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Il-62M Deta Air & An-24B Scat Air In Kazakhstan  
User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 507 posts, RR: 2
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Il-62M Deta Air SAW-CIT & An-24B Scat Air CIT-ALA



Good Day everyone,

Happy New Year to all of you!  champagne 

It is a great pleasure to share this trip report with you about a memorable trip on Deta Air’s Il-62M and a Scat Air An-24B in Kazakhstan, about one month back.

Before I start I would like to express a big thank you to our fellow user Ian (UK_Dispatcher) and one of his work colleagues in Istanbul, who have made this trip possible. There is no doubt that without their efforts, this trip would have never taken place. Were we were also joined by fellow user XV105 and one of his friends. A fifth user from Finland was unfortunately declined his visa on short notice due to the OSCE summit taking place on the same weekend we travelled.

I hope you enjoy reading this report, and I am looking forward to your feedback. Questions & comments are always welcome.


Background & Booking

No justifications needed that the Il-62 cannot be missed in the logbook of an aviation enthusiast. I have been after the Il-62 for several years and I remained unsuccessful so far. I missed them by a few months when they still operated in Russia until late 2008 due to the unforeseen grounding of Dalavia, Domodedovo and Interavia. Suddenly I was left out without opportunities and I have already started to write the Il-62 off. Although at that time there were still random Cubana and Air Koryo services, these turned out difficult to plan and had no predictable schedules. Good news when Deta Air from Kazakhstan leased three Il-62s to Aria Air in Iran in early 2009 to fly regular domestic passenger services. I immediately signed up for an Airevents tour to Iran confident to finally catch the Il-62, together with the 707 and many other oldtimers. Sadly this opportunity disappeared only 3 months after commencement of services with the fatal crash of UP-I6208 in June 2009. A trip on Air Koryo, I at least had a small but realistic chance to get on one of their Il-62s. On the day of departure to Pyongyang while driving up the airport ramp of Beijing’s Capital Airport I then was able to spot this:

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Our flight to Pyongyang appeared to be operated by the long hunted Il-62. It took about an hour until I realized the departure gate was a different one to this Il-62 and soon after an Air Koryo Tu-154B-2 taxied into our gate. On that day there were two flights to be operated to Pyongyang within 30 mins. I shouldn’t complain about flying on a Tu-154B-2 which was much better than their Tu-204, but no doubt the Il-62 was more difficult to catch and I thought I was very close.

A few months later I was able to snatch this photo of the ill-fated Aria Air UP-I6208 stored at Mashad International Airport.

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There were rumors Aria Air would restart a year after the accident of UP-I6208, however nothing materialized throughout 2010.

The first time I was to hear the absolute deafening noise level of the Il-62 and its four D-30KU turbofans was in Kiev Boryspol Airport in September 2010, when a Ukraine government Il-62 taxied past while I disembarked my flight from Simferopol. I tried to grab a photo, but an airport official tapped my shoulder halfway through the exposure and asked me to get on the bus. The photo hence did not turn out well, but here it is anyways:

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Very impressed by the Il-62 and looking for other possibilities, I kept browsing the production lists. I observed that Deta Air in Kazakhstan apparently had three Il-62s active in addition to the leased aircraft to Aria Air. It definitely was an unusual operator due to the fact that almost no photos or evidence of operation existed. However Deta Air upgraded their website in 2010 and suddenly a schedule was available, advertising a weekly service between Shymkent Int’l Airport (CIT) in southern Kazakhstan and Istanbul’s Sabiha Gökçen Airport (SAW).

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Immediately I started checking the departure and arrival information of SAW airport, any traffic monitor or route information tool you can imagine, but there was zero evidence this service was actually operated. There were some random Deta Air Il-62 photos in SAW airport on other aviation pages from 2007 - that was it. A year back a fellow user posted a trip report in here about a flight into SAW, where he photographed the distinctive Il-62 tail on the remote ramp. Also, an Il-62 is captured on Google Maps on the southern cargo ramp of SAW airport. That was all I could find, not a lot of promising information I guess... It also didn’t take long to figure out there was no possibility to purchase a Deta Air ticket online. The only opportunity given by the website was contacting a ticketing agent named ‘Irena’ in Istanbul.

But I was committed to give it a try as it seemed to be the last chance. One phone call and basically zero convincing was necessary to have user UK_Dispatcher on-board for this challenging trip. He had already made an attempt to contact Irena in Istanbul before I spoke to him, and he actually was successful to have her on the phone but ended up being lost in translation with zero information about this service.

Throughout 2010 we all got more desperate to fly on the Il-62, so that we launched another attempt. This time Ian was able to have a work colleague based in Istanbul calling Irena in Turkish language. Suddenly things changed quickly and we got confirmation that the service was in fact operated once weekly as advertised on their website. We immediately sent our booking requests to Ian’s working colleague, hoping things with Irena would move quickly.

Now a period of about two months followed, where we were told through a long chain of information that a booking was in place, but we were not given any written evidence or confirmation whatsoever. Numerous requests with Irena followed to get information on when the service was operated and what the fare was. To make a very long story short, it took over a month and a good dozen of requests and phone calls until we were finally given a scanned copy of our tickets (visible from the date, these were indeed issued not long after lodging our initial booking request). This only happened by threatening Irena that we will cancel our flights if we are not given some sort of confirmation. Luckily the visa application didn’t require booking confirmations for in- or outbound flights of Kazakhstan. It was a period full of worries, as we were told earlier that this service is usually booked out 4 weeks in advance and there are only a limited number of seats due to the combi configuration of the Il-62. Finally we received an email a week before the departure with this encouraging attachment:

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In that moment we were also given indirect confirmation about the departure time, which so far was nothing more specific than ‘very early Friday morning’. Then we also found out that the Il-62 does not fly into SAW on a Sunday night as per the online schedule, but on a Wednesday night. It then stays overnight in SAW to allow for sufficient crew rest and then flies out again every Friday morning at 4am. I assume the landing & takeoff fees of SAW are reduced at those times?

