parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6327 times:
Hello!
And welcome to my trip-report! This time something new for me. Just going for flying. Otherwise I always have a "target" but this time I just go around southern Scandinavia but with stops on the way of course This report also include a A-net meeting, my second one This time I meet up with Petteri- Flyingfinn76 here on A-net.
Anyway, here´s the actual routing: Go by bus from Karlstad to Jönköping. Meet Petteri in JKG and then fly up to Stockholm. The next day I will flew from Stockholm-Bromma to Ängelholm/Helsingborg. Take the ferry to Helsingör in Denmark, then by train to Kastrup Airport in Copenhagen, stay one night in CPH and then continue on home to Karlstad.
Even if I only took one flight per day It was quit intense and I go with almost every kind of vehicles, bus, plane, train and ferry
The last flight, CPH-KSD is with Skyways, so my last TR "last flight with JZ" was wrong Maybe this was not my last flight with them either. JZ was bought by some Cypriot company a couple of weeks ago and the will reconstruct the company and go back to the "Skyways Express" brand which was used when JZ was "well connected with SAS". Let´s see what happened! The only strange thing about this is that Swedish media haven´t said one word about JZ. It was only a small note on a Swedish travel-site that JZ had been sold.
I planned to travel one more time this year and I contacted Petteri and ask him about his plans in December. At first I would like to visit Helsinkki since I haven´t been there for nine years and I would like to catch AY´s newly open route BMA-HEL on there Embraer jets. When Petteri told me about his plans to fly on Flyglinjen from JKG to BMA I wasn´t late to join since I been curious on that route.
So I quickly book the flight, not that cheap as Petteri, my flight cost me 1200SEK (120Euro) but that´s not that uncommon on thinner domestic routes in Sweden. I quickly decided that I´m going to CPH after that to catch one of Nextjets SAAB´s to Örebro, a city not that far from Karlstad. But the fares rises to over 2000SEK (210 Euros) for a single-ticket so I have to look on something else. Finally I go for a day-flight to Karlstad on JZ.
I was not in the mood to catch a regular ARN-CPH flight on SK so I decided to take a flight with Kullaflyg from Bromma to Ängelholm/Helsingborg-two cities in southern Sweden and then by ferry and train to CPH. I was really happy about this routing
Here´s the routing in picture:
How to go to Jönköping then? There´s no direct-train connections, you have to switch train one or to times and the travel-time for the 250 km trip would take 5-6 hours. There´s a direct bus from Karlstad so I had to take that instead, I´m not a big fan of buses but this time it was the most convenient way. The bus-ride should take around 4 hours with several stops on it´s way to Jönköping.
Day 1, the 6th of december:
My alarm-clock rang at 6 am.My bus was scheduled to 8am. After a shower and breakfast my father pick me up and drove me to Karlstad´s bus station which took 25 minutes this snowy morning. I arrived 20 min before departure and bought some coffee and newspapers to bring on my bus. I walked to the assigned bus-stop and the bus was already there. We left on strictly on time and stop at Karlstad university before going to the highway to start our 4 hour journey to the south. I paid 180SEK (19Euros) for the bus-ticket, quit cheap.
My bus at Karlstad´s bus station
Karlstad´s university:
The snowy-roads on our way to Jönköping:
I arrived 12.20 in Jönköping, 20 min late. Petteri will arrive at 13.00 so I sat down at the station and waited for him.
Jönköping is a town with around 80 000 inhabitants and it´s lays in southern Sweden just next to Sweden´s next biggest lake-Vättern. It´s the capital of the region of Småland. I guess most of you not coming from Sweden never heard of Småland but the world famous child books author Astrid Lindgren was born here and many of here books taking place here and in Småland the worlds first IKEA department-store was opened here also.
