PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77 Posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32565 times:
Background Fifth Freedom is a magic term in aviation enthusiast circles. Fifth Freedom enables us to fly on airlines without having to travel all the way to their home countries. One of the various non-European airlines with traffic rights between some European cities is Kuwait Airways. I had been interested in the carrier and its operations between Frankfurt and Geneva (A340-300) and between Rome and Paris (A300-600) for a long time. By the end of May I finally decided to book a flight on one of these routes. It soon turned out that flying times and fares were most attractive on the Rome-Paris run. Getting on the A300-600 was not a priority, but of course I wasn't unhappy about another ride on that meanwhile classic and more or less rare bird.
The next task was to find attractive flights to Rome and from Paris. One-way fares to Rome were insanely expensive, but I soon discovered a reasonably priced MUC-FCO-MUC round trip on Alitalia, operated by an Air One CityLiner CRJ900. In order to avoid fare increases and booking fees I quickly bought the tickets on Expedia and then started searching for a hotel and interesting return flight options.
Kuwait Airways would be my 98th airline and Air One CityLiner would be my 99th, so of course I tried to complete my itinerary with airline No. 100. Unfortunately, I didn't find any interesting and reasonably priced options between Paris and Munich. Then I decided to have a look at the Air France A380 service to London. I hadn't wanted to book a trip for the sole reason of getting on that bird, but why not add it to an existing itinerary? One-way fares were too expensive, but I found a round trip for 78 Euro and quickly booked it on Air France's website.
Now I needed to find a flight to Munich, but again I wasn't impressed by the available options at first. easyJet offered relatively low fares, but I didn't like the idea of a transfer from Heathrow to Gatwick. I finally was about to book an ordinary British Airways A319 flight, but then I suddenly discovered a well-timed connection offered by Austrian Airlines: bmi A320 to Vienna and Tyrolean Airways Fokker 100 to Munich. I wasn't amused about the price, but I couldn't resist to get on Tyrolean which would be my 100th airline. I booked the remaining flights on Expedia and finally reserved a room at the Ibis CDG Terminal hotel.
After logging several more registrations from my hotel room...
...I enjoyed the excellent breakfast buffet, checked out and took the CDGVAL to Terminal 2. I had already printed my boarding pass at home, so there was no need to stay in the Terminal 2E check-in hall.
It was my first journey on Air France after the company had introduced the automatic check-in for most short and medium haul flights. Whenever you book on www.airfrance.com you automatically receive the boarding pass 30 hours before departure. At the time of booking I hadn't been able to select a seat, but I had requested a window seat. Unfortunately, during the automatic check-in process, the system assigned me a window seat in the front section on the main deck. I had been seated on the main deck on Emirates and Singapore Airlines, so I really wanted to try the A380's upper deck this time. Some 28 hours prior to departure I checked the seatmap and found out that all window seats on the upper deck weren't available any more. So I chose seat 93K in the end, an aisle seat on the upper deck - not optimal, but still acceptable. I didn't check the seatmap again at the airport and went straight to security where I joined a long queue.
20 minutes later I arrived at the gate and was glad to find out that F-HPJA, the first A380 in the fleet, would operate flight AF1980. Unfortunately, taking good pictures was impossible:
Sister ship F-HPJB was parked at the adjacent gate:
I still had plenty of time left, so I walked to the front end of the concourse where I could enjoy great views of two runways, some taxiways and some gates. I and was able to log many new registrations within an hour, one of the most interesting birds was Air France 777-300ER F-GZNE in Skyteam colors:
Finally, it was time to return to the gate and I wasn't amused to find a large crowd there. I wasn't sure where I should line up at first, but then I noticed signs for both main deck and upper deck passengers. Apparently, numerous people had not seen or understood the signs and chosen the wrong queues. Anyway, boarding commenced early so it was obvious that all passengers would be on board for an on-time departure.
I had been expecting that Air France would also use the upper deck jetway for boarding, but the corresponding escalators were blocked off. Friendly flight attendants welcomed me at a main deck door and directed me to the stairs. Of course I took a picture of the famous "salon":
Business Class seats:
The 19-inch wide Economy Class seats are hard, but still comfortable...