The next piece missing in this puzzle was a connection between CIT and Kazakhstan’s largest city Almaty (ALA). The only possible flights are either a daily Air Astana A320, which would require an overnight stay in CIT due to the early departure time. Then our friend from Finland found a Scat An-24 connection on the Friday afternoon fitting perfectly into our itinerary, and as a bonus a new aircraft type for all of us. Here is the route network of Scat Air with the flight CIT-ALA highlighted (click to enlarge):

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Again we were faced with the problem of booking a ticket. Scat Air’s website is a joke and of course no online booking facilities were available. Ian then made an attempt to contact a Scat Air ticketing agent in DXB, who advised us that he could make a booking but their system was down for the rest of the week (the week before departure). Then about three days before our departure he apparently made a booking, and provided a 5-digit (instead of the usual 6-digit) booking code and advised us that we could walk into the Scat Air office in CIT to pay cash on site and collect our tickets. We never received an email confirmation or so which was a bit weird, but availability was still shown in the system for this flight so we trusted him.

In terms of getting back home I found a good Air Astana fare (I think the only Kazakh airline not banned from Europe) for USD 390 routing Almaty-Astana-Frankfurt (ALA-TSE-FRA), and I added an onwards connection to ZRH on LH’s classic 737-500.

As mentioned, the visa application was possible without confirmed reservations and I was surprised how cheap and simple the process was. My travel mates unfortunately had a couple of more constraints and Ian only got his handed out two days before departure, with a good chance of not receiving it on time. But all worked out fine and we were ready to depart.

My schedule on this trip was to be as follows:

TK1908/02DEC TH ZRH/IST 1045/1430 737-800
DET9008/03DEC FR SAW/CIT 0400/1130 Il-62M
DV705/03DEC FR CIT/ALA 1630/1800 An-24B
KC621/05DEC SU ALA/TSE 1320/1510 757-200(WL)
KC921/05DEC SU TSE/FRA 1620/1740 757-200(WL)
LH1198/05DEC SU FRA-ZRH 1845/1950 737-500


Part 1: Il-62M on Deta Air, Istanbul – Shymkent (SAW-CIT)

My flight into IST was uneventful - despite the fact, that a Rwy 23 approach into IST is basically a free scenic flight over IST which was great. The aircraft was TC-JFI in Star Alliance livery.

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I was the first of us to arrive into IST so I placed myself into the bar in the arrivals area, waiting a couple of hours until the fellow travel mates to arrive from UK and UAE. Luckily we weren’t delayed by the snowfall in Europe and everyone arrived on time around 1800. From then on, we still had a good 8h to check-in at SAW airport for the 0400 departure on Deta Air. As we had to transit between the two airports in Istanbul anyways, which are located at the opposite two ends of the city, we headed downtown to have some drinks with Ian’s work colleague who had done all the hard work for our booking. We couldn’t thank him enough for this, and we met in a bar near Taksim Square and enjoyed several local beers and food which was great. Due to the fact that there was so much telephone communication between Irena and Ian’s work colleague, Irena actually called him while we were out to confirm whether all of us arrived into Istanbul that night.

At about midnight we decided to depart downtown Istanbul and headed to Istanbul’s low cost airport named Sabiha Gökçen Airport, in short SAW. It mainly serves low cost carriers and airlines of the middle and central east.

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After the screening to enter the terminal, our first view was to go on the departure screen, and we were happy to see our flight after a general no-show on all online departure screens:

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A few meters down the terminal we came to the check-in area, which was already crowded by the passengers of this flight.

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With the excuse to first pay and collect our tickets, we didn’t line up and bypassed the crowd and went straight to meet the mighty Irena. She recognized us immediately (not hard as everyone else was Kazakh on this flight). Firstly we paid our tickets in cash at the check-in desk, then we were able to choose our seats and were to be a bit disappointed. We had always believed (or hoped) that the combi was configured having the cargo section in the front, and the passenger section in the rear cabin. The opposite was the case, so we were to miss out on the unique engine shot all of us were hoping for. Nevertheless we grabbed four window seats in the rear of the cabin, just ahead of the wing and hoped for some great engine sound. Here is an Il-62 boarding pass:



Irina was very nice and helpful, and it was good to finally see a face after all the communication which went back and forth. She asked why we were so desperate to would fly on this service, and (as usual) she couldn’t believe it was due to the Il-62 alone. In that moment the Captain and Co-Pilot came to the check-in desk (easy recognizable who was who due to large labels on their uniforms). Irena informed them that today they had some plane geeks on their flight and we hoped to be able to have a look around the cabin & cockpit during the flight.

We spent the remaining time until departure with some more beers in SAW airport which was basically dead at that time - except one very interesting (and noisy) departure, which we could only hear but not see. If you check the above photo of the departure screen, you can see Kazair Trans flight KUY9552 which operates to Zhambyl-Taraz (a city located between Shymkent and Almaty, also in Kazakhstan), scheduled departure 0210. I just checked, they operate a single Tu-154M. If anyone knows about this service, please let us know! Other than that we spotted an interesting Saravia Yak-42D but could not see the Il-62M yet.

Down at the departure gate, some 60+ passengers were already asleep or getting sleepy while we were getting more excited, only minutes away from finally flying the Il-62. We boarded a bus 30mins late at about 0400am, which was to cross the runway for the southern SAW cargo & maintenance ramp. The bus held short of Runway 06/24 in the middle of the night for no apparent reason. After some sweaty 15 mins of waiting without aircon in the bus, we continued and we were able to spot the Il-62 sitting in the darkness on the ramp. We drove up near the stairs and were curious to find out which reg would operate our flight. As usual everyone rushed up the stairs but Ian and I let everyone pass to spend more time outside and snatch some shots. Different to Russia, no one seemed to care about us grabbing some shots. Here we go:

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We were so busy taking shots that I actually forgot to check the reg, which I wasn’t able to find out until we visited the cockpit later. It was UP-I6209, an ex-CSA airframe, still wearing basic CSA colors today. In the cabin Irina was observing boarding from the rear of the cabin, making sure no-one would randomly take our preferred seats (happened many times to me before). Boarding was completed relatively quickly, Irena left the plane and we said goodbye to her and thanked her one more time. Everyone else seemed to be in a deep sleep already, even before the door was closed.

