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Romanian TR: Bucuresti-Suceava Via Timisoara  
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9303 times:

Trip report: BBU-TSR-SBZ-SCV

A distinct lack of turboprops in my flight log prompted me to attempt to get on at least of couple of such aircraft in the summer of 2010. Well, turboprops make up a large percentage of Romanian domestic flights. Generally, these flights are neither too expensive, nor cheap, in comparison to the alternatives.

However, in 2010, Blue Air operated some internal flights as well. Being a low-cost airline, Blue Air offered somewhat lower fares. However, the intended destination, Suceava, was not served by Blue Air. But, Carpatair did serve them (TAROM did too, but this flight both arrived too late and was on the only type of turboprop I had experienced before). So, the itinerary was set:

Blue Air #9692 Bucharest Baneasa-Timisoara “Traian Vuia” (BBU-TSR): 09:45-10:45
Carpatair #8315 Timisoara “Traian Vuia”-Sibiu-Suceava “Stefan cel Mare” (TSR-SBZ-SCV): 15:30-16:45

Flights operated by Saab 340B and Saab 2000 aircraft, respectively.

Blue Air flight left from Baneasa airport. Now, I’m not exactly squeamish or anything, but Baneasa (Aurel Vlaicu is the official name) is probably the biggest shithole of an airport I’ve been to. I’m not saying that in a mean-spirited way. It’s close to the city, but… That’s the only good thing about it. It’s extremely small, dirty and crowded. It was designed for one third, if not one tenth, of its current passenger load. Fortunately, or not, it will probably become a thing of the past in the next few years (5-10 years). With Otopeni’s capacity growing with the opening of the new wing next March, the larger airport will be able to handle all of Bucharest’s traffic.

Why unfortunately, you may ask, if I hate the place? Because it’s also the resting place for interesting aircraft, like 727s and DC-8s. Plus MD-80s (lots of them) although the latter aren’t quite as interesting.

Anyway, back to Baneasa stories… Having only a handful of domestic flights a day (currently no such flights), there was no real boarding area… It was improvised completely. There were no seats, just a security checkpoint and a door that looks like anything but a gateway to aircraft. Of course, it’s technically the gateway to a bus. Yes, and that’s the general feeling: Baneasa looks more like a bus station than an airport. In fact, a picture will exemplify this.

Alright, so, the main attraction. The flight to Timisoara. Well. We boarded late, with no announcements. Well, then again, I doubt they could make any announcements in that room, and announcements in the main hall would be rendered inaudible by distance and Wizzair pax to London getting boarding passes right next to our unmarked gate. A young guy who had checked my OLCI BP’s earlier in the day arrived and started the boarding process. About 12 passengers on the flight, which means about a 40% LF. No wonder Blue Air stopped their BBU-TSR service a couple of months later.


The pictures are poor for a couple of reasons. First, the windows are quite dirty; second… It’s Romania. I’m never sure when it’s allowed to take pictures. These will have to do.

Pitcures from Baneasa apron and take-off:
A 727 and lots of MD-80s here. A bunch of corporate jets (with Romanian regs, mostly, but also a German one). Also, UR-AER, an Ukrainian registered DO-328JET, which was the highlight. Thanks to the shape of our Saab 340B engines, I couldn’t get a clean pic of the aircraft. Damn it. In the last pic, you can see buses, buses everywhere, but not a plane to see.













Blue Air provided good services on the short hop to Timisoara. Both a sandwich and a drink were served. Very interesting, that a LCC offers free food and drink on any flight (of course, the longer flights do not see this sort of service from Blue Air). Anyway, it puts any US airline to shame, really.

Here's a cabin pic:


After a 45 min ride, the descent of the formerly Spain and New Zealand registered aircraft started its descent into Timisoara; the descent was particularly smooth and continuous. We landed at Timisoara slightly late, but there was no hurry anyway. Here’s the aircraft, YR-DAC, and a Farnair Beech 1900 at Timisoara, from the other side of the airport bus taking us to the terminal (which is very modern, but quite bland).





My travel partner wasn’t impressed by either Baneasa or the landing at the TSR airport (actually the state of TSR’s runway), but she did say the new Timisoara terminal “looks like an airport”, an obvious reference to Baneasa’s condition.

