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BAC 1-11 UK Farewell Flight And BA AMS/LHR  
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4578 posts, RR: 31
Posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Fr. 15-3-02 AMS-LHR A-319 G-EUPP BA11. Scheduled 11.55-12.10, actual 12.25-12.28 (63 minutes)
I had booked a London Heathrow return to enjoy a weekend in and around Bournemouth, where I would fly on a BAC 1-11 farewell flight and meet Tom, another Airliners.net member to tour some airports. The BA flights were the cheapest, as Easyjet tends to fill up around the weekend.
It also enabled me to collect miles for another tiny part of a future Concorde trip on my Executive Club card and fly their A-319 for the first time (I especially chose this time to get the A-319, as most flights are still the 757).
As I only had hand luggage and an e-ticket, I tried the automatic check in machine for the first time in my life, quite easy as it recognized my itinary after chewing on my FF card (it also works on the credit card). It was quite interesting to be able to browse through a seating map and choose your own seat (although the best seats were already gone 90 minutes before departure). Also the luggage screening and passport check were a quick breeze (same in LHR), as if Sept 11 never happened.
I chose 21F, the last row in the back (the only with windowseats available) and the flight filled up for 98%, the seat next to me (an off duty FA on 21D) might be the only free one. The A-319 and dark blue leather seats looked fresh and modern. The dropdown video screens showed the safety video and had the route planner while en route.
We boarded in time, at around 11.45. Passengers wondered about the 'barking dog' on board, but that's a hydraulic system in the aircraft, F/A's explained. It reminded me of the "bagpipe player" hidden in a certain Dutch train type, something the railway technicians can't get rid of.
Push back and taxiing took quite some time. The F/A's passed with complimentary newspapers.
Took off was powerful but a bit shaky. Only after a minute we came above the murky clouds covering Amsterdam and we saw the sun. Thanks to the flightmap I saw we reached 8.000 meters and flying 800 kilometers an hour already after 10 minutes, and from that moment on, you could feel the power and hight decline already.
While the 5 F/A's (quite a lot for an aircraft this size) came around with drinks (I took coffee and orange juice) and the deli bags. While the snackboxes on my sept 2000 AMS-LHR r/t (with a print of one of the World tail designs) looked more elegant, the contains now were definitely better than 18 months ago. Instead of the earlier tiny dull sandwich, the sandwich now was big and tasteful (cheese and salami). The only other thing in it was a small can of water.
This was actually the first time I actually saw an airline offering better service compared to an earlier flight on the same route (as I witnessed KLM, Lufthansa, TWA amongst others offer smaller or deterioring service time after time I flew them). I guess BA really want to live up to the business full service image they have lately.
Only 25 minutes after TO, we were already above the English coast, flying at only 3000 meters and 480 km/hour. The crew announced we would be in a holding pattern for a while to wait and land. Finally after an hour in the air (including 15 minutes of holding north east of London) we approached from the west (over Staines) into a rainy Heathrow.
We had to have more patience as we had to wait 20 minutes before the gate was available, so we spent 2 hours on board of the cabin.