Pushback took place quietly – no APU or aircon noise and I could hear the engine of the pushback truck. Then UP-I6209 came alive, firstly the anti-collision lights, then firing up its four great Soloviev D-30KU turbofans. No doubt all of us recorded it on film (footage linked below). Unfortunately the engine start-up sequence was interrupted by an announcement of the crew, nevertheless you can hear the great sound produced by this engine. There was no safety briefing or instructions, but I recall some announcements were made in English though difficult to understand.

Taxi lights came on and soon after the engines spooled up with an unbelievable sound. UP-I6209 slowly moved away from the ramp position, bound for the holding point of Rwy 06.

Here is the footage, showing UP-I6209 firing up the D-30KU turbofans, taxi and line-up on Rwy 06. Apologies for the dirty windows, there was lots of water between the inner and outer frames, but I think this video is more about the sound. Here we go:

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Lined up and ready for departure, let’s have a look at the flight details:

Ilyushin Il-62M
Reg: UP-I6209 (s/n 3139956), built by KAPO
Delivered to Aeroflot 21/10/1981 as CCCP-86518
Delivered to Deta Air in SEP 2008
Routing: SAW-CIT (DET9008)
Date: 03. December 2010
04:15 - 11:30, flying time 4:15h
Seat 11A
Load factor was almost 100%.

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Here is the link to the takeoff video. An unmatched sound when the D-30KU turbofans spool up for takeoff thrust. I love the takeoffs where full throttle is set with the brakes locked. When thundering down Rwy 06, I realized we used almost the entire available takeoff length and the following climb rate was flat, however the acceleration was not as bad as in the Il-86 or Yak-40. Most of Istanbul’s southeastern suburbs must have been thrown out of bed when we climbed out of SAW airport overhead their homes at 0430am local time.

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With all of us trapped in a window seat and no light outside, there was not much to do so I started grabbing some more cabin shots:

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The Il-62 has a window shutter made from colored glass:

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Probably I am a bad reference being 1,92m tall, but I survived the legroom so I guess it was fine, at least better than the ridiculous pitch on-board the Atlant-Soyuz Il-86.

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In-flight service started about an hour into the flight and we were served a standard menu from LSG Sky Chefs. A welcome change from all the beer we have had before the flight.

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Soon after the sun started to rise while we were somewhere overhead eastern Turkey. Due to the water in my window there was unfortunately no chance to catch a clean wing shot. Here it is anyways, maybe you can make out the distinctive kink in the leading edge of the Il-62:

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The crew in action with cabin service:

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This is the galley right behind the passenger cabin. We were curious if there was a chance to see the cargo section, and possibly take a shot of the engines.

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The mountain range near Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia:

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With everyone asleep, here is the cabin of UP-I6209 and the retro style flight attendant button:

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Not sure where this heart-shaped lake exactly was, but it was east of the Caspian Sea already in Kazakh airspace.

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Then Ian made an attempt to see if we can have a look around the aircraft, and he called me to join him into the rear galley. There was a section with a sofa-like seating arrangement where the loadmaster, a ground engineer (again, easily recognizable by their large badges on the uniform) and a third staff member were relaxing.

Their English was basic, but we were able to communicate and were to find out that we were very lucky. They explained us that UP-I6209 was to be converted to full cargo configuration by end of 2010, and that the service will be operated by a 737-500 from January 2011 onwards. How disappointing would it have been to arrive at SAW only to board a 737-500! From that moment on, we enjoyed our flight on UP-I6209 twice as much  Smile We told them that we work in the aviation business as well and are enthusiasts, and that we were on this flight due to the equipment type. Here is the centre galley which apparently was also used for storage:

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We thanked them for their time and I headed back to my seat – too early as it turned out. Just back at my seat, Ian called me to follow him for a cockpit visit which the loadmaster has kindly arranged for us after our chat. A bit embarrassed but very committed to not let an in-flight Il-62 cockpit visit opportunity pass, I politely asked my two seat neighbors to let me out of my seat again only a minute after I returned from the rear galley. Aviation enthusiasm at its best…  embarrassed  In the cockpit, we were able to grab some good shots and I had a chat with the captain who was interested where we were from. He also informed that we were only minutes away from starting our descend into CIT, and he said that visibility in CIT was below 1km due to heavy snowfall and a low cloud base. Considering the local infrastructure at CIT, this weather condition promised to result in an interesting approach.

For everyone who is unfamiliar with the Il-62 cockpit, there are 5 crew members comprising two pilots, a flight engineer (centre), navigator (left) and radio communicator (right). Hard to believe this aircraft was built as recently as 2004, although in low numbers.


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Returning from the cockpit, here is an (almost clean) cabin shot:

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And the very interesting and rare Deta Air Il-62 safety card:

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Descend was initiated and we dove into the dense clouds. I was curious to see the route we flew on Google Maps, but unfortunately my GPS logger disconnected half-way into Kazakh airspace. Here is the route anyways as far as I recorded it (CIT airport is at the right):

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Looks like Deta Air has no rights to overfly Uzbeki airspace. Here is an interesting chart of our airspeed and altitude:

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No more photos of our descend and the crew was busy approaching CIT airport. Seeing the runway covered by snow and blending into the surrounding landscape to almost complete invisibility, I was very impressed by the crew navigating down to Rwy 28 in these adverse conditions. CIT airport has a single 2800m long runway and appears to have a very basic infrastructure. Not sure if CAT II is available here.

Standard operating procedure on the Il-62 is to engage its reversers on #1 and #4 before touchdown; however I was not able to figure out if this procedure was applied during our landing. Touchdown was extremely gentle and almost not recognizable. Spoilers came up very slowly several seconds after contact was made with Rwy 28. We used the entire runway for deceleration and made a U-turn at the opposite threshold. While taxiing back, I saw some Mil Mi-24s and some Mig-29s, not sure if airworthy though.

Check out this impressive approach & landing on video (apologies again for the bad visibility through the windows):

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We taxied to the West side of the CIT apron, where two company Il-62s were in storage.