...and the 34-inch seat pitch must be appreciated, too:
I really liked the low mood lighting during boarding:
Taking pictures through the windows on the upper deck isn't less difficult than doing so on the main deck. Air France 747-400, Aeromexico 767-200ER and Delta 757-200:
"Are you here for pleasure?" my seat neighbor asked me immediately after his arrival. "Pure pleasure", I replied and we started talking. After a few sentences he introduced himself as A.net user brightcedars and he was surprised when I introduced myself as PlaneHunter. Later we talked to the guy in seat 92L and found out that he was user babybus - what a coincidence to come together in that section without any planning!
Some time after boarding had been completed, the captain announced a flying time of 40 minutes, but also informed us about a slight delay due to a "last minute technical check". I was assuming that we would depart 15, 20 or maybe 30 minutes late, but I didn't think anything of it and we continued talking about past and future trips, aircraft types, orders etc. However, after not hearing any news for at least 30 minutes, we started wondering.
At 10:45, no less than 40 minutes after the scheduled departure time, the captain came back on the intercom. The first announcement was in French which I once learned in school. I don't remember much of that language, unfortunately, but I clearly understood a short term - and that was enough to know that something serious was going on: "Autorisation d'Airbus"
Before the captain repeated the announcement in English, brightcedars had translated the message: Air France was being faced with a technical problem and had to ask Airbus for authorization. I was shocked about these news considering that I had to catch a connecting flight at London. My bmi flight to Vienna would leave at 14:05 (London time) from Terminal 1 and I still had to pick up a boarding pass. There were more than four hours left, but I wasn't expecting an immediate departure of our A380.
My mood was getting worse when brightcedars told me that some flight attendants in the galley were already whispering about a possible cancellation. I knew well that I would be stranded at CDG in such a case. A rebooking to a later London flight would be useless, my connecting flight would be lost. I draw the conclusion that I would need to buy a new ticket to fly from Paris to Munich - and that would be very expensive.
brightcedars was concerned about missing his first A380 flight, but he had booked a same-day return trip on the big bird - so at least he wouldn't face a financial loss. I had flown on two different A380s before, but of course I also didn't like the thought that I may not be able to add the AF model to my log. Flight attendants passed through the cabin several times during the waiting time and offered water, but I didn't want to drink anything.
Some time after the captain's announcement, when a flight attendant was walking by, brightcedars took the chance and asked her in French what was going on. She then told him that, apparently, a ground vehicle had hit a cargo door. After hearing this, I was almost convinced that the flight would be cancelled - and I started hoping that the worst case scenario would be announced soon so that I wouldn't lose too much time...
At 11:30, just after I had put back my camera, binoculars and other stuff to my hand luggage, the captain made a new announcement. I was prepared for jumping up, but then he said: "Good news!" According to him, Airbus had given go ahead to operate the flight and the crew was just waiting for some signatures.
All of us where relieved and we were now looking forward to the flight more than ever. However, nothing happened for another 30 minutes. Did a person in charge refuse to sign in the end?, I thought. My transfer time was shrinking and shrinking, only about two hours would be left after arrival. Transferring at LHR can be a pain and I was hoping that there would be an airside connection between Terminal 4 and Terminal 1.
Finally, exactly 1 hour and 56 minutes behind the scheduled departure time, the big bird started moving...PUSH-BACK!!!
Now I truly enjoyed the tail camera views:
The massive wings make this taxiway appear quite narrow:
At 12:24 F-HPJA finally turned onto the runway, quietly accelerated...
...and gently lifted off after a short take-off roll:
While climbing away from the runway we were hit by turbulence, causing the wings to oscillate - quite interesting experience.
Suddenly the tail camera was hit by bird strike - or whatever it was. Unfortunately, the camera was switched off before I could take a picture (see the landing pictures).
