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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9326 times:

After having visited Edinburgh in June for a short weekend city trip, I decided I wanted to come back to visit the highlands. I was originally planning to fly Easyjet on the route, as KL was normally much more expensive. However, just as I was about to book, KL started with their World Deal Weeks, and their price to EDI was about the same as U2 (EUR 140 incl booking fees). But... KL has more convenient flying times and of course the awesome Fokker 70. So the choice was easy, I'd be flying KL once again.

Date: 30 August 2010
Flight: KL1277
Aircraft: Fokker 70
Reg: PH-KZP (originally delivered to British Midland on 24 May 1995)
Seat: 11A
Boarding time: 07:50
Scheduled departure time: 08:20
Scheduled arrival time: 08:45
Loadfactor: about 85-90%

PH-KZP during boarding. This aircraft was originally delivered to British Midland on 24 May 1995, but in service with KLM Cityhopper since 31 March 2002.


Push back was on time. However, we would be taxiing to the Polderbaan (36L), so we had a bit of a taxi ahead of us.

Wing view before takeoff and in flight:


As the weather in the Netherlands was quite windy and cloudy, the (female) captain informed us that the climb might be a bit bumpy. It was, but not uncomfortably so. I actually quite enjoyed the bumps along the way. We had some turbulence over the North Sea as well, but the closer we came to Scotland, the smoother the flight became.

On this flight, KL served a sandwich. It was an organic sandwich, one part with cream cheese and the other part with chicken. It was a very tasty sandwich! Especially the chicken part, they really did not skimp on the chicken, which was very nice. I had some tea to go along with the sandwich:


Another wing view through the oval Fokker windows:


Not long before the landing we had a great view of the Firth of Forth, with the Forth Bridge and Forth Rail Bridge visible. Weather in Scotland was fantastic, much better than the Netherlands!!


Spoilers deployed after landing:


After landing we had to wait about 10 minutes because our parking space wasn't available yet. So that gave me an opportunity to take a quick picture of the pristine cabin of this Fokker 70:


Standing next to us (briefly) was the 100th U2 Airbus:


The U2 a319 soon left and that gave me a great opportunity to photograph this lovely wingletted CO 752, preparing to go back to EWR:


Last shot of PH-KZP. This was my second Fokker 70 flight and I really like this aircraft. It feels like a bigger jet thanks to it's wide fuselage (with it's 5 abreast seating) and KL keeps the cabin in pristine condition:


I was off to baggage claim. This took a few minutes, but not too long. I collected my bags and was off!

William Wallace monument in Stirling. As a reminder, William Wallace was made world famous by the movie Braveheart. His original sword is also in this monument. The sword is about 700 years old!!


It was quite a climb to get to the top! First you have to climb part of the mountain as the car can't go all the way to the top (there is a shuttle bus that goes to the monument though, but I'm young and not lazy so I walked). And then another 246 steps to the top of the monument. But that is rewarded with gorgeous views over Stirling and it's surroundings like this one:


Loch Lomond, one of the biggest Scottish Lochs:


Loch Fyne Oyster Bar, a lovely restaurant with great food in Cairndow, near Loch Fyne. Highly recommended if you're in the neighbourhood:


Nice view over Oban from the Tower of McCaig:


We also went dolphin spotting at Chanonry Point in Fortrose on the Black Isle (to the north of Inverness). They came really close to us!! We also saw a few seals. The body of water is the Moray Firth and the dolphin species are Bottlenose dolphins:


The Cairngorms are gorgeous!!


We went to Queenstown for a quick bite before having to go to the aiport. It's a lovely (if small) part of Edinburgh with a great view of the two Forth bridges:


I made optimum use of my time. After the bite in Queenstown we rushed to the airport, I had to rush inside to drop off my luggage. Thankfully there was no one in line at the KL counter. After that, I went straight to security, which of course had a long line. After getting through, I went to the gate and boarding had just started, so I could enter the aircraft immediately. Of course, not before taking a quick pic:


I saw the aircraft land on the way to the airport. When I booked, it was supposed to be a 738. Then it became a 734, even when checking in online the day before. But surprise surprise, it was a 73G. At first I was a bit peeved, because when I checked in I selected an emergency exit seat (12F). However, in the 73G, 12F is not an emergency exit seat. Thankfully I'm a gold FB member, so I didn't pay for the emergency exit seat. However, had I paid, I would've been really mad!! As seat pitch was plenty, I didn't make a fuss about it, but this is really strange from KL. Making you pay for an emergency exit seat, but apparantly it's not guaranteed when there's a last minute aircraft change. Anyway, here are the flight details:

