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From Thailand On UA/OZ/TG/CA In F/C  
User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

After a fun week in Thailand, it was time to head back home. We stayed in Bangkok the night before and caught the Bangkok Airport Train to Suvarnabhumi at Makkasan or the City Airport Terminal. Fare was 45 baht or about $1.50 U.S. for the non-express train that took about 25 minutes to reach Suvarnabhumi.

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Upstairs, check-in was easy. After a bit of tapping, the agent was able to check our bags through to ICN on CA after our connection from TG in PEK. We didn’t have Chinese visas, so this was important.

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The Thai Royal First check-in area is separate and looked quite exclusive.

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I wish we’d had time to see these gardens more closely.

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BKK is really fascinating architecturally. It’s not quite the greatest airport in the world, but it is one of the most distinctive.

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With some time to kill, we headed for the Royal Orchid Lounge (the one on concourse D; there are several). It’s very quiet at about 8:00 a.m.

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Mostly regional departures at this time of day. Look at that KQ flight to Nairobi: it was delayed by almost 11 hours!

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Of course, since we were traveling in C on TG, I had to try the Royal Orchid Spa, which was just outside the lounge.

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I enjoyed a nice, 30-minute shoulder and neck massage (a foot massage is also available to C passengers; F gets you a one-hour full-body massage and a private spa suite). Definitely a Thai-style touch!

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Back in the lounge, I had a quick nosh. Breakfast food was nicely arrayed.

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And a small bar area; coffee and other drinks were set up nearby.

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Cold food area; are those Jello shots?

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We headed for the concourse (have to spend those leftover baht) at about 9:00 for our 10:10 departure to PEK. I like the style of the concourses; it’s like being in a tent (less so at night without the natural light shining through).

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I think concourses C and D intersect here.

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On the concourses, the gates are downstairs, leaving the walkways very uncluttered.

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China, here we come.

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I was excited to fly on another 747, even if it was in the old configuration.

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A340-600 HS-TNF looked nice in the morning sun.

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Flight/Route: TG614/BKK-PEK
Aircraft/Tail/Seat: 747-400/HS-TGZ/12A
Departure Time/Duration/Arrival Time: 10:10 a.m.(10:34 a.m. actual; 24 minutes late)/4:40 (4:02 actual)/3:50 p.m. (3:36 p.m. actual; 14 minutes early)
Meal: Lunch


Boarding was a bit chaotic, but we found our way onboard pretty quickly. A warm smile greeted us; this lower-deck C cabin only had one passenger during the flight; upstairs was nearly full.

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The F cabin has 14 seats. While I thought the hard product was fine for a four-hour regional flight, TG flies this configuration as far as MAD, ARN and CPH (second-tier European cities); I would not like it as much for a long trip like that.

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The huge forward galley on the right side of the aircraft; KL uses this configuration, too.

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The other side looks like this. One nice thing about this config. is that there are no middle seats in C; it’s all 2x2 (the upper deck, too).

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Upstairs, it looked very old-school. Hope you like purple! Blankets and “erb” amenity kits (unexpected on such a short flight) were on the seats.

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We were in the second row of C upstairs; Champagne, water and juice were served pre-flight, in glassware, unlike UA, which always uses plastic.

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Typical January weather in Bangkok; we didn’t have a drop of rain all week and temperatures were quite moderate.

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After a slightly-delayed departure and a fairly quick taxi, we were airborne. The crew sprang into action with drink service.

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Chivas and some rice crackers.

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Here’s the menu (I was impressed that there were four choices of main course in C; the F menu only listed three choices, but had a soup course and two dessert choices.):

Bangkok-Beijing

Hot Savoury

Prawn on Toast, Plum Sauce

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First Course

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The presentation was great on this flight, and I can’t resist garlic bread.

Fried Chicken with Lemon Pepper Dressing
Russian Roulade, Creamy Horseradish in Cucumber Cup

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Mixed Green Salad with Tiziano Italian Dressing

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Main Course
Stir-fried Prawn with Sichuan Chilli Sauce

Vegetable Fried Rice
Stir-fried Vegetables

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My friend had the prawns; it was slightly spicy and tasted very nice.

or

Grilled Beef Filet with Salsa Verde Sauce
Steamed Turned Potatoes, Roasted Vegetables

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After a week of Thai food a steak sounded good! I had some more of that Burgundy from the Hong Kong-Beijing flight.