Interesting air show feature:
Due to the short flying time I quickly checked the IFE options. Main menu:
The Thales TopSeries IFE system offers a choice of about 100 on-demand movies, 300 audio CDs, 26 games and many more features. In my opinion, the live cameras and the interactive maps beat them all:
The flight attendants started offering drinks and snacks only a few minutes after take-off - there was no time to lose on that short hop. Before they arrived at our row I quickly made some more cabin shots. I didn't see an empty seat in the upper deck Y Class section:
Stairway blocked off:
I ordered a Pepsi Max and also got very tasty cookies:
We crossed the channel at 24,000 feet and started descending only 23 minutes after take-off. Final approach:
Tail camera view again - this time a bit different:
We touched down 47 minutes after take-off and I was hoping that the plane would taxi straight to its gate. However, the plane had to stay on the taxiway for some time and didn't arrive at the gate earlier than 12:25, exactly two hours behind schedule. It took another ten minutes until I was able to leave the aircraft, so I had 1 hour and 30 minutes left for the transfer. Last picture of F-HPJA:
I followed the connection signs and was relieved when I found out that there was an airside bus transfer to Terminal 1.
About 20 minutes after leaving the AF A380 I arrived at a bmi transfer desk and picked up my boarding passes for the flights to Vienna and Munich. I had asked about a window seat in the rear section on the bmi A320 and the friendly female agent had kindly offered 27A in the last row. That was surprising considering that barely one hour was left until departure. Interestingly, the gate number wasn't even shown yet, so I had to "wait in lounge" some more time - that procedure at LHR never ceases to annoy me.
When I arrived at the gate some 45 minutes prior to departure I was happy to find G-MIDX there - the last remaining aircraft in the world wearing the old Star Alliance livery. Quite funny to see the Ansett, Mexicana and Varig logos on the fuselage:
I continued spotting as long as possible and stepped on board among the last few passengers. The flight was packed, but the middle seat in my row remained empty. The leather seats were quite comfortable, even though my seatback didn't stay in upright position:
Legroom was absolutely sufficient - definitely better than on the bmi A319 which I had flown on in early 2009:
Parked next to us was A321-200 G-MEDU, originally ordered and never taken up by BMed:
After boarding had been completed, the captain announced a traffic related delay of 15 minutes. I took the menu card from the seat pocket and was quite disappointed that only muffins and similar stuff would be available for sale - not even sandwiches. A friendly male flight attendant who was chatting with another passenger suddenly turned to me and said: "Sir, sir? It's free!" I was positively surprised to hear that. Drinks and snacks hadn't been offered free of charge on my first bmi flight between London and Dublin in early 2009. Apparently you only have to pay on domestic flights and other short services.
We finally left the gate eight minutes behind schedule and started taxiing to runway 27R. British Airways 777-200ER G-YMMI with anti-strike slogan:
After spending 16 minutes on various taxiways, G-MIDX powerfully accelerated. Climbing out of Heathrow is always a pleasure:
We stopped climbing for a while after breaking through the clouds:
Kent Airport on the left, the city of Ramsgate on the right:
26 minutes later we passed Brussels Airport:
The friendly flight attendants soon served an egg sandwich, an orange juice and black tea. Good to see that free range eggs were used:
I was really surprised about the high quality sandwich, it tasted very good. The black tea wasn't bad either.
Emirates 777-300 heading down to Dubai:
The remaining flight was uneventful - well, almost. The lady in the aisle seat was stressed for a while by her three kids who were seated in the opposite row. They were having a loud dispute and after the lady had failed to calm them down, she grabbed one of the kids and placed it next to me in the empty middle seat. The flight was almost over anyway...
Low clouds on approach to Vienna:
We touched down after a flying time of 1 hour and 53 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position:
I was very glad about that because I could take some more pictures of the plane which may get a new paint job soon:
After arriving at the terminal, I went straight to the rundown Hall B where my flight to Munich would depart from two hours later. I could have stayed elsewhere for a while, but I was neither hungry nor thirsty and viewing options in other airside areas wouldn't have been much better. I took a seat at my gate and kept reading a book and a newspaper while the whole area was getting more and more crowded.
Boarding commenced on time, but we remained stuck in the bus for a while. There was a problem with someone's boarding pass and it took at least ten minutes to solve it. The bus finally brought us to OE-LVL, one of 15 Fokker 100s in the fleet:
Operated by Tyrolean - my 100th airline.
