 01L after around 40 minutes of flight.
The landing lights of at least three planes can be seen right after we vacate the runway:
We dock to a jetway at the end of the domestic terminal 4, bringing this flight to an end:
Stockholm Arlanda Airport
With more than two hours to go I stroll leisurely towards Skycity, where I stop to pick up a prepaid bus ticket from the SJ ticket machines for my upcoming trip two weeks from now. Then I pass security at T5 and go airside to surf for a while on one of the coin-operated Internet terminals - why an earth is it cheaper to use these than buy wifi access with my own laptop!??
Later I decide to grab a final pint, nursing it until we are supposed to be boarding. Well, on the way to the gate I see this:
Oh dear, this is the one flight I really don’t want to have a delay on as it is far too late already. At least the plane is already at the gate, so it most probably is a delay with the inbound crew:
The plane is LN-RPA, “Arnljot Viking”, my third flight with this particular plane and a second one on this very same flight.
Boarding is finally called around our original departure time, with the gate agent announcing “Even though we are still missing the crew we will board now to be ready”. Again I’m the very first one to board.
Inside the jetway I pass the captain who is just donning a fluorescent safety vest to go outside to perform the walk around - at least we have the captain. We also have cabin crew - all very senior and female which is very typical of SAS.
The same slimline seats here as on the previous flight:
Boarding takes quite a while as the load is surprisingly good given the late flight - I’d say around 85% or so. An empty middle seat next to me, though. The captain comes on, announcing that we are still waiting for our FO to arrive from the delayed FRA flight, but he is now on his way here and that shouldn’t take more than 5-10 minutes. The flight time will be around 40 minutes and “we will do everything to speed us up as we all want to go to bed as soon as possible.”.
I nod off while waiting, waking up when we are pushing back half an hour late:
I doze on and off until our take off from 19L and afterwards give in totally, and the next thing I know is that we are on short finals to HEL runway 15, where we land after only about 35 minutes of flight and dock to a jetway at T1 gate 12 just a minute later:
While leaving the plane two FAs and both the captain and FO are saying good night to people in the front galley - I ask “Can I stay overnight here - I slept like a baby?”. Apparently no can do, but I get a chuckle out of them.
Sadly the next bus is twenty minutes away, but I’m too cheap to take a taxi and rough it outside instead. Finally the bus shows up and I get home shortly before two in the morning, dreading the early wake up call.
No doubt who the star was: the FRJ. A very impressive and rare plane. Cabin comfort was very good, even though the Sun-Air example was a bit worn and dirty. The noise inside the cabin was somewhat more than inside an E-jet or an Avro, comparable to sitting on the back rows of an CRJ I think, especially on take off.
Sun-Air surprised me with the good service on this short hop, I guess that is mandated by the BA franchise agreement.
Flysmaland - another one of this small domestic Swedish virtual airlines - nothing special, but nothing bad either.
And finally a couple of perfectly enjoyable short flights with SAS.
Finally Bromma airport - it is certainly a nice historical airport, but I’m not really sure if Stockholm really needs a city airport or not. Thanks to the comfortable, frequent and speedy Arlanda Express train one can reach the center of Stockholm from ARN just as fast as with a taxi from BMA, even though the latter is much closer. Sure, the train costs a lot of money, but people who normally are in a hurry don’t usually need to worry about that kind of costs too much, it’s usually the company who is picking up the tab. Sure, when departing one can just show up at the airport 20 minutes before the flight time and easily make the flight, so that is always good. And BMA does offer a lot of domestic connections to Swedish destinations. Let’s see how this route will do, I think we will see a reduction of daily frequencies after a couple of months. The HEL-BMA route has been operated by various companies in the past and none of them have persisted for long.
In exactly two weeks I’m back in Sweden, doing another similar day trip to log a couple of new airports and a domestic flight with a very interesting “operated by” arrangement: HEL-ARN-KLR/OSK-ARN-RIX-HEL. Stay tuned!
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6757 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11588 times:
very interesting (and long-awaited) report about your trip on this special plane. That FRJ beast is such a nice aircraft! I may try to find a flight on that type next year.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Luckily BA is much more flexible, and all the flights could be booked under the BA code as one way tickets for around 110 EUR. Not exactly cheap for such a short hop, but perfectly acceptable for a rare plane and a niche carrier.
BZNPilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11536 times:
You always have great reports and this one was no exception! Thanks so much for sharing your experiences aboard the rare FRJ. It's a shame that the FRJ is not more common--it is a great looking aircraft in my opinion.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11393 times:
Another great report with very nice pictures! The service on Sun-Air looks very impressive for such a short flight!
The gate area at BMA is somewhat new; my last job in Sweden was on the ramp there and I have visited there once and that was in 1997 or so and that gate area wasn't around then.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Boarding procedures here are a bit different - basically they tell you the stand number where your aircraft is parked on and you follow the signs and the fenced walkways there
That's how it use to be in the1970s as well when LIN was operating there with F28s and CV 440s.
Bad means swimming center in Swedish. Nice looking place to take a swim in though.
Karlskron is a very nice little town where I spent some time doing a field report when I was studiying at Stockholm University.
Ronneby is less scenic but I have been there as well at a resort hotel and flown several times from RNB. LF (LIN) used to have a round robin flight BMA-RNB-KLR-BMA where the RNB-KLR sector only took about 10-15 mins on a F28.
Good legroomon on a SK 736 sounds like a misnomer; seems to good to be true.
I've also had at least one fligt wih LN-RPA as well.
Thanks again for a nice report.
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11192 times:
Nice report there, and interesting routings too.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The jet-powered version of the Dornier 328 regional aircraft (FRJ) is still missing from my log
- Missing from mine too, not sure when I'll het her, need to pull my finger out, a 2011 project!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): BA is much more flexible, and all the flights could be booked under the BA code as one way tickets for around 110 EUR. Not exactly cheap for such a short hop, but perfectly acceptable for a rare plane and a niche carrier.
- Steep, but as you say for such a plane not a problem.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): I wasn’t going to indulge in the BOB service, but when I see they have Småland beer I can’t resist and get a can for 40 SEK.
- Is that good stuff then?
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Boarding is finally called around our original departure time, with the gate agent announcing “Even though we are still missing the crew we will board now to be ready”.
- Not seen that before, always had to wait for the crew to arrive first.
Contact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11140 times:
Very nice to read one of your reports again, as always with lots of great pictures. Congratulations to your first FRJ-flight - a really rare aircraft that is still missing in my log as well.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Bromma of course has a good number of obscure Swedish airlines flying domestic services, most of them of the virtual kind operated by a smaller number of real airlines. I had far too many options and new airports to log, looks like I have to do a couple of these trips in the future as well!
Well, you now do have a convenient (but not cheap) way of getting there.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): the ramp agents are actually carrying the “Delivery at Aircraft” -bags inside the waiting bus in order for them not to get wet before the pax are allowed to deboard - a nice touch!
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10990 times:
Fantastic! I envy you.... FRJ, SF340, B736... everything what I need. I think a trip to Sweden should be on my planning soon, now I only have to figure out some schedule, and just that is difficult to decide at this time.
Great pics, shamefull weather. You can't have it all.
FRJ interior looks like the one I had on Cirrus, you remember I had a different cabin config.
EUR 110 for a oneway is not so bad, I think. No chance for a award ticket on AY number for you?
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4319 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10949 times:
great little trip. I especially flew Turin-Pescara on Itali Airlines to get the FRJ but I'd like another flight.
NextJet also have the final passenger ATPs doing domestic flights in Sweden, I am sure you know on which routes they fly?
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
akhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10672 times:
What a jolly day trip! Very exciting from the start until the finish! The FRJ is such a beauty and sure worth EUR 110.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The load is apparently quite light - “It is a new route and a small plane” says the friendly agent - “Yes, I know” I answer.
Didn't you say, "That's why I am flying now,"
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Boarding procedures here are a bit different - basically they tell you the stand number where your aircraft is parked on and you follow the signs and the fenced walkways there - great in good weather, not that great when it is raining and there are huge puddles on the ground
It reminds me at the boarding procedures at KUL LCCT, though they have covered walkways.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): and she says “I see you are taking photos of our beautiful plane!” - “Yes, all nice and white isn’t it!”.
Well, it's more like not being genuinely friendly but smiling and trying to act friendly because the job description calls for it.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2): Looks like Ryanair is not the only airline with crumbs - this is from the galley floor:
That looks really bad.
Yep, I guess that's what you get when serving dry Vasabröd .
Quoting tk747 (Reply 3): What plane type/s do you still have to add to your log?
Oh, there are plenty. If you ask like that, I'd say the SSC would be the top priority
But seriously speaking and limiting to planes still in service there are quite a few. Being mainly a shorthaul flyer around Europe means that I'm quite limited on my widebodies, never flown on any A330, only on a coupe of A340-300s. Also all other triple sevens than 777-200 are missing from me, as is a 767-400 and the A380 (damn you Air France!).