Unlike the rest of Sweden Jönköping have a very religious population. In the middle of the nineteenth century they started to call it for "Småland´s Jerusalem" and in the more recent days- "Sweden´s Mecca"
Petteri´s bus arrived on time at 13.00. We walked around a bit and then have lunch on a Thai-restaurant. At first we planned to take the bus to the airport but time passed and I getting a little bit nervous that we will not make it to the airport in time so I convinced Petteri that we should take a taxi instead , which was OK for him
Some pictures from Jönköping:
A church, you find many of them in Jönköpin
A old fire station
Jönköping´s university:
We arrived at the airport some 35-40 minutes before departure, check-in was done in half a minute and we received our boarding cards with no name on it:
The Airport:
The departureboard:
After some photographing outside we went for the gate. No other passenger in security, just the two of us so quickly done.
Boarding started some 10 min before our departure, just after the JZ flight to ARN has board.
Another Jetstream parked at JKG
Skyway´s Fokker 50 to ARN, I flew with this A/C, SE-LED a couple of weeks ago
No gates here at JKG so we walked to our A/C, a Jetstream 32. Next to the stair there was a charming F/A that welcomed us. Interesting with a F/A on a jetstream 32!
Boarding was quick since the light load. The F/A asked two ladies in the front to move to the rear because of balanced. There´s a guy in row one with headphones, guess some trainee pilot or something.
My seat was 5A on the left side of the A/C. So both window and aisle-seat
View from my seat:
The F/A closed the door and then handed out earplugs but I and Petteri declined. In the basket it was also some sweets, nice
No PA or recorded safety-instructions on the jetstream so the F/A stand in the front and tells us about safety onboard while she demonstrate the use of lifejacket, seatbelt etc.
The flightcrew started the engines and now and then I knew way the handed out earplugs, it was very loudly But not to bothering
We took off a couple of minutes later from runway 01 and climbed to 19 000 feet.
A couple of minutes into flight the F/A started the cabin-service. We received a bag from a local bakery and there was a sandwich and a "lussebulle" (traditional swedish christmas cake) in it. it was later followed by cooffee. Really nice service
The Cabin:
Notice, no cockpit-door:D
The rear:
Our F/A Linda on the in-flight magazine´s front cover:
The service:
The snack-bag:
The contents:
Followed by coffee:
The flight was uneventful and quick. The captain came over the P/A with some in-flight info. I couldn´t here much but I could see in the cockpit that our crusingaltitude was 19 000 feet
The descent was quit bumpy and you coldn´t see anything untill a couple a minutes before landing. It was fun to see the runway through the cockpit window!
We overflew the city-centre and landed on Stockholm-BMA airport runway 30 after 50 minute flight
A short taxi to parking stand and then a short walk to the airport terminal.
Parked at Bromma:
The cabin again after landing:
Walking away from the A/C. Byebye LN-FAN- as Petteri wrote in his report, FAN in Swedish means devil and is a common swear-word
The terminal:
We decided to take the budget-alternative to the city so instead of the airportcoach we took the commuter-bus to the Stockholm-suburb Sundbyberg, also called "Sumpan" and then take the subway from there. On the way to the bus we passed a famous swedish actress named Nina Robertsson.
In Sundbyberg we took a beer before going to the city-centre. A very coosy-bar called "The bishop arms".
I was booked on the Radison Blu iking hotel just next to the Centralstation so we decided that Petteri will followed me there and have a drink before he´s going to ARN and his Jumbostay
After a drink and talking we said goodbye to each other and I headed for McDonald´s for some dinner
Some pics from Stockholm:
My hotel:
The Centralstation with decorating
My room:
I went to bed early after a intense and fun day with a very early start
The next morning a went up at 8.00 and had a breakfest in the hotel. I notice some Thai Air stuff in the restaurant. The F/A´s have some really good-looking unifroms I was suprised to see that they had some senior F/A´s. I though they only had young girls and boys
My hotel in daylight:
I checked out at 10 and took the airportcoach from Centralstation to Bromma were my next flight will depart from at 12.10.
The Centralstation
I arrived at Bromma around 11.00 and check-in the old fashioned way which was quickly done with only one pax in front of me.