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With the engines shut down, a set of ‘Shymkent’ branded stairs with a large Kazakh flag was moved into position:

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On top of the stairs I stupidly asked an official whether I could take a photo, of course the answer was no  talktothehand . I was the first of us on the bus, and the official on top of the stairs went into the cabin for a few seconds, so I quickly grabbed this shot (unfortunately not leveled), picturing three happy fellow plane geeks in the Kazakh snowfall:

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Looking forward to the immigration bureaucracy of CIS countries, we lined up at the end of a single immigration desk. After an hour later with almost everyone processed, I was to find out the difficulty of claiming luggage and customs. To make it short, we had to get our passports stamped, which probably as the only foreigners ever to arrive into CIT in my case took over 5mins. Then go through a customs screening with all hand luggage searched into the last corner of my bag, wait outside in the snow for 30 mins, then come back in the same building, secure your checked luggage in a wild mob of people, and again go through customs back outside.


Part 2: An-24B on Scat Air, Shymkent – Almaty (Alma Ata) (CIT-ALA)

Me busy with securing my checked bag, the others in the meantime had located the Scat Air office to get our onward tickets sorted. We were notified by the friendly Scat Air counter lady that our reservation was non-existent or had expired, somehow no surprise. She was able to restore it and luckily there was still availability on flight DV705, the only chance for us to get out of CIT that day. The next hurdle was that they would not accept USD, and we didn’t have any KZT (Kazakh Tenge) with us. She asked us to go the city to get a change, but we then were able to convince her that if we paid a bit more than the regular fare in USD, she would change the money herself and keep the balance. She agreed and we paid some USD 150 each and had a printed booking confirmation & receipt shortly after.

Here is the relatively new Shymkent Airport Terminal with the Scat Air office on the ground floor:

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And some more shots inside the small terminal with the Deta Air Company office:

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In the meantime I was to learn from my friends what the meaning of ‘Scat’ is if not mentioned in conjunction with ‘Air Company’ or ‘Air Line’  Smile . About an hour before departure the single check-in counter opened and a few people lined up. We also checked in and received this basic boarding pass (4B apparently is a window seat):



The airport layout was very similar to the small airport of Cherepovets (CEE) in Russia which I visited during my Yak-40 flights a few months back (trip report linked at the end of this report). Once checked-in and screened, one can hang out airside with great visibility of the apron. It only took a split second that all of us had their cameras out zooming on UP-I6209.

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If you look closely, you can see the aircraft was still in the process of getting its cargo unloaded a good 3h after arrival. We unfortunately never found out if the cargo section of UP-I6209 still had seats, cargo racks or containers positions. According to the safety card shown above, there are apparently still two toilets at back of the cabin which means there may still be seats.

Here is one of their two ex-Aeroflot Cargo DC-10-40F. Also check out the other equipment around. The An-24 to the left was to operate our flight a bit later, and there was a BAC 111 in storage but invisible on this photo:

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In the meantime another An-24 departed and we observed the engine start-up, taxi and take-off. We noted that the snow on the runway was not removed, and the An-24 landing gear massively splashed through the wet snow during take-off.

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We also observed the de-icing of our An-24. A guy on the wings removed the snow with a brush, that was it. I trusted that after decades of winter services they knew what they were doing. Boarding of a bus commenced shortly after and we were brought near the interesting storage area of Shymkent Airport. There were several engineless An-24 in storage, two seen on this photo:

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A Tu-154B version and a hushkitted (ex-Delta?) 727-200.

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Boarding was slow so we were able to have a look around the storage area.

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My turn to board UP-AN407:

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Inside, we figured out that flight DV705 was actually fully booked. There were no empty seats and we can consider ourselves lucky after the cancelled reservation to be on-board.

From here all moved quickly - engines were started up, we taxied to the threshold of Rwy 28 and took off followed by a long right turn. Here is the footage of the start-up, taxi and take-off. Love the prop feathering sound, looks like the crew enjoyed accelerating the aircraft beyond what is considered a normal taxi speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefoZsIbX54

Lined-up on Rwy 28, let’s have a look at the flight details:

Antonov An-24B
Reg: UP-AN407 (m/n 97305305), built by KAPO
Delivered to Aeroflot 05/08/1969 as CCCP-46310
Delivered to Deta Air in 29.02.2008
Routing: CIT-ALA (DV705)
Date: 03. December 2010
16:30 – 18:00, flying time 1:30h
Seat 4B
Load factor was 100%.

http://russianplanes.net/EN/REGINFO/3044

Here is the climbout from CIT and following right-turn:

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The large windows allow for a shot of the horizontal stabilizer:

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The cabin looked quite good considering 41 years of age. Note the mirror in the centre section of the ceiling:

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I think that child in row 1 is looking at me  Smile .

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Here is the meal we got served:

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Half-way into the flight outside visibility went down to zero and it got dark. We flew parallel to the near mountain range and approached ALA airport from the Northeast. The crew successfully navigated down to a Rwy 23L approach in zero visibility. Here is the route we flew from my GPS logger and the altitude & airspeed graph:

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During the approach, the crew kept switching the landing lights on and soon after off, but due to the heavy snowfall this resulted in a white curtain in front of the aircraft. I only catched visual ground reference when we overflew the threshold of Rwy 23L. Check out the video of the approach, landing and taxi incl. engine shutdown, again with some great prop feathering sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjCkiyxSZ44

Not sure if the An-24 has reverse pitch props which may help slowing down, you can see the Rwy was completely white covered with snow. We taxied to the remote apron, shut the engines down and were pushed back into the position by a truck:

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Here is a last shot of UP-AN407 from the bus with lots of snow on the apron:

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Outside the terminal we negotiated a taxi fare for the hotel and were finally off for some well deserved rest. After several more beers in the Holiday Inn hotel bar we crashed around midnight for a deep sleep.  tired 

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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 32385 times:

Part 3: Sightseeing in Almaty and Return Flight

The next morning we were greeted with sunshine and a nice view from our hotel room:

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We didn’t really check upfront what to do in Almaty, but I spotted the TV tower in the rear of this photo and enquired with the reception whether one could go there. The answer was yes according to the staff, so we organized a cab and waited outside the hotel:

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Almaty downtown seen from our cab:

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A cable car would lead up to a place called ‘Kok-Tobe’. Here we go:

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Kok-Tobe is in fact the name of the mountain belonging to Almaty city and is a local recreation area, but was completely empty (no surprise at -18C Degrees).

