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User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Hello!

And welcome to my trip-report! This time something new for me. Just going for flying. Otherwise I always have a "target" but this time I just go around southern Scandinavia but with stops on the way of course  This report also include a A-net meeting, my second one  This time I meet up with Petteri- Flyingfinn76 here on A-net.

Anyway, here´s the actual routing: Go by bus from Karlstad to Jönköping. Meet Petteri in JKG and then fly up to Stockholm. The next day I will flew from Stockholm-Bromma to Ängelholm/Helsingborg. Take the ferry to Helsingör in Denmark, then by train to Kastrup Airport in Copenhagen, stay one night in CPH and then continue on home to Karlstad.
Even if I only took one flight per day It was quit intense and I go with almost every kind of vehicles, bus, plane, train and ferry 

The last flight, CPH-KSD is with Skyways, so my last TR "last flight with JZ" was wrong  Maybe this was not my last flight with them either. JZ was bought by some Cypriot company a couple of weeks ago and the will reconstruct the company and go back to the "Skyways Express" brand which was used when JZ was "well connected with SAS". Let´s see what happened! The only strange thing about this is that Swedish media haven´t said one word about JZ. It was only a small note on a Swedish travel-site that JZ had been sold.

I planned to travel one more time this year and I contacted Petteri and ask him about his plans in December. At first I would like to visit Helsinkki since I haven´t been there for nine years and I would like to catch AY´s newly open route BMA-HEL on there Embraer jets. When Petteri told me about his plans to fly on Flyglinjen from JKG to BMA I wasn´t late to join since I been curious on that route.
So I quickly book the flight, not that cheap as Petteri, my flight cost me 1200SEK (120Euro) but that´s not that uncommon on thinner domestic routes in Sweden. I quickly decided that I´m going to CPH after that to catch one of Nextjets SAAB´s to Örebro, a city not that far from Karlstad. But the fares rises to over 2000SEK (210 Euros) for a single-ticket so I have to look on something else. Finally I go for a day-flight to Karlstad on JZ.
I was not in the mood to catch a regular ARN-CPH flight on SK so I decided to take a flight with Kullaflyg from Bromma to Ängelholm/Helsingborg-two cities in southern Sweden and then by ferry and train to CPH. I was really happy about this routing  

Here´s the routing in picture:

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/aghmap.gif



How to go to Jönköping then? There´s no direct-train connections, you have to switch train one or to times and the travel-time for the 250 km trip would take 5-6 hours. There´s a direct bus from Karlstad so I had to take that instead, I´m not a big fan of buses but this time it was the most convenient way. The bus-ride should take around 4 hours with several stops on it´s way to Jönköping.

Day 1, the 6th of december:
My alarm-clock rang at 6 am.My bus was scheduled to 8am. After a shower and breakfast my father pick me up and drove me to Karlstad´s bus station which took 25 minutes this snowy morning. I arrived 20 min before departure and bought some coffee and newspapers to bring on my bus. I walked to the assigned bus-stop and the bus was already there. We left on strictly on time and stop at Karlstad university before going to the highway to start our 4 hour journey to the south. I paid 180SEK (19Euros) for the bus-ticket, quit cheap.

My bus at Karlstad´s bus station
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010366800x600.jpg

Karlstad´s university:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010367800x600.jpg

The snowy-roads on our way to Jönköping:


I arrived 12.20 in Jönköping, 20 min late. Petteri will arrive at 13.00 so I sat down at the station and waited for him.

Jönköping is a town with around 80 000 inhabitants and it´s lays in southern Sweden just next to Sweden´s next biggest lake-Vättern. It´s the capital of the region of Småland. I guess most of you not coming from Sweden never heard of Småland but the world famous child books author Astrid Lindgren was born here and many of here books taking place here and in Småland the worlds first IKEA department-store was opened here also.
Unlike the rest of Sweden Jönköping have a very religious population. In the middle of the nineteenth century they started to call it for "Småland´s Jerusalem" and in the more recent days- "Sweden´s Mecca"  

Petteri´s bus arrived on time at 13.00. We walked around a bit and then have lunch on a Thai-restaurant. At first we planned to take the bus to the airport but time passed and I getting a little bit nervous that we will not make it to the airport in time so I convinced Petteri that we should take a taxi instead , which was OK for him  

Some pictures from Jönköping:

A church, you find many of them in Jönköpin 

A old fire station
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010376800x600.jpg

Jönköping´s university:


We arrived at the airport some 35-40 minutes before departure, check-in was done in half a minute and we received our boarding cards with no name on it:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010413800x600.jpg

The Airport:
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The departureboard:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010381800x600.jpg

After some photographing outside we went for the gate. No other passenger in security, just the two of us so quickly done.