Some pics from BMA:
The controltower:
The terminal, not nice
Check-in area:
I went directly to security which also was quickly done with only a few pax before me. I walked to my gate and waited for boarding.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6153 times:
continued from above:
I wait at the gate for boarding which started a little bit late because of a late arrive from AGH and the A/C have to refuel here at BMA. I overheard the gate-agents saying that the load was 49 on this midday flights. Just next to me stand another celebrity. Remember earlier in the report? Me and Petteri passed a Swedish actress. This time it´s was a famous sport-journalist called Patrik Ekwall and his was also in the Swedish version of "Let´s dance" Two celebrities in two days, not bad:D
Anyway, boarding started 5 min late and we made the quit long walk to our A/C. At BMA your A/C not necessary the one closest one to the gate. When exit the door there´s a sign saying which parking stand you should go to and then just follow the sign on the apron. It´s sounds more complicated that it is.
The apron walking areas:
The screen only saying Ängelholm:
Our A/C SE-MDC:
Kullaflyg is one of these virtual airline in Sweden based in Ängelholm/Helsingborg airport. The fly to Stockholm and seasonal to Mora and Visby. They also started charter-services to the Canaries Islands. It´s a low-fare airline with BOB-service. I paid 400 SEK (42Euros) for my flight which is quit cheap. On their domestic flights the operator is the Swedish airline Golden air with ATR 72-500´s and SAAB2000.
At the door there was a smiling young F/A called Emma and in the front was Katja, which I flew with last summer when flying with Kullaflyg. So my second flight and also my second flight on this A/C.
Flight details:
The 7th of december
Kullaflyg op by Golden Air Stockholm Bromma -->Ängeholm/Helsingborg
Flight: DC545
A/C: ATR 72-500 SE-MDC
Dep time:12.20
Arr time:13.35
Load: 68%, 49 pax on board
View from my seat 14D:
Boarding was quick and the door was closed and the F/A´s started their safety-demo. Then a fast taxi to runway 30 for a rolling take-off. These ATR´s are really powerfull. The most common thing at BMA is set parking-brake, full power and then released, but not this time with the ATR
A couple of minutes into-flight we made a sharp turn to the south and shortly afterwards the seat-belt sign is turned off and the F/A´s started their service. Service is I mentioned earlier BOB and I purchased a cup of coffee for 20SEK(2Euros).
Some in-flight views:
The flaps gradations:
More cloudly further south:
When reaching cruisingaltitude the F/O came over the P/A and thell us that we are ate 6500 meteras and have a cruisingspeed of 500km (19 000 feet, 270 knots).
After almost 1 hour inflight we started our descent towards Ängelholm and Helsingborg airport
There´s a bus connection from the airport to Ängelholm and Helsingborg. The fare to Helsingborg is 100SEK(11Euros) and take around 30 min. it first stops in Ängelholm and then continue for Helsingborg.
In helsingborg I had lunch and walked around for an hour before headed to ferry to Helsingör in Denmark.
Some pictures from Helsingborg:
Helsingborg is a quit nice city with around 90 000 inhabitants
The ferryterminal:
My ferry, M/S Tycho Brahe:
The price for the 15-min trip is 30SEK(3Euros).
I didn´t botherd to go to the Tax-Free shop. I bought a some tax-free ciggaretts in the café and sat down looking out on the sea.
15 minutes later we arrived in helsingör-Denmark.
The Castle from Hamlet, in English Helsingör is called Ellsinore:
The trainstation is in the same building as the ferryterminal and I bought a ticket to Copenhagen airport. The price was 120 DKK (15Euros) quit expensive.
The trainride to CPH should take 55min but after some problems at the Centralstation in Copenhagen I arrived at CPH after 1h15 min. The train then continue for the Öresundsbridge to Malmö-Sweden and the on to Gothenburg.
I stayed at the Copenhagen Stay inn. Just 5min from CPH.
My room for 800DKK(105Euros)
My flight to Karlstad depart 11.40 the next day so no need for a early start. I left the hotel 10.00 and took a taxi arriving at CPH 5 min later.
I check-in with self-service machine at terminal 3 and then went for security which just take around 10 minutes.