sa. 16-3-02 BOH-BOH BAC 1-11-500 G-AZMF European Aviation. Actual 11.12-11.48
After a bus trip to Bournemouth in the evening, I met Tom who flew in from Hahn earlier, and the next day reported at Bournemouth airport at 9.30 for the BAC 1-11 farewell sightseeing flight organized by Aeropic (for GBP 40 quite a bargain compared to the 130 GPB sightseeing flights (also 40 minutes) by Ian Allan.
Check in was easy and informal, with a free and nice gold/metal 1-11 tie-pin (unlike my travel mate, unfortunaly I don't like to wear ties). It was clearly an enthousiast/family run organisation, they were happy and proud to hand out a fact sheet about the 1-11, a relatively new one (1972) which flew for British Caledonian, Air Malawi and British Airways and with a modest 44.020 hours. We would probably clock one of the last hours on it as the 1-11s will be withdrawn by 1 April due to European noise regulations and only few UK 1-11s have been sold to Nigeria or South Africa lately, so most will be scrapped. I got assigned seat 16F.
We could board the aircraft through the tail door after a walk over the tarmac, which was fun. The cabin looked quite nice, not that old, with closed overhead bins and dark purple seatcovers.
Unfortunately in a charter configuration of Y104 instead of the VIP fitting it used to fly for years.
While I remembered the sluggish take offs on my earlier flights on Ryanair and Tikal Jets 1-11s, our take off was quite normal, although not like a rocket (or the 319 and 757 take offs I had the weekend). Also, even while seated behind the wing, the engine noise wasn't particularly heavy (it was much louder when we waited on the ground to see the next sightseeing flight take off).
We had the impression the crew wasn't really imaginative in what to do with an enthousiast flight. While on my other sightseeing/ enthousiast flights (on DC-3, Connie, DC-4, Viscount) the crew was fun, talkative and explanative about everything. Now the flight announcements about scheduled arrival time etc. were just like they perfomed yet another mediterannean charter. Also cockpit visit weren't possible (or at least not invited), but 11 sept. might also have been a factor in this.
The crew rushed a standard service with coffee or tea and a biscuit. Hard not to mess up as the tray table could not be set straight, a first sign of the planes due withdrawl.
We flew a sort of 8-shape near the Bournemouth area, besides the isle of Wright, turning over Southampton, passing north of Bournemouth and turning back for the airport. While we saw lots of rain and clouds this weekend, luckily the weather was good when we flew, so we could enjoy the view of the southern english coastline and countryside. I estimate our flying hight at about 2000 meters, as I can imagine the towns might not like a low flying 1-11 (like the DC-3 flights in Holland). Already 11 minutes before landing, the flaps were out. The 1-11 has interesting flaps containing sort of brushes which we could clearly see from our seats right behind the wing. After landing, we could enjoy the sound of the howling Spey engines for another 10 minutes as we loitered on the taxi way waiting for an Eurocypria A-320 leaving, a nice contrast between old and new.

su 17-3-02 LHR-AMS 757 G-CPEN. Sched. 16.10-18.20, actual 16.22-18.05. 44A
After visiting the observation deck and seeing many interesting planes, I had a very convenient automatic check in, another backrow seat as all other windowseats were filled up already.
We had to board through stairs from the platform at the end of the D terminal. Unfortunately it was yet another Union Flag 757, as I hoped to ever fly a BA plane with either World or Speedwings (old) schemes.
Some fellow passengers giggled as seeing the back cabin containing cloth seats compared to the leather seats in most of the aircraft.
As it is one of the newer 757s, the cabin looked OK, but there is no inflight entertainment (videoscreens or soundplugs).
The weather was more clear, so I could see us taking off through the west, turning north. The deli bag contained another very good substantial sandwich, now with mozzarella, roasted mushrooms, tomato chutney and focaccia (I checked the sticker). Flight time was substantially shorter as Amsterdam is less slot constrained than Heathrow so we could fly straight in.
At landing it struck me the 757 makes an even longer impression when it's divided in three cabins, like BA. I wasn't the only one thinking this, as some other passengers who had to walk up front joked the rear was actually still in England and we had to walk through the aisle all the way to Amsterdam.

nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
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User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Great report!

Where did you book those sightseeing flights? I'd love to try that, if they do a few more before April...



User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

Really great and interesting trip report. How I would have liked to take seat aboard one of those BAC-1-11 farewell flights!

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4578 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Ndebele > I read your interesting HHN-BOH report (the same routing as my travel mate) and thought you'd be there for the 1-11 as well... Sorry you missed it, it was fun.
Ikarus > Saw the "cheap" (GBP 40) 1-11 flights in an ad by Aeroprints. I'm afraid they only organized 3 flights last saturday, but try to contact them, aeroprints@aol.com or http://members.aol.com/aeroprints/webpage.html.
The "expensive" farewell flights (GBP 100-130) are in the weekend of 30-31 March, try to reach Ian Allan tours, barbara.colley@ianallan.co.uk .
In general > Why only 3 stars?  Crying ? Please readers speak out if you missed something in my report. What else did you expect from 3 45 minutes flights. Otherwise I consider bad grades a bit mean  Angry

nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

It wasn't me - I gave you five stars. But this, on the other hand, would mean that some readers rated this topic with one star. I really don't know why, it's a well-written trip report about an unusual trip  Confused

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Hi Servaas,

was indeed interesting to read your flight report as I could learn now something about the other two sectors you flew  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

In fact my trip report HHN-BOH-HHN, both on Ryanair's 737-800 EI-CRS, would be similar to the one just recently posted by Ndebele, so I skip writing a report about that one. BTW, yesterday (20.03.) I flew from Hahn to Bergamo on Ryanair... out with EI-CRS again (this one seems to follow me!!), back with EI-CRQ. These flights only supported the enjoyable experience i had with them last weekend to BOH...