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Not my preferred medium-rare, but still tender and juicy.

or

Stir-fried Barbecued Roast Duck with Chestnut and Black Mushroom
Chinese Yellow Noodles
Sauteed Carrot, Celery

or

Tab Tim Fish with Garlic Peppercorn
Steamed Thai Hom Mali Rice, Stir-fried Vegetables

Assorted Bread, Crackers, Butter
Cheese and Fresh Fruits

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And an episode of “The Mentalist” with a bit of port. The pop-out screens were a bit small but worked OK.

Dessert
Earl Gray Tea and Chocolate Cake
Tea, Coffee, Espresso, Cappuccino

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The cake was delicious; very moist with a strong chocolate flavor.

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After lunch I watched “You Again” (dumb but entertaining), then checked out the (full) Y cabin.

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Our route over China:

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Soon we were on descent to PEK; it was clear, cold and windy that day. I think we may have executed a crosswind landing; as we touched down, I felt the aircraft really sway and lurch (more noticeable in the upper deck) like I haven’t felt before on a 747. Fun!

At PEK Terminal 3 (huge, huge, huge, but more on that in the next installment), I spotted this JL 767-300, JA652J.

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Thanks for the ride, HS TGZ!

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Very nice service on this flight. The crew was friendly, the food was above-average, and Thai does a nice job with the little touches: each woman (in all classes) onboard was given an orchid while deplaning.

Next: Huge airport (PEK Terminal 3), small aircraft (CA 737-800 to ICN).

32 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineInitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 18104 times:

A wonderful trip report there! TG is very promising when I flew them SIN-BKK-PVG last June and will be flying them SIN-BKK-DXB this month in J. The green salad was exactly what I got on the BKK-PVG flight!

Just a quick question: How did you know which programme was shown on the PTV without AVOD as I flew on the old config A333 SIN-BKK and all I got was some documentaries and food shows that I did not even know the names so I just stuck to the airshow channel for the short flight.



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 17982 times:

These have been excellent reports so far! A very entertaining read.

Quoting kurt (Thread starter):
We were in the second row of C upstairs; Champagne, water and juice were served pre-flight, in glassware, unlike UA, which always uses plastic.

I've only flown UA's C transpacific once (UA881 ORD-NRT) but I recall that I was surprised we did receive glassware in business class. I only recall plastic being used on domestic runs but I probably just haven't been paying attention  



Speedbird Concorde One
User currently offlineLX64A332 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2007, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 17684 times:

Very nice read!
How confusing/hard was the transit in PEK?
I'm thinking of transiting in PVG on my way from SFO to SIN, but I'm not sure if it will be a bit complicated.

Quoting kurt (Thread starter):
The F cabin has 14 seats. While I thought the hard product was fine for a four-hour regional flight, TG flies this configuration as far as MAD, ARN and CPH (second-tier European cities); I would not like it as much for a long trip like that.

Indeed, however I do believe that TG sells the F seats as C and the C seats as Y+. In that case, I would actually prefer these F seats as C rather than the sloping lie flat C seats on the newer 744s and Airbuses.

Cheers



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5177 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 17290 times:

Hi, Kurt,

pretty good to follow you´re flights back from Thailand.

BKK airport and the lounge looking very nice.

Never been on TG myself, so really interesting to follow.
That old school 747´s going more and more rare, but you know.

Waiting for the next part and especially the Peking airport impressions.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months ago) and read 16884 times:

I'm loving your report, and I think you have some of the better Suvarnabhumi photos I've seen on here. Also a plus is seeing the Makkasan terminal from an angle that seems rarely photographed. It all makes me look forward to seeing your PEK photos as well. Thank you for sharing.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16710 times:

Hi Kurt!

Very nice report again with TG in C which looks really good! Food looks fantastic! Looking forward to the conclusion.