On the narrow body front it is the more exotic smaller planes like a Metroliner, DO-228, Beech 1900, Dash-6 and -7, Dash 8-100 and -200 and ATP. I think I'm also missing some of the Jetstreams, although I've had a bunch of flights on some subtypes. Oh and E175 and E195 as well, a 757-300 (I think I need to fly Condor soon!) as a whole bunch of Russian (and Ukrainian) planes, the only Eastern planes I've flown are Tu-154, IL-86 and an AN-24.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 5): The gate area at BMA is somewhat new; my last job in Sweden was on the ramp there and I have visited there once and that was in 1997 or so and that gate area wasn't around then.
Yep, it looked quite newish - basically a large annex to the original terminal building.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 5): Karlskron is a very nice little town where I spent some time doing a field report when I was studiying at Stockholm University.
It indeed is - I wouldn't have minded spending a bit more time there! Of course with better weather as well!
Quoting The777Man (Reply 5): LF (LIN) used to have a round robin flight BMA-RNB-KLR-BMA where the RNB-KLR sector only took about 10-15 mins on a F28.
Actually SAS still operates some triangle flights as ARN-RNB-KLR-ARN, too bad I couldn't catch one of those!
Quoting The777Man (Reply 5): Good legroomon on a SK 736 sounds like a misnomer; seems to good to be true.
I guess it was an internationally configured plane, or maybe the last row had it better. I heard the domestic config 738s are the worst!
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6): I wasn’t going to indulge in the BOB service, but when I see they have Småland beer I can’t resist and get a can for 40 SEK.
- Is that good stuff then?
Well I hadn't had it before and the idea of drinking Småland beer while flying to Småland with Flysmåland sort of appealed to me! It was quite good as well, very hoppy and fresh, much better than your usual Swedish lagers which are kinda boring.
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 6): - Not seen that before, always had to wait for the crew to arrive first.
My thought as well, but in the end it was only the FO who was missing, so I guess it is okay.
Quoting Contact Air (Reply 7): Well, you now do have a convenient (but not cheap) way of getting there.
Yes. Funnily enough it is actually much cheaper to fly to ARN (DY's prices start at 20 EUR) and take public transportation to BMA.
It's really not that different from any other 737NG. Sure it is a bit short and stubby looking, but otherwise it's hard to tell the difference. Take off performance is pretty good - as the engines are the same ones as on the larger siblings but the plane weighs considerably less.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10): Fantastic! I envy you.... FRJ, SF340, B736... everything what I need. I think a trip to Sweden should be on my planning soon, now I only have to figure out some schedule, and just that is difficult to decide at this time.
Yep, Sweden offers some nice things for anybody interested in some of the rarer planes. And the domestic flights can be rather cheap if you are flexible and book well in advance. Let me know if you are planning something, I could always try to join you for some co-operative action, just like in November!
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10): FRJ interior looks like the one I had on Cirrus, you remember I had a different cabin config.
Oh yes, true.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10): EUR 110 for a oneway is not so bad, I think. No chance for a award ticket on AY number for you?
Thought about that but decided to save my miles for something better, they are running a bit low at the moment. And besides it would've been around 50 EUR for the fees and fuel surcharge alone, so not terribly good value at all! AY was actually selling a roundtrip on their own E170s for around 125 EUR, might book one of those at some point to do more interesting hops in Sweden... Too bad there's a Sat night or 2 day min stay requirement.
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 11): NextJet also have the final passenger ATPs doing domestic flights in Sweden, I am sure you know on which routes they fly?
Yes, something which I'm trying to score as well. I'm not sure about the routes, but at least the longer flights to the North of Sweden should see that bird in operation.
I also want to fly the NextJet Beech 1900, another type missing from my log. I found some flights with good prices and connections, I just need to figure out when I can fit them in.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 day ago) and read 10352 times:
Finally i come around to reading (and commenting on, yay!) another one of your splendid trip reports! What a wonderful way to spend a day! I really miss flying on small regional props (or jets in this case) just days after stepping off EK's A380, might have to convince my girlfriend for a short flying trip later this year (good thing she's at least a bit into planes ). I was planning to head to Norway to fly Wideroe, but Sweden sounds like a good alternative aswell with more variety when it comes to aircraft types.