Boarding started some 10 min before our departure, just after the JZ flight to ARN has board.

Another Jetstream parked at JKG
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010382800x600.jpg

Skyway´s Fokker 50 to ARN, I flew with this A/C, SE-LED a couple of weeks ago
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010383800x600.jpg

No gates here at JKG so we walked to our A/C, a Jetstream 32. Next to the stair there was a charming F/A that welcomed us. Interesting with a F/A on a jetstream 32!

Our A/C:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010384800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010385800x600.jpg
Flightdetails:
Jönköping-->Stockholm-Bromma on Flyglinjen
Flight: 9I 305
A/C: Jetstream 32 Reg LN-FAN
Dep time:16.30
Arr time: 17.25
Load: 41%, 7 pax onboard.

Boarding was quick since the light load. The F/A asked two ladies in the front to move to the rear because of balanced. There´s a guy in row one with headphones, guess some trainee pilot or something.

My seat was 5A on the left side of the A/C. So both window and aisle-seat 
View from my seat:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010387800x600.jpg

The F/A closed the door and then handed out earplugs but I and Petteri declined. In the basket it was also some sweets, nice 

No PA or recorded safety-instructions on the jetstream so the F/A stand in the front and tells us about safety onboard while she demonstrate the use of lifejacket, seatbelt etc.

The flightcrew started the engines and now and then I knew way the handed out earplugs, it was very loudly  But not to bothering

We took off a couple of minutes later from runway 01 and climbed to 19 000 feet.

A couple of minutes into flight the F/A started the cabin-service. We received a bag from a local bakery and there was a sandwich and a "lussebulle" (traditional swedish christmas cake) in it. it was later followed by cooffee. Really nice service 

The Cabin:
Notice, no cockpit-door:D
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010388800x600.jpg
The rear:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010389800x600.jpg

Our F/A Linda on the in-flight magazine´s front cover:


The service:

The snack-bag:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010393800x600.jpg

The contents:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010395800x600.jpg

Followed by coffee:


The flight was uneventful and quick. The captain came over the P/A with some in-flight info. I couldn´t here much but I could see in the cockpit that our crusingaltitude was 19 000 feet 
The descent was quit bumpy and you coldn´t see anything untill a couple a minutes before landing. It was fun to see the runway through the cockpit window!
We overflew the city-centre and landed on Stockholm-BMA airport runway 30 after 50 minute flight

A short taxi to parking stand and then a short walk to the airport terminal.

Parked at Bromma:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010397800x600.jpg

The cabin again after landing:


Walking away from the A/C. Byebye LN-FAN- as Petteri wrote in his report, FAN in Swedish means devil and is a common swear-word http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010400800x600.jpg
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010401800x600.jpg

The terminal:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010404800x600.jpg

We decided to take the budget-alternative to the city so instead of the airportcoach we took the commuter-bus to the Stockholm-suburb Sundbyberg, also called "Sumpan" and then take the subway from there. On the way to the bus we passed a famous swedish actress named Nina Robertsson.
In Sundbyberg we took a beer before going to the city-centre. A very coosy-bar called "The bishop arms".
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010408800x600.jpg

I was booked on the Radison Blu iking hotel just next to the Centralstation so we decided that Petteri will followed me there and have a drink before he´s going to ARN and his Jumbostay 
After a drink and talking we said goodbye to each other and I headed for McDonald´s for some dinner 

Some pics from Stockholm:
My hotel:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010409800x600.jpg

The Centralstation with decorating http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010411800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010410800x600.jpg

My room:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010412800x600.jpg

I went to bed early after a intense and fun day with a very early start 

The next morning a went up at 8.00 and had a breakfest in the hotel. I notice some Thai Air stuff in the restaurant. The F/A´s have some really good-looking unifroms  I was suprised to see that they had some senior F/A´s. I though they only had young girls and boys 

My hotel in daylight:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010416800x600.jpg

I checked out at 10 and took the airportcoach from Centralstation to Bromma were my next flight will depart from at 12.10.

The Centralstation
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010417800x600.jpg


I arrived at Bromma around 11.00 and check-in the old fashioned way which was quickly done with only one pax in front of me.
Some pics from BMA:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010423800x600.jpg
The controltower:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010421800x600.jpg

The terminal, not nice http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010425800x600.jpg

Check-in area:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010424800x600.jpg

I went directly to security which also was quickly done with only a few pax before me. I walked to my gate and waited for boarding.