The777Man



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User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16091 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 2):
I've only flown UA's C transpacific once (UA881 ORD-NRT) but I recall that I was surprised we did receive glassware in business class. I only recall plastic being used on domestic runs but I probably just haven't been paying attention

This is how UA usually serves prefight sparkling wine and orange juice in F and C on overseas flights (this was from my friend's camera SFO-ICN). It is ostensibly for safety, but I think cost savings might be a factor, too.

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Domestic pre-flight drinks in C and F are usually the regular, tumbler-style plastic cups.


User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16069 times:

Thanks for the nice comments; I'm working on PEK-ICN now.

Quoting Initious (Reply 1):
Just a quick question: How did you know which programme was shown on the PTV without AVOD as I flew on the old config A333 SIN-BKK and all I got was some documentaries and food shows that I did not even know the names so I just stuck to the airshow channel for the short flight.

Honestly, I did not look at much besides the airshow. I think a Thai TV program was shown on the main screens, alternating with the Airshow. I don't remember a guide. Airshow is the best program on any airline!

Quoting LX64A332 (Reply 3):
Indeed, however I do believe that TG sells the F seats as C and the C seats as Y+. In that case, I would actually prefer these F seats as C rather than the sloping lie flat C seats on the newer 744s and Airbuses.

This would make sense, but that would only be 14 C seats to sell. Are the Scandinavian routes that tourist-heavy?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 4):

BKK airport and the lounge looking very nice. Never been on TG myself, so really interesting to follow.
That old school 747´s going more and more rare, but you know. Waiting for the next part and especially the Peking airport impressions

I like BKK in the daytime a lot more than at night, when it's kind of drab and gloomy. The natural light in the daytime makes a big difference. I will always love 747s; I have since I was a kid! PEK T3 was impressive, mostly for its size. Details coming . . .

Quoting Lawair (Reply 5):
Also a plus is seeing the Makkasan terminal from an angle that seems rarely photographed.

We got a ride from our Thai friends; we seemed to drive in from the back side and then drove into a drop-off area that was completely deserted. I try not to pay too much attention when riding around in Bangkok - traffic can be really bad there sometimes.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Very nice report again with TG in C which looks really good! Food looks fantastic! Looking forward to the conclusion.

Thanks; I liked TG even though the hard product was not as qood as OZ. Service seemed much warmer, though OZ was very nice. But that might be because we've spent a lot of time in Thailand and maybe appreciate the cultural nuances more than in Korea, where this was our first "taste."


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15887 times:

Quoting kurt (Reply 7):
This is how UA usually serves prefight sparkling wine and orange juice in F and C on overseas flights (this was from my friend's camera SFO-ICN). It is ostensibly for safety, but I think cost savings might be a factor, too

I think it is a FAA requirement that there can be no glas in the cabin. So it should be be the same on other US carriers.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15479 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):
I think it is a FAA requirement that there can be no glas in the cabin. So it should be be the same on other US carriers.

Not sure about that, from some of my own photos...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180015_493433332594_640952594_6648561_7498180_n.jpg
Glass on ORD-NRT...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/167064_490028177594_640952594_6601740_5842099_n.jpg
Also DEN-BWI...



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User currently offlineInitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15422 times:

I guess the J seats were sold as Y+ because they are not up to industry standards for international J class?

[Edited 2011-03-02 19:14:46]


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User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14792 times:

Part SIX: Beijing Terminal 3 and PEK-ICN on CA.

In PEK, we made a beeline for the transit desk. The size and design of PEK T3 immediately impressed.

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Some quick spotting: SK A340s; OY-KBA was getting ready for a departure to CPH as SK996 at 6:00 p.m.

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This AC 763 had just arrived from YVR; the CA 737 had some sort of special livery that I didn’t recognize.

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I had a few doubts about transiting PEK without a visa, but it worked out without a hitch. Within a few minutes we had our Air China boarding passes for our flight to ICN and were waiting in the very short line for international transfers.

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The line for immigration was much longer (pretty much everyone else from our 747 from BKK). The size of the terminal was breathtaking; just a huge, enclosed space.