By the way, I ended up skipping AF's A380 as somehow I got stuck in the middle of planning my trip and rather felt like spending a few days at home.
LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1711 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 21 hours ago) and read 10219 times:
Hi FlyingFinn, great report! Seems like you had quite a nice little adventure here in Sweden
The thought of BA operating the HEL-BMA flight seems a bit exotic to me, still pretty interesting but yet strange that BA have a Scandinavian subsidiary. The service however looked very generous to me, IIRC on longer flights e.g BLL they offer proper meals.
Flying around in the southern parts of Sweden seemed like a nice way of spending your time in Sweden, though the airlines aren't the most interesting IMHO. Next time, why not taking a quick visit to GOT with the X2000 instead?
infodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1451 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 hours ago) and read 9991 times:
Another successful day of flying for you!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): it caters mainly for people working here and thus the prices are far more reasonable than on the main restaurants and cafes aiming to make a quick buck from busy travelers. Besides it is always nice to eat being surrounded by pilots and some beautiful FAs
Places like that are a haven for the airport workers. If you eat anywhere else you get accosted by passengers. I've lost count of the times I've been interrupted mid-mouthful
I really like the look of the Dornier and what good service for the short hop
gabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 hours ago) and read 9974 times:
Nice report. My last flight was TLL-ARN-LHR, so was nice to see someone else passing through at basically the same time!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): As per BA policy the young Danish “business friendly” (to borrow Markus’ term) FA is checking boarding passes when boarding - this being so rare here most (all?) of the pax are not prepared and the subsequent shuffling for the cardboard pieces slows the progress down. It is still raining, so the couple of guys in suits behind me are not very amused by this slowness.
I think the boarding card check is a UK Govt thing, so all UK airlines have to do it. I think it's a very sensible thing to do, and always have my boarding card ready when boarding, and forget that bascially no other countrys airlines require to show it again.
I alsways find that RJs have beeter legroom (well, small RJs) - maybe it's just the illusion of size given the smallness of the plane itself?
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Service soon commences, I was expecting a drinks round and maybe some cookies but this is what I get:
Looks pretty decent. I think BAs catering is pretty good.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Once inside, I head straight to the check in desks - there are combined desks for Malmö Aviation and SN Brussels Airlines and a bunch of desks for Bromma Handling who handle all the other airlines here.
I only found out that SN flys into Bromma, not Arlanda, the other day - are they the only 'national carrier' serving BMA?
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): With free seating I decide to grab seat 12A on the single seat side of the aisle (the configuration is 1-2). The last row has four seats - that would make for the ultimate sleeper seat I think!
Ah, the same seat I went for last week from TLL-ARN. On Estonian's S340, it's called row 11 - I think it has the best view. They have a toilet in the back though.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter):
Right on time an Øresundstog from Copenhagen to Kalmar shows up - anybody who’s ever taken a train from CPH airport will instantly recognize the ugly face of these trains - they remind me of leeches for some reason:
I always take those trains from CPH to Lund - very ugly, and not too reliable. My last train was delayed for 40 minutes, and the air con stopped, so was roasting.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): Then I pass security at T5 and go airside to surf for a while on one of the coin-operated Internet terminals - why an earth is it cheaper to use these than buy wifi access with my own laptop!??
I was surpised that you had to pay for wifi. In TLL, it's free.
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9666 times:
Hi all, good to see so many comments. Thanks - always appreciated!
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15): I was planning to head to Norway to fly Wideroe, but Sweden sounds like a good alternative aswell with more variety when it comes to aircraft types.
Yeah, they are a bit different. In Norway you have stunning scenery and some interesting multistop milk runs, but you are stuck with Wideroe and the Dashes. But the flights can be very cheap, you can't beat less than 50 EUR for six flights (the famous milk run from TOS to KKN or VDS ). The Wideroe's "all you can fly" pass can be good value as well if you are really serious about your flying.
On the other hand in Sweden you have much more variety in the airlines and plane types, but you are mostly stuck with flying BMA/ARN somewhere and back, there aren't too many other routes. HS has a few, but those come with a premium. Flights can vary from the cheap to rather expensive, but at least you have a very good train and bus network to fill in any gaps. The SJ website is very good!
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16): Flying around in the southern parts of Sweden seemed like a nice way of spending your time in Sweden, though the airlines aren't the most interesting IMHO. Next time, why not taking a quick visit to GOT with the X2000 instead?