Continued below

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User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

continued from above:

I wait at the gate for boarding which started a little bit late because of a late arrive from AGH and the A/C have to refuel here at BMA. I overheard the gate-agents saying that the load was 49 on this midday flights. Just next to me stand another celebrity. Remember earlier in the report? Me and Petteri passed a Swedish actress. This time it´s was a famous sport-journalist called Patrik Ekwall and his was also in the Swedish version of "Let´s dance"  Two celebrities in two days, not bad:D

Anyway, boarding started 5 min late and we made the quit long walk to our A/C. At BMA your A/C not necessary the one closest one to the gate. When exit the door there´s a sign saying which parking stand you should go to and then just follow the sign on the apron. It´s sounds more complicated that it is.

The apron walking areas:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010426800x600.jpg

The screen only saying Ängelholm:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010427800x600.jpg

Our A/C SE-MDC:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010428800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010429800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010430800x600.jpg

Kullaflyg is one of these virtual airline in Sweden based in Ängelholm/Helsingborg airport. The fly to Stockholm and seasonal to Mora and Visby. They also started charter-services to the Canaries Islands. It´s a low-fare airline with BOB-service. I paid 400 SEK (42Euros) for my flight which is quit cheap. On their domestic flights the operator is the Swedish airline Golden air with ATR 72-500´s and SAAB2000.

At the door there was a smiling young F/A called Emma and in the front was Katja, which I flew with last summer when flying with Kullaflyg. So my second flight and also my second flight on this A/C.

Flight details:
The 7th of december
Kullaflyg op by Golden Air Stockholm Bromma -->Ängeholm/Helsingborg
Flight: DC545
A/C: ATR 72-500 SE-MDC
Dep time:12.20
Arr time:13.35
Load: 68%, 49 pax on board

View from my seat 14D:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010431800x600.jpg

Boarding was quick and the door was closed and the F/A´s started their safety-demo. Then a fast taxi to runway 30 for a rolling take-off. These ATR´s are really powerfull. The most common thing at BMA is set parking-brake, full power and then released, but not this time with the ATR 

The take-off video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz058pLavRs

A couple of minutes into-flight we made a sharp turn to the south and shortly afterwards the seat-belt sign is turned off and the F/A´s started their service. Service is I mentioned earlier BOB and I purchased a cup of coffee for 20SEK(2Euros).

Some in-flight views:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010436800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010439800x600.jpg

The flaps gradations:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010444800x600.jpg
More cloudly further south:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010441800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010443800x600.jpg

When reaching cruisingaltitude the F/O came over the P/A and thell us that we are ate 6500 meteras and have a cruisingspeed of 500km (19 000 feet, 270 knots).

After almost 1 hour inflight we started our descent towards Ängelholm and Helsingborg airport
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010448800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010449800x600.jpg

We landed 10 minutes late at AGH´s runway14.

Here´s the landing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhO1q6yTbDs

Parked:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010451800x600.jpg

Byebye SE-MDC
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010452800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010453800x600.jpg

Another ATR parked at AGH:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010455800x600.jpg

The airport:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010454800x600.jpg

There´s a bus connection from the airport to Ängelholm and Helsingborg. The fare to Helsingborg is 100SEK(11Euros) and take around 30 min. it first stops in Ängelholm and then continue for Helsingborg.

In helsingborg I had lunch and walked around for an hour before headed to ferry to Helsingör in Denmark.

Some pictures from Helsingborg:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010456800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010458800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010459800x600.jpg

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http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010463800x600.jpg

Helsingborg is a quit nice city with around 90 000 inhabitants

The ferryterminal:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010457800x600.jpg

My ferry, M/S Tycho Brahe:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010465800x600.jpg

The price for the 15-min trip is 30SEK(3Euros).

I didn´t botherd to go to the Tax-Free shop. I bought a some tax-free ciggaretts in the café and sat down looking out on the sea.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010466800x600.jpg

15 minutes later we arrived in helsingör-Denmark.
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010467800x600.jpg

The Castle from Hamlet, in English Helsingör is called Ellsinore:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010468800x600.jpg

The trainstation is in the same building as the ferryterminal and I bought a ticket to Copenhagen airport. The price was 120 DKK (15Euros) quit expensive.

The trainride to CPH should take 55min but after some problems at the Centralstation in Copenhagen I arrived at CPH after 1h15 min. The train then continue for the Öresundsbridge to Malmö-Sweden and the on to Gothenburg.

I stayed at the Copenhagen Stay inn. Just 5min from CPH.
My room for 800DKK(105Euros)
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010469800x600.jpg

My flight to Karlstad depart 11.40 the next day so no need for a early start. I left the hotel 10.00 and took a taxi arriving at CPH 5 min later.