Here are a couple of pics of Timisoara center and cathedral. It’s a nice place to visit, but quite far from the airport (12 km, not far by LCC standards I guess), so the taxi ride almost cost more than the flight (for one person).





Anyway, after a good couple of hours or so in Timisoara city we headed back to TSR by city bus. Then we got the actual boarding passes in the airport, even though we had done OLCI. The check-in lady was a bit confused by this request, but soon gave us the boarding passes. We proceeded through security (there was nothing much after security). Soon the hall filled with connecting passengers, as KRP’s flights from Europe came in (their model is to offer 1 h connections at TSR from/to most Romanian airports). Soon, we started boarding. The flight was now routed through Sibiu, which recently got a new terminal. My dear partner did not seem to enjoy the detour, but I was all for two flights for the price of one.

The flight was quite excellent. Used to US regional airlines, with 1 F/A for a 50-seater, I was surprised by the 3 F/As on today’s flight. They took care of everyone, were very focused on everyone’s safety and provided quick, efficient service in the air. To be precise, we received a large sandwich and a drink on the TSR-SBZ sector, and another drink onwards to SCV. Since the flight time to Sibiu was no more than 30 minutes, 3 F/As were strongly indicated to complete the service.

The flight was not full, about 35 pax total, half of which got off in Sibiu, the rest went onwards to Suceava. This is a likely explanation as to why KRP sometimes combines the 2 flights in one.

Here's Sibiu airport:




After a short refueling at Sibiu (seatbelts off, please, everyone), we started our flight to Suceava, which took about 35 minutes. The Saab 2000 provided a smooth ride. However, the third descent in a day left my partner a bit queasy, these being her first flights in 10 years. Nevertheless, we arrived in Suceava and were picked up immediately afterwards (you have to like these small airports where it takes 2 minutes to leave the actual building).

Anyway, here are some pictures: First of all, an aerial picture of the city of Piatra-Neamt. Another picture of the village of Varatec, with train tracks visible. A couple of pictures of the outside of SCV airport and a pic from the very rustic arrivals lounge in SCV.












Overall, Carpatair is definitely one of the best airlines I’ve flown, if not the best. I strongly recommend them to whoever’s interested in flying to Romania.

YR-SBE:


Blue Air offered good services on this flight, but with their recent financial problems, they abandoned domestic flights. International flights are truly low-cost in nature, no free drinks or such.

Here's a pic from Suceava:
The main train station:


You can search for Dragomirna Monastery, or "Cetatea de Scaun" Suceava for pics of important buildings nearby, if you're interested.

Thanks for reading.

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User currently offlineluxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 511 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Hi there,
really nice TR with lots of good pictures
Gives a really detailed impression on Romanian aviation  
Thank you a lot for sharing and merry christmas
Johannes


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting luxair747SP (Reply 1):

Thanks for commenting. A merry Christmas to you too!


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

Hi, great TR...

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
No wonder Blue Air stopped their BBU-TSR service a couple of months later.

Is Blue Air (or Direct Aero Services) still flying the SAAB SF340 at all? On which route?

Merry X-mas!


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 3):

Hi Debonair,

A couple of Saabs are still flying; the rest were leased out or perhaps sold. The remaining ones are on contract with the Romanian Post for cargo flights. At least this was the case when I last checked... The routes vary, but over the week they probably see most Romanian airports. The Saabs had this task alongside pax operations since the beginning, switching between post/passenger flights in the early evenings. One such route they flew SCV-IAS-BCM-BBU-BCM-IAS-SCV. (I hope all these codes are in the database)

Other routes they operated were SCV-FCO, SCV-VIE and SCV-VCE, for a period with a stop in BAY. The Italian flights often went out pretty full, even though a 3+ hour flight in a Saab 340A is not exactly pleasant for most (diversions often occurred due to long route, weather in SCV). Unfortunately Blue Air got rid of many many routes and many many aircraft. Their situation is very bad right now.

Happy Holidays!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25831 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7598 times:

Thanks for the report.