I've been to GOT a number of times before - I'm concentrating mainly on new airports at the moment. Although I had this idea of flying to Trollhättan (Fxxxxxg Åmal ) from BMA and taking the train to Göteborg from there, but in the end the schedules didn't work.
Another option I was looking at was actually taking the train back to Stockholm from Växjö, there was a very good fare of 50 EUR in 1st class with X2000 most of the way, but somehow planes won over again .
Quoting infodesk (Reply 17): Places like that are a haven for the airport workers. If you eat anywhere else you get accosted by passengers. I've lost count of the times I've been interrupted mid-mouthful
Really? Are people really that obnoxious and rude that they would interrupt airport workers in the middle of their lunch, coffee or whatever break?! Now that is a thought that would never ever occur to me!
Quoting infodesk (Reply 17): Getting back at 2am, ouch, hope you got a bit of sleep!
Well, I'm getting good at sleeping everywhere nowadays...
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18): I think the boarding card check is a UK Govt thing, so all UK airlines have to do it. I think it's a very sensible thing to do, and always have my boarding card ready when boarding, and forget that bascially no other countrys airlines require to show it again.
Yeah, I know. Ireland has the same regulation, so maybe FR will succeed in educating the masses at some point . Wizz does it too, actually.
It is always funny watching people who don't know the drill, for example when boarding a BA flight to HEL at LHR or something similar.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18): I only found out that SN flys into Bromma, not Arlanda, the other day - are they the only 'national carrier' serving BMA?
Well, did you read my introduction section carefully? Finnair just started two daily flights, with a further two on Sun-Air/BA. SK used to do CPH some years ago, but that didn't last for long and nowadays they don't have any equipment capable of doing so with the Dashes gone.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 18): I was surpised that you had to pay for wifi. In TLL, it's free.
That's E-stonia for you. There's free wifi just about everywhere, including the tiny URE airport, most public parks and even the beach in Tallinn!
Quoting Scandinavian (Reply 19): Nice report! You flew over my home on the first flight between HEL-BMA.
Oh, on finals to Bromma or somewhere further out? I bet you weren't out waving with that ugly weather!
Well, for an airplane price it isn't that bad I think. Of course BT sells you half a liter for 3 EUR, but well...
Quoting Scandinavian (Reply 19): I did not know that the late SAS flight was called "The drunkard flight", always fun to learn something new.
Pretty much any late night flight to Finland from just about anywhere (maybe not if we had a direct flight to SLC, though!) could be called by that name. Not anymore that much, the business culture has become much more dry than it used to be. The last domestic flights departing from HEL around midnight are sometimes very weird - I have witnessed drunken people getting arrested for saying stupid things ("If this plane doesn't leave now I will blow it to pieces!"), passing out in the cabin and refusing to wake up at our final destination, throwing up on the apron (and on some unfortunate soul's clothes) while boarding the plane etc.
vandenheuvel From Netherlands, joined Dec 2008, 497 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9622 times:
A great report about some Scandinavian flying. I liked reading about your Dornier 328 experience. A plane that is still missing on my log too. Also the Saab is a good catch. I would like visiting these smaller Scandinavian cities. Maybe my next trip will be heading there.
Scandinavian From Sweden, joined Sep 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9413 times:
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): Oh, on finals to Bromma or somewhere further out? I bet you weren't out waving with that ugly weather!
On the photo after Barkarby Airport, the place is called Kallhäll. I usually fish in the reeds that are visible in the picture.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 21): I have witnessed drunken people getting arrested for saying stupid things ("If this plane doesn't leave now I will blow it to pieces!"), passing out in the cabin and refusing to wake up at our final destination, throwing up on the apron (and on some unfortunate soul's clothes) while boarding the plane etc.
That sounds like normal Finnish behavior, just kidding!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): The last row on this side has only two seats - I think this is my new favorite place on these birds.
I know another guy with the same preference!.
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Thread starter): In exactly two weeks I’m back in Sweden, doing another similar day trip to log a couple of new airports and a domestic flight with a very interesting “operated by” arrangement: HEL-ARN-KLR/OSK-ARN-RIX-HEL.
You know, I love these Scandinavian stories, so looking forward to that one.
Next: The eastern Intersky!.
: WOW I hate to admit it but I never knew this A/C existed ! Really nice A/C and would love to fly it sometime. Thanks for the debut on the TR forum. Gr
: Nice trip repeort, glad to see you enjoyed your Sun-Air fight. I flew AAL-OSL on a 328 prop and OSL-AAL on a J31 in 2008. that was before the Wasa san