Date: 2 September 2010
Flight: KL1290
Aircraft: Boeing 737-700wl
Reg: PH-BGF (delivered new to KLM on 15 December 2008)
Seat: 12F
Boarding time: 18:10
Scheduled departure time: 18:40
Scheduled arrival time: 21:10
Loadfactor: about 95%

Boarding was very quick and we actually pushed back 10 minutes early. Taxi times at EDI are very short as well, so before we knew it, we were airborn.

Wing view before takeoff:


Just after takeoff we had some nice views of Edinburgh, in this pic, just above the wing is Arthur's Seat:


This is one of KL's 73G's with LCD screens that showed the safety video before the flight and the airshow during the flight. Very nice!!:


Flying time was 1 hour, but we went straight to FL390. Takeoff was amazing, like a rocket!! It almost felt like we were stalling, that's how steep the takeoff was!!:


Service consisted of a snack (salty or sweet, I took the sweet option, chocolate chip cookies) and drinks. I just got a tea:


As mentioned, legroom was plenty for me:


Wing view inflight:


PH-BGF after landing at AMS. Due to the early push back and short flying time, we arrived about half an hour early! Even after making a circle before landing that took an extra 5 minutes. I'm not complaining about that though...


So in the end I was mostly very happy with the KL flights. I got another Fokker 70 flight which is always fantastic. The sandwich on the AMS-EDI leg was very good and appreciated and the flights were both either on time or early. The 73G looked very modern with the LCD screens which are a nice touch. The only snag is what happened with the seat selection on the EDI-AMS leg. If an emergency exit seat is selected, KL should honour this when there's an aircraft change. Especially since they charge people for it.

Thanks again for reading and comments are very welcome! Oh, and also take a look at my other TR I worked on today AMS-PBM-AMS On KL MD11 (by Kappel Sep 7 2010 in Trip Reports)

Regards,
Sergio


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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9236 times:

Hi Sergio,

Great to read another trip report from you, again with excellent pictures. Good to hear that you enjoyed your flights on KLM - the sandwich looks very good indeed.

Quoting Kappel (Thread starter):
PH-KZP during boarding. This aircraft was originally delivered to British Midland on 24 May 1995, but in service with KLM Cityhopper since 31 March 2002.

Amazing - KLM Cityhopper has purchased nearly all available Fokker 70 from all over the world.

Quoting Kappel (Thread starter):
Not long before the landing we had a great view of the Firth of Forth, with the Forth Bridge and Forth Rail Bridge visible.

Great picture!

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1861 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9227 times:
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Hey Kappel, nice report once again! EDI looks very nice.

Thanks and regards,

Martijn



Nothing's worse then flying the same registration twice, except flying it 4 times..
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9186 times:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
Amazing - KLM Cityhopper has purchased nearly all available Fokker 70 from all over the world.

Yeah, apparantly they are very happy with this aircraft. In June I flew on PH-WXC that was previously from Avianova and has been flying for KL since 1997. A lot of their F70's had previous owners indeed!

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
EDI looks very nice.

It's a lovely city and the highlands are amazing. All certainly worth a visit!!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
Great to read another trip report from you, again with excellent pictures
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
nice report once again!

Thanks a lot guys, and more to come tomorrow!! Next up is a trip I made in March 2009 to Athens with LH a300 on the FRA-ATH-FRA legs. Like I said in my previous TR, I got some catching up to do  



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

Very nice. The idea of flying the F70 someday is quite appealing. It sure is a beautiful airplane in KL livery.

But why a sandwich on the morning flight but only a sweet/salty snack on the evening one? (Not that that is inappropriate for such a short flight.)



Getting There is Half the Fun!
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 4):
The idea of flying the F70 someday is quite appealing. It sure is a beautiful airplane in KL livery.

Yeah, I really like the F70, in looks and flying comfort. They are likely to stay with KL for a couple of years yet, so you'll be able to get the chance if you come this way.

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 4):
But why a sandwich on the morning flight but only a sweet/salty snack on the evening one?

I believe that is the new KL catering on short flights, for breakfast a sandwich and the rest of the day the snacks. Not sure about longer 737 flights though (ATH, TLV, etc).