I took a cup of coffee at Starbucks and sat down for some spotting:
Lufthansa A320:
SAS A321:
SAS A340:
Air Berlin A319:
SAS CRJ:
And again:
Austrian A319:
LOT Embraer:
Air France A318:
My Fokker arriving from KSD:
Cimber air and the ATR:
20 min before departure I went to the gate which today was C5
Boarding have already started when I arrived so I show my boardingpass and went down the stair for the waiting area for the bus.
A really light load today, only 11 pax me included. When the last pax enter the waitingarea the busdriver showed up and walked us to the bus. We made a quit long drive to the parking stand were our A/C waited for us, SE-LIT
Flight details:
The 8th of December
Skyways Copenhagen-->Karlstad
Flight: JZ705
Dep time: 11.40
Arr time: 12.50
Load 22%, 11 pax
We were greethed by a senior F/A named Anna at the door, not the standard based crew here.
Free seating here on JZ, I took the window seat on the last row, 14E
The door to the rear cargohold was open, quit large:
View from my seat:
We just sat down for around 10 min, no info way but I´m guessing that we had to wait for our depature time.
Finally the engines was turned on and Anna started the safetydemo. Then a rather long taxi to runway 4R were we took off 5 min early.
Since the light load we climbed fast to our crusingaltitude. At 10 000 feet the seat-belt sign was turned off and the F/A started the cabinservice. Today we was offered a chocolat-bar with cold and hot drinks, I took a cup of coffee.
Just departed:
Cabinservice:
The Cabin:
The Fokker galley:
Overhead panel:
The flight was uneventful and quick with some tailwinds according to the F/A. No in flight-info.
During cruise:
After 50 min into flight the pilot came over the PA and told us that it was 10 min to landing and he turned on the seat-belt sign. Then 5 min later he came over the PA again and told us the weather in Karlstad had been worse and then it now was not possible landing because of the low visibilty. We have to hold and after two rounds he told us that the visibility had been better and they had started a fast approach in case the visibility will be lower again. We mange to lan 5 minutes later on Karlstad airport runway 21 just 15 min late, good
FLIEGER67 From Turkey, joined Sep 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6118 times:
Hey, Robert,
well done, I like you´re Scandinavia travels,
something to do also for me next year.
That was for sure a very interesting airline and aircraft combination
and together with an A.net meet, always good to follow.
17 degrees difference in between CPH and KSD, impressive, nice winter pictures all the way.
In fact I was surprised while checking the fares and flights for June that
Skyways ist still on schedule with a pretty good fare on the CPH-KSD route.
I will tell you more about it later.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5537 times:
Hello Markus!
Thank you for your comment.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2): In fact I was surprised while checking the fares and flights for June that
Skyways ist still on schedule with a pretty good fare on the CPH-KSD route.
I will tell you more about it later.
Hmm..strange. I was talking with a guy a couple of weeks ago that were going to fly JKG-ARN in late December and his flight was not showed on schedules. Maybe it´s changed now with this Cypriot company bought JZ?
infodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1245 posts, RR: 34 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5042 times:
Hello Robert,
It's always interesting to read about the same journey from someone else's point of view and nice that you were able to make a 3 day trip out of your travels.
I always enjoy seeing photos of Scandinavian towns, particularly at this time of year with all the snow.
What a big ferry for that 15minute ride. It reminds me of the one I once took between Malta & Gozo. I'm sure the similarity of the names Helsingborg and Helsingör must confuse people, what with them being in different countries.
Quoting parton87 (Thread starter): In Cph the temprature was +2 degrees So 17 degrees difference and not that far away!
How I hate temperature differences like this!
Happy flying
Infodesk
"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4933 times:
Hello Infodesk!
Thank you for your nice comment
Quoting infodesk (Reply 4): I'm sure the similarity of the names Helsingborg and Helsingör must confuse people, what with them being in different countries.
Yes you are probably right. And it´s not make it any easier that it´s almost impossible for people outside Scandinavia to pronounce it. I don't think many people now about the international name on Helsingör either- Elsinore.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 4): What a big ferry for that 15minute ride.