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This wasn’t turned on but it’s a novel feature anyway.

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Ceiling detail; the suspended ceiling made the space seem warmer with the upper ceiling section painted a mustard color.

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We went right through the passport check, went down an escalator, had a quick security check and were airside again. Very efficient! Duty-free shops were extensive.

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The general layout of T3. Since we had about three hours to kill, we headed for the CA lounge.

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Late-afternoon departures.

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The Air China business class lounge is huge; lots of new year’s decorations were on display.

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I had to check out the shower. It was pretty nice, but the shower/men’s room area was just packed with people and not really very plush nor private.

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My friend camped out on his laptop; I explored the lounge and did some spotting. HS-TGZ looked great in the afternoon light getting ready to return to BKK.

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The control tower is massive.

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At about 5:00 p.m. a nice selection of hot food items was laid out. Note the statues on top of the buffet: dancing fat ladies! The other snacks and drinks were good; the lounge in general was very functional, but not luxurious at all. And quite crowded at that time of the afternoon.

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The world’s-biggest pepper grinder.

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More rabbit-inspired decorations.

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Lots of auspicious red in T3’s design.

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One nice feature was these resting-capsules.

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A bit of tradition inside the modern terminal

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At about 6:00 we headed for the gate. This EK A380 was quite impressive.

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TK 777-300 was IST-bound, I’m sure.

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And our CA 737-800 (B-5341) for ICN; she looks petite by comparison.

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Asiana and Air China code-share on the PEK-ICN flights.

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Boarding was quick; C class was 2x2, just eight seats. There were only four of us in C; Y was pretty much full. Definitely Asian-style décor, with big, soft pillows.

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I wish every aircraft had this!

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Water and orange juice were offered pre-flight. The crew was friendly and attentive.

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It was cold outside, but not as cold as in Seoul!

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Flight/Route: CA137/PEK-ICN
Aircraft/Tail/Seat: 737-800/B-5341/2C (Business)
Departure Time/Duration/Arrival Time: 6:50 p.m. (6:55 p.m. actual; 5 minutes late)/1:55 (1:21 actual)/9:45 p.m. (9:36 p.m. actual; 9 minutes early)
Meal: Dinner


The safety demo. I thought that there might be inflight video entertainment, but the screens stayed hidden after that.

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After takeoff, nuts and drinks were offered. I chose red wine. I wasn’t sure what to expect on this short (568 miles) flight, but we were served a full dinner.

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The appetizer tray contained a smoked fish, a bean salad and some fresh fruit, plus more garlic bread. I did not care for the fish, but the rest was quite tasty.

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For my main course I chose the stir-fried beef. It was very good (tender and not spicy at all), and the rice was perfect. My friend was not feeling great and ordered the steak, which he did not finish, but it looked OK to me although I did not taste it.

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After dinner I explored the small cabin; Y was served a hot, ham sandwich, fruit and a small dessert; the crew offered one to me but I was too full. Very friendly service, I thought.

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The forward lavatory had a nice selection of amenities, including my favorite, “Tighting Lotion.”

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I think I was the only passenger drinking this red wine.

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Very soon we were landing in Incheon; this display shows the baggage carousels for inbound flights, I believe.

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Immigration at ICN was very slow (probably a 20-minute wait) that night, the slowest of our trip by far. Then my friend was told his passport had a problem and was led into a side room while I waited outside. Apparently it wasn’t being scanned correctly, but that took another 15 minutes to sort out. I was tired and cranky by that point!

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Off to 10-degree F downtown Seoul we went for our 18-hour stopover. Next: back home on UA.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14713 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 10):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):
I think it is a FAA requirement that there can be no glas in the cabin. So it should be be the same on other US carriers.

Not sure about that, from some of my own photos...

The no glass in the cabin rule is for before take off from what I recall.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

I missed one from CA137 PEK-ICN:

This nice, chocolate cake was served after dinner.

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User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14425 times:

Quoting kurt (Reply 7):
This is how UA usually serves prefight sparkling wine and orange juice in F and C on overseas flights (this was from my friend's camera SFO-ICN). It is ostensibly for safety, but I think cost savings might be a factor, too.