After being welcomed by a friendly flight attendant, I made my way to row 20. I'm not sure what to think of the green color, but the old-style seats were quite comfortable:
What I definitely didn't like was the tight seat pitch:
Seat 20A - which I had selected in advance on OS' website - was just perfect: Engine on the left, wing on the right:
We left the parking position eight minutes behind schedule and I could take one last picture of good old G-MIDX which was still here:
It took another 13 minutes until OE-LVL noisily lifted off into the gray skies. This is what I would call "field artwork":
Clouds + evening sun = beautiful scenery:
There was an announcement during climb, but I didn't understand a single word due to engine noise. So who knows what they tried to tell us.
After the flight attendants had started serving drinks and snacks, I quickly took a cabin picture. Not a single empty seat on this evening service:
I also went to the lavatory and soon found out that the door lock didn't work properly, but I managed to be back before the flight attendants arrived at my row.
In light of Austrian's recent cost cutting measures I was expecting to get some crackers or probably a small sandwich, but the flight attendants served a salad box:
The mixed salad along with the dressing tasted very good - and the wholemeal bread wasn't bad either. Well done, Austrian:
Some 30 minutes after take-off we already started descending again. I would have preferred to keep cruising over the clouds some more time:
Only a few more moments to go:
OE-LVL touched down after a flying time of 44 minutes and quickly slowed down:
Privatair 737-800 operating for Lufthansa:
We stopped at a remote parking position five minutes behind schedule, next to Lufthansa A319 D-AILE:
One last picture of OE-LVL:
Some minutes later the bus dropped us off at the terminal and I felt sorry for numerous passengers who started running to get their connecting flights. Hopefully they made it. All I needed to do was to take the S-Bahn to the P81 car park. Three new airlines - including my 100th carrier - two flights on extraordinary widebodies and 123 new registrations for my spotting logbook - another PlaneHunting journey was successfully completed.
The delay on Air France was nerve-racking, but there's no reason to complain about the airline. The problem was caused by a ground vehicle and the captain kept us updated. As soon as we had left the gate, I enjoyed the time on AF's A380 which offers lots of seating comfort and a great IFE system. Ground staff members and flight attendants were friendly and I was also satisfied with the catering on that very short flight. However, I didn't like the automatic check-in. Anyway, it's just a matter of time until I will book a long-haul flight on AF's A380.
My expectations hadn't been high after a rather disappointing experience in 2009, but this time bmi surprised me with friendly ground staff members and flight attendants, comfortable seating and good catering. I would definitely choose the carrier again.
I felt a bit cramped on the Fokker 100, but the flight on Tyrolean Airways was still a positive experience due to friendly staff and good catering. I wouldn't hesitate to book Austrian Airlines again, but I hope that the airport's Hall B will be refurbished soon.
luxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 511 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32264 times:
as usual very detailed and good TR.
The delay of the AF A380 in LHR reminds me of my delay with exactly that aircraft in LHR, looks like it was the case frequently.
You are lucky to have got the BD logojet. The interieur somehow reminds me of the old BA one.
And the salad on such a short hop with tyrolean is just awesome. They really should keep that.
All in all very nice read, perfect for a christmas day evening
Thank you a lot for sharing and merry christmas
CaptainRed From Germany, joined Oct 2010, 715 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32230 times:
congratulations for logging your 100th airline and thanks for this nice trip report, enjoyed it very much. I could really feel with you during that delay at CDG, having experienced something like this as well just last year. Fortunately everything worked out well for you. That A380 flight really seems to attract a few a.netters.
AOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32192 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): After a few sentences he introduced himself as A.net user brightcedars and he was surprised when I introduced myself as PlaneHunter. Later we talked to the guy in seat 92L and found out that he was user babybus - what a coincidence to come together in that section without any planning!
I was here as well ! I flew the big whale to London and back to Paris on the same day.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32193 times:
great report. Reminds me on my own A380 flights on AF. Sorry about the delay, although they seem to solve the problem professionally, also when it comes to information to the passengers.
bmi is good also. Always my favourite UK carrier, it's such a shame that they pulled out of AMS. Although I am surprised to see a free sandwich. Is this the positive influence by LH nowadays? Love their blue/brown interior a lot, now they only need to bring their colours in shape on the outside. MIDX is on my log also, many years ago already.
OS was alright indeed, I got the same salad box also last summer on a F100 flight, VIE-AMS. A bit strange maybe, but I found it an original choice for an airline to serve like this. After my last experiences on them, OS is not my favourite airline, also VIE is among the worst 'large' airports in Europe, not a pleasant place to stay.