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It turned out there was no way to get on the tower which was fenced off. Anyways there was a limited view on the mountains and city despite the haze:

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Back in town we walked back towards the hotel to warm up due to the ridiculous temperatures. Here are some more shots while walking around Almaty:

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These girls impressed me by safely walking with high heeled shoes on ice. We had trouble walking straight on normal shoes.

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These look like the former government facilities (Astana is the new capital since 1997):

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It didn’t take long after these shots until we hit the first pub to try some local beer. Luckily we still made it back to the hotel before darkness for this great view. On this shot you can see the TV tower and mountains in the distance.

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At night we headed out to get familiar with Almaty’s night life. The hotel staff made some good recommendations and we ended drinking lots of Almaty’s finest beer until about 6am the next morning! Unfortunately our fellow travel mates from UK had an 8am departure to LHR, who basically could just pack their stuff and head to the airport   Ian and I still had at least some 4h of sleep. My Air Astana departure was 1pm and Ian’s was at 4pm.

Arriving totally hungover and tired at ALA airport, our mates from UK were to find out that their departure to LHR was delayed by over 10h until after 6pm due to some crew rest issues. They were booked into a hotel and were able to recover some sleep while I headed out to the airport. Eventually their departure was delayed by another 8h, and they only left ALA after midnight. On the way to the airport:

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The first leg of the flight was domestic to Astana, with an onward international flight on the same aircraft to FRA. At the domestic check-in, I asked whether I could take my luggage at 9.5kg on-board due to a very short connection in FRA, which was immediately declined. I then asked whether she could check the luggage through to ZRH which was also declined. I then ended up in a 10min debate, the check-in lady enquired with her manager which still declined my request. I then made a fuss, argued that there is no way I would have enough time to pick my luggage up in FRA to check it back in for my ZRH connection. I then asked why I wasn’t able to take it on-board. She argued it was too big and I finally could prove her wrong. It is a standard cabin sized trolley which fits into that standardized frame at every check-in desk. Her manager saw me pushing my bag into this frame and she finally agreed that I could take it with me on-board.

Now I was able to see ALA airport during the day. Check out the stored Il-86s in the distance (click to enlarge), and the second of two Deta Air DC-10-40F. There are more An-24s/-12s to the right. There is also a tail of the mandatory Il-76. In the front is the wingletted 757-200 I was to fly on, and you can obviously see the ill-fated bmi 757-200, leaving my friends from UK stranded:

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Besides the issue I had regarding my cabin baggage, I found the airport quite efficient and well run. Here is the domestic check-in area seen after passing the security check:

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Here is the domestic departure screen (KC is Air Astana, DV is Scat Air and IH is Irtysh Air):

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Unfortunately even here the A320s and 737s take over most of the business. Here is another short of the apron upon boarding, you can now also see two Scat Air Yak-42s to the right (click to enlarge):

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My Air Astana 757-200 and some more interesting Tupolev hardware in the distance:

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I had chosen my seats while booking online, and it turned out I made a bad pick. It was that one row without a window    . So I missed out on a great view of the city and the mountain range during our take-off from Rwy 05L. I am still upset today; it was a very clear sky, lots of snow on the ground and a great view of the mountains.

Arriving into Astana (TSE), this then made me go to the Air Astana service desk to request a different seat for my onwards flight to FRA. The only free seat was the emergency exit at the first row of the rear economy. The flight was not completely full so I accepted it, as it would delay me upon de-boarding. Difficult to make out, but here is a picture of Astana during climb-out from TSE:

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The city was built in the desert and there is not much around it. But I was able to spot the impressive architecture of Astana, which was also the venue for the OSCE summit which finished on that particular Sunday. Here is a short of my 757-200 (P4-EAS) in flight over western Kazakhstan.

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It is interesting to note that in Almaty one is closer to Beijing than to central Europe, and the distance ALA-FRA is not much different to flying to FRA-JFK.

The rest of the flight was uneventful. The aircraft was ex-LTU and some 12y old (leased from Pegasus). It was in good condition and the service was good as well. The flight took some 6:45h, about 30 mins longer than scheduled.

Unfortunately the delayed arrival had taken away the majority of my connection time, which in case of an on-time arrival was only 1:15h. At touchdown I had some 30mins left until gate closure of my LH connection to ZRH – a challenging transit time if you know FRA and the two Terminals. We landed on Rwy 25R, taxied back to the second last gate of T2. Being in the rear economy of the 757-200, it took another couple of minutes until I was able to get off the plane. I then ran to the Skytrain connection, rode the train to the A gates, skipped the queue and went straight to the front of the security screening and advised them of my short connection. I got everything screened in a good 2 mins, ran to passport control, passed through, ran to my gate and arrived 2 mins after official gate closure (18:37). The lady knew who I was and asked me by my name and also asked why I was so late. Luckily I had checked-in online for this flight per SMS during my 1h connection in TSE airport, which offered free WiFi. Without the online check-in, I definitively wouldn’t have made it. I was the last one to get on-board this LH 737-500 and we departed on-time. I was glad to be on that flight    .


Conclusion

No doubt the Il-62 flight was worth the efforts and hassles we had to go through. I was very happy to finally catch this long hunted plane. The An-24 made a good bonus for all of us and was a great addition to our tour. Despite being banned in Europe, both airlines Deta and Scat didn’t make a bad impression. Both aircraft looked ok considering their age.

As mentioned by its crew, UP-I6209 will be converted to a full freighter from this week onwards. A friend enquired with Irena a few weeks back, and she confirmed the Il-62 will be gone from the route as of this week, and we will see if a 737-500 will operate this service as announced. Unfortunately this means another Il-62 is gone, but apparently Cubana still has two active, and the 48 Aviation in Sudan is still active.

Kazakhstan impressed me, people were friendly and polite, and I noted everyone was well dressed (almost like in Japan). I found the mix between Asian and Russian population interesting. From what I have seen, these two groups didn’t mix very much in public. Kazakhstan is also strengthening its position in central Asia, I think the OSCE summit has also supported this strategy. No words needed that it is totally different from what it was depicted in a movie from a famous comedian we all know.