Just saw that airliners.net has accepted some of the pictures from the 1-11 farewell flight, so I will add them here to join your excellent report :

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Photo © Thomas Klein

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Photo © Thomas Klein

Looking forward to our next flight!


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Great trip report, you got 5 stars from me!! Big thumbs up

Ps: one question to Patroni: how was the load factor on the HHN-BGY??

User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

@Airblue :

HHN-BGY was appr. 80% booked, the return flight a little bit less I think. However there were many business-like looking people on board. I saw many people again on the evening flight which were already on board in the morning.
Behind us sat some smartasses (probably this kind of guys who always uses the major carriers and were just accidentally bumped on Ryanair) who were the whole flight joking about the flight... the aircraft which was "too old" (B737-800 EI-CSQ... really VEEERY old, I guess 4 months...) and the "bad" landing (it was a relatively smooth landing in heavy and gusty crosswind, well, certainly for a LH flight the weather would have been automatically better  Wink/being sarcastic)
HHN-BGY was 10min early, BGY-HHN 5 min late.

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Awesome report, a deserved 5 stars, I was with you every step of the way.

I agree with you about the ratings, my last trip report ended up with 4 stars even with (as far as i'm concerned) less interesting, less detailed trip reports about boring US domestic flights got 5.

Don't understand, anyway, great trip report, I really enjoyed reading it.

Its a real shame I've never got to fly on the 1-11, what a great shame, it will be missed!

Is the other pleasure flights all booked up?

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

An excellent report, 5 stars from me! I have never flown on the BAC 1-11 so that element is interesting. Sadly the opportunity for me to fly on them will never come, it seems.

One-Elevens were actually used in the Caribbean for 2 years back in the 1970s when regional airline LIAT came under the ownership of Court Line. Several 1-11s were flown in and used on the regional routes along with the turboprops (I do not know which routes though as this was before my time!). It would have been interesting, considering that the Pocket Rockets would have had to use some rather small runways in the islands back then. When Court Line collapsed in 1974 the planes left the region and LIAT was saved by investment from 11 island governments.

Again a great ode to the Pocket Rocket.


Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineHUS9746 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

MEA -707 Good report.

I've been on a 1-11 back in 1988. The route was MAN-CPH, enjoyed the flight ever so much. Such a pity that there'll be gone, I will miss them

By the way did you notice the fuel smell when sitting right next to the engine on take-off


User currently offlineILS.25L From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Sorry my PC was broken down otherwise, I would have met you. I was also on the BAC1-11 flight (the one from 13.00) and I was amazed about the low noise of the engines (my seat was 21F just next to the engines).
I flew in on BMI (737-500 - G-BVZI) from Brussels for the astonishing amount of 73£-return fare which was a promotion-ticket. Unfortunately the weather on Friday (landing 09L) was not good. Saturday was better and I was amazed about all the different kind of aircraft I saw at Bournemouth : I was able to photograph following aircrafts :
European 747 G-BDXJ and -E
Qatar 747SP VP-BAT
Republique Senegal 727 winglets 6V-AEF
European BAC 1-11 G-AZMF/AVMT
European A300 G-CEAA
Tyrolean F70 OE-LFG / Star Alliance-livery !
Aurigny Trislander G-LCOC
Palmair European 737-200 G-CEAC
I think this is certainly not bad for one day spotting at BOH.
On Sunday sky was scattered at LHR again but was able to make some pictures as landings were on 27R in the morning. On my return to the airport, I missed SAS 767 new colors and Olympic A340 (runway change). Upon my arrival at the airport, I went for the check-inn and got the request if I wanted to apply as a volunteer for another flight as the flight was overbooked. BMI offered a flight the next morning, hotel stay for 1 night and a 150 £ reward. I volunteered but was unlucky, no passengers were bumped off the flight.
Unlucky me !
Travelled back to BRU in the evening on BMI 737-500 but forgot to ask the registration.

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