FAA rule for pre take off welcome drinks. Once in flight, glass and china crockery are the norm.



"Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten"
User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14110 times:

Many thanks for the long trip report.
I've always complained about C class food presentation on THAI until this trip report.
The salad looks promising! I'm a big fan of Italian dressing   so there you go.
Water cress mixed with cherry tomato and cabbage, lovin' it. And your photo portrays it well!!  
I'd aviod Ranch/Ceasar/Thousand Island anywhere, anytime, which happen to be the more common cases on the US carriers.

Never been to PEK but would love to try out, esp Air China's lounge!
The world’s-biggest pepper grinder. - GOOD ONE  


Hope you guys come back to Thailand again soon.
Come visit me in HKT  
net-hkt



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14037 times:

CA looks great in C ! Nice that they have different seats than Y sort of like domestic F in the US rather than the blocked middle seat that they have in Europe. Food looks really good for a two-hour flight. Looking forward to the continuation of your trip.

Yes, very nice with the registration sign in the cabin.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

Part SEVEN: Seoul Incheon and ICN-SFO on UA.

We didn’t arrive at our hotel near Seoul Station until after midnight, so we slept in, then did some sightseeing. It was clear and sunny, but cold as hell, probably about 15 degrees F, with a stiff breeze at times. Still, I enjoyed what we saw and would like to return during the summer or fall.

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We walked back to Seoul Station to catch the Korail train back to Incheon. The extension from Gimpo airport just opened in December 2010. It’s a nice option as the subway system in Seoul is extensive and the train has many connection opportunities. It took about 55 minutes to reach ICN.

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I liked the ultra-modern design of the transit building at Incheon.

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At the Stargarden, my friend was approached by a woman distributing some sort of religious material. He was quite polite to her!

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Check-in/immigration was quick, and we made our way out to the midfield concourse for our UA flight back to SFO (it seems to use gate 121 most of the time).

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Besides OZ, KE has a lot of heavies scattered around.

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A lone OZ agent makes her way down the concourse.

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N119UA had already arrived from SFO by 4:15 p.m.

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The Asiana business lounge on the midfield concourse wasn’t as nice as the one in the main terminal (no windows), but the facilities and amenities were pretty much the same. Same “library” motif, too.

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I avoided the buffet for the most part as I was planning to eat on the flight.

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Lots of late-afternoon activity at ICN.

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The central part of the concourse had quite a few shops; farther out they were pretty sparse.

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More code-sharing on UA892 to SFO.

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TG 777-200 headed for TPE and then BKK as TG635 with assorted OZ aircraft in the background, including a Star Alliance 767.

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Flight/Route: UA892/ICN-SFO
Aircraft/Tail/Seat: 747-400/N119UA/14B (Business)
Departure Time/Duration/Arrival Time: 6:20 p.m. (6:33 actual, 13 minutes late) /10:02 (9:52 actual) / 11:22 a.m. (11:25 a.m. actual, 3 minutes late)
Route: SEL G597 KAE G597 LANAT Y51 SUWAH Y51 CVC Y808 ACQUA OTR14 VACKY OTR13 SEALS 3500N 15000E 3500N 16000E 3400N 17000E 3400N 18000E 3400N 17000W 3400N 16000W 3500N 15000W 3900N 14000W 3800N 13000W ALLBE PIRAT
Meals: Dinner (Snack) Breakfast


Boarding was orderly and soon we were aboard another 747 upper deck.

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We were in row 14 this flight, forward-facing again. I took the aisle seat this time.

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Plastic cups were used for pre-flight drinks, not the usual style. Service was fine, but the crew didn’t have a lot of personality. I’ll admit that I was not as attentive to service on this flight as I was a bit tired and UA flights like this are more routine to me.

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Takeoff was smooth and pretty quick; it was just getting dark outside as we climbed.

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Drinks and warm nuts were soon coming around. This time it was me enjoying the Glenlivet (I was interested in sleeping after dinner; this flight is timed ideally for sleeping).