As a side note, you may have encoded the Kazakh system of tail numbers by reading this report. It is ‘UP-‘ (recently changed from ‘UN-‘ I think), followed by the three letter aircraft code such as ‘I62’, ‘AN4’ or ‘DC1’ and a two digit number. E.g. UP-I6209 means it was the ninth Il-62 registered in the country, or the two Deta Air DC-10s are registered as UP-DC101 and UP-DC102, hence the first two DC-10s in Kazakhstan.

I hope you liked the report about these aircraft, airlines and airports. Hopefully I can soon complete the series of Ilyushin flights with a trip report about three memorable flights on the Tandem Aero Il-18D in Moldova.

Regards,
Loran



Here are the previous trip reports about some interesting & memorable flights. Have a look:

Il-86 Atlant-Soyuz: VKO-AER-VKO & VKO-SIP (by Loran Nov 15 2010 in Trip Reports)
Yak-40 Severstal Aircompany D2-16/21: VKO-CEE-LED (by Loran Nov 13 2010 in Trip Reports)
DC-10-30 Biman - Bangladesh Airlines: BG78 DAC-HKG (by Loran Dec 25 2009 in Trip Reports)
Il-96-300 Aeroflot SU552/551 BKK-SVO-BKK (by Loran May 19 2010 in Trip Reports)
747-100B(SR/SUD) Orient Thai 203/200: HKG-BKK-HKG (by Loran Jan 27 2010 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 32057 times:

You beat me to it, so mine shall join my list of incomplete trip reports. I had a feeling it might end up one of those! Maybe I'll save mine for the Forty Eight Aviation IL-62 in Sudan next week if all goes to plan  

It certainly was a memorable trip. The fact that it was so difficult to arrange, coupled with the aircraft's imminent withdrawal from pax operations made it quite a coup I think. It was great seeing the three of you again too - particularly the unplanned drinking session that caused me to extend my trip by another day.Well worth it, though.

Getting a 41 year old An-24B was a mega bonus too. Pity I slept through most of the flight and only got awoken by the landing.

Great job on the report. When we travel together you are now the official trip reporter, since you actually have more of a tendency to finish your reports than I do!

Cheers!

Ian

P.S. Here are my videos from the flight, taken from the other side of the aircraft through a slightly clearer window:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flymajj+deta+air


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4208 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 31936 times:

hi Loran,

wow what a way to end 2010 and also to kick off our 2011 tripreports here! Congrats with this Il62. I remember some serious talking about this in the forums indeed, and the tripreport of our fellow Flieger67 who noticed the Il62 in SAW.
Such s shame that it will be replaced now. After reading your report and the possibilities/hassle free trip, I would've thought about taking it myself but it's too late indeed. Wonderful pictures and Almaty looks good too!

Regards
Eric



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User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 31878 times:
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Hi Loran, thank you for sharing this amazing report! It's a great read and I love the pictures. You're very lucky to have flown on such an exotic plane, not to mention the cockpit visit! The video of the AN-24 splashing trough the slush is spectacular!

Best regards,

Martijn



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User currently offline9W748Capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 31563 times:

What a great read and adventure! Thank you so much for sharing - I really wish I had your lifestyle, time, money, and a.nutter friends willing to do something like this. I guess living vicariously through your TRs will have to do for now. Glad all of you got home safe!

User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1070 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 31463 times:

Looks like a VC-10 but 3 x noisier. I think Borat is from Khazakstan. Great report. thanks.

User currently onlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2652 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 31379 times:

WOW, what an adventure! so nice to read these trip reports from places you really never think on going...

And the IL62, man that was some sweet noise!!

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 31186 times:

Excellent report, thanks a lot for sharing! All flights are exceptional, even the last one, on a boring "Air Astana". That alone would be worth one trip report.

User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 900 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 31107 times:

Wow! Very Cool! Thanks for sharing all the pictures and videos!

User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 31072 times:

Hi Loran,
Fantastic report, thank you for sharing! I have been to Kazakhstan 2 years ago, so I remeber Kok Tube and other places in Almaty from your pictures. I liked this country a lot. IL62 remains my big dream, which probably will never come true...but there is still a hope.
Lucky you about this beautiful plane!
Yirina



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User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 31061 times:

Wow, I'm impressed. Congratulations, you flew the Il-62! Thanks for writing the report and sharing it with us. It's a truly great aircraft to fly on and the two sectors on a Cubana Il-62 back in 2006 still rank among my most cherished flying adventures!

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 30893 times:

Awesome report, thanks for sharing!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
They explained us that UP-I6209 was to be converted to full cargo configuration by end of 2010

And coincidentally, UP-I6209 is advertised for sale on their website. Curious, isn't it?

http://www.detakz.com/sale



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6414 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 30363 times:

Hi Loran!

Thanks for an amazing trip reoort on a very unusual airline and aircraft type! I'm very happy that everything worked out for you. Fascinating that they would land and taxi on runways with that much snow.......

Almaty looks nice with all the snow!

Thanks again for this unique trip report!

The777Man



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1669 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 30199 times:

Loran,

What a fantastic TR !!!

Love the Youtube-input aswell, esp. the engine sounds of the IL-62M and AN-24, resp.

Amazing, they taxi with this speed on taxiways and runways with this much snow !!!

Nice pictures of ALA too; hope to be there one day in the future too  

Thanks a lot for sharing !!!



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User currently offlineLightbug From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 29959 times:

Loran:

Truly a very enjoyable read and great pictures too!

I am amazed how clean looking the IL-62 appeared to be knowing that this is an ex-CSA bird. Not sure in what year these were built, but I assume the latest could be traced to the mid to late 80s. Looks well kept and truly sharp!

I am also surprised how the AN-24 had to fend for itself in the snow during taxi and take-off. But I am sure this is a well tried-out concept  .

Thanks again for a great report!


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2689 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 29912 times:

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):

Not sure where this heart-shaped lake exactly was, but it was east of the Caspian Sea already in Kazakh airspace.

That heart-shaped lake is what's left of the Western basin of the Southern Aral Sea, in Uzbekistan. Truly a tragic story on how humans CAN mess up big time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
http://images.nationalgeographic.com...ce119-aral-heart_28510_600x450.jpg

I read somewhere that it has become known as the Heart of the Aral Sea...maybe just a random blog, but appropriate.