I check-in with self-service machine at terminal 3 and then went for security which just take around 10 minutes.

I took a cup of coffee at Starbucks and sat down for some spotting:

Lufthansa A320:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010471800x600.jpg

SAS A321:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010473800x600.jpg
SAS A340:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010474800x600.jpg

Air Berlin A319:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010476800x600.jpg
SAS CRJ:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010480800x600.jpg
And again:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010481800x600.jpg
Austrian A319:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010478800x600.jpg
LOT Embraer:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010485800x600.jpg
Air France A318:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010477800x600.jpg
My Fokker arriving from KSD:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010486800x600.jpg
Cimber air and the ATR:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010491800x600.jpg

20 min before departure I went to the gate which today was C5
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010475800x600.jpg

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Boarding have already started when I arrived so I show my boardingpass and went down the stair for the waiting area for the bus.
A really light load today, only 11 pax me included. When the last pax enter the waitingarea the busdriver showed up and walked us to the bus. We made a quit long drive to the parking stand were our A/C waited for us, SE-LIT

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010493800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010494800x600.jpg

Flight details:
The 8th of December
Skyways Copenhagen-->Karlstad
Flight: JZ705
Dep time: 11.40
Arr time: 12.50
Load 22%, 11 pax

We were greethed by a senior F/A named Anna at the door, not the standard based crew here.
Free seating here on JZ, I took the window seat on the last row, 14E

The door to the rear cargohold was open, quit large:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010495800x600.jpg

View from my seat:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010499800x600.jpg

We just sat down for around 10 min, no info way but I´m guessing that we had to wait for our depature time.
Finally the engines was turned on and Anna started the safetydemo. Then a rather long taxi to runway 4R were we took off 5 min early.

The take-off video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSL6eNWyX0k

Since the light load we climbed fast to our crusingaltitude. At 10 000 feet the seat-belt sign was turned off and the F/A started the cabinservice. Today we was offered a chocolat-bar with cold and hot drinks, I took a cup of coffee.

Just departed:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010500800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010503800x600.jpg

Cabinservice:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010502800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010505800x600.jpg

The Cabin:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010509800x600.jpg



The Fokker galley:


Overhead panel:


The flight was uneventful and quick with some tailwinds according to the F/A. No in flight-info.

During cruise:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010514800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010515800x600.jpg

After 50 min into flight the pilot came over the PA and told us that it was 10 min to landing and he turned on the seat-belt sign. Then 5 min later he came over the PA again and told us the weather in Karlstad had been worse and then it now was not possible landing because of the low visibilty. We have to hold and after two rounds he told us that the visibility had been better and they had started a fast approach in case the visibility will be lower again. We mange to lan 5 minutes later on Karlstad airport runway 21 just 15 min late, good 

Holding just above the clouds:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010518800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010516800x600.jpg

Landingvideo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJ5Y5JoBlM

The weather in Karlstad was very cloudy and -15 degrees. In Cph the temprature was +2 degrees  So 17 degrees difference and not that far away!

Parked at KSD airport:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010520800x600.jpg

Leaving the A/C, byebye SE-LIT:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010521800x600.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010522800x600.jpg

KSD airport:
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/parton87/tripreportcph/P1010523800x600.jpg

Thats it, hope you like it! And to Petteri, Tack för en jättetrevlig dag! Hoppas vi ses snart igen!!

Feel free to comment!

Greetings Robert (Robert Kisch on Facebook).


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Hey, Robert,

well done, I like you´re Scandinavia travels,
something to do also for me next year.
That was for sure a very interesting airline and aircraft combination
and together with an A.net meet, always good to follow.
17 degrees difference in between CPH and KSD, impressive, nice winter pictures all the way.

In fact I was surprised while checking the fares and flights for June that
Skyways ist still on schedule with a pretty good fare on the CPH-KSD route.
I will tell you more about it later.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Hello Markus!

Thank you for your comment.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
In fact I was surprised while checking the fares and flights for June that
Skyways ist still on schedule with a pretty good fare on the CPH-KSD route.
I will tell you more about it later.



Hmm..strange. I was talking with a guy a couple of weeks ago that were going to fly JKG-ARN in late December and his flight was not showed on schedules. Maybe it´s changed now with this Cypriot company bought JZ?

Greetings
Robert


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Hello Robert,

It's always interesting to read about the same journey from someone else's point of view and nice that you were able to make a 3 day trip out of your travels.

I always enjoy seeing photos of Scandinavian towns, particularly at this time of year with all the snow.

What a big ferry for that 15minute ride. It reminds me of the one I once took between Malta & Gozo. I'm sure the similarity of the names Helsingborg and Helsingör must confuse people, what with them being in different countries.