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The menu:

beginnings
SMOKED SALMON, PARMA HAM AND SHAVED FENNEL
Mustard mayonnaise sauce

SEASONAL MIXED GREENS WITH ENOKI MUSHROOMS
Creamy Caesar or Garlic Balsamic Vinaigrette

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Lots of fennel; the salad looked nicer after I mixed the dressing in.

main course
PAN-SEARED FILET MIGNON WITH MEAUX MUSTARD SAUCE
Cheddar cheese and cilantro potato croquette with Mediterranean vegetables and broccoli

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The Australian steak was quite good, although I should have asked for the sauce on the side. I think I had the Cava La Suzienne Racines 2007 AOC Côtes-du-Rhône, aka "The French one."

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Served medium-rare.

ROSEMARY BAKED CHICKEN BREAST WITH ROSEMARY JUS
Creamed corn flapjack and green beans in olive oil

KOREAN-STYLE BAKED HALIBUT WITH SPICY SAUCE
Steamed rice and braised baby bok choy

Korean hot pepper paste available upon request

to finish
ARTISAN CHEESE SELECTION
Served with red grapes and crackers
Emmenthal, Port-Salut

CHOCOLATE TART
With white chocolate sauce

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Not impressed; where was the sauce?

midflight snack
WARM SMOKED TURKEY AND CHEDDAR ON RYE
ASIAN COLESLAW AND CHEDDAR CHEESE SANDWICH
KIT KAT® MINI CANDY BAR
LAYS® POTATO CHIPS
HOT NOODLE SOUP


Hot sandwiches and noodle cups are available upon request
Please help yourself to assorted sandwiches and snacks located near the galley


I must have been tired (the Glenlivet helped); I slept right through the snack service. +1 for the seats, though. This is the cabin from the rear just before the breakfast service began.

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prior to arrival
MEDITERRANEAN OMELETTE WITH CHESE VELOUTÉ
Roasted chorizo sausage and sautéed mushrooms

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Pretty rich, but the fruit was very sweet and delicious.

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Again, the sauce would have been better on the side.

FRESH SEASONAL FRUIT PLATE
With creamy yogurt

Today’s menu features beef from Australia

ICN-SFO (LD83-S89E-B87) 1/11

We made a pretty standard approach to SFO, where it was a mostly-sunny winter morning. Another good UA flight; it seemed to go by very quickly and we arrived on time. This is 15 J/K (rear-facing) on the upper deck after the flight.

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Next: our last segment back to DEN.


User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 16):
Many thanks for the long trip report. I've always complained about C class food presentation on THAI until this trip report.

Yes, I liked the catering BKK-PEK; it was treated more like a long-haul flight even though it was just over four hours.

PEK was really a nice airport; I would love to visit Beijing again; it was the second place we visited in China back in 2003, also the first time we flew on CA, from PEK to NKG. I think that flight was a 737-700.

I'd like to visit HKT; I have been to Krabi but not Phuket.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 17):
CA looks great in C ! Nice that they have different seats than Y sort of like domestic F in the US rather than the blocked middle seat that they have in Europe.

It was a lot like a domestic F cabin in the U.S. (I think that there were footrests, though). The service was quite good for such a short flight. I checked our itinerary; it shows "Snack" for the meal service, though that might be offically what Y gets, with C getting dinner.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

Thanks for the last part! Food looks great on United and great that you got some good sleep. Those seats are very comfortable.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13216 times:

Part EIGHT: San Francisco (again) and SFO-DEN on UA, aka "THE END."

We arrived at G101, down at the end of the concourse, so we trudged to immigration, which was busy, but the wait was only about 10 minutes.

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Bags came out quickly, too.

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At SFO, when going international-domestic, there’s a choice of route to get airside again. One can go upstairs and go through international security, then down the corridor connecting international and domestic. Or, stay landside and go through one of the domestic security points. An agent was directing us upstairs, but at about 11:30 a.m. it was very busy with Asian departures, so we went back downstairs and took the other route, which was also busy but less so. More UA (and one CA) tails were lined up.