[Edited 2011-01-02 07:53:35]


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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29331 times:
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Excellent report Loran, you sure do go out of the way to get on these rare birds, not sure the wife would be too keen on my visiting some of these places, not even that happy I'm off to South America!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
retro style flight attendant button

- That's quite cool, never seen one with this level of detail.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
We were notified by the friendly Scat Air counter lady that our reservation was non-existent or had expired, somehow no surprise. She was able to restore it and luckily there was still availability on flight DV705, the only chance for us to get out of CIT that day

- Lucky you got on, especially with the high load!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
The next hurdle was that they would not accept USD, and we didn’t have any KZT (Kazakh Tenge) with us. She asked us to go the city to get a change, but we then were able to convince her that if we paid a bit more than the regular fare in USD, she would change the money herself and keep the balance. She agreed and we paid some USD 150 each and had a printed booking confirmation & receipt shortly after.

- Ah, the age of bribery still exists  
Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
ran to my gate and arrived 2 mins after official gate closure (18:37). The lady knew who I was and asked me by my name and also asked why I was so late. Luckily I had checked-in online for this flight per SMS during my 1h connection in TSE airport, which offered free WiFi. Without the online check-in, I definitively wouldn’t have made it. I was the last one to get on-board this LH 737-500 and we departed on-time. I was glad to be on that flight

- You were lucky, as you sat FRA is not the best to connect through!

Looking forward to the next TR.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineairpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 943 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 29079 times:

Hi Loran

What an absolutely amazing trip report! When reading one of your reports, we can always be assured of something completely new and unique as we benefit from your almost obsessive quest to get aboard the world's most unusual plane rides. I truly salute your efforts and perseverance in hunting 'em them    And thank you so very much for sharing it here.

The IL62 is truly a gorgeous plane and your pictures do justice to this ex-CSA plane. The cockpit shots are priceless. And that take-off run seemed to go on forever!


Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Most of Istanbul’s southeastern suburbs must have been thrown out of bed when we climbed out of SAW airport overhead their homes at 0430am local time.

LOL I can just imagine that! Those are loud engines hahaha

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
They explained us that UP-I6209 was to be converted to full cargo configuration by end of 2010, and that the service will be operated by a 737-500 from January 2011 onwards.

Wow, you guys really are lucky. Well done for catching her on one of the last passenger missions.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
In the meantime I was to learn from my friends what the meaning of ‘Scat’ is if not mentioned in conjunction with ‘Air Company’ or ‘Air Line’

  

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Here is one of their two ex-Aeroflot Cargo DC-10-40F.

What a shame it's only cargo flights they're running to HKG from ALA.

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
Unfortunately this means another Il-62 is gone, but apparently Cubana still has two active, and the 48 Aviation in Sudan is still active.

Thanks for this info. You're making it very tempting to catch the last ones...

Looking forward to more exciting and unusual installments from you Loran. And wishing you a happy new year of flying in 2011.

Cheers and thanks again,
airpearl


User currently offlineMSS658 From Belgium, joined Oct 2010, 2472 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 28964 times:

Nice trip report! Nice you were able to make it on the IL-62. The plane looks wider out than one would think it is. Nice you made it in the flight deck as well.


Next trip report: Well worn A330s and Hassle free MUC transfer
User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28862 times:

Well, thanks to the fact that I subscribed on Ian's YouTube page, I was able to see some videos from this trip before. Nevertheless, this is an amazing trip report and lovely photos. As for IL-62M waking up Istanbul's neighbourhoods I absolutely believe in it. I was only able to experience the sound of those engines once, in Athens back in 1994 and it was something. Thank you for sharing this with us!


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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 28797 times:

Great report&pics! Always wantedto fly on an IL-62!

User currently offlineFlyingFinn76 From Finland, joined Jun 2009, 1706 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 28608 times:

Hi Loran,

Excellent reading about the less beaten paths and less flown airlines and airliners! Sounds like you definitely jumped through a few flaming hoops to finally get yourself a ride on the IL-62. Congratulations on that!

Never heard of Deta Air before, I guess not many people have. I really like the retro look and feel of the plane and of course the impressive turbofan whining on those videos - too bad the back part of the cabin was in cargo configuration, I can't imagine what the noise would be like sitting on the back rows next to those four engines.

Did you have to board that AN-24 only one or two people at a time to avoid the tail tipping over and hitting the ground? This was the case with my ride on one in Ukraine a couple of years ago, the captain supervising the boarding was very strict about it. The interior of your bird looks far better and more modern then the one on mine - that had weird plywood walls and almost no legroom at all on row one - and guess where me and my 181 cm frame were stuck?!

Quoting Loran (Thread starter):
In the meantime I was to learn from my friends what the meaning of ‘Scat’ is if not mentioned in conjunction with ‘Air Company’ or ‘Air Line’   .

I half expected you to crack a joke about it somewhere during the report but since you didn't know its meaning it kinda explains it! Still that's a weird name for an airline, bound not to be very inviting for foreigners!  


User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 28278 times:

Hello everyone,

Sorry I couldn't reply earlier.
Thanks to all of you for your kind feedback, a good motivation to continue to hunt the rarest planes still out there.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 2):
It was great seeing the three of you again too - particularly the unplanned drinking session that caused me to extend my trip by another day.Well worth it, though.

Same from here, we need to plan our next trip soon. Totally forgot to mention that Almaty's finest beer was responsible that you missed your flight back home. I was originally supposed to be the last to depart ALA, but ended up being the first.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
the tripreport of our fellow Flieger67 who noticed the Il62 in SAW.

That was the report I was referring to, the only recent evidence of Deta Air's service, although this may have been a full cargo version  
Quoting 9W748Capt (Reply 5):
I really wish I had your lifestyle, time, money, and a.nutter friends willing to do something like this.

What a flattering feedback, thanks. I have to admit it took a while to find fellow travelers to go on these kind of trips. I also had to spend many years watching other people doing these trips until I finally could do them myself. It just needs a certain level of commitment & enthusiasm and then everything is possible in terms of time & money.

Quoting reifel (Reply 8):
even the last one, on a boring "Air Astana". That alone would be worth one trip report.

Thanks reifel, I will try to to write one, but there are so many Yaks, Tupolevs, Ilyushins and western oldies to come first   .