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6758 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Hi Sergio,

another interesting report with great pictures from Scotland.

Quoting Kappel (Thread starter):
This is one of KL's 73G's with LCD screens that showed the safety video before the flight and the airshow during the flight.

Don't all KL 73Gs have these screens?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
They are likely to stay with KL for a couple of years yet, so you'll be able to get the chance if you come this way.

I should be in the Netherlands in January for a couple of days, but no time to fly anywhere. Maybe another time though.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):

I believe that is the new KL catering on short flights, for breakfast a sandwich and the rest of the day the snacks.

I was surprised to see the sandwich at breakfast as I'd heard about sandwiches being replaced with snacks ... didn't realize that breakfast was an exception. I wonder why they feel breakfast merits a more substantial service? Intuitively it sort of makes sense to me but logically I'm not sure why it should be the case.



Getting There is Half the Fun!
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7761 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
another interesting report with great pictures from Scotland.

Thanks!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Don't all KL 73Gs have these screens?

I flew PH-BGD last year and that one didn't have the screens. Not sure how many of the 73G's have the LCD screens and whether the ones that don't will be refitted (or have been refitted) with the screens. They are a nice addition though...



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User currently offlineChrisCruise From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Hey Sergio,

Great report on a bird (KL 737-700) that I really want to fly but cannot seem to catch. That cabin looks great with those nice videoscreens.

The F70, although aging, is still very nice to fly on. Great legroom on those birds!

EDI looks amazing, hopefully I can visit that place soon!

Thanks for the very nice report and pictures!


Adios,

Christian



Flown:319, 320, 321, 343, 388, 733, 738, 742, 744, 752, 763, 764, 772, 77W, CR7, CR9, DC9-31, E70, E90, F70, F100, MD11
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 9):
That cabin looks great with those nice videoscreens.

It certainly looks a lot more modern than without them. And I like having the airshow on during the flight. I'm always interested in the altitude, etc we're flying on!

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 9):
EDI looks amazing, hopefully I can visit that place soon!

EDI is really a lovely place to visit and the Highlands as well. I can really recommend Scotland as a lovely place for a visit. And then you'd get the chance to fly the F70 once again, and perhaps the ever elusive 737-700  
Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 9):
Thanks for the very nice report and pictures!

You're welcome! I'm already looking forward to your report on your upcoming trip!!   



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 1):
Amazing - KLM Cityhopper has purchased nearly all available Fokker 70 from all over the world.

Well just over 50% or so.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Yeah, I really like the F70, in looks and flying comfort.

Comfort will be further enhanced in the near future.



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

Hi,
nice report. Good to see you got the B737-700, I was booked on once 3 times already, but everytime again they exchange to another 737 version. Ah yes, that's part of revenue control at KLM. Very clever, when they have such a diverse fleet.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 6):
Don't all KL 73Gs have these screens?

Only -700 have it, none of the -800/-900s.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 8):
I flew PH-BGD last year and that one didn't have the screens. Not sure how many of the 73G's have the LCD screens

As far as I know all B737-700s have the screens. Maybe on BGD they were not used? It doesn't mean they will always be in down position and showing something, depends on the status of the system, or maybe the crew forgot?

Regards
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
As far as I know all B737-700s have the screens. Maybe on BGD they were not used?

I just double checked my pictures from my flight on BGD. You're right, they are obviously there, but were definitely not used. Weird!!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
I was booked on once 3 times already, but everytime again they exchange to another 737 version.

ChrisCruise has the same problem! I only really cared about getting the F70 again, but getting the 73G instead of the 734 on the way back was a nice bonus.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
Very clever, when they have such a diverse fleet.

Indeed, they can change the aircraft to suit the needs of the flight perfectly. However, AFAIK the 733 and 734 will only be in the KL fleet for a short while yet. I believe there are only 5 active 733's and 9 734's left in the fleet.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Some HD video's for your viewing pleasure. Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to make some vids on the way back to AMS, but I do have the following:

Inflight AMS-EDI, not long after departure from a very cloudy and windy AMS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsXLRqyKYyM

Another inflight video, this time close to Scotland and much improved weather:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvNlo524bf4

Landing at EDI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwydZ_4nQY

Finally one of the highlights of the trip, Dolphin Spotting at Moray Firth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-10K3ypdgY



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