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We made our way back to the same spot in the domestic RCC (the same seats, actually), where I caught a few midday aircraft. This EMB-120 was looking a little bit scruffy.

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It had been foggy earlier that day in SFO so our inbound aircraft from DEN was delayed (flow control); this was the only delayed (by more than a few minutes) arrival we had on the trip. Arriving AA 767-300 (from DFW or MIA, I’d guess) was wingletted. I’ll miss seeing AA activity after the move to the renovated Terminal 2.

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Arriving AA 767-200 (from JFK; no need to guess) special-livery “Flagship Independence.” In support of all who serve. Very nice!

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We made our way down to gate 89 for our full flight to Denver. Boarding was orderly and we departed without much delay.

Flight/Route: UA753/SFO-DEN
Aircraft/Tail/Seat: 757-200/N561UA/3C
Departure Time/Duration/Arrival: 1:06 p.m. (2:49 actual 1:43 late)/2:30 (1:57 actual)/4:34 p.m. (5:46 p.m., 1:12 late)
Routing: SFO8 SFO LIN PEONS INSLO DTA J84 EKR TOMSN4
Meal: Lunch


This was a pretty standard (which is to say "good) West Coast-Denver flight, but service was great (the purser, Noreen, was very attentive and friendly).

Cocktails and warm nuts (the domestic F wine glasses are larger, now) came out first. I think the red wine was called "Stanza."

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A choice of a "smoked turkey" sandwich or a "southwest chicken salad" was offered. Both came with a side of "tomato lentil soup," which was offered as an option ("Would you like the soup as well?"). The sandwich came with Sun Chips, was warm, and tasted fine (I was still suffering from a bit of "Asian Food Fatigue Syndrome" or AFFS, so western-style comfort food was welcome.

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The salad looked good, too.

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Warm, chocolate chip cookies were offered, along with more drinks. The bag looks like it is used for muffins/scones, too, as it's a bit large for one cookie. Kind of nice if you want to take the cookie along.

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The Rockies looked great in the afternoon light. We landed about 70 minutes late and were soon heading for the city. It was a fun trip. Thanks for reading, and thanks, Star Alliance!

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User currently offlinesfflyer123 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13108 times:

Very nice TR! It is always nice to get on those UA lie-flats. It feels like "home" when your'e in a foreign country and you've a nice, comfortable, familiar American airplane. Very nice TR, and great photography! I really enjoyed this!

User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13052 times:

Great report as always Kurt! How I have to go find your outbound one.


"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

This is the Thai business class kit we received BKK-PEK. The nylon bag is labeled "erb" (or "Erb") and contains lip balm, hand lotion, a fold-out brush/comb, eyeshades, socks, mouthwash, a toothbrush and toothpaste. Very nice for short, daytime flight. The bag is large enough to use as a small toiletry kit.

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25 Post contains images nethkt : Please come down and visit HKT! Although millions of tourist, but it's worth visiting and I can show you amazing places around here. Love SFO, maybe t
26 Post contains images abrelosojos : Great report - and always good to see TG delivering a consistently good product. Thanks for taking us with you on this Star Alliance run. Saludos, A.
27 Post contains links and images kurt : So, I was on the way to Santa Barbara last week, and had some time to kill at LAX during my connection (UA to OO, of course). From the end of the 80s
28 airbusfanyyz : Great report of your return... I just got back from Thailand yesterday and also flew TG614 to PEK (trip report to follow soon) I had hoped for a smoot
29 kurt : That's too bad. Was it a weekday when you were traveling BKK-PEK-YYZ? We flew BKK-PEK-ICN on a Saturday; maybe that's why the C cabin was so empty. I
30 airbusfanyyz : Nope it was a Saturday like you - Mar 26/11 There were about 50 total Int'l transit pax, some from our TG flight, plus the AC, UA arrivals. All the d
31 kurt : I guess it just varies day to day, then, how many transit passengers show up. There were maybe seven or eight, including us, at the transfer desk the
32 Post contains links and images kurt : Lots of collectable items from Thai: Business and First menus, Business wine list, folder containing stationery/envelopes, post cards and "do not dist
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