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
And coincidentally, UP-I6209 is advertised for sale on their website. Curious, isn't it?

Hi A342, you are right, this note has been there a long time now. And it was one of the reasons I have written this trip off early 2010. Only after we observed it still flew well into 2010, we made another attempt. I doubt anyone would buy that plane, which is probably the reason they convert it to full cargo config.

Quoting Lightbug (Reply 15):
Not sure in what year these were built, but I assume the latest could be traced to the mid to late 80s.

Hi Lightbug, UP-I6209 was built 1981. And I just spotted I made a mistake, this aircraft was not flown by CSA, it must have been Alpha Airlines or VIM who converted it to this CSA like scheme. And one more correction, the An-24 was built by Aviant, not KAPO. Sorry for the mistakes.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
That heart-shaped lake is what's left of the Western basin of the Southern Aral Sea, in Uzbekistan. Truly a tragic story on how humans CAN mess up big time.

Hi einsteinboricua, very interesting information, thank you very much! It makes sense it was the Aral Lake (or what is left from it), there are not many other water bodies around but I never checked the map. My GPS path leads right across the lake. The Aral Lake is indeed an unbelievable mess-up and a proof of decades of mismanagement. I'd love to see those stranded ships in the desert in person, a trip into recent history.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 17):
Ah, the age of bribery still exists

Definitely, and a good deal for everyone involved I guess. But we never attempted to bribe her, we just said that we give 'more money' to cater for the exchange efforts   .

Quoting airpearl (Reply 18):
as we benefit from your almost obsessive quest to get aboard the world's most unusual plane rides.

Hi airpearl, many thanks for your kind feedback. Not sure where that obsessive quest virus came from, I think I picked it up in here somewhere   .

Quoting airpearl (Reply 18):
In the meantime I was to learn from my friends what the meaning of ‘Scat’ is if not mentioned in conjunction with ‘Air Company’ or ‘Air Line’
    

My reaction, too. Weird to name for an airline, isn't it??


Quoting airpearl (Reply 18):
And wishing you a happy new year of flying in 2011.

Thanks airpearl, same to you. Hopefully we will be able to catch up in Bangkok or KL in 2011?

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 22):
Excellent reading about the less beaten paths and less flown airlines and airliners! Sounds like you definitely jumped through a few flaming hoops to finally get yourself a ride on the IL-62. Congratulations on that!

Thanks FlyingFinn, it definitely was a tough one. Now we are looking at even harder ones, the challenge never ends.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 22):
Did you have to board that AN-24 only one or two people at a time to avoid the tail tipping over and hitting the ground? This was the case with my ride on one in Ukraine a couple of years ago, the captain supervising the boarding was very strict about it. The interior of your bird looks far better and more modern then the one on mine -

They had this protection in place, although now looking at it, it doesn't appear to reach the ground all the way.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac57/chefsalat/DET%20Il-62/CopyofIMG_0905.jpg


But now as you mention it, boarding was slow, and everyone went one by one into the plane. It likely was to avoid the plane tipping over as you said.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 22):
I half expected you to crack a joke about it somewhere during the report but since you didn't know its meaning it kinda explains it! Still that's a weird name for an airline, bound not to be very inviting for foreigners!

Lol, true. I had no idea though until Ian pointed it out and I couldn't stop laughing at it. I took a 'Scat' branded cup with me as a souvenir, which is sitting near my desk right now.

Thanks again to everyone. Looking forward to more comments & questions.

Cheers,
Loran



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 28201 times:

Loren, an absolutely fabulous TR! Great pics and great that you were able to catch these two airlines and aircraft. You really took some kind of chances with the ticketing and all but glad it all worked out! Happy New Year!


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
25 trentside : I may have only just signed up to the site, but it is reports like this that have kept me coming back here for years. I've always been fascinated by u
26 flykev : Loran Thanks for taking the time to share this rare and exotic trip report with us. I was hooked on every word you wrote in this report, and really en
27 MHTripple7 : Very rare and interesting trip report! The lengths you went to get on these flights are admirable, and only something other a.netters would understand
28 Post contains images eastafspot : Hey guys, in 2 words: terrificly thrilling Very nice gesture i really like the safety card translated in 3 languages, what are the others 2? not sure
29 Post contains images xv105 : Hey Loran my dear fellow !!!! What can I say about such a well written report, dripping in gen and statistics, it reads like a well written novel hook
30 Post contains images Loran : Hi globalflyer, trentside and flykev, thanks for your kind words. Glad you liked reading about this little adventure. Hi MHTripple7, thanks for your r
31 BrusselsSouth : Hi Loran, I don't have time to comment on specific items of this report, however, I want to congratulate you once again for this outstanding new work
32 xv105 : Hi Loran !!!! Just a quick question, any more gen if UP-16209 has finished it's pax operations and is now configured to full cargo ? Can't believe how
33 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Hi Loran, This is an absolute pleasure to read and I'm glad you managed to get a flight on this illusive Ilyushin! The pictures and videos are fantast
34 Post contains links and images Loran : Hi BrusselsSouth, thank you very much for your kind words, I am glad you liked this report. You never know when the last flight will be, it may that
35 LINATHJNX : Great report! I really loved it: it is very interesting and with lots of beautiful pictures.
36 ZKCIF : Kazakh, Russian, English
37 Post contains links and images debonair : Just up-loaded: View Large View MediumPhoto © Mustafa SANCAR - SPOT-TR
38 abrelosojos : The perfect TR. I am so jealous that you did this trip. Ian messaged me a long time back about this - and sadly, I was way too busy. Anyways, this is
39 Loran : The inevitable has come, thanks for posting the sad news. Hi abrelosojos, thanks for your kind feedback. Unfortunately this opportunity is now defini
40 Post contains images aerobus12 : Scat Air... I must laugh
41 Braniff747SP : Very good TR... Very interesting. Whomever chose the name "scat", tough, must have not spoken English...
42 Post contains images oa260 : Hey great report always wanted to fly the IL62 but never got the chance. Only made it onto an IL86. Would love to fly more IL/TU aircraft. Sadly chanc
43 Post contains images LH648 : Borrring and nothing new Nice report actually! Glad that you've liked Almaty : )
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