Compliments for the good picture quality again!
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
On the lower deck from CDG to LHR, and on the upper deck on the way back. The upper deck is definitely better ! BTW, in case you're a Flying Blue member, did you get the 2000 miles credited to your account as a compensation for the delay ?
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32060 times:
Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 11): Merry Christmas, PlaneHunter! It was great to see you further reducing your backlog by contributing another great, summerly trip report which certainly reminded me of warmer days this year.
Merry Christmas, Marius! Many thanks for your comments, I'm glad you liked this summer report.
Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 11): Perhaps used for purposes other than intended, I like that airlines offer their passengers this spectacular view.
Yes, just too bad you don't find that on SQ's A380.
aflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 31822 times:
Merry Christmas, Thank you for another great report and congratulations for having flown 100 airlines! I have to say I'm impressed with the service you got on all 3 airlines, especially on OS, that salad looks delicious.
Looks like AF did a good job with the moving maps and camera options.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): The friendly flight attendants soon served an egg sandwich, an orange juice and black tea. Good to see that free range eggs were used:
I never knew that bmi offered free food on these flights, a big to them for that.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): After being welcomed by a friendly flight attendant, I made my way to row 20. I'm not sure what to think of the green color, but the old-style seats were quite comfortable:
I have to say, I quite like that colour (maybe it's just my taste?). Well it's definitely better than some of the drab colours most airlines are choosing nowadays.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31682 times:
Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 14): Merry Christmas, Thank you for another great report and congratulations for having flown 100 airlines! I have to say I'm impressed with the service you got on all 3 airlines, especially on OS, that salad looks delicious.
Merry Chrismas, aflyingkiwi! Thanks for your comments!
Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 14): I never knew that bmi offered free food on these flights, a big to them for that.
I was really surprised about that.
Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 14): I have to say, I quite like that colour (maybe it's just my taste?). Well it's definitely better than some of the drab colours most airlines are choosing nowadays.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 30916 times:
Hey great report and nice memories of the A380 CDG-LHR-CDG route ! BMI only offer free food on a small selection of EU routes thats normally what you get in Prem Y on the majority. Hope they pull their socks up in 2011 at least they should revert back to free meal deal for their Gold card holders like before . They still have a way to go IMHO.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 30670 times:
Fantastic report with wonderful pictures! Too bad with the delay on AF but glad that you made the connection....I had a few hours delay one time LAX-NRT where I was to connect to PEK to fly OZ's 777. I ended up missing the connection and had to figure out a new routing and it worked out in the end, but I know very well what you were going thru.......
The sandwich on BD looks really good! I rebember flying BD LHR-FCO nine years ago and there were two meals served including one with ice cream as desert......
A bit odd with green as the color on the seats on Tyrolean/Austrian but a nice change from everything red including the stockings on the female flight attendants......
Very much looking forward to your next adventure! Very impressive with 100 airlines........
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
dtswi From Portugal, joined Aug 2001, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 30552 times:
I have to express my congratulations again - very objective text and the most beautiful pictures - are you a professional photographer ? you have the sense for framing.
look forward to your future reports.
I fly next week Thursday to BKK with swiss-will post a report, this time in eco. But we should still have some CH-cheese and hot towels (I will bring my own ameny kit, as this is not standard anymore I think).
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6903 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 30409 times:
Quoting dtswi (Reply 19): I have to express my congratulations again - very objective text and the most beautiful pictures - are you a professional photographer ? you have the sense for framing.
look forward to your future reports.
Hi Daniel, thank you very much! I do work in the media business, but I'm not a professional photographer. I only use a compact camera, btw.
Quoting dtswi (Reply 19): I fly next week Thursday to BKK with swiss-will post a report, this time in eco. But we should still have some CH-cheese and hot towels
Sounds interesting, I will watch out for the report. Have fun!
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): "Are you here for pleasure?" my seat neighbor asked me immediately after his arrival. "Pure pleasure", I replied and we started talking. After a few sentences he introduced himself as A.net user brightcedars and he was surprised when I introduced myself as PlaneHunter. Later we talked to the guy in seat 92L and found out that he was user babybus - what a coincidence to come together in that section without any planning!
Indeed. A.net meeting by surprise is always exciting.