Quoting parton87 (Thread starter):
In Cph the temprature was +2 degrees So 17 degrees difference and not that far away!

How I hate temperature differences like this!

Happy flying
Infodesk   



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Hello Infodesk!

Thank you for your nice comment  
Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
I'm sure the similarity of the names Helsingborg and Helsingör must confuse people, what with them being in different countries.



Yes you are probably right. And it´s not make it any easier that it´s almost impossible for people outside Scandinavia to pronounce it. I don't think many people now about the international name on Helsingör either- Elsinore.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
What a big ferry for that 15minute ride.




There was only 10 people on board me included  But on the summers the used to be quit packed. Many people going on a road trip in Europe takes this ferry-route. In the winters it´s mainly commuters. It´s quit many people living in southern Sweden and working in Denmark because the wages are much higher there. Since both Denmark and Sweden are members of the European union you just can go working.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
How I hate temperature differences like this!



I agree. The Danish pax on board were pretty freaked out about the cold temperatures. Between CPH and KSD it´s 500 km so its not far but still a big difference in temperature.

Greetings Robert


User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.

User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Hello Coachclass!

Thank you for your comment. I think the newer models, the -500 have some improvements, but the ATR overall is a very common A/C in Europe. Almost every European country has a ATR service, even in the colder areas. For example, Finncom- Finland, Cimber air- Denmark, Eurolot-Poland, CSA-Czech, Air France Regional, Alitalia etc.

Greetings Robert

[Edited 2010-12-16 11:02:37]

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6937 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Hi Robert,

nice report, interesting mix of aircraft and airlines.

Quoting parton87 (Thread starter):
Otherwise I always have a "target" but this time I just go around southern Scandinavia but with stops on the way of course

The journey is the destination...  




PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

Hello Planehunter!

Thank you for your nice comment 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
The journey is the destination...

It´s certainly is 

Greetings
Robert


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

Hi Robert,

Finally I had time to read your side of the story and about your continuation adventures. Sounds like you had quite a relaxed journey after we parted our ways. I didn't realize you were actually going to spend another night in Denmark, I thought you were doing the BMA-AGH, CPH-KSD all on one day!

Some nice snowy pictures, somehow the ones around Jönköping look very familiar..  

Once more thanks, is was a blast. Let's see when we can hook up again. Maybe you should come to Finland and we could do some domestic flying together.

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 6):
I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.

Really? I've never heard that one, ATRs have been very heavily used on Finnish domestic traffic for the last 20+ years. Heck, Karair (long since absorbed into Finnair) was even the launch customer for the ATR-72 200 series and nowadays both FC and KF (the latter being actually operated by DC) operate quite a lot of domestic traffic in this country with the -500 series, FC also using the smaller -42s. As far as I know there have never been any problems with icing or snow. There have been issues, sure, but those were mostly due to FC pilots lacking enough flying experience.


User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Hello Petteri!

Thank you for your comment 
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10):
Once more thanks, is was a blast. Let's see when we can hook up again. Maybe you should come to Finland and we could do some domestic flying together.



That sounds great. Maybe in the beginning of next year? We keep in touch!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10):
Finally I had time to read your side of the story and about your continuation adventures. Sounds like you had quite a relaxed journey after we parted our ways. I did't realize you were actually going to spend another night in Denmark, I thought you were doing the BMA-AGH, CPH-KSD all on one day!



You did´t? I wanted a day-light flight for better views and as you now my camera it´s not good on night-pictures.

Greetings
Robert

[Edited 2010-12-19 07:15:44]

User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10):
Quoting CoachClass (Reply 6):
I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.

Really? I've never heard that one, ATRs have been very heavily used on Finnish domestic traffic for the last 20+ years. Heck, Karair (long since absorbed into Finnair) was even the launch customer for the ATR-72 200 series and nowadays both FC and KF (the latter being actually operated by DC) operate quite a lot of domestic traffic in this country with the -500 series, FC also using the smaller -42s. As far as I know there have never been any problems with icing or snow. There have been issues, sure, but those were mostly due to FC pilots lacking enough flying experience.




Go to Wikipedia and type in "American Eagle Flight 4184" and read the history and aftermath of the fatal crash from icing and that American Airlines moved its ATR flights to warmer climes. The article mentions better training and some modifications as an explanation for reduction in incidents. Also, maybe the nature of the icing is somewhat different in Scandinavia.


User currently offlineparton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Hello coachclass!

When it comes to ice I´m not sure if it´s any differences? Maybe in Scandinavia it´s not the same icing conditions as in the Chicago areas but maybe in other parts of Europe?


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