There was only 10 people on board me included But on the summers the used to be quit packed. Many people going on a road trip in Europe takes this ferry-route. In the winters it´s mainly commuters. It´s quit many people living in southern Sweden and working in Denmark because the wages are much higher there. Since both Denmark and Sweden are members of the European union you just can go working.
Quoting infodesk (Reply 4): How I hate temperature differences like this!
I agree. The Danish pax on board were pretty freaked out about the cold temperatures. Between CPH and KSD it´s 500 km so its not far but still a big difference in temperature.
CoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4905 times:
I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4858 times:
Hello Coachclass!
Thank you for your comment. I think the newer models, the -500 have some improvements, but the ATR overall is a very common A/C in Europe. Almost every European country has a ATR service, even in the colder areas. For example, Finncom- Finland, Cimber air- Denmark, Eurolot-Poland, CSA-Czech, Air France Regional, Alitalia etc.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6191 posts, RR: 79 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4842 times:
Hi Robert,
nice report, interesting mix of aircraft and airlines.
Quoting parton87 (Thread starter): Otherwise I always have a "target" but this time I just go around southern Scandinavia but with stops on the way of course
FlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1705 posts, RR: 41 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4577 times:
Hi Robert,
Finally I had time to read your side of the story and about your continuation adventures. Sounds like you had quite a relaxed journey after we parted our ways. I didn't realize you were actually going to spend another night in Denmark, I thought you were doing the BMA-AGH, CPH-KSD all on one day!
Some nice snowy pictures, somehow the ones around Jönköping look very familiar..
Once more thanks, is was a blast. Let's see when we can hook up again. Maybe you should come to Finland and we could do some domestic flying together.
Quoting CoachClass (Reply 6): I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.
Really? I've never heard that one, ATRs have been very heavily used on Finnish domestic traffic for the last 20+ years. Heck, Karair (long since absorbed into Finnair) was even the launch customer for the ATR-72 200 series and nowadays both FC and KF (the latter being actually operated by DC) operate quite a lot of domestic traffic in this country with the -500 series, FC also using the smaller -42s. As far as I know there have never been any problems with icing or snow. There have been issues, sure, but those were mostly due to FC pilots lacking enough flying experience.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
Hello Petteri!
Thank you for your comment
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10): Once more thanks, is was a blast. Let's see when we can hook up again. Maybe you should come to Finland and we could do some domestic flying together.
That sounds great. Maybe in the beginning of next year? We keep in touch!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10): Finally I had time to read your side of the story and about your continuation adventures. Sounds like you had quite a relaxed journey after we parted our ways. I did't realize you were actually going to spend another night in Denmark, I thought you were doing the BMA-AGH, CPH-KSD all on one day!
You did´t? I wanted a day-light flight for better views and as you now my camera it´s not good on night-pictures.
CoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4366 times:
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 10): Quoting CoachClass (Reply 6):
I really enjoyed the photos. What amazes me is that the ATR's are used in snowy weather. I thought that they were deemed not safe because of icing issues and that's why AA reassigned theirs to the Caribbean. Perhaps the icing issue has been resolved otherwise they wouldn't be used so much in Scandinavia.
Really? I've never heard that one, ATRs have been very heavily used on Finnish domestic traffic for the last 20+ years. Heck, Karair (long since absorbed into Finnair) was even the launch customer for the ATR-72 200 series and nowadays both FC and KF (the latter being actually operated by DC) operate quite a lot of domestic traffic in this country with the -500 series, FC also using the smaller -42s. As far as I know there have never been any problems with icing or snow. There have been issues, sure, but those were mostly due to FC pilots lacking enough flying experience.
Go to Wikipedia and type in "American Eagle Flight 4184" and read the history and aftermath of the fatal crash from icing and that American Airlines moved its ATR flights to warmer climes. The article mentions better training and some modifications as an explanation for reduction in incidents. Also, maybe the nature of the icing is somewhat different in Scandinavia.
parton87 From Sweden, joined Sep 2008, 524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4279 times:
Hello coachclass!
When it comes to ice I´m not sure if it´s any differences? Maybe in Scandinavia it´s not the same icing conditions as in the Chicago areas but maybe in other parts of Europe?