Sadly looks like Romania still living in the time warp. Does not look much different than my first visit in the dark 1970s.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7568 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

Well, yes, parts of it (like BBU, SCV and the mentality) are stuck in a time warp. The new terminals point out that something is changing; so I'd say only about half the country is in the time warp. So you've got an interesting new/old mix. Unfortunately, there's not much money going around here for basic things... The problem is that Romania is not an "aesthetic" country--no effort is put in to make the country beautiful. However, it's still a very interesting place to visit.

Anyway, thanks for reading and commenting!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27159 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

Hey nice report and welcome back   Have not seen you in a while hope all is well?

I still didnt get to OTP would love to sometime, sometimes a step back in time is a good thing and interesting!


Regards

OA260


User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Hi DC9,

A very good report on regional domestic flying in Romania. I very much like these kind of reports, covering lesser known routes and giving a glimpse of domestic operations in various countries.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):

Now, I’m not exactly squeamish or anything, but Baneasa (Aurel Vlaicu is the official name) is probably the biggest shithole of an airport I’ve been to. It’s extremely small, dirty and crowded. It was designed for one third, if not one tenth, of its current passenger load.

Oh, tell me about it. I spent a nasty 5+ hour layover there in August (there's a TR here about it) after arriving on a red-eye Blue Air flight from MAD. Not a nice place at all, but I guess it has its historical value. I kinda like the architecture, the building looking like a propeller from above. But as you put it, it is too crowded, dirty and just generally run down to be of any comfort.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Because it’s also the resting place for interesting aircraft, like 727s and DC-8s. Plus MD-80s (lots of them) although the latter aren’t quite as interesting.

Oh yes, noticed this as well.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Here's a cabin pic:

Those Coca Cola ads look quite cheap to me!

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
Here are a couple of pics of Timisoara center and cathedral. It’s a nice place to visit, but quite far from the airport (12 km, not far by LCC standards I guess), so the taxi ride almost cost more than the flight (for one person).

Hey, these few shots bring back some memories. I did KIV-TSR-LWO on Carpat Air (and Moldavian Airlines) a couple of years ago. I had a long layover at Timisoara so went to the city for a couple of hours. I quite liked it, sorry to say (if you are a native of Bucharest) but I absolutely hate Bucharest, but Timisoara was something completely different.

Quoting dc9northwest (Thread starter):
The flight was quite excellent. Used to US regional airlines, with 1 F/A for a 50-seater, I was surprised by the 3 F/As on today’s flight.

Interesting to see so many FAs. Western operators have just a single FA on the S2000. My flight to LWO had two, one Romanian and one Ukrainian. And yes, the service on V3 is very very good.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 6):
The problem is that Romania is not an "aesthetic" country--no effort is put in to make the country beautiful. However, it's still a very interesting place to visit.

Well, it's actually a crying shame! There are lots and lots of very scenic places in Romania, like Transylvania and the grand Carpathian mountains... Too bad may tourists just visit Bucharest, which definitely is not beautiful at all.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Hey nice report and welcome back Have not seen you in a while hope all is well?

Thanks! Yeah, all is going well, I was just less active around here than usually these past few months! Anyway, I finally got the chance to add a couple of TRs!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 8):
Not a nice place at all, but I guess it has its historical value. I kinda like the architecture, the building looking like a propeller from above.

Yes, and it's at least a bit "special" in comparison to some airports out there... But it'd work better as an aviation museum than an actual >1M pax airport.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 8):
Those Coca Cola ads look quite cheap to me!

Cheap-looking ads from a LCC? No way!  
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 8):
I quite liked it, sorry to say (if you are a native of Bucharest) but I absolutely hate Bucharest, but Timisoara was something completely different.

What they say about Bucharest--you love it or you hate it. I'm from Bucharest; I don't dislike the city per se--but you can call it ugly... It is! But it's never boring.

Timisoara is famous for starting the Romanian Revolution and it's the home base for the first successful private airline in Romania.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 8):
Interesting to see so many FAs. Western operators have just a single FA on the S2000. My flight to LWO had two, one Romanian and one Ukrainian. And yes, the service on V3 is very very good.

I'm guessing the shorter flights have more F/As so they can finish the meal service more quickly!

Anyway, yes, the best attractions are in Bukovina, Maramures and Transylvania. Generally speaking, the areas under Austro-Hungarian influence a couple of hundred years ago. I think Bucharest shouldn't be avoided--but one should